sexing?

[SENSESFAIL]

Well im going to start sexing my plants so i can seperate the females and the males. And so i was wondering when i start the 12/12 will the plants still grow? or will they just stay at the same hight? and how long does it take for them to sex?

[The Grim Reefer]

The plants will definitely grow more, sometimes double the size. As far as showing the sex, that has to do with lighting, temperature, conditions and strain. I've heard anywhere from a week to 3 weeks! :stoned:

Any pics?

[SENSESFAIL]

yea, here is a few pix. i had to use a webcam tho so there not the best.

[DoctorFeelGood]

yea, here is a few pix. i had to use a webcam tho so there not the best.

What type of lights are you using?
DFG

[The Grim Reefer]

How old are they?

[SENSESFAIL]

Im using 2 40 watt flurecent tubes. and i have a small fan to keep the air flow going. And 1 of the plants is 4 weeks and the others are 3.

[SENSESFAIL]

The one that is 4 weeks i found outside growing at my friends house so i had to bring it home because it was so healthy and it is amazing to find it growing this time of year and how cold its been. and im using some homemade compost soil and i thru in 5 seeds in with that one and all 5 shot up and im wattering them with fresh white water from a creek.

[The Grim Reefer]

That's amazing, good job getting it home and keeping it alive!

If you can, get them in seperate pots, the main reason is marijuana roots tangle very easily.

They look like they're stretching pretty bad too, which is OK as long as you get some support so they don't fall over and break the stem when they get heavy with buds. :D

How tall are they? Is it possible to get more light on them?

[SENSESFAIL]

well the whole room is white and it gets plenty of light. and the ones that turn male im taking outside so they can grow and i can make hash. but im leavin the females where they are so its less moving around.

[9KtuFK]

If you put the male outside, you can fuck up everyone else's outdoor crop this summer ... Think about it and dont do it.

If I was your neigbour I'd fucking kill you :D

[SENSESFAIL]

nah lol, where i live the weed is transportted to my town. and the people who do grow, grow inside there house. but the only reason i would keep them alive is for the leaves. i would sell them or make has or if there good and potent just smoke them. But you are right tho because im going to grow outside when its season. so i will just cut off the balls lol.

[DoctorFeelGood]

nah lol, where i live the weed is transportted to my town. and the people who do grow, grow inside there house. but the only reason i would keep them alive is for the leaves. i would sell them or make has or if there good and potent just smoke them. But you are right tho because im going to grow outside when its season. so i will just cut off the balls lol.

If its from good strains the seeds can also be sold or traded.
Your plants look very weak you need to put the lights you have closer to them. You will also need to tie them up when you start them on 12/12 the wieght will break them before they start real good.
Also male pollen can go for miles and pollenate every female within range and pollen can stick to your hair, clothes etc and you can unknowingly track it back to your females. Male hash is worthless the only reason I would keep male plants is to maybe breed or mix with some strong females to make a bigger harvest of hash but not to make hash with just males. Male plants have little to no THC in them so your hash from straight male plants wont be worth dick just an fyi.
DFG

[SENSESFAIL]

Yea i have the plants held by a straw and there getting taller so if i lowerd it it would be to much for them. But i did have an idea of putting something that reflect light next to them so light and shin straight up the plant. what do you think?

Oh and the seeds are from some really good street bags.

[DoctorFeelGood]

Yea i have the plants held by a straw and there getting taller so if i lowerd it it would be to much for them. But i did have an idea of putting something that reflect light next to them so light and shin straight up the plant. what do you think?

Oh and the seeds are from some really good street bags.

Mylar gives the best results but kinda costly.
If you have the money buy a roll of mylar its worth the cash if you cant afford it then aluminum foil reflect paint or anything is better than nothing.
I am not trying to insult you just trying to help you.
Your lights need to be right on top of your plants(without burning them) you are already running to small of a light for the number of plants you have.
Think of light to plants as calcium to us.
Do you have a fan on them? A swivel fan adds to natural strength like wind simulation if you dont have one on em get one it will help.
With your setup you will produce very small yields and the buds prolly wont be to potent.
I would say you need 100 watts per plant to reep the benefits of your grow.
You would be alot better off if you keep the setup you have to only do a few plants at a time I do understand you wanting a bunch in case some go male which usually happens but if your light cant support your grows than getting all females wont do you any good.
What kinda ferts you using?
DFG


Edit: I just saw you said bag seeds. Get atleast a 400W HPS(400W MH and HPS recommended)and I will hook you up with some real seeds.

[SENSESFAIL]

Yea i have i fan on them. and i since i only have 6 plants, 3 or 4 will probably turn male and so i will get rid of them. and just have the females. and as far as nuts. im using some really good compost soil. and on top of that i have alittle bit of MG soil.

