lovely ladies!

[justaseed]

well, here is my 400hps white widow scrog and day 39 of 12/12. i have posted pics on various threads from days 14/19/and 29(i think) so i won't repost the older pics. these are all from today. not bad for a 400hps and a few cfls.

[greenmonster]

man that looks lovely...
how many plants? covering how much space? what do u think u will yeild?
i'd like to try scrog so im curious... he he
cheers dude

[justaseed]

it's 3 plants, the screen is about 21" x 3'9". i yeilded 12 oz last time and i'm expecting a good amount more this time. i trained them alot better this grow. and last grow i made a mistake and added too much blood and bone meal when mixing the soil and it had a tremendous effect on the grow substantially lowering the yeild. so this grow is much better than the last. the buds are so full of trichs that the look white!

[SittinStoney420]

WOW! Looking beautiful....

What size holes are in the screen you are using?
What nutes did you use for veg, and what for flowering?
What was your feeding plan? How much did you flush?
How did you train your ladies and how old were they when you put them into flowering?

Im sorry for all the questions, but at the moment i am idolizing you. :)

I plan to exactly replicate your grow, i have a 400w HPS, and my room is a bit bigger than yours. Im astounded at the results that you have gotten, and i hope you wont find it too much trouble to help me out with this.

Thanks,

-SS

[justaseed]

no trouble at all

the holes are about 1 1/2 inch.

for veg i use fox farms grow big 6-4-4. i start with about 3-4 ml per gal when planting the rooted clone. i work up to 15ml per gal over the next couple weeks. i also use thrive alive red at 2 ml per qt every other watering. every third feeding is just h2o. oh yeah i only use r/o water and always ph everything to the low 6's with ph up. i veg for 6-8 weeks

for flowering i use fox farms big bloom, and tiger bloom and also liquid karma and the thrive alive every other watering. 1st feeding on 12/12 is 5ml of grow big and 5ml of tiger bloom and 30ml big bloom and 5 ml of liquid karma for every 1 gal of r/o water. 2nd feeding is 7.5 ml of tiger bloom, 5 ml of grow big, 30ml of big bloom and 5 ml of liquid karma for every gal. 3rd feeding is 10ml of tiger bloom 60ml of big bloom 10ml of liquid karma for every gal. full strength feedings are 15ml tiger bloom 15 ml liquid karma and 60ml of big bloom for every gal. i just listen to the plants at this point and feed accordingly. remember always ph every feeding to the low 6's!!! fox farms ferts are very acidic!!!!! (to combat this i also add 2 tsp dolimitic lime for every gal of soil when mixing it) also i always give the plants only water every 3rd feeding.

i always use clones and i top them as soon as they recover from the rooting process and begin growing. i tie the main stem parellel to the ground . as the new branches grow i top each new growth tip and tie that stem down. i included several pics of my youngest clones currently. i stop topping 2 weeks before going to 12/12 to aqllow the plants to recover. then i move them to the flower room and put the screen on. i leave them on 18/6 for a week or 2 till they fill the screen about 75% always tying the branches to the screen with twisties as they grow. now its time for 12/12!! 1st 2 weeks of flower i still tie the branches as they grow/stretch. after about 2 weeks they crown off and i really don't have to do anything else except trim the occaisional fan leave to expose budsites. then just watch them fatten up!!!

i can take/post pics from veg day 1 all the way to right before flowering if you like. my veg room is jammed at the moment!

[justaseed]

forgot 1 answer sorry.

i flush with 2x the capacity of the pot 2 weeks before harvest example 3gal pot gets 6 gal r/o water. this time i have some clearex to try when the time comes.

[SittinStoney420]

Well, no wonder your gettin such a high yield, you really got this shit planned out! ;)

Thanks SO much for the time you spent to write that whole deal up, and once my lady is finished flowering, i will start to follow your exact method. Hopefully i can get you to help me step by step.

A few more questions.....

What is R/O water? Is Safeway brand Spring Water the same thing? It says microfiltered and ozonated.

Did you get all these nutes at your local Hydro Store?

What sized pots did you use for your ladies?

How frequently to you feed/water? EX. Feed on the 1st, water on the 3rd, feed on the 6th, water on the 9th etc.

Im sure i will have more questions, as i want to get this right. But thanks again so much for your help.

-SS

When i do this i will be cloning with Peat Pellots under a floro does this sound right?

[BukDatAss]

Thanks for all the info I really plan on using some of that towards my next grow

[turtle420]

Dude, freaking impressive. That's what I'm hoping I get... hoping...

Couple of questions...
1. When you cut your clones, about how much time does it pass since you cut them, until you place them into the cab with the screen?
2. Topping/FIMing your clones... You top them, both the secondary growths and the actual tip of the clone?
3. About how many days does it take the topped part of the clone to grow the new shoots?
4. How long do you veg them for? I think you said "a week or 2"? Right?

Thanks justAseed... really impressive. I never really get tired of looking at your SCRoG's pictures... so many buds... :) Yum!

Thanks,

-turtle420 :cool:
.

[justaseed]

A few more questions.....

