Anti-American Rhetoric (It's that time again!)

[lemonboy]

Still waiting. Oh, the below gems are from a single thread (http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=52702&page=2) that he started, asking for only US responses. Why? So he can tell us how fat, stupid we are and fuck our moms on the way out? This is so much fun! Or... not.


if u dont like...why do u read and write?
moron american!

an other stupid american...thanks
eheh

well in this thread i was see that americans (%80 of them) are stupid and fat
obese stupids!:D

LOL
wohoooooo if these infos are "true"
then i am george bush
hmmm i was change my mind...also too much terror there, your government gives gun to 6-7 yrs old children hands, every day tons of murders in usa
u can not give me a "life guarantee" in usa
are you gonna deny it either?...

really?
ok
all turks fuck your mom then, better:smokin:

yes, i am producer of this movie....LOL
u can't even tell "whats the life guarantee in usa"....lol
your way:

"we are can be fat, but not stupid and no terrorism here"

my asssssss!
LOL

[Shelbay]

Still waiting. Oh, the below gems are from a single thread (http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=52702&page=2).
Who is this guy for real? anyone know? Another good job lemonboy well done on your post.

[midlifecrisis]

Another case of littlepenisitis!!....Long live the Ottoman Empire...second only to the Nazi's!!

[lemonboy]

i understand you ,but u cant tell nuthing ...lol
also i dont care a stupid american teenager
knock to an other doorYeah I'm sure that thread will be so full of them by morning I won't waste my time with any more. Only a few minutes have passed since I posted this thread and we have yet another candidate, though. Hope my point has been made.

I'll tell you who esra ISN'T... He isn't some 16 year old American kid that types in all caps, makes 20 or so random threads, and gets permbanned 24 hours after signing up :)

[anycraic]

yeah it would be okay if he had a cohesive anti american arguement, but all he says is i will have intercourse with your natural mother and shit

[del...]

yes, he's an asshole but you are driving him into those posts with your constant attacks and flames towards him of your own...he's only responding in his crude way and weak command of the english language...or else i would ban him right now!

how about you signing up to moderate over at baked.com and leave the job here to us...and quit your personal attacks on esra, including all this childish tattling! we are well aware of his problem with the board and almost all of it comes from having to defend himself from you and the few others who constantly harrass him...or at least have the balls to do it "to his face" in the chat room! i'll set up a room for you 2 and another for shelbay and whats-her-name to fight it out in private so maybe we can have a little peace on the boards. but it is easier to ambush out here, eh?

[lemonboy]

This isn't some ego trip on my behalf. I would hope I had made that clear by not fighting with him and not going on for 50-some-odd page rants like some of our friends like to do. To blame me for this situation leads me to believe you didn't even bother to read my post or investigate that thread. To be rude in the process, well there just is no excuse for. I didn't really expect any more from you but I know there are others that listen and at least make mental notes.

I posted here as requested (http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=24171) to bring things to your attention. Where else should concerns go, provided we are allowed to have them?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

having someone banned, regardless of the reason, indicates ego.

if you let him get to you, you are letting your ego overcome the situation.



forums are a tricky place for me, because everyone allows their self opinion to get in the way of their judgement, they see a child molsetor and dont think twice about attacking hum or her, they see a pro bush forum, and jump right in without second thought, attacking the supporter.


y'all need to get over yourselves and let people be. if they didnt punch you in the face, just ignore them! how hard is that, really?

[lemonboy]

Not really interested in being called a liar to top everything off but thanks for dropping by to add that word of wisdom. Actually I could have done without comments from the peanut gallery altogether. It's that nonsense that has obfuscated things from the beginning.

I already don't talk to him so I'll just do what I was already doing.