[DoctorFeelGood]

Yea i have i fan on them. and i since i only have 6 plants, 3 or 4 will probably turn male and so i will get rid of them. and just have the females. and as far as nuts. im using some really good compost soil. and on top of that i have alittle bit of MG soil.

The female to male ratio is usually better or it is for me with the seeds I buy I havent ever grown bag seed but I cant see them being different.
You can also help your plants decide on being male or female from the care and nuts you give them.
You should go ahead and put your plants on 12/12 light so you can sex them fast you need to get fewer plants for your light source.
Putting on 12/12 you should be able to tell in a weeks time maybe 2 weeks.
Plants wont show signs of male or female until they are on a 12/12 light cycle.
Get some nuts on them ferts are labeled #-#-# the order is N-P-K you need to get some N-P on them now this will help you alot just not to much or you will burn em up.
DFG

[SENSESFAIL]

Yea ive had the plants on 12/12 for about 3 days now. anf for the nuts. i have no way of getting ahold of them. so far the plants seem to be doing really good. and the biggiest one(the one i found outside) is startting to stink and the whole plant has a real nice green to it. thick stem 2. and the leafs are comming in great.

[The Grim Reefer]

Just remember to support them, you have some crazy stretching going on and it would be a bummer to come home to a broken stem because you didn't tie it to something.
If you can get us some better pics of an entire plant that would be most helpful.

<3

[SENSESFAIL]

This one is alittle better.

[DoctorFeelGood]

This one is alittle better.


For future referrence never grow more than 1 plant per pot the roots will tie up and some will be blocked and now they are prolly to hard to seperate without killing them. Males you will probably have to break off in the pot since I think it would be a bad idea to try to uproot them since they are probably connected at this point. Once mine break soil and are up for a few days I will post you some pics so you will get an idea of what a unstressed, unstrecthed plant should look like. But dont get discouraged for no funding you arent doing to bad.

TIP: (Using more will kill your plants if you use my advice then follow it closely) Piss/Urine is mainly nitrogen if no money a teaspoon of piss per 1 gallon of water will make a poor mans fert.(feed it this mixture once then do a reg water feeding then do the piss/water feeding again(repeat) I would do this for the next few mths)
DFG

[mrabrego]

If you dont have a pot to piss in, then piss on your pot?

[SENSESFAIL]

Well i checked on my plants today and now my biggiest one, the leaves are almost the full 5 blade.

And so about puttin piss in my water. will that make my weed taste like piss?

[DoctorFeelGood]

Well i checked on my plants today and now my biggiest one, the leaves are almost the full 5 blade.

And so about puttin piss in my water. will that make my weed taste like piss?

No it wont you will flush your plants 2-3weeks before harvesting to flush out any ferts, chemicals etc.
The piss is for nitrogen which is good for female cannabis and remember 1 teaspoon per 1gal of water any more than that and you risk damaging or killing your plants from to much nitrogen.
How old are you and why is buying ferts out of the question?
DFG

[SENSESFAIL]

Im 17, and the reason is because no cash.

[karmaxul]

Got any cow farms around you?

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[SENSESFAIL]

yea, i do

[SENSESFAIL]

Hey im going out of town for a day, and there is no way for me to control the light and dark. so would it hurt to just leave the light on and then turn it off for 12 hours when i get back?

[karmaxul]

grab some shit. it is hot meaning a high ph but look for some old dry patties and make a tea. I would use one cup for 5 gallons but thats just a guess.

It will not kill them but the dark light should be regimated. Timers are cheap at the local pharmicy. 6 bucks or so. the worst thing that will happen is you may get stress seeds if you continue to flower.

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[SENSESFAIL]

Hey everyone. I tried the whole piss thing and my plants are growing faster and really healty. I hat to leave the light on for 24 hours. but tonight im going back to 12/12.

[jamstigator]

Plants will certainly show signs of sex before 12/12 - preflowering. I just culled a male and am certain another is female, out of eight plants. The other six have calyxes, but not developed enough for me to determine their sex with certainty yet. I probably will know them all, one way or another, this week, and when I have culled all the ales THEN I will go to 12/12. Or maybe I'll keep vegging a bit longer while I clone the best of each type and make sure the clones are good (White Rhino and AK-48).

Here are some not-totally-reliable ways to determine sex:

1) Taller plants are often males
2) Males usually display their sex first, so an early calyx, likely male
3) If the calyx has a stalk, probably male

If you see a calyx develop into multiple banana-bunch looking pods, that's definitely a male. (This will happen regardless of photoperiod, 12/12 not needed.) If the calyx spews out some white strands, that's definitely a female. Use a 30x jewelers' loupe or something to look for calyxes. You can get a cheap microscope from Radio Shack, or a 30x loupe from ebay (that's what I got, works great).

