Indoor Growers @CDot "Veggie Society Forum"...Hosted,

[latewood]

Hey Folks,:) I cuased a little stir on one of my Cloning threads, so I thought I would try and start a perpetual Indoor Veggie Grower's forum, so that all here that are interested could share and learn valuable indoor 'Growing Tips':thumbsup: for Veggie's

I will go 1st with a couple pix of my 'Rookie attempt at Bell Peppers and Cherry Tomato's...:p the mata's are under 600w's cfl's and 400 watt sunmaster warm deluxe metal halide...the peppers are under a 250w hps
I am using Pure blend pro, Liquid Karma (B catalyst), Calmag+, Sweet (carbs).
Superthrive. PH'd ROwater Nutes, Full Strength in DWC


Everyone is welcome! Please limit your posts and pix to veggies only; I hope that if anyone feels the need to criticize anyone else's method or opinion's here; Please do so, in an appropriate manner. I hope we can all enjoy this Forum for a long time. ;) latewood:smokin:

So come on in and become a bonafide member of the..................................
.....................Indoor Growers @CDot "Veggie Society Forum"

[latewood]

WOW...I can't believe no-one wants to share in this forum...

[Gen]

Late, I had a problem with getting onto this forum. Seems we're getting alot of traffic with overgrow being gone. I'm interested. Could you take a picture of your 400 w cfls'? What variety of tomato are you growing? Since my lettuce is only green leaves, I'm keeping them under fluoros. They seem to like it better, than the sun they were getting, weird. Buttercrunch gave nice small heads of lettuce and delicious. Like the taste of miner's lettuce, if you know what I mean. Very tender and no bitterness what so ever. Much better than the stuff at the grocery store.

[Gen]

So you're growing in dwc? Could you take some pictures of your pots.

[elcheapo]

Pics - One of my plants in the early stages of flowering and also a little sample from my harvest.
Unfortunately it was an outdoor, 100% organic soil grow.
Not next season though!

Plant : Chilli
Strain : Long Red Cayenne

[busteruk7]

im trying to grow some red bell peppers in soil and they dont seem to be doing too badly ill post some pics later they are still in the vegative stage
and they need to be transplanted into a bigger pot too
cheers all :)

[latewood]

thanks everyone...this would be a great thread if we all contribute anything about growing veggie's...It's for fun...Not to mention that, we all will need this knowledge if Bush and the cronies keep up their chitman...lw

I have peppers fattening up now, let tomato's go, because I ran out of money and pure blend pro at the same time.

I will post a pik of what I have later. lw

[latewood]

nice batch of peppers

[9ski9]

We have little indoor growing spots all around our house. Our entire property is under a canopy of old growth trees---not to mention the deer---so anything but ferns have to be grown indoors.

Here's a strawberry plant that loved the bat guano, but is now starting on the Miracle Grow stakes that I mistakenly bought a long time ago. Strawberries are cool to grow because of the runners they send out...

[Garden Knowm]

ummmmm...

can you smoke those peppers?

???

iloveyou

[elcheapo]

ummmmm...

can you smoke those peppers?

???

iloveyou

LOL No! Although smoke does come out your ears when you eat them.

[busteruk7]

LOL No! Although smoke does come out your ears when you eat them.
what they are that hot
cheers all :)

[sabre71]

nice peepas smoking them will hurt i bet lol

[Zandor]

Great idea Latewood keep it up please.

[latewood]

I just posted this and got surver busy notice and it wiped out the whole post....SUCKS....Now, I have to start over...

I was in a much better space when I started this task!!!:(

Just reattached. Thanks for the vote of confidence Z...and thanks to all who has posted here, So far, lw:)

I am glad to see that there is a growing interest in this thread...I hope we can keep it off the ground.

I find this subject extremely important in attempting to leave a smaller footprint on the earth...Join in, no-one will think you're a Wuss...thanks to all who participate.

[Garden Knowm]

I just posted this and got surver busy notice and it wiped out the whole post....SUCKS....Now, I have to start over...

I was in a much better space when I started this task!!!:(

who participate.


I feel for ya.. probably has happened to all of us many times.. very very frustrating..

love

[Jdog7000]

Yep, quite often.
I don't grow anything other then cannabis. lol
Maybe after I move.I'll start a garden if I have time.

[Garden Knowm]

don't let bugs from your outdoor veggie garden hitch a ride on your clothes into your indoor gold mine.

[latewood]

very good advice, GK.

also, keep your pet's out of your grow room...if your cat get's in your grow-room, go in there and scream like a banshee...they won't come back. Now I am not saying to hurt kitty's or to scream 'at' the cat...Just scream like a banshee...I did this last year and the cats have not been in my room since. lw LOL hehhehhhehhehehehhhh

[the image reaper]

I have been buying seeds from these folks for awhile now www.tomatogrowers.com ... they specialize in exotic tomatoes, peppers, etc ... they have some incredible varieties ... Im doing some "Sugar Snack Hybrid" cherry tomatoes, as well as bi-colored Hillbilly heirloom tomatoes, and some bell peppers,etc ... seeds are CHEAP ... 30 seeds for under $2, etc ... :thumbsup:

[latewood]

thanks bro, another great place to pick up cheap seeds is walmart at the end of the season...I bought about 40 varieties @ $.05-.10 per pak last year

[bongerstonerd00d]

Kewl thread, I'll be dropping by frequently. I also have an interest in growing 2 or so tomato plants, and a few pepers in my grow room. I always wondered if it was a problem with having the other "crop" in there. Guess not, I ass-u-me same princples apply. Germ, veg, flower, harvest. Can you take clones from veg plants as well ? This will kick ass being able to have a 'mater sammich in December with a REAL fuggin tomato. I do not know what the hell those things are the markets sell during the winter. Red colored somethings I think they should call them.


b0nger

[Powder Puff]

Nice tomato plant man!:)

I got pissed at my tomato plant and threw it out of the grow room.. Now it's in the living room and it's still growing.. I've spotted three tomatos!:p:)

[latewood]

with tomato's/pepper's...you run 18/6 they flower/fruit on their own schedule...as long as you don't pinch off growing tip, they keep vining out...you can layer them 30' or pich the top off when they are 3' and they will produce.