Peace. Love. Dope. :rolleyes:

[esrabalamir]

This isn't some ego trip on my behalf. I would hope I had made that clear by not fighting with him ...
yes, i can understand you buddy

we are not living in mars, we live in a democratic world
if you don't like my criticism about you....u must not criticize me
simple mathematical way
1+1=2
u cant say 1+1=an other number, or u cant change math rules....
yea maybe.....if you find a number(a number that isnt in math world untill today)...lol
i mean if u say me "dick head" etc...
also i say you the same
u boycott to ppl who are antiamericanism in your country? i dont think so
democracy is not single-sided
i sometimes don't believe that u live in usa...seriously
in my real life i like america, i am business man, i have tons of jobs between turkey - usa (do u think that this levis 501 jeans totally made in usa? not!
cotton and cloth (raw materials) comes there from middle east, your tailors sew them and your government sticks a label named "made in usa"
and u think that "this jean is %100 made in usa" ...lol
it is like computer world...
for example aol
u think that this aol is made in usa...but not...
your government rents many computer engineers from russia, indian
these engineers work for usa and americans think that "aol is %100 made in usa"...lol
usa is like a robot
i remember u despise to arabs (also i dont like them) but cotton, linen,...comes from arab countries to usa...i don't care "made in usa" label, i care its real "genuine" u see
anyway if you are so nationalist, before u need to research your economy, etc, u must see (accept) some realities, u must open your eyes, u must watch the world etc etc

[Shelbay]

I love egyptian cotton..it does come from Egypt right?:confused:

[anycraic]

lol nothins made anywhere anymore- cept china. ever pick up anything at all round ur house? made ...in....u guessed it.....

the thing is everyone rants and raves about america this and america that, but really its just a scapegoat. if they didnt do it someone else would.
abuse by troops? happens everywhere...
illegal invasions...everyone does it...(hmm turkey invading cyprus?)..
the rush for oil?..the west has been carving up the middle east since world war 1 and the fall of the ottoman empire....
truth is america is not the problem, u have to look east and the inexorable rise of china.
people say 'america is such a cunt', but imagine the world in 10 years..china is rising and it doesnt give a fuck about ANYTHING (theyve already destroyed large parts of their country from over development)...that frightens me more than anything these days...
all this bickering is just whispers in the wind...anyhow my strangely off topic rant is over...yeah esra everyone is entitled to their own opinion, thats why ur still here..ask urself this..if i went onto a turkish board and started saying "fuck islam" and "may the kurds dance in the blood of ur children"...how long would i last, 10 minutes?
exactly, freedom of speech is a blessing, appreciate it

peace

[lemonboy]

This message is hidden because esrabalamir is on your ignore list.:::throws in towel:::

[del...]

see how easy that is?

[lemonboy]

Oh yeah del. Best. solution. ever. :thumbsup:

[del...]

it beats getting banned anyway...

[turtle420]

I can see the tension this issue has brought up...

I'm on lemonboy's side... 110%.

But, I picked to ignore ErsaBirMir. But, I will not rest... as a side project this week, I'll be communicating by eMail with lemonboy (dude, I still haven't check hushmail... later tonight)... anyways, I'll communicate with him, and we'll put together a step-by-step of how, when, and why we think a ban is credited.

If the mods read it, and don't believe it's grounds for banning, I'll live with that decision. But, I trully believe we'll uncover some dirt... :) Only problem I see is diggin through Ersa's 2,161 posts... :(

[lemonboy]

Well I can appreciate your enthusiasm turtle but this was never supposed to be some dramatic ordeal that ends up with me on del's hit list and that's apparently all it's accomplished. Best leave the moderation to the experts. I'm out.

[turtle420]

Well I can appreciate your enthusiasm turtle but this was never supposed to be some dramatic ordeal that ends up with me on del's hit list and that's apparently all it's accomplished. Best leave the moderation to the experts. I'm out.
Ok, well, project canceled....