If you don't want to wait for the calyxes to develop naturally to the extent that sex becomes obvious, you can take a cutting, plop the stalk in water, and expose it to 12 hours of light followed by 12 hours of darkness and it should flower and display sex definitively. This won't work unless the plants are mature enough to display sex though, and sex isn't determined until around the 3rd week of vegetative growth.

Final note: you desperately need more light for those plants. I mean, badly. I'm not saying you won't get anything from those plants - most likely, you will. But you really need more light. The plants aren't stretching because the lights are too far away; they're stretching because they're desperate for more light, period. And yes, they will grow significantly during the flowering phase.

[SENSESFAIL]

Yea about a week ago i lowerd the light. and now there not stretching anymore but growing fast and beautiful lol. when i checked on them today i about shit a brick on how much they have improved. My biggest one now is startting to sex, and it has a thick stem and stinks lol. But i have a new question. On the big plant there is like redish spots on the stems but not much. but what does this meen? is it normal? they dont stay long. but i dunno if its bad or what? I will try and post new pix tonight so you can see the progress.

Thanx for your help.

[SENSESFAIL]

Well im going to be transplantting my plants into different pots. And so whats the best way of doing this?

[jamstigator]

What are they in now? If styrofoam, what I do is get the new pot ready, with a hole in the middle to accept the plant+soil, spread some rooting powder around the edge of the hole, then use an exacto knife to slice down the side of the styrofoam cup which makes it easy to pull out the whole soil mass intact. Plop in hole, even out the dirt, add a bit of water, and you're set. Note: wait until the plant is dry before doing this, since the dried soil mass is much less apt to crumble.

If it's not a styrofoam cup, then what I do is let the pot get dry, prepare the new pot as above (hole, rooting powder), then use a butter knife to slice down the sides some (but not too far), then flip the pot upside down with one hand, while holding the stem between two fingers with the other hand, and see if the soil mass slides out. If not, I tap the bottom a few times and see if it comes free. If not, turn it back over, reapply butter knife a little deeper and repeat until it comes out. The deeper you have to cut, the greater the chance you'll damage some roots, but I still think it's better than just digging in with your fingers around the stem, because that pretty much always causes damage. If the plant is healthy, it'll recover either way, but I think the butter knife approach and tapping out the entire soil mass does the least overall damage.

I also personally only transplant twice. From styrofoam cup to 1/2 gallon square pot, to 4 gallon square pot. Sometimes I skip the 1/2 gallon pot too, but the plants do better if I don't skip that one. So I have never transplanted from any pot larger than a 1/2 gallon pot, so what you do if you want to transplant from a 3-gallon to a 5-gallon, well, can't help ya there, never done it. ;)

[SENSESFAIL]

well i got them all transplantted. But when i checked on them this morning my big one had a wilted leaf and so i cut it off. But it seems to be getting good light, im using a 150 watt bulb with a reflecter. Whats the best way to keep the plant from wiltting? Ive come to far for it to die lol, and this is the one that i fount outside.

Thanx.

[SENSESFAIL]

well everyone. my dad was in my room and he saw the lights on and so he told me to unlock that door or he was going to break it down lol, and he saw 6 marijuana plants and shit a brick. im in trouble tho, just got bitched at.

[jamstigator]

That's one reason I never tried to grow when living with parents. I grew up in a foster family, and man, they were strict. I came home on leave from the Army, and one of my foster brothers was growing pot in his room (which was my old room). I couldn't believe it. Well, his plants weren't nearly done, and he asked me for a little, so I gave him a quarter ounce. He got caught with it, and promptly told my foster parents that I gave it to him, which was totally unnecessary. They made me move out for the rest of my time on leave, so I stayed at a hotel (which wasn't bad, actually, although it was an expense I hadn't anticipated). But I was really pissed that he ratted me out, so I told my foster mother about his little grow. What goes around comes around.

Hope you don't get in too much trouble. Compared to having a kid with a drinking problem, I think a little pot is pretty benign, but they may not feel the same. ;(

[The Grim Reefer]

Is he going to make you tear them down?

It's a risk you take when you don't tell your parents. :/

Now they'll feel that trust has been broken.

[SENSESFAIL]

Yea, thats what they told be about the whole trust thing.

And yes my dad pulled them up and i started gettin a tear in my eye, i was excited about growing my bud. But one thing that was funny was that when he was holding them in his hand, my dog was just sittin the looking at them, and then he just jumps up and grabs him a mouth full lol. And right in front of my rants i was like did you injoy that boy, i wish i could have lol.

But o well, summer is comming and i will just start more outside somewhere. Im just thinkful they didnt call the law because i had 6 plants so i would be in some shit.

[karmaxul]

He was just jeolous man dont stress it.

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