Pepper's doin better...

just bought 300 pots off ebay so I can start a few different types of peppers...

glad to see ya, here lw

[bongerstonerd00d]

I can just keep tomato's and peppers in my veg cab on the 18/6 then. It will be going all the time anyways since I will be taking clones from the "girls" after the first batch has been established. Need to get my timing so I got about 3 foot tall girls all done vegging and ready to go into flower as soon as the harvest.

l8er on,
b0nger

[latewood]

Wow, I hope you have alot of room...1st grow back in the day, I flowered 3-4 foot plants and it was a nightmare jungle...Now I flower at 12-18", except mothers. goodluck

[Legalizdahurb]

I had a tomatoe plant in with my first grow and i ended up getting 2 harvests out of the 1 plant, I have now moved the plant outside just to see if i get a 3rd crop. I also have strawberries and pepers growing, i will post some pics @ a later date.

[latewood]

cool. I have abunch of beans and radishes, as well as corn tomato's, peppers, squash and the'ol lady plant some pumpkins....I am just waiting for them to grow a little more. I dumped some used nutes into the outdoor garden the other day, ti seemed to juice them a bit.

[Ripple420]

I did some indoor veggies back in the day. Heres a trick. Flower on 12 12 ish then when the veggies start to form put them under 24 hour light. Your veggies will continue to grow and be done twice as fast. I did it with three varieties of peppers

[Powder Puff]

I was planning on having the tomato plant in the room with the cannabis plants, and then when finished, make a nice salad with the tomatos and eat it on the first blaze!!:D

But now, I don't believe I will have enough tomatos to make enough salad..:o

[latewood]

growing thriving tomato's in hydro is not as easy as it sems it would be. lol, lw

[latewood]

I picked a couple orange Bell peppers today, here is what I got, and a look at my "pepper menagerie".:D

I was going to cull this plant from the forest, but I thought about it and..ding ding ding...Hey, I have been wanting to know If I can grow this tub of peppers, outside:confused:...So,
I am planning on putting this outside in a shade box of sorts and see if I can use the Sun to grow this plant.:thumbsup:

enjoys pix

lw

[latewood]

Look what I found this am.:p Not to mention, I caught the plant at the perfect time to show pix of regeneration.:thumbsup:

1st pik...Here is a good pik of buds, and a flower that should grow into a pepper...

2,3. This what a fresh little fruit looks like coming out of the flower...and...side angle, please. Thank You.

lw

[Legalizdahurb]

Looks very nice Lw. Good luck with trying them outside.

[Aaron385]

Ok Lw I am growing peppers that look like yours but I was wondering if you need to polinate the flowers to get the bell peppers to grow??

[latewood]

great question and the answer is yes...I recommend you buy a book called hydroponic solutions by growing edge (check out mags post#7 above)(it has Q nad A style format and is quite an easy read...it's just like they took Q and A off the veggie forums at growing edge or something like that...and, there is also an indoor bible for veggies...both available at hydro shops, and amazon, I suppose.

although I will always be glad to help if I can.

you have to shake them a little whenever they flower...to help them along. Outside the bugs would take care of it. you can go to the hydro store and buy some ladybugs too!It took me awhile to get some decent peppers to grow. I going to be growing them in drip buckets/hydro and some in soil, since I seem to have the gift...
did that answer your question?

lw

[Legalizdahurb]

I just use a small modeling paint brush so move the polen from 1 flower to another, well it worked for my tomatoes and lowriders.

[mobay]

CONGRATULATIONS LATEWOOD :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[latewood]

thanks lealized herb for the tip...

alright, Mobay...thanks. I guess I will have to behave now...lol

[Aaron385]

ok I will try the paint brush thing.. I am trying to do this without books but I am reading as much as I can.. (I looked at a few books in the store and they all said different things.. and I can figure most of it out.. might buy one later).

Thanks for that..

And if I can add to it, is there any specific plant to plant polination skeem? Like are there male and female or.. man I must sound stupid.. Can you use different flowers from the same plant? I have spent too much time reading about MJ cultivation.. haha.. I should buy the book! :(

I have two bell pepper plants about to open flowers all over the place.

-Aaron

[Aaron385]

Also, I mixed new chems yesterday to 1100ppm (top of the band) and today I read the PPMs while testing ph and got 850ppm.. Did the plants get hungry?? I have two medium sized bell pepper plants in the hydrofarm bubbler (3 gal tank).

[latewood]

that's got to be a good sign the plants wanted nutrients. If they are thirsty and uptake water your ppm's would rise. They were hungry and took up nutes...I would say you had good photosynthesis...

Now are you sure about your readings? Check another batch when you are ready and see if you get the same PPM reading. How many gallons in rez?
what nutes are you using?
how much did your water level drop?

ps...If you are using pure blend pro (a pre-mixed 1 part)
then you can add...
before I answer this...I need to know A's to Q's
lw

[Aaron385]

3 gal res,

http://www.supernaturalbrand.com/ nutes (the aqua grow) plus dyna grow bloom and a drop of superthrive, and they are about to get a pinch of epsom salt.

Water level seems to drop steady a couple of cups a day.. though i think its mostly evaporation.

[Aaron385]

todays ppms - 810

oh and i have some translucent critters showing up on the leaves.. look like 1/4 the size of a grain of rice.. they will probably develope into something i can identify soon.. i just keep spraying them off it when I see them. . any suggestions?

[latewood]

put out plate of soapy water...need piks, to identify.

[Aaron385]

best i have is a 640 by 480 web cam at the moment and they will be one pixel at best.. but what about the PPMs?? should i adjust back to 1000 with nutes? The plants are growing off the hook.. have to move the two cfls twice a day now! GO HYDROPONICS!!

[stinkyattic]

This is a great topic.

Over the winter I started like 12 varieties of hot peppers in my growroom for spring planting outdoors. They were under 24h. MH light. They grew VERY fast and flowered...since I had a LOVELY greenhouse whitefly problem, guess what, they got pollinated and began to fruit.
When it was warm enough to plant I hardened them off and put them outside but I think they liked it better indoors!

Nice peppers. They are making me want nachos and beer, both in large quantity.

