Holocaust denier jailed!

[bedake]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/20/austria.irving.trial.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Ok, I know the holocaust was real, ive been to the holocaust museum/memorial place in DC, not that i needed that to know it was real but anyways, this guy was jailed for 3 years for denying the holocaust. He may be a douche but that seems a little rough.

Just thought ya'll might want to see this.

Oh by the way, if your ever in DC check out the holocaust museum, they really did a good job with it, the place is eerie how little people talk in it.

[pisshead]

he's not the only one, either. there are quite a few out there, some on trial for denying it...

i don't deny it...i see the same mechanisms in place in this country where the same thing will happen...just as it always has and always will...but you still shouldn't go to jail for speech.

[Breukelen advocaat]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/20/austria.irving.trial.ap/index.html?section=cnn_latestOk, I know the holocaust was real, ive been to the holocaust museum/memorial place in DC, not that i needed that to know it was real but anyways, this guy was jailed for 3 years for denying the holocaust. He may be a douche but that seems a little rough.Just thought ya'll might want to see this.
Oh by the way, if your ever in DC check out the holocaust museum, they really did a good job with it, the place is eerie how little people talk in it.

You don't have to go to a museum to find out if the holocaust was real - there are plenty of survivors still alive (many live in my town), as well as soldiers that liberated the death and concentration camps. They can tell you about it. My father, now deceased, was one of those soldiers.

Half the people in the Germanic countries probably deny that it happened - this guy happens to be British, and has since changed his tune. Europe has worse things than crackpot professors to worry about right now.

[SneakerPimp]

The whole point that most people are DENYING about the holocaust is the amount that died... I know MANY Jewish people who have said the same thing... If 6 million Jews died, then where did the all these Jews that are living come from????
There are many FACTUAL statements made by many countries that have LOWERED the amount that were killed in the holocaust..... 6 million was well OVER-estimated.

[bedake]

You don't have to go to a museum to find out if the holocaust was real - there are plenty of survivors still alive (many live in my town), as well as soldiers that liberated the death and concentration camps. They can tell you about it. My father, now deceased, was one of those soldiers.

Half the people in the Germanic countries probably deny that it happened - this guy happens to be British, and has since changed his tune. Europe has worse things than crackpot professors to worry about right now.


i didnt say i had to go to the museum to know it was real, but why do you always post those pictures?

[Breukelen advocaat]

i didnt say i had to go to the museum to know it was real, but why do you always post those pictures?

I post a lot of pictures - which ones do you mean?

[soxsuk6432]

I'm pretty sure he means the one you post after alot of your posts.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I'm pretty sure he means the one you post after alot of your posts.


I don't know exactly WHICH picture(s) you, or he, are referring to.

[soxsuk6432]

I don't know exactly WHICH picture(s) you, or he, are referring to.
The Greetings from Coney Island one, espeacially. Are they just pictures you found that were cool/funny?

[lemonboy]

How many people dead does it take to make a holocaust? One? Seven billion? Why would it matter how many died exactly? Unless you're looking to fund a memorial or Jew-bash that is.

[Raiden]

The whole point that most people are DENYING about the holocaust is the amount that died... I know MANY Jewish people who have said the same thing... If 6 million Jews died, then where did the all these Jews that are living come from????
There are many FACTUAL statements made by many countries that have LOWERED the amount that were killed in the holocaust..... 6 million was well OVER-estimated.

Are you really that thick?

[Breukelen advocaat]

The Greetings from Coney Island one, espeacially. Are they just pictures you found that were cool/funny?

I live close to Coney Island, which is in Brooklyn.

Another picture that I sometimes post is of Ebbits Field (below), which was the home of the Brooklyn Dodgers. I was too young to remember them when they were here.

I've only seen "The Sopranos" once, but the guy in the middle (I don't remember him) used to hang out near where I lived. He later became an actor.

I got the smoking alien postcard in Amsterdam about 10 years ago.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Are you really that thick?
are YOU? you got something to add to that snide remark, or are you just trying to get a rise out of sneaker pimp?

[Miss Green]

Yeah I seen this on the news and thought how can they lock up a 67 yr old man for 3 years like really.And I have been reading and hearing that the death toll for the holocaust is much lower than what they are claiming.

[Jeff Spicoli]

sneakerpimp, your just a dumb, scamming pile of horse shit

[eg420ne]

Thought it was a good read....

So if you deny the Holocaust you go to jail but if you deny billions of years of evolution it becomes required teaching in American schools. First off I want to make it clear that I am in no way shape or form denying the Holocaust! I am however pointing out the mind blowing hypocrisy here.

Someone tell me why we can deny any other historical event, including history itself. We can declare historical events without having any proof that they happened or existed (like the entire bible and the existence of God). But if you dare question the events that took place during World War II you go to jail! Something is very disturbing about this. Why is one form of outrageous claim permitted and the other punishable by imprisonment?