What is R/O water? Is Safeway brand Spring Water the same thing? It says microfiltered and ozonated.

Did you get all these nutes at your local Hydro Store?

What sized pots did you use for your ladies?

How frequently to you feed/water? EX. Feed on the 1st, water on the 3rd, feed on the 6th, water on the 9th etc.

Im sure i will have more questions, as i want to get this right. But thanks again so much for your help.

-SS

When i do this i will be cloning with Peat Pellots under a floro does this sound right?

r/o stands for reverse osmosis. it is a type of water filter. spring water is not the same. distilled water is similar . you know those machines at the front of the market that you put in a quarter and it fills your own bottle that you brought from home. those are usually r/o filters. it will say right on the bottle or machine that it is r/o water.

i ordered the ferts from here:
http://www.wormsway.com/detail.asp?sku=FNT405

i usually finish in 5 gal buckets but have used 3gal without much difference

my plants need water usually every 3 days. i have a moisture meter and i also lift the pot slightly to judge weight(kinda tricky with the screen in place)
and its like this:
1st feeding -nutes
2nd feedind -nutes
3rd feeding -h2o only
4th feeding -nutes
5th feeding -nutes
6th feeding -h2o only
etc. etc. etc.

i clone with a home made bubble cloner made for under $15. no need for humidity domes or rooting hormones! just water and air and you got roots in a week! i'll tell you how to make one and take some pics of mine if you're interested.

hope this helps

turtle i am on my way to the park with my kids. i'll answer your questions when i get back.

s.

[SittinStoney420]

Justaseed,

Alright, i fully understand now. You dont understand how long i have been trying to get that answer out of people. It took me like a day to get it from you.Thanks for your quick responce. I have a 5 footer at the moment, so shes in a 15 gal pot. I will use your method of feeding/watering for her. you can check out my progress at http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=50299 and leave your comments. I will go grab some of that R/O water and some Apple Vinegar for PH. I think i will get a soil PH tester also, to make it perfect.

Yes i would love to get some info on how to make one, as i just bought peat pellots, and i planned on getting a humidity dome soon.

Do you use Co2?

-SS

[justaseed]

Dude, freaking impressive. That's what I'm hoping I get... hoping...

Couple of questions...
1. When you cut your clones, about how much time does it pass since you cut them, until you place them into the cab with the screen?
2. Topping/FIMing your clones... You top them, both the secondary growths and the actual tip of the clone?
3. About how many days does it take the topped part of the clone to grow the new shoots?
4. How long do you veg them for? I think you said "a week or 2"? Right?

Thanks justAseed... really impressive. I never really get tired of looking at your SCRoG's pictures... so many buds... :) Yum!

Thanks,

-turtle420 :cool:
.


1. it takes the cuts 1-2 weeks to root in the bubbler then i pot them in keg cups and vegg them for 6-8 weeks repotting along the way till they finish in 5gal buckets.

2. yes, i top alot of the secondary branches as well. this slows the growth a bit but i don't want them to grow too fast because it takes 8-11weeks to flower so i have plenty of time till the flower chamber is finished and they can be moved in.

3. 3-4 days and the topped shoot is growing again

4. already answered above. 6-8 weeks vegg time

[justaseed]

Justaseed,

Yes i would love to get some info on how to make one, as i just bought peat pellots, and i planned on getting a humidity dome soon.

Do you use Co2?

-SS

the bubble cloner is really easy! all you need is:

1. a shoebox size tubberware container w/ lid $2
2. 2 outlet aquarium airpump $10
3. airline tubing $1-$2
4. airstones $2-$4

so if you shop around you could do it for $15 most likely. try walmart

first you cut hole in the lid of the container large enough for stems to fit through and also for the rooted cuttings to be pulled out.

next put a hole on each side of the container near the top to put the airline through.

put the airlines through the holes and connect the airstones inside the container.

connect 1 airline to each outlet of the pump.

fill the contianer anout 3/4 full of r/o water

turn on the pump and it's done. just put the hole thing under a 13watt cfl or similar light.

take the cuttings and plug them into the holes in the lid. all the bubbles will keep the stems moist and they should root in a week or 2. no need for hormones or anything.

i'll post some pics later

and no i don't use co2

[justaseed]

here is the 1st set of pics without the hps on. it's day 42 i believe.

[justaseed]

SS,
here are the pics of the cloner:

[Clever Swine]

this is a brilliant scrog my friend, congratulations! I wish to reach these heights myself.
QuestionS: How high is your screen from the soil ?
What ventilation and inlet system are you using?
Cool!

[justaseed]

the screen is about 16inches off the soil.

i have 2 180cfm exhaust fans at the top of the closet, venting through the wall and outside on the 3rd floor. i have an active intake, it's a 10inch square hole with a 10inch box fan drawing air from the bedroom. everything is light tight.