[latewood]

glad you are enjoying yourself stinkyattic

aaron, Yes mix a gallon and pour it in until you reach your desired PPM's, but
I see your problem now...you are in a 3 Gallon, right...Too Small...In order to get a good balance, you need to get at least a 10 gallon rez...peace lw

[Aaron385]

10 gallon res for 2 bell pepper plants?? Why so much?

[latewood]

10 gallon res for 2 bell pepper plants?? Why so much?ph balance is more consistant, and 3 g rez does not provide enough nutrtion for the plants after a couple of days...

[latewood]

jalapeno, gypsy, banana...I've got about 100 tomato's outside ...it seems like a 100 anyway!:D

we have been eating string beans and peas and squash from the garden for 2-3 weeks now...

[Aaron385]

hmm.. its a 3.5 gal bucket in a 5 gal bucket with the GH plumbing kit to bubble up and drip the water.. I cant think of an easy way to increase that capacity.. just not make the same mistake next time.. Till then I am changing nutes every few days to compensate.

[seattle420]

I dont grow any veggies in my grow room.
too much chance of plant diseases or bugs spreading to my ganja plants

I do use some of the same practices that I have learned from my ganja plants on my outdoor veggie garden.

[latewood]

[QUOTE=seattle420]I dont grow any veggies in my grow room.
too much chance of plant diseases or bugs spreading to my ganja plants

I do use some of the same practices that I have learned from my ganja plants on my outdoor veggie garden.[/QUOTE If you grow veggies in your growroom under the same sterile conditions as your other plants, you wouldn't have any bug problems with the veggies either! That is a falsehood...After all veggies don't produce bugs/disease;
Careless growing does.

I start from seed for all my veggies, and haven't had more than the occasional little flying pest, here and there, and that happens to all, unless you create an airlock. LOL

If you choose to protect yourself by those means, I applaud you, but seperation is not necessary, if you have a nice room to house both. peace

[latewood]

Also, this is a veggie thread...We are not talking about a Ganja Flowering Room! Stay on topic in this forum; Please!
latewood

[Aaron385]

Well I set the hydro rig outside and now have a ton of aphids destroying the plant.. whenever it opens a new bloom to produce a bell pepper the aphids eat it off.. and the bloom falls down in the hydroton (yes i pick it back up and dont leave it there).. I wash the plants off at least twice a day.. i have used poision and passive treatments.. the poison worked but i had to stop using it since the plants are making fruit (trying to anyways) and now everyday thousands (and i mean thousands) of aphids are covering it.. I kill them all.. next day.. thousands more.. and the plants havent been outside in weeks! this is all happening in my spare bathroom and i spray for bugs religiously here.. there is not a bug in any other room of the house!

What do I do?? I want bell peppers darn it!

[latewood]

Well if famine hits your region...I'm headin' for the Hills.

Bro, I cannot give you a clear cut answer to that, I recommend...Killing everything, and washing out system, treating entire room, and starting again. You might still be able to pick up pepper seedlings at the market. sorry

list your treatments for all to reference and we will see if I can research a comparison for ya. I am going to look into it for you, I have put in a message to My veggie Guru...OK

[seattle420]

some plants from the nursery might have a disease.

this area has been hit recently by nurseries selling contaminated compost.

[Aaron385]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will not give up!! I will kill these bitches with RAID right on the plant before I cut the plants down!!

I will kill them even if it means I cant eat the bell peppers.. just because Im a vengeful bastard.

But I hope it doesnt come to that.. I got some stuff from supernatural that the guy at my indoor garden center swears by (it is the wetness you see on the plants). He swears in 48 hrs I wont have an aphid problem.

If I do have to "sterilize" these bastards into non existance I will do it with lighterfluid and a match on my back porch.

I HATE APHIDS!!!!

Thanks for the help guys.. and here is the pain I have to watch every day...

[latewood]

looks like pepper plants...goodluck, bro

[Aaron385]

thanks.. i hope it works.. they are bell peppers

[Aaron385]

I drenched the plants with some wallly world stuff and no new bugs today.. keeping fingers crossed!!!

[latewood]

jalopeno's, a nice gypsy pepper, and some orange bells...
these orange bells are the sweetest tasting peppers I have ever had.

Pure blend pro, calmag+, using rowater. In DWC.

All future peppers are going to be grown with the drip method and/or soil pots...On with the experiment... peace:thumbsup:

p.s. We haven't bought veggies in a month:D

[Aaron385]

nice harvest..

I havent seen any real relapse of the aphid problem since the wally world spray down (which i thought would be least likely to work)..

I put my bell pepper plants back into veg cycle because so much of the growth was destroyed.. hope they recover and give maximum yield.

[latewood]

there is no veg/bloom photoperiod for tomato's...stay at 18/6

[Aaron385]

Nice.. the things i dont know.. haha..

Anyways, still no aphids! Got these pants back into veg.. all the buds fell off and they are growing at least an inch a day. SWEET

Take a look!

[latewood]

Nice job...Now keep a circulating fan blowing around them so the pollen can move around...If you 'brush' the pollen, remember to be real gentile...You don't want to knock the flowers off...get some ladybugs...their neat!

also, It is about time for you to build a tub to/from rez, recirculating drip...Then you can start 2 plants in a 10 gallon $4 sterlite tub, addatub=4plants/addatub=6plants. then you can have more than one plant to make sure you get some yield. Having 4-6 veggie/pepper plants will teach you so much more in a much shorter period of time. Having just one make your hands on resource one dimensional...

Follow me?

For instance, you could have 2 Bpepper plants in (1)tub, 2 Romatomato in (2)tub, and 2 J'peno in (3)tub...You can see whether or not or which plants thrive under your nutrient regimen...If 2 strains don't thrive or just flounder...Pull 'them and Put in a different Strain of pepper or cucumber. See what I mean.
later.peace:thumbsup:

[Aaron385]

I see EXACTLY.. There are actually two bell peppers in that pic.. it was three but one of the three just didnt make the cut.

Im on GH flora 3 part nutes with diamond nectar and DAMN that made a nice difference.. if I could give any newbie a tip on nutes its go with the tried and true.. Ive been thru 4 diff sets of nutes before i finally broke down and shelled out the change for the flora nutes.. should have got them up front.

I actually am working on getting a drip system free from its present commitment to get some more veggies in.. Ive got corn, onions and some other things germinating in rockwool now.. courtesy of a coverup story for my e-b-a-y acct.

will post pics here when i get it setup.. which has to be soon since a few have already germinated.. speeking of which.. I have to get back to work!