At least we have the means to prove that the Holocaust took place. If someone does not believe it then show him/her the proof. If they still donâ??t believe it then we should treat that person the same way that we treat people who see proof of stolen elections, government complicity in 9/11, evolution, secret societies, Satanist cabals, etc., yet they donâ??t believe that proof. Why are Holocaust deniers the only people who have to believe the proof that is presented to them? Who set this special standard and why? Who are the people who decide which segments of the historical record must be accepted by the public? If the answers are so clear why would someone who denies the Holocaust be such a threat to society that they have be imprisoned? Who would be so concerned about these deniers? I donâ??t get it. What am I missing here?

If someone does not believe that you have a penny in your pocket, show him the penny. Problem solved. Donâ??t arrest him for claiming that you donâ??t have a penny. If it is OK for people to declare as truth that some penny fairy placed the penny in my pocket it should be OK for someone to claim that I donâ??t have the penny. It is easier for me to educate the person who thinks I do not have the penny than it is for me to demand proof that a fairy gave me my penny. Can you say â??hypocrisy?â?� Even better can you say â??insanity?â?� Think about it!

[Awill3449]

Who care if it was 6 million or 4 million or 10 million? At this point it doesn't matter. I've met survivors, and trust me, it was real. They didn't toture and tatoo themselves for fun.

And where did the jews come from? Are you retarded? I'll explain for you. In the early 1900's there was a massive influx of RUSSIAN jews that came to the united states. They were here before the Halocost and didn't die from it.
Also, many people moved to Israel during it and didn't die. Right now, there are about 13-14 million jews in the world. In 1945, there were estimated to be roughly 11 million. If about half of those died, but more were born, estimates say there were still about 11 million jews in 1950. Why does this add up? Take a biology class. Populations grow exponentially, so a growth of 0 actually means that many, many individuals died.

The halocaust happen. Millions of people died. Six million or five million? Who knows...but who really cares. The only people who care are the ones that want to make it look like the Jews made the who thing up. But guess what, they didn't. If you have any more revisionist stuff for us, make sure to post it at www.stormfront.org , because I don't want that bullshit around here.

Oh and ps, I totally agree that the guy should not be in jail. He should be allowed to have his own views, and although I disagree w/ the views, he should not go to jail for dissenting.

[scobbie]

thhe holocost happened thats for sure, millions died defenetly, it was a liberty and should never have been alowed to happen but the thing that bothers me is ,freedom of speach , 3 years man for having an opinion man right or wrong is a bit grim in my opinion

[nicholasstanko]

I've never seen any evidence of the holocaust.


I dont mean hearsay and "testimonials". I mean evidence. Actual evidence. If anyone has any, please post it here.

[Awill3449]

I've never seen any evidence of the holocaust.


I dont mean hearsay and "testimonials". I mean evidence. Actual evidence. If anyone has any, please post it here.
Do you even know what hearsay is???? It's an out of court statement being offered for the truth. Is admissible non-hearsay evidence even possible online? No. Everything written is a statement. Actually a statement without and assertion isnt hearsay. So here's your evidence "The Holocaust happened."

Do you believe it didn't happen? I know people thats survived it, and many people whose families were killed. If you're looking for evidence, check out a local library or I'm sure there are organizations that can set you up with survivors in your area. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Do you deny the exsistence of WWI? What about the civil war? Have you seen evidence besides "artifacts" and "testimonials"?

Sorry if I'm getting personal, this is just a really tough issue that I feel strongly about. No hard feelings, just trying to educate:thumbsup:

[bonsaiguy]

Do you even know what hearsay is???? It's an out of court statement being offered for the truth. Is admissible non-hearsay evidence even possible online? No. Everything written is a statement. Actually a statement without and assertion isnt hearsay. So here's your evidence "The Holocaust happened."

Do you believe it didn't happen? I know people thats survived it, and many people whose families were killed. If you're looking for evidence, check out a local library or I'm sure there are organizations that can set you up with survivors in your area. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Do you deny the exsistence of WWI? What about the civil war? Have you seen evidence besides "artifacts" and "testimonials"?

Sorry if I'm getting personal, this is just a really tough issue that I feel strongly about. No hard feelings, just trying to educate:thumbsup:


Well, unless all of those films I saw in High School were faked, then yes I have seen the evidence. Also have older relatives who were there in Europe and the South Pacific. The photographic evidence of bodies being bulldozed in to pits and people waiting in line for the "showers" is there for the viewing. The Germans were very thorough in their documentation.

[CYRAX]

Fuck nazi's....

my family was in the resistance in the 30's and 40's... (anti's)..

theres poser skin heads at my school, me and my pals fuck them up all the time, we got kicked outa cumbys cuz we pushed some skin head into a cd rack and it fell over, lol...

[F L E S H]

Ok, first, this guy is a racist scum bag who got offended one day because a black was reading the news on television, he's been deported from many countries, he associates with neo-nazis... But does he deserve to go jail??

On the one hand, we have a holocaust denier being sent to jail, on the other hand, the western world is fighting for their right to publish cartoons offensive to muslims... Am I the only one who sees a double standard?

While it seems it's ok to insult people who are not, for the most part, part of our everyday lives in Western Europe and North America (muslims), it's a mortal sin to offend Jews...