[Clever Swine]

could it work aswell with a screen say 8-10 inches from the soil?and what is the stretch on the buds from 12/12 to the finish?
cheers!
and once again well done

[justaseed]

i have had the screen anywhere from 6-18 inches above the soil. you just need to have enough room to get your hands under there to train them.

with my ww's i have to fill the screen 75% in veg, then go to 12/12 and the stretch takes care of the final 25%. i also have gypsy's kiss from reeferman which i have to fill the screen closer to 90% in vegg. every strain is different. you need to get used to how each strain reacts to the screen before you can get the high yeilds that scrog boasts. i finally got the hang of the ww's! with the gk's i have 2 different pheno's and am still messing around with both to decide which is better suited for scrog.

[orangeman]

Could I use the feeding method if my plant starts as a seed and I treat my plant like yours when it's early into vegitative stage? Btw what size are the pots?

[Clever Swine]

well it seems like you could help me a lot with my plans. How much more bud you reckon your gonna yield then? How long have you been perfecting this method?

[justaseed]

i use the same feeding program when i grow from seed, i just don't start feeding till week 2 or so. i start in 16oz keg cups to 5 1/2 square pots to 1 gal grow bags to 3 gal grow bags to 5 gal grow bags or buckets. remember that feeding schedule isn't written in stone. i adjust it as necessary depending on what the plants are "telling me" you gotta listen to your ladies all the time or they get really bitchy, trust me!

i am hoping to eventually pull a lb from my 400hps. 12-14oz is what i am hoping for currently. scrog is really easy! when i say you have to learn how a strain will react to the screen i'm talking 2-3 grows with that strain and should have it down. it's the rest of the growing process that takes years to perfect. i have been growing for almost a year and scroggin' since my 2nd grow. i have 1 veg and 3 flower chambers so i get 3 harvests every 2 months!

[SittinStoney420]

S,

GREAT! I am completely speechless. Your grow is kickin ass! I will reply to your message on my thread in a sec, but i wanted to stop by and see how things were going first. I AM AMAZED! Hope all goes well during the last few weeks. Do you have a set date you will chop, or do you just watch and take it day by day?

-SS

[midlifecrisis]

We are not worthy!!!!.....E-mail me at harvest and I'll put your kids through college.

[email protected]

[justaseed]

thanks guys! i think harvest should be around march 7 but, as you said ss, i'll will watch them closely and keep checking the trichs with the magnifyer daily to make the final decision.

oh yeah i just replaced the old bulb with a new one it is the same bulb eyehortilux 400hps. only $55 and they shipped it pretty quick, here is the place. i've ordered from them a few times.
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/product_info.php?cPath=374_316&products_id=1440
i get a prepayed credit card at cvs for internet orders.
the last bulb was really old(over a year) and it seemed to be getting hotter. i could be wrong but it just seemed that i couldn't get it as close to the tops the last 2 grows, especially the last month. anyone else ever notice this?

[SittinStoney420]

So with the cloner, do you have the stems in the water, or above?

[SittinStoney420]

Also whats your soil mix for the clones, and then the pots right after cloning?

[justaseed]

it really doesn't matter if the stems are in the water or not. they root either way in about the same time.

i use promix mixed with 1/3 perlite and 1 1/2 tbsp dolimitic lime per gallon of soilmix. the lime is absolutely necessary! promix is peat based so the ph is way to low for mj without the lime. that is the same soilmix i use all the way through flowering. make sure you get dolimitic(dolimite) lime, they also sell hydrated lime which is much stronger and easy to overdose!

[SittinStoney420]

Thanks man, just took a trip to the toy store.

I got the FoxFarm Triple Set, Big bloom, tiger bloom, and grow big.
And instead of liquid karma, or thrive alive red, i got Super Thrive.
As you said, im not going to completely mimic you, just use your grow as a basic foundation, and add a few of my own ideas. What do you think for the nutes? Would it still be a good idea to grab Liquid Karma?

I also got a humidity dome, peat pellots, and Rootone powder for cloning.

Decided to try that instead of the bubbler.

-SS

[justaseed]

the liquid karma is like a catalyst that "jumpstarts" the organic ferts, at least that is a very simplified way of saying it.

alot of people use super thrive so it must be pretty good.

i can tell you 1 prob your gonna have with the ferts already, well not really a problem. i bought the ff three pack as well on my 1st grow. the thing is the grow big and tiger bloom are not totally organic so it doesn't take much. the big bloom on the other hand is 100% organic so the proper dose is much bigger. you will run out of big bloom well before the others. i had to go back to the store 3/4 of the way through the grow and buy the 1 gal jug of big bloom. not a big worry, just givin' you the heads up. i have since bought gal jugs of all the ferts.

[SittinStoney420]

THANKS FOR THE HEADSUP!

Very helpful, this is the kind of stuff im happy to find out BEFORE i start the grow or open the containers.

I will return the small Big Bloom and get a Gal jug of that, as for the other 2, you think they will last me through my whole SCROG?

Thanks for all your help,

-SS

~~If you get a chance check out my ladies on their 19th day of flowering just updated

[justaseed]

here is my next crop for the 400hps scrog as well as my other 2 flower cabs. they are gypsy's kiss from reeferman

[BukDatAss]

mmmmmm LOOKS GOOOD

[justaseed]

speaking of my other 2 cabs... here is my