[L3G10N]

Lw, i have a question. This may not be veggie related and its not Mj related either but i figured since it involves tomoto plants i'll post here. I keep having a problem with plants i grow. Everytime i plant somthing, it ends up with purple stem. Could miracle gro potting soil be causing this? I planted a couple tomato seeds and a sunflower plant in some pots and they all have purple stems and they dont seem to be doing too good in general. Leaves are starting to yellow as well. I do plan on growing some Mj in the near future and i really dont want this to happen. Currently i have two types of soil, miracle gro potting mix that feeds for 3 months and miracle gro organic potting mix. I know not to use the nuted miracle gro for MJ but how about the organic? Hear anything good about it? You recommend any soil that can be bought at a local garden center like lowes, hdepot, walmart? If this is not the proper forum for this, i apologize and please move it... thanks. :)

[latewood]

that's Ok my friend...I use 1.99 sterile potting soil (hyponex) from the dollar store. No nutes, then I add...
Lava rocos 1" deep in bottom of pot...
to the soil I add 25-35% perlite...and 10-15% peat moss.

I spent 8 bucks for 4-20lb. bags the other day...
I am in the middle of growing some plants with Black Velvet potting soil...It is Black Cow compost potting soil...without nutes, but Organic...Added 40% perlite to that...it was real moist, almost too moist...but my 1st time using Organic

I would try the organic mix, but watch the nutes...the organic mix will have it's own Natural beneficial elements...
maybe 50% nutes until they start to get big...

red/purple stems is the sign of nitrogen deficiency...Sounds like your nutes are not doing the job, or you might be underfeeding them...get back to me about what you have been using. peace

[L3G10N]

The only thing i tried using was alaskan fish emulsions, maybe i didnt use enough... i put 1 tbl spoon in a gallon of distilled water and watered the pots untill they started leaking from the holes. I had bought a bag of hyponex before (potting soil) Is the on you got potting or top soil? Im still in the process of getting all the things i need to start a small personal MJ grow. I have..

1: Different size pots.
2:Bag of perilite
3:Organic Potting Soil.
4:Superthrive
5:Fish emulsions 5-1-1
6:Moisture meter
7:Lots of CFL and tube floros for vegging (will use hps to flower)
8:shultz takeroot (if i decide to do clones.)

Is there anything else you can add to this list? My newbie checklist :D

[latewood]

Ok... Not a bad idea, but the fish emulsion's are an additive, and that is your problem. No nutes.

Save your self some time and trouble...If you want to grow simple with proven chemicals and additives then buy...GH 3-part.

If you would rather stay on the organic side, then I would recommend (strongly) botanicare Pure Blend Pro (It comes in soil and hydro formulas)...Buy a gallon for under 30 bucks, and that will last awhile. At least long enough for you to find your niche as far as veggies go...That is what I use, and you cannot beat PBP for veggies...My fruit taste great! 1st time, 2nd time, and on and on!

And you don't change photoperiods in bloom for tomato's, peppers, cucmber's etc...Let me know what you are up to.
peace

[L3G10N]

Well, the only reason i got organic stuff was because i keep reading that its hard to burn plants with organic stuff so i went that route :p. I didnt know that the fish fets were just an additive, if i would have known i would have saved my money for somthing else. I had already planned to get GH 3 part but just dont have the dough right now. No im not a youngen who lives with mom and dad... im just a regular hard workin joe that has a family and bills :D. I did find a hydro shop, but its 64 miles away. I'll probably take a trip there when i get the money to do so. There prices per gallon are

Flora micro gal. $32.98
Flora grow gal. $24.98
Flora bloom gallon $24.95

You familiar with a product line called Earth Juice? There is another hydro shop like 54 miles away and seems thats the brand they have the most of.
http://www.laughingbuddhanursery.com/lbn1/Hydroponics/h_nutrients.asp

Here are a few snaps of the tomato plants and sunfower plant. I will probably ditch the sunflower pnat because somthing was eating its leaves whenit was outside the other day. ne last thing, no that is not my grow room, its not setup yet. i have tons of reflective material to hang.

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[latewood]

forget the 3-part...since, you appear serious about veggies, I will stick with you bro...Get a liter/quart 17.95of pure blend pro grow, and a Gallon (27.95)of pure blend pro bloom/flower formula both for soil. that will cost 1/2 of what the 3-part cost...you don't ever need to buy a gallon of grow. It will lose it's shelf life before you use it.

the pure blend is organic, so you will be back on track.

Big tidbit of info:::Organic ferts can burn your plants as fast or faster than chem nutes...now growing in soil, takes longer for problems to develop, But if you are growing veggies. I use only Pure blend pro... peace
BGHydro.com is a safe and excellent choice for ordering online...In fact: I get them to send gallons for $2-3 bucks cheaper than if I bought it at the local store. peaceII

[L3G10N]

Thanks for all your help Lw. Would pure blend pro be good to use on MJ too? Actually i have two seeds that are germing at this moment. These are some bagseeds to practice with before i ever fork over money to buy good seeds. I just hope to get more great information from you on that area as well, thanks again. :thumbsup:

[latewood]

Yes, I have success using it on my soil plants...In fact...you can use 1/4-1/2 strength for veg...full strength is around 2.2EC which equates to around 1100ppm by hanna conversion scale, then in bloom you use 1/2-3/4, or even full strength, depending on what you find works for You...that also saves You a bit of money.

You may find that You like chem nutes better later, but to start with, Pure Blend Pro will grow healthy plants for You. peace...Read up some more on your fishferts/additives, because they might come in handy. find out what the npk ratio is

[L3G10N]

Lw, in all of your grow logs, you say you use Ph'd RO water. I know what RO water is and i know that the PH range for MJ in soil is between 6.3 and 6.8 right? Well i dont ever recall you saying what you PH your water to. Do you ph it neutral or lower?

[latewood]

you are right on...6.3-6.8 in soil...5.4-5.9 for hydro.

I also add pulverized dolomitic lime to my soil mix to buffer the ph...peace...$2.99 a bag a wlaly's

[L3G10N]

hey Lw, is it ok to put water with superthive in it on seeds and sprouts? Im asking because i have two MJ sprouts that just popped out of the dirt and i need to moisten the soil, lights dried the top layer of soil. Would there be any benefit to the superthrive?