:) Peace, love and happy toking to everyone... :)

[Raiden]

I think americans get too much stick. They are not all money obsessed, materialistic, Bush loving, flag waving, arrogant assholes. Only about 75% of them are:thumbsup:

[psychocat]

The biggest problem is the hypocrisy of the US goverment and it's refusal to accept that forcing another nation to surrender to it's demands whilst they themselves do not adhere to the same rules of majority rule is wrong.
The idea that the US is somehow exempt from the rules everyone else wants implementing (Kyoto) just shows a lack of diplomacy and an arrogance born of ignorance. The largest stockpile of weapons is in the USA yet they try to dictate to others what weapons they may have (under who's authority, I don't ever remember anyone nominating the US as the police force of the world).

[Kid Dynamite]

The biggest problem is the hypocrisy of the US goverment and it's refusal to accept that forcing another nation to surrender to it's demands whilst they themselves do not adhere to the same rules of majority rule is wrong.
The idea that the US is somehow exempt from the rules everyone else wants implementing (Kyoto) just shows a lack of diplomacy and an arrogance born of ignorance. The largest stockpile of weapons is in the USA yet they try to dictate to others what weapons they may have (under who's authority, I don't ever remember anyone nominating the US as the police force of the world).

very well put. I dont dislike america as a whole, but i think more americans need to see that alot of the international confilcts are a result of american foreign policy. also, not all americans are fat and not all muslims are terrorists.

[anycraic]

thats fucking true, its the cunts in power (on both sides) that are the problem

[lemonboy]

Hehe. I hate that this thread keeps getting bumped but I created it so I guess I'm to blame. Some good things have been said here though. It'd just be nice if some of our international friends didn't immediately point fingers. Some of us, the ones that are educated about the outside world, are not the ones that need preaching to. We already go out of our way to learn about your histories, cultures, and read your newspapers. Pot smokers are a pretty liberal group to begin with so if you're really interested in a debate, try the politics or other forums where it is appropriate.

Lashing out at certain nationalities and religions randomly or creating a thread only to lash out at them is simply wrong. Be you American, Turkish, Russian, Slovenian, etc...

[Buffalo Bill]

Those who choose to bad mouth all Americans because of what their leaders do is nothing more than a show of ignorance. Simple as that! The last time that I checked 48.5% of us voted AGAINST the powers in office, but we still get blamed by the ignorant people such as some of those whom have wasted their time trying to make an intelligent post in this thread. Where in all of these threads do you ever see Americans members making such ignorant blanket statements? Please show me! That is all that I am asking! This thread truly is a prime example of penis envy, if I ever saw one. Over and out.....Buffalo Bill

[psychocat]

Keep it real fella.
The way the US goverment got into power was dubious to say the least, yet not enough of a racket was raised to impeach Bush,, the people who say nothing are as guilty as those who actively support the man.
Thats why some believe the Americans are fools not only for allowing him to get into power in the first place, but even bigger ones for not ousting him from his position of power.

[bobaganuuush]

patriot act classifies those who voice dissent as terrorists, that means they can take you into custody move your ass out of country and hold you without trial for as long as they want, don't pay attention to your rights and they will dissappear, if you're not pissed off you are not paying attention.

[2toker]

as one who participated in more than a few protest, peace marches and anti-war rallys is the 60s and 70s. i agree that there is no outrage visible from any group in America today and it makes me sad. of course things are alot more controlled now than it was, but is'nt everyone sick of this? what good is it just letting the corporations run our lives, our politics, our environment, our FUTURE? we really need to speak out and not lay down for this. however, since most Americans are now uninformed, opinionated, arrogant, complacent, nationalistic and close-minded i doubt this will happen. actually that last sentence explains why we got bush-boy in the 1st place.

[eg420ne]

Simpsons 'trump' First Amendment
BBC | March 1 2006

Americans know more about The Simpsons TV show than the US Constitution's First Amendment, an opinion poll says.

Only one in four could name more than one of the five freedoms it upholds but more than half could name at least two members of the cartoon family.

About one in five thought the right to own a pet was one of the freedoms.

A new museum dedicated to the First Amendment said the findings showed there was a pressing need to explain one of America's basic laws better.