Maybe in the end that's exactly what people don't like about Americans/Europeans: blatant double standards.

[CYRAX]

the point of the Nazi is revenge..... revenge that they couldnt get a job a Jew could..... sad if you ask me....

[eg420ne]

Truth needs to laws to support it. Throughout history, only lies and liars have resorted to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma. As it was in Galileo's time, laws that forbid asking questions protect not the truth, but vested interests.
Nobody jails people who claim to have seen bigfoot. Nobody arrests people who think Elvis is still alive. Only in this one area is the mere asking of a question or the performance of a laboratory test grounds for imprisonment for a crime deemed so evil that even the truth is not allowable as a defense.

History is full of atrocities. And for all those atrocities save one, the victims themselves cry out for more examination, more study, more research. Only in this one area do the victims work so hard to punish anyone who wishes to take a closer look. We are all asked to buy the used car of Holocaust politics without being allowed to check out just what kind of engine is under that hood.

Like most Americans, I grew up believing the orthodox accounts of the history of WW2. But more than anything else, it is the manner in which historians, chemists, and researchers are punished for asking a question that has caused me to suspect some dark and terrible secret is being hidden from the general public, and in an age where we were all lied to about Iraq's mythical weapons of mass destruction, the idea that we can be lied to on such a grand and horrific scale has become mainstream.
http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=20001&Disp=11#C11
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

[bedake]

I've been to the nazi death camp Dachau in germany, you cant tell me that shit is something to ignore and say it didnt happen.

Yet still i dont know if you can be jailed for voicing an opinion, even if its on a subject as delicate as the holocaust. I dont know, im not sure how anyone can have a 100% decision on this matter cause im sure conflicted on it.

[eg420ne]

No1s denying that ww2 happened or that LOTS of people died, I think people want to know what are they hiding from us... B4 this I wouldnt give a damn, but now I want to know what are they hiding..Its a good question i think...My grandpa fought battles in germany my great uncle died fighting in WWII, and i know people personally who was in a concentration camp, so I heard it all or at least until now...

.Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster, for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
-- Nietzsche

[nicholasstanko]

Do you even know what hearsay is???? It's an out of court statement being offered for the truth. Is admissible non-hearsay evidence even possible online? No. Everything written is a statement. Actually a statement without and assertion isnt hearsay. So here's your evidence "The Holocaust happened."

Do you believe it didn't happen? I know people thats survived it, and many people whose families were killed. If you're looking for evidence, check out a local library or I'm sure there are organizations that can set you up with survivors in your area. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. Do you deny the exsistence of WWI? What about the civil war? Have you seen evidence besides "artifacts" and "testimonials"?

Sorry if I'm getting personal, this is just a really tough issue that I feel strongly about. No hard feelings, just trying to educate:thumbsup:


yes i know what hearsay is. there was plenty of it during the nuremburg trials. how about some forensics? holocaust means genocide by fire. theres no factual evidence that the nazis burned alive 6,000,000 jews.

survivors that saw nazis killing people with guns, not burning sticks.

im not saing jews werent massacred. but there was no actual "holocaust".

[F L E S H]

yes i know what hearsay is. there was plenty of it during the nuremburg trials. how about some forensics? holocaust means genocide by fire. theres no factual evidence that the nazis burned alive 6,000,000 jews.

survivors that saw nazis killing people with guns, not burning sticks.

im not saing jews werent massacred. but there was no actual "holocaust".
Holocaust means a burnt sacrifice to god... It implies that the sacrificial lamb, as it were, is already dead. Therefore, it makes sense, since Jews were probably shot or gassed or whatever, and then their remains were burnt to eliminate evidence. Although it's not really a sacrificial thing, it's still a holocaust. But that's splitting hairs :D

[Twoshots]

Why are people always bitching about the Jews.Were there not any other people killed during the war??
If you check into it you will find the actual number is more like two million,average killing of a particular breed no more no less.
Jews are always feeling sorry for themselves.Now they just want to take over the world much like Hitler..
Almost all major companies in powerful positions have a jew at the helm..coincidence i think not.
My opinion and you cant change it so dont start with the "Oh no another bigot" remarks.lol

[Twoshots]

Originally nazi scheme to exterminate Jews in Europe in the 40's, which led to the death of several millions. The philosophy of the nazis has in later years been adopted by leading Jews in Israel who now consider themselves to be the chosen people and kill Palestinians with abandon as these are considered to be the new "Untermenschen" that the nazis earlier declared the Jews to be. The philosophy is as detestable now as it was in the 40's and the methods used are as criminal.

Hmm kettle calling the pot black eh!! Wonder if the pallys will complain in a bit lol..

[eg420ne]

funny- bush administration welcomes all jews in his office even ones with dual citizenship,(nothing wrong with being jew)but I like the constitution and dont think people with dual citizenship to another country should be allowed to hold any power of america, like they do now- Americans pure and simple, i guess im to radical to be saying that but hey what you going to do about:thumbsup: and kick dem fuking neo-cons out of america <fukin criminals

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