[latewood]

I have used superthrive 1/4 tsp per gallon, and spritz the soil 2-3 times a day

[Aaron385]

Finally got the DWC/drip setup.. 3 tomatoes, 1 bell pepper, and 2 broccoli growin now.. with the other bells in the bubbler drip next to um.. now if they will just throw me some veggies!

[latewood]

that is cool...I love it, someone with a dedicated hydro veggie garden...Now, I hate to be a nay-sayer, but I must advise you of my experience with different plants in the same tubs.

different roots getting all tangled up can create a couple problems. 1st... you are stuck with all the plants, even if they don't produce...unless you chop them off and leave roots in rez...a big pain...And I hate saying all this to ya' 'cause I know how excited you are...been there done that. 2nd... your plants might not be able to uptake enough food to produce good yield, due to root competition between all the different plants.

***You notice above; I did not say, "strains of veggies", although that is also a concern...having more than 1 strain per tub is not advisable***

Perhaps using drip, you might not have a problem. I am looking forward to see what you accomplish, we can all learn from your efforts, Thanks, latewood

[Aaron385]

I do understand.. I am starting these tomatoes in the drip and will move to DWC in the 2.5 gal water jug setup.. i think you did the post on those.. i have some onions sprouting now too but i have learned that plants like onions and garlic do terrible in rockwool because of too much moisture.. when they get big enough i am going to pull them and try and grow them in hydroton pellets alone.

I have 4ft floros to set up too that will cover everything and I may grow more uniform stuff in a bit but there are still aphids here and there on that one setup and im waiting to make sure ive got that under control.

I have all the best nutes and additives left over from my other grow.. if you notice on the pics that tub is actually the one I was using in my other grow.. which had to be canceled due my dumbass roomate getting drunk and telling the whole world.. he now owes me alot of money which im sure I will never see again.

Maybe in a year or two when everyone I meet doesnt know me as "the guy that grows..." thanks to that loud mouth mother f...

Heres a tip for all to enjoy.. if you have a roomate or friend that cannot be avoided from knowing about your operation.. make them financially involved in it big time.. make them order your hydro gear and put solid money in the deal.. like hundreds of dollars! otherwise they have nothing to lose by telling everyone and since they want to sound cool and are too dumb to do anything cool on their own.. you get burned.

peace ppl! hope you will still have me here even tho im not cool enough to grow the real cash crop!

[latewood]

you got good ideas, and I think it'll work...I even thought of trying to use those 2.5 gallon containers like beige hydro buckets. filled with perlite on drip...it would take some tweaking, but you could open the drain, and the way jug is shaped...you would have a night-time rez in the bottom...

I might try it with a couple peppers plants...keep it up, peace latewood

[L3G10N]

Hey, my tomato plants dont look so good. Could this be too much water or somthing? Leaves are curling upwards. They are nice green but the curling issue has me worried. Also, look at the leaves on this sunflower plant... ever see anything like this? Its only the lower leaves. As you can see, the top new growths on the plant look fine.

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[latewood]

no idea, we grew some sunflowers, but I odn't remember a problem, that looks like some type of...worm maybe? I'm curious. when I started this little fun forum, I was hoping that occasionally...someone really knowledgable about veggies would step up. My knwoledge is pretty much, reading, discussion/good advice turned into trial and error, and I read Growing edge mag and maximum yield...check out their sites for some piks of sunflower problems...Hell google sunflowers. LOL peace Hang in there. I know it can be discouraging on occasion.

[MidnightToker54]

What's up Latewood and everybody - I'll be joining the Veggie Society in a few weeks when my setup is complete. In the meantime, I've been reading about what you guys have been growing. I'll try some indoor stuff until next spring - I have.....

Italian Pesto Basil
Stirfry Mix (Red Mustard, Mizspoona, Poc Choi & Asian Red Kale)
Francisca & Red Savina Habanero Chiles (hottest peppers in the world!) :thumbsup:

[latewood]

can't wait MT...looks like you have a nice selection...Me I am getting ready to show some pepper plants, and I am going to try some romaine, yellow squash, and cucumbers in our new experimental station...Glad to see you around. You are also invited to come see us at http://www.hygronomics.com. We are just a baby, but we are trying to build a self-substantial, politically active, anti-establishmentary, hydro veggies and equipment forum with a spiritual side. peace

[crazywill]

Hello lw
I'am a son of two hillbilly from Tenn. & Ky.When I was a tot my gram show me to Save the seed from your vegs and to dry them on news papper in the attic for next year.We lived in a 4 season climate and now I live in a 2 season
But I still do the same in growing,you have 2 diffident grow seasons.Spring its tomatos,peppers lettuce,cus and in the fall its orka and hardy plants.
Every thing in the garden that you didnt eat{the stalks & vines}ect.You feed to the cows & pigs & Chickens.Here's the good part, what the cows eat go in one end and comes out the other.and in the spring all of us kids had to clean
out the barn and spead it out over the graden before they turned the soil under.Great fertilizer for tomatos and everything in between.So the next time
you get a good veg save the seeds dry them and plant them you will be a real
organic Hillbilly Gardener.

[latewood]

thanks bro...I dry/save seeds from all my plants for my co-op seedbank at hygronomics.com, thanks for the post.

[soccergal]

I was thinking of doing some cherry tomatoes on my balcony. I eat a lot of salad...so it'd be nice to grow my own. When would I plant them? Obviously not now as it's getting cold...but when is the ideal time to plant tomatoes for outdoor growth?

[latewood]

you start your seeds inside...where they can be nice and toasty...
then as soon as the last frost hits...you plant your seedlings...

perhaps If you faricated a little green house on the porch using plastic...you could keep them warm and enhance the shorter day of sun with a 250wHID lamp. that's what I do...