"We have our job cut out for us," said Joe Madeira, director of exhibitions at the McCormick Tribune Freedom Museum.

Another finding from the poll, a telephone survey of 1,000 random adults with an error margin of 3%, was that 22% of Americans could name all five Simpson characters.

By comparison, just one in 1,000 people could name all five First Amendment freedoms.

The names of American Idol TV show judges and popular advertising slogans also proved more memorable than the five freedoms - speech, religion, press, assembly and petition for redress of grievances.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

patriot act classifies those who voice dissent as terrorists, that means they can take you into custody move your ass out of country and hold you without trial for as long as they want, don't pay attention to your rights and they will dissappear, if you're not pissed off you are not paying attention.


exactly. im STILL waiting for the mass riots to break out :mad:

[latewood]

I think americans get too much stick. They are not all money obsessed, materialistic, Bush loving, flag waving, arrogant assholes. Only about 75% of them are:thumbsup:Funny, you say...75% of americans are not even registered to vote...so I say your correct %age is about 20%...*0% of the people are decent down home country folk, whether they are black white green red or yellow...lw

[graph]

hey, I'm an american and I'm pretty chill. Unless gays try to marry. Then I picks up muh rifle an' goes huntin'.

[sbskico1]

perfection in a imperfect world is impossible.......
gov't/corps. are run by people, people make mistakes, therefor, gov't/corps. will make mistakes....
America is not perfect, because the people running America are not perfect...(like the rest of the world) One of my students asked, "Why do so many people hate us?(America)One part of my answer went like this...
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Pretend your married with several childern, your in your 40s-50s, your not rich, but your not poor either, for the most part everyone around you has the same amount of money, goods, etc....
Then one day a young couple in thier 20s with kids moves in next to you, they have more, and better cars, thier kids have better clothes, food, and medical care,thier opinions carries more weight in the town...
Would you feel a little envy? Would you ask yourself why don't we have all that stuff? What did we do wrong?
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I get pissed when I see old white ladies getting searched, because some are to politicaly correct to target Arabs...
It would be the same if the Brits targeted Arabs,Africans, etc when looking for the IRA- most would be Irish!
I'm still waiting for the Arab community in the US to take out full-page ads in the papers declaring thier support for the war on terrorism....

[Kid Dynamite]

the fact is not all americans are stupid aroogant fat bush lovers. But not all arabs are terrorists. And alot of americans need to think about what their government did to warrant terrorist actions against them. Too many people are prepared to think "terrorists attacked us because they're muslims and they hate the west" America has a long history of intervention in the middle east that people readily ignore in favour of believing what they're told by the people in charge.

[sbskico1]

how about the Brits in the middle east? They used to scare the arabs with threats of pouring pig's blood on their dead bodies if they commit crimes....
could the US develop a pig's blood bomb?

by the way I made hundreds of copies of the cartoon of Muhammad with the bomb on his head to pass out....did you know he raped his child bride?

[UnViaje]

what else is new

[Shelbay]

Keep it real fella.
The way the US goverment got into power was dubious to say the least, yet not enough of a racket was raised to impeach Bush,, the people who say nothing are as guilty as those who actively support the man.
Thats why some believe the Americans are fools not only for allowing him to get into power in the first place, but even bigger ones for not ousting him from his position of power.
True,True! The protests in the 60's and 70's did help stop that war....public opinion...nothing is done like that now except for Ms. Sheehan being persistant..and you see where its got her.

