Psychotropics/ball tripping stuff

[Swizzy89304]

Ive just read a thread on here about DMT, and it got me interested, as I am extremely interested in psychotropics and what you can gain from them.
So I went over to Erowid, and looked up DMT.
(From Erowid)
The Experience
To quote Terence McKenna, "The feeling of doing DMT is as though one had been struck by noetic lightning. The ordinary world is almost instantaneously replaced, not only with a hallucination, but a hallucination whose alien character is its utter alienness. Nothing in this world can prepare one for the impressions that fill your mind when you enter the DMT sensorium."
The smoked DMT experience is short, but generally incredibly intense. Onset is fast and furious, sometimes compared to being launched from a cannon. It is a fully engaging and enveloping experience of visions and visuals which varies greatly from one individual to the next. Users report visiting other worlds, talking with alien entities, profound changes in ontological perspective, fanciful dreamscapes, frightening and overwhelming forces, complete shifts in perception and identity followed by an abrupt return to baseline. Because of the nature and intensity of the experience, users are almost always seated or lying down with someone nearby to take the pipe as the experience begins. Intense and varied visuals are common.

Read it again.
Whose alien character is its utter alienness.
...visiting other worlds, talking with alien entities, profound changes in ontological perspective, fanciful dreamscapes, frightening and overwhelming forces, complete shifts in perception and identity followed by an abrupt return to baseline.

When we injest mushrooms, cacti, ibogaine, mescaline etc... could we actually be conversing with our 'Gods' that are actually alien beings from another planet? Could it be that the reason the government wants to ban these substances is because they put us in contact with our creator(s), and they want to create their own religion? Or, as I believe, stop the alien religion from infesting our planet and letting us know the truth? Just think about it... what do we know about the religion of the Aztecs and ancient Egyptians? Are there not hieroglyphics that look as if theyre depicting what we call UFO's? And these tribes often took psychotropics as part of rituals, believing that they put them in contact with their creators or some higher being?
I believe that all mainstream religions that exist nowadays are completely fabricated, or at least altered in some way.
Ask yourself this - does the Bible actually make any freakin sense? NO! Because it has been altered and most of it has been deleted. I dont know about any other religious texts (not gonna try and spell them cos if I do it wrong, I might be offending some people here) that make sense either.
Sorry about the long post, I bet most of you didnt read it all! :p

Feel free to criticise and add your own comments/points of view.

[friendowl]

hit some salvia 20 x
like a big ass toke and hold
uuuggghhhh

[insanity]

I can not think of one psych. that was aviable in ancient egypt, and the heiroglyphs all represented common objects in Egypt and they put them together in such a way that it would be hard to misinterpert them. Aztec religion centers around the Sun and focuses a lot on time and the destructive element of nature. It was not an optimistic religion or anything like that, infact people were often sacraficed out of fear.
The Bible makes perfect sense btw. The Old Testament reads like the history of the Hebrew people and the New Testmanet represents an evolution in God and the parables of Jesus. If you want to understand most western civilization literature, you're going to have to understand The Bible and Biblical allusions.

The reason the government has outlawed recreational drugs is because they are in fact harmful to society. It is not the drugs themselves even, its human nature, because people will always use and abuse. Another problem is drugs usually inspire thought that is outside the box, which in any large country is a threat to the government.

[CocaCola]

I can not think of one psych. that was aviable in ancient egypt, and the heiroglyphs all represented common objects in Egypt and they put them together in such a way that it would be hard to misinterpert them. Aztec religion centers around the Sun and focuses a lot on time and the destructive element of nature. It was not an optimistic religion or anything like that, infact people were often sacraficed out of fear.
The Bible makes perfect sense btw. The Old Testament reads like the history of the Hebrew people and the New Testmanet represents an evolution in God and the parables of Jesus. If you want to understand most western civilization literature, you're going to have to understand The Bible and Biblical allusions.

Alot of people don't understand how to spot these allusions and they take the Bible completely in the literal sense. People are stupid.


The reason the government has outlawed recreational drugs is because they are in fact harmful to society. It is not the drugs themselves even, its human nature, because people will always use and abuse. Another problem is drugs usually inspire thought that is outside the box, which in any large country is a threat to the government.

I think it's the latter... Mushrooms and DMT aren't dangerous.

[acrca]

you are a tripper. we cannot communicate with gods by putting chemicals into our body. the drug fucks with your mind, and makes you see shit thats not there

[UnViaje]

I hear ya swizzy, I'll say off the bat nobody really knows, not anyone's petty religion or brainwashing government. Back, I think 3 years ago when I first did salvia extract, my universal perspective enhanced along with 'feeling' nature, something like the belief that plants have spirits. You are right about the heiroglyphics, there is such a character that resembles a ufo exactly when depicted from a sideview and has no determined meaning. Most religions carry some tale of a light or flying ship in the sky, like Ezekiel's Wheel for example. Shit, doesnt even have to be a religion, everywhere around the world theres such accounts, even Columbus before he reached shore recorded in his journal that lights danced in the sky and descended into the ocean, staying visible for some time as if toying with the crew. When I had tripped out from hitting 1/2 gram of 20x salvia extract, I did see/communicate with entities having elf-like features in a glowing enviroment somewhat similar to our own, I also felt a uniquely alien vibe in the state I was in, plus a naturally seeming urge to converse with my surroundings, though the laughing made it impossble. What was concrete, was the sensation I had afterwords, bliss added with more transcending of the mind. Its easy to claim it nothing but a chemical reaction, but like I said no one really knows, you could be right man. fukk everyone's religion too, peace.

[Its a Plant]

It is not the drugs themselves even, its human nature, because people will always use and abuse.

That's a good point. I'm glad somebody brought that up.


Furthermore, I don't think psychotropics make anyone able to contact God, but the experience one has creates that vivid and wonderful a sensation that it only seems that way. Those facts were pretty interesting. Actually, very interesting.

Smoking something that shoots me "out" like I'm a cannon sounds so damn good. I need to find me some of that shit around here. I'm sure it's here, I just gotta ask.

[UnViaje]

It is not the drugs themselves even, its human nature, because people will always use and abuse.
no shit human nature is somewhat retarded, but psychotropics as the ones swizzy suggested [not heroin or meth] are not gonna fuck you up as bad as alcohol or cigarettes, which are more harmful but kept legal by our government for monetary reasons.

[CocaCola]

Salvia, DMT, Ibogaine, Ketamine - people report entity sightings and interactions with all of these substances, maybe on a lower level (or higher level, depending on your view of how metaphysics work), but it's still there and people are communicating with them. Though, I believe that any true Gods that there could be would be found inside the mind and not in some other mystic land... And I believe that is what those people communicate with... the lowest (with my understanding of this concept) form of your consciousness. You're linking with the inner depths of your being and perception, especially with DMT and Mushrooms to a lower extent, although with Mushrooms and Acid and certain sacred Cacti people don't usually have sightings but it brings them to that level so they can almost feel it. With Mescaline and Psilocybin it almost feels like another being sneaks in as Serotonin and makes a home in you for awhile... Mescalito can show some awesome shit and have you understand without any problem but usually Psilocybe dude is like a strict teacher forcing you to pay attention, breaking you down and making go through all this self-analyzis shit, telling you that you're not all you're cracked up to be so stop acting like it. A harsh teacher it is...

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