This winter I am do my 1st winter nursery hydro growing... I am doing a start-up to an experimental station for my website...Can you say tax write-off? Goodluck, let me know how your doing, peace

[BlueBear]

I am looking at dabbling with some indoor vegetable gardening and have been poking around to get a feel for the ins and outs, but find that there are a lot of basic things that I can't seem to get the answers to. Well just to start off, With the pollination of some budding veggies, will an oscillating fan in the room be sufficient to transfer pollen or do you have to always use brushes and so on for consistent results? I could possibly start a miniature bee farm in the room for some cross pollination I guess, LOL.

what seem to be a good light output/wattage for something like a tub of cherry tomatoes? Also, I read that MH lights are good to take green veggies all the way through and HPS for budding plants, but with the budding plants should they use a MH at all or is a HPS sufficient?

I am looking for any lists that state an approximate wattage need for certain veggies. all I can seem to find is greens need less while budding veggies need more and so on, but I would like to know for instance, will a 600w be sufficient for a 5x6 area, or do they suck up as much light as MJ? do veggies need less light than MJ? I want to get an idea of what it would take to meet some basic monthly veg treats for the family, not every meal, but something hear and there throughout the winter months.

Can anyone recommend some good articles on indoor gardening. LW I have been over to the Cutting Edge forums and will continue to poke around there. Hope that everything doesn't sound too confusing.

Any input will be appreciated.

Hear is a list that I found that gives an idea of a few things that can be grown indoors that I didn't find in this thread so far and I thought since it was interesting to me it might be to some other people as well, Adieu Some varieties suitable for indoor planting include:

Vegetable Varieties

Beets Little Ball
Beans, Snap Any "bush" variety
Cabbage Cabbage Morden Dwarf, Earlianna
Carrots Lady Finger, Short `n' Sweet
Cucumbers Bush Whopper, Bush Champion, Potluck, Spacemaster
Lettuce All leaf varieties
Onions Green Bunching (scallions)
Peas Mighty Midget, Little Marvel, Pea Novella
Peppers Gypsy Hybrid, Parks Pot Pepper Hybrid
Radishes All varieties
Spinach All varieties
Squash, Summer Gourmet Globe (zucchini), Gold Rush
Hybrid (yellow)
Squash, Winter Early Butternut Hybrid, Burpee Butter
Boy Hybrid, Butterbush.
Tomatoes Patio Prize, Patio F., Tiny Tim, Toy Boy VF Hybrid, Small Fry, Minibel, Little King, Tiny Tim and any determinate variety.

[BlueBear]

LW, I said that I had been over to the Cutting edge forums, Doh. I ment "Growing Edge forums.
Adieu

[latewood]

pollination. I have been told all of the above...fans, brushes, and gentle shaking of the stem w/flowers...ladybugs eat pests and can help in the pollination process. I have all my veggies outside now, but am trying to complete my nursery. I actually put pepper plants under a canopy and they went crazy, w/only 50% light.

1000w Mh Or hps will work in my opinion. Can you wire electrical components? I bought all my ballasts raw and wired them. Look for link to my website above. On the middle lower right hand side...There is a link. copy/paste that link to your browser...then use it to search for raw ballasts...you will find a wide range of lights and kits that will do the trick!

You can grow any of the varieties you listed above...the only thing is; You must find the proper medium for each> Are you Hydro?, or Soil?

back later, broke my foot. gotta go. peace

[BlueBear]

Thanks LW sorry to here about your foot. I have a couple 1K MH balasts sitting around somewhere that I can use, but I just need some extra room, my sister and law is taking up the extra 180SQF room up right now and it is a pain. I am growing in soil right now, but am thinking about doing the veggies in hydro but I am not sure yet. I am waiting to get some literature in the mail right now about indoor gardening and then I will have a better idea of what I want to experiment with.
Thanks for getting back to me.
Adieu

[stinkyattic]

Hello all, sorry to butt in like this but I'm bringing in my herbs from the outdoor garden this afternoon and have only 24h and 12/12 light available (not making a 3rd room, omg I'd be so confused!).

So far I've got basil, pennyroyal, 2 other types of mint, and rosemary.

Which room would you recommend, 24 or 12 hours of light?

Or to maximize my space, should I switch my 24h room to 18/6 and put the herbs in there?

Thanks.

[LowVoltageNerd]

Nice yeild off those peppers, they look awesome. would be crazy to see an indica or sativa yield there. Hey can you take a pic of your light set up, seems like its pretty efficient, just wanted to see its configuration in your garden.

[L3G10N]

Lw, can i ask you somthing about dwc system?

[latewood]

LVNerd. I run a 6 foot hydrofarm light rail and w/hortilux hps
about 2 feet parallel to wall.

I hang a couple 1000w MH I move over an area I feel need some light intensity.

the piks you see have a 250w hps sont agromax, I think right over top. peace

Leg' anytime! what do you want to know? If about dwc and mj...make a new thread in hydroponics, please. lw

[L3G10N]

Well, its just about DWC in general... I read a post saying that in DWC you are not supposed to use full strength nutes at all because the roots are constantly sitting in the soultion and would burn them up. Since i believe you are the DWC master ;) , what is your word on this?

[latewood]

I run full strength nutes once I start veg. I may at times cut some of the liquid karma. and I find it important to top off with fresh ph'd water, in order to give the plants a chance to use available stored nutes as well.

[L3G10N]

hey man, sorry about this...
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=82870&page=2

:(

[latewood]

Cool L3...I have some good pepper piks, and I just got some dutch hydro buckets so that I can have a commercial drip set-up. peace

[Anathema2121]

I want to grow some strawberries indoors in soil, and I've been doing lots of reading. It appears they are photoperiod dependent on flowering as well. I think the day-neutral strawberries look like the best candidate for indoor since they bear fruit the whole season outdoor (like spring through fall) instead of one harvest in june. Any input? Every where I find only really has info about growing already live plants, not much info about starting from seed. Where would I even find seeds that are good for growing, would ones from store bought fruit work, kinda like pot bag seed?

[Anathema2121]

Well, after reading through this and forgetting most of it cause of how HIgh i am, i decided to grow peppers too since I have a perfect closet for it. I went out and got 4 100watt (23watt 1600 lumens, the warm ones but fuck it they work, look at my other grow lol) cfls. They were on sale in a 4 pack for $9.85 or a 2 pack for $8.85 :confused: I was originally gonna buy the 150 watt (42 watt 2700 lumen) one for $9.85. Being stoned makes me such a great bargain shopper lol. 6,400 - 2,700 = 3,700 more lumens for the same price :dance:

I went out and bought 3 packs of seeds: 2 varieties of jalapeno & 1 long red cayenne. Feed stores are a great place for seeds when its not the season, btw. They have EVERYTHING year round. Only cost like 3 bucks. The old man at the counter was curious why I am growing peppers at this time of year. He was hella impressed to find out I was growing them in a closet. He gave me lots of pepper growing tips and we discussed germination methods and told me to come back and tell him how it went. Old people are so cool.