[anycraic]

how about the Brits in the middle east? They used to scare the arabs with threats of pouring pig's blood on their dead bodies if they commit crimes....
could the US develop a pig's blood bomb?

by the way I made hundreds of copies of the cartoon of Muhammad with the bomb on his head to pass out....did you know he raped his child bride?

well god fucked mary without her asking, after destroying the tower of babel and killing millions of egyptians with plagues... then the christians burned 6 million 'witches' and expelled the jews from europe in the middle ages in HIS name, when the vatican set out to exterminate all non catholics from the face of the earth, whereupon the crusades were declared and good christian folk basically raped and pillaged muslims for the next 500 years until someone said 'hang on a second this is bullshit'.

i fear in these times no one will say 'hang on a second this is bullshit'.

behold the truth....http://www.memri.org/

[beachguy in thongs]

At college, I partied with a couple English guys, studying abroad, and both of them were assholes. Of course, it was their first time ever playing Asshole, or Presidents and Assholes.

[TakeFlight]

well god fucked mary without her asking, after destroying the tower of babel and killing millions of egyptians with plagues... then the christians burned 6 million 'witches' and expelled the jews from europe in the middle ages in HIS name, when the vatican set out to exterminate all non catholics from the face of the earth, whereupon the crusades were declared and good christian folk basically raped and pillaged muslims for the next 500 years until someone said 'hang on a second this is bullshit'.

i fear in these times no one will say 'hang on a second this is bullshit'.

behold the truth....http://www.memri.org/

how do you know that site isnt just a hoax? did they have warnings of previous attacks?? If its true i say bring it the fuck on, come get some already

[sbskico1]

True,True! The protests in the 60's and 70's did help stop that war....public opinion...nothing is done like that now except for Ms. Sheehan being persistant..and you see where its got her.


The protests of the 60s-70s did help stop the war, which saved lives.......but when the Americans left many, many people were killed, raped, and tortured.....one of the sad realities of life...and politics..I guess

[BC Grower]

>>>>Some of us, the ones that are educated about the outside world, are not the ones that need preaching to.

I would tend to disagree with you there. You are just as responsible for your government as those who voted for it. And your nation is way too out of control!! If you don't like the negative vibes from non-americans, so be it. As a free voting american, it is your burden to bare.

Anyway, how much did you do during the last election to secure votes for someone other than Bush? In Canada, we have a new government in power that is starting to look alot like Amerika juniour. I feel partly responsible and feel I should have done more during our last election. I'm not content to sit back and let it happen next time and have already started pushing buttons in the editorial pages. I plan to be a full time volunteer for the next election campaign. I do not, as a Canadian, want to be recieving the negative vibes recieved by so many americans. But unless I change my government, I will deserve them no less.

[lemonboy]

I would tend to disagree with you there. You are just as responsible for your government as those who voted for it. And your nation is way too out of control!! If you don't like the negative vibes from non-americans, so be it. As a free voting american, it is your burden to bare.Are you really saying that it's okay for people to pick on others because of their nationality? Maybe that paragraph was a typo. Either that or you've already absorbed some of that lovely American flavor from across the border.

[patten]

Pretend your married with several childern, your in your 40s-50s, your not rich, but your not poor either, for the most part everyone around you has the same amount of money, goods, etc....
Then one day a young couple in thier 20s with kids moves in next to you, they have more, and better cars, thier kids have better clothes, food, and medical care,thier opinions carries more weight in the town...
Would you feel a little envy? Would you ask yourself why don't we have all that stuff? What did we do wrong?

Mayby i did not get it right, but are you saying that most americans got almost the same amount of money, good etc? And that europeans with anti american ideas is jealous?

[sbskico1]

Let's not forget that EVERY country that was a world leader, at one time, rec'd the same comments that America is getting today.
America is far from perfect, but compared to many others its heaven.

China is 5000 years old- America is 250 years old- who has landed on the moon?(among the many "first") who saved Europe TWICE in the last 100 years?
Without America the world today would be a very bad place to live....

[Kid Dynamite]

you cant say the world would be a bad place without america, it would be different. Everything has a flip side. America helped win WWII but they also developed the first atom bomb and dropped it on Hiroshima.