He said to put them in a wet paper towel somewhere warm overnight or a day and then plant them and keep them somewhere warm. I usually germinate my other seeds in the towel until they sprout roots, but on the bag it says these seeds take 14-21 days to germinate, so I'm guessing they might rot in the paper towel or something. Any input on that latewood?

Well I planted some straight in soil (scotts seed starting potting soil), i put 2 in each hole, 4 in a cup just to see which method sprouts faster. I buried them all at different depths too, to see what works best. Being a stoner I forgot to mark which hole was which depth lol. I did remember to mark which cup was which though :D

[Anathema2121]

Pics - One of my plants in the early stages of flowering and also a little sample from my harvest.
Unfortunately it was an outdoor, 100% organic soil grow.
Not next season though!

Plant : Chilli
Strain : Long Red Cayenne

Hell yeah! Thats the exact strain of cayenne I planted. How long did it take for the seed to sprout and how long was it from germination to harvest?

[latewood]

start your seeds in soil, if you are going to grow in soil, or use peat pellets. they are cheap and work great...be sure to keep your seedlings warm, and if you want fruits then you have to have pollenation, so read up on the different ways to pollenate indoors.

ladybugs and a breeze, but I tell you without assistance to pollenate, yields are low. Good luck

[Anathema2121]

start your seeds in soil, if you are going to grow in soil, or use peat pellets. they are cheap and work great...be sure to keep your seedlings warm, and if you want fruits then you have to have pollenation, so read up on the different ways to pollenate indoors.

ladybugs and a breeze, but I tell you without assistance to pollenate, yields are low. Good luck

I think i'm gonna just use the paintbrush technique. I don't care much about yield as long as I get a few peppers. This is more of a hobby to pass the time rather than to get lbs of food. In other words I'm not gonna be disappointed if they don't kick ass. I ordered some beautiful peruvian purple chiles that according to the website make great ornamental indoor plants. The foilage and all is purple, with the fruit looking almost black til it matures. My logic was that if they make good ornamental indoor plants under standard indoor lighting, they'll probably do great in my little room. Check em out. Peruvian Purple Chile (http://www.seedsofchange.com/garden_center/product_details.asp?item_no=S10787)

[latewood]

cool. Can't wait to see'em

[Anathema2121]

W00t got my purple chiles, and they mailed me a free pack of lemon basil heirloom seeds. I'll let you know how they go latewood, with pics. I've been having some seeds germinating in soil and some germinating a paper towel. I can see the ones in the towel swelling up, they're definitely not as thin as they were when I got them, I compared them sided by side. So hopefully only a few days more, then I'll have baby pictures.

[Splifted]

Just wanted to post an interesting find. http://www.karenplatt.co.uk/books/
She has like bunches of books, one called "Black Magic & Purple Passion" that is all about like every purple plant. Awesome pics. Also has a book that lists over 40,000 species and what seedbanks have them and how to get them. 9,500 vegetables. Kinda cool, i might order that book when I get paid. Has books for all different colors of plant it looks like.

"Black Magic & Purple Passion 3rd edition
November 2004, 240 pages, full colour, £16.99
By Karen Platt

Includes 2750 black plants including when to grow them, how to plant them and the suppliers where you can buy them. A unique source of information not available anywhere else in one affordable book with unique colour photographs and detailed plant descriptions written in an enjoyable format.
Publication date 1 November 2004
ISBN 095457642X
Pages 240
Photographs 425
Dimensions 10 x 8.5"
Format Softback with flap"

[latewood]

http://www.hygronomics.com/forum1 is back up and running! Yeehaw!!! I will be adding a bunch of posts about indoor outdoor winter growing. Still have some construction to do

[Aaron385]

Check out this monster bell pepper!! Its off the bell pepper plant in the previous pics in this thread.. The plant is near its end of life now and its tossing massive peppers that look and taste SOOOOOO much better than the store bought ones. One of the most effective things I have found so far is Carboload by AN.. Im not particularly an AN fan myself but when it comes to veggies that stuff did seem to pack on some mass and size. I picked this one a little early because Im making some goulash and needed a bell pepper.. otherwise it may have fluffed out a bit more round like the store bought crap.. but most of that is just air space anyways.. and you dont want to know what they spray on it to get that look I promise.

This bell pepper weights so much.. Look at the massive walls of this puppy.. Way thicker than the wally world peppers! it will surely make some fine goulash!

[latewood]

great looking pepper...I have had quite a few of them myself.

not cut out the seeds and stick them in an envelope to dry...then you will ahve seeds that are adapted to your growing philosophy

[Splifted]

My peppers. That purple one is the peruvian purple chile. Pretty cool, but I think I fucked it up. The leaves don't seem to grow right, they start off rolled up, but they are un-rolling slightly as they turn darker green. I think I'm gonna feed them with next watering, 1/4 strength dose fox farms grow big.

The one in the second pic is my healthiest looking one. The other green one with the fucked up leaves is my retard. I always have at least one retarded plant, no matter what I grow. The big one is growing a lot per day now. The smaller leaf on it wasn't fully developed only like 18 hours before this pic.

[latewood]

looks a little dry, there...

I would not feed nutes too early...most of the farmers I know just water adding 1/4tsp per gallon superthrive...until they are ready for transplant...Now I see you already have your seedlings in bigger pots...That's OK, just remember...no nutes for seedlings. Wait until they have 4-5 tiers of leaves then give them a full strength dose of nutes...followed by a week of watering. (that should only be 1-2 waterings a week for plants that small. 2-3 times a week as they start drinking more) peace. Glad you guys are having a good time. Look forward to seeing you at http://hygronomics.com/forum1. That site is getting ready to get bustling, and I am getting ready to start a bunch of varieties of veggies. L

[Abattoir Dream]

lol this is clearly a good idea for a new grow section for the forums, look at all the replies already ;):);)

[Splifted]

I gave them a very weak feeding of grow big & big bloom with some superthrive the day before thanksgiving and I came back after thanksgiving dinner and they've already grown like a whole new set of leaves and the purple one sprouted 4 new growth shoots from leaf crotches. I think they liked it.

[latewood]

just careful with nutes...they are still too young for nutes, but I am glad to see you having success. peace
I am getting ready to start a bunch of different veggie seeds, for a winter greenhouse experiment. Will keep you posted here and @http://www.hygronomics.com/forum1 my uncles site.:smokin: peace

[Splifted]

They're over 2 weeks old now, how old do peppers need to be before their first food? The soil I have them in has absolutely no nutrients. I fed like a 1/8th strength dose, just to be safe, and I noticed the leaves are a little darker green, were kinda light yellowish (almost) green. I always read that for cannabis, its ferts after 2 weeks, with peppers should you wait longer?

[latewood]

well 1st of all cannabis is not...nutrients after 2 weeks...You wait until there are 4-5 alternating nodes and the seedlings are well rooted. Alot of people get confusedwith the difference between how you feed young seedlings, and cloines...clones take on the age of the mother...so as soon as they root, you nute...good luck, just be careful. if color keeps coming back, then water tw/water, and add 50% solution next week. In between nutrients evry 7-10 days use ph water @6.5ph

If you feel that your 1/8 solution brightened them up, then that is OK.

[Splifted]

Thanks for all the input latewood. I was wondering if you knew what might cause pepper leaves to curl? Mine had been curling downward slightly before I fed them, but they still look healthy. At least its not an upward curl, which means either light or nute burn i believe. I'll post better pics when i can.

[latewood]

I think you will find that seedlings tend to have a little curling now and again. remember they only have a small rootzone at this age; So a mionor thing can cause them to be off. I wouldn't worry untill they get bigger..unless you see a worsening problem with new foliage. peace

[Splifted]

Lookin happy as hell. I swapped one of the 23 watt bulbs out with a 42 watt one too tonight, we'll see how they like it :D

[dutch.lover]

this is my first time on this thread and it's pretty sweet. it's making me wanna grow my own food! if i do, i will go organic cause it tastes so much better IMO than the regular stuff.

[latewood]

lack of light migfht be part of your problem...I apologize, I didn't realize you were using such low wattage...

I am curious to see if that light can grow edible peppers...later.

[latewood]

thanks dutch.lover. We subsisted off of veggies and peppers we grew almost this entire year, and It didn't take a ton of effort. I am getting ready for a big winbter nursery experiment. If all goes as planned, I will have 10-12 varities of veggies both vegatative plants and fruiting plants...should be fun

[Splifted]

lack of light migfht be part of your problem...I apologize, I didn't realize you were using such low wattage...

I am curious to see if that light can grow edible peppers...later.

That's just for seedling stage. I'm getting a 4 tube 48" t8 fixture when they're bigger, and side lighting with 42 watt CFLs. But the purple ones don't need as much light as a normal pepper, and work good as a house plant according to the bag. Also, I'm LST'ing them so I get the most out of my CFL, I'll take pics when i get batteries.

[lowryderulez]

Heres some pics of my chillis, hopefully be getting a burnin by christmas haha.
I've been growing Bolivian Rainbow and Cayenne chillis under 125w envirolite in my cab.

Heres Bolivian -
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and heres Cayenne, herbs and a pic of my cab!
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[latewood]

thanks for sharing lowwryder...those look great. I hope to see more results from you, thanks again...http://www.hygronomics.com hint hint...

Well that just shows how well you can grow indoors...great job.

I made some more head way on the nursery...planning lettuce, spinach, cilantro, and basil in dutch leach trays, and some tomato pepper combo's in hydro buckets...after that I am going to add varities of peppers in homemade dwc and drip units.

I plan on raising seedlings in a homemade ebb and flow tray...so the end of this year is going to be real busy for me...starting seeds this week in rockwool. It's great a few of you all have chosen to take part in this experiment/alternative. peace latewood

[stinkyattic]

Hey guys, thought I'd pop in and share a review of a tomato strain! Hee hee... at least it's only like $1.50 for about 200 seeds compared to $100 for 10 seeds like our OTHER favorite plant!
Patio Tomato- Garden Red.
Moved this dude in from the garden in September... it had been really slow outdoors and hadn't flowered yet... bad soil in my yard... VERY wet. Virtually as soon as it had acclimated to my flower room it showed flowers and I have been having to re-chain it on a regular basis because it just keeps growing... Very thick and dark leaves compared to many mater varities I've seen. Fruit is the size of a billiards ball, very deep red, perfectly round, thin-skinned, and exceptionally sweet. Not like a grape tomato, but like a really good beefsteak.
Here's some fruit and the last pic is what happened to them!
It is STILL setting flowers and I'm hesitant to bug-bomb again until I see more fruit form.

Latewood, do you find cilantro to be very difficult to grow as compared to other herbs? I have NOT been able to grow it indoors. Outdoors it thrives but ugh, indoors, forget it. I remember when I worked at the now-defunct hydro facility, the basil and arugula did quite well but again, the cilantro was so bad we just gave up on it as a product.

Seems that it is the first thing that bugs attack too. No wonder... just shows they have good taste!

[Splifted]

The LST'd peruvian chile, the retarded jalapeno, & the baby dorset naga. Look at the stem on that jalapeno, it could probably support my weight damn.

[stinkyattic]

LOVE the peruvians. I have a 'thing' for purple-leafed plants. My entire front garden is a collection of plants with either purple or maroon leaves, or BLACK flowers, and ferns.
Those chilis are going in there in the spring! Now if only I could happily grow Soma's Rock Bud or Lavender in the front yard....
:D

[latewood]

Here here to the front yard...That's a great cover...active gardening in and out and thoughout the home...Wait til I turn the nursery lights on; Out in the nursery for the 1st time...I bet the neighbors will think the Aliens have arrived...roflmao

[latewood]

please help! http://www.freewebs.com/donsmokin84/

If you have nothing to offer the community then don't post.

We do not tolerate Spam and or Trolling at this site...Some nerve.

If I see this link around again, I will ban you:(

[latewood]

I have some new veggie piks for ya'...back later...BUMP