[graph]

Most leaders make decisions based on facts. Bush makes facts based on decisions. Heheh. Seriously though, I think it's great that these threads are here. It proves that people who smoke marijuana are thoughtful individuals. I am an American, and am proud to be. Not because of my government, not because of my freedoms that are every day being slowly taken from me, and definitely not because of my leader. With that said, I am HIV-negative, which cannot be said for those living in Africa. I am also well-educated, I can read and write, and have my own choice of religion. Every country has its problems, and sure, mine might have a little bit more than others, but at least I live my own life, and in all reality, that's all I really want out of this world.

[Shelbay]

The protests of the 60s-70s did help stop the war, which saved lives.......but when the Americans left many, many people were killed, raped, and tortured.....one of the sad realities of life...and politics..I guess
Of course...I was young when saigon fell...but I have watched actual footage of the airlifts from the rooftops when the north was closing in and it was just heartbreaking..and all the children that was seperated from their parents because the children were airlifted out as quickly as possible but no room for their parents....but who did we have to save the children and women when England ruled..America stood on her own basically so....as you said...realities and politics...same thing happened between the war of states here..when the yankess helped"liberate" the slaves..seems that the part of them also raping southern women and killing children have been totally "forgotten" in the teachings of that war...can happen anywhere...anytime...and yes it is sad to me..very sad...

[sbskico1]

Mayby i did not get it right, but are you saying that most americans got almost the same amount of money, good etc? And that europeans with anti american ideas is jealous?


Generally speaking, most Americans have a decent place to live, have the ability to purchase a car, dine out, etc. Even the poor in this country have A.C., cable T.V, microwaves, Ipods, etc.
Many Euros believe they are culturally superior to the U.S. Many Arabs believe they are religiously supererior to the U.S.
Both look at the U.S. and ask themselves, "how is a country like this on top?" Because we are a "melting pot" we can take the best ideas, etc. from the world. Many countries are fighting century old ideas about class, sex, etc. which hinders their development.
But its O.K. we understand and will continue to guide the rest of the world.

[sbskico1]

you cant say the world would be a bad place without america, it would be different. Everything has a flip side. America helped win WWII but they also developed the first atom bomb and dropped it on Hiroshima.


So the Nazis in control of Europe would just be "different"?!?
If Germany had the A-bomb, England and Russia would be gone.

Re: Japan: Didn't they attack first? AND is not the world a better place with the Japan of today?
If someone comes into MY house with harmful intent against my family, I'm
reaching for a bat, not a yardstick. You would do the same.

[BC Grower]

Are you really saying that it's okay for people to pick on others because of their nationality? Maybe that paragraph was a typo. Either that or you've already absorbed some of that lovely American flavor from across the border.

Are you on drugs? Where do I suggest anything along the lines of "picking on"? Big differences between preaching, critisizing, and picking on. Besides, being picked on as an adult is a choice and state of mind. You can only be picked on if you allow it. We create our own realities.

[Hollandica]

So the Nazis in control of Europe would just be "different"?!?
If Germany had the A-bomb, England and Russia would be gone.

Re: Japan: Didn't they attack first? AND is not the world a better place with the Japan of today?
If someone comes into MY house with harmful intent against my family, I'm
reaching for a bat, not a yardstick. You would do the same.

I agree the Nazis are an evil party here, though they weren't in the eyes of german civilians of that time, keep in mind. And saying if Germany had the A-bomb England and Russia would be gone is no excuse for letting America have it (though legally it's theirs :P they developed it) and droppit on Japan.

I think that every country has it's own views on things and the difficulty of globalization is respecting all that and making sure nothing interferes. For example, if communism works well for a country, let them have it. It might not sound like a fair or reasonable govnerment system in the eyes of your country or mine, but who gives one government the right to judge anything over another.

My ideas are based on the philosophy that every culture is different, and though you can think you understand one other, you'll probably never do really, because you're still different.

No personal attack intended man ;)

[sbskico1]

no offense taken

"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire

plus I was enjoying playing the "ugly American"

[sbskico1]

If I were Truman, I wouldn't have allow any other country to developed the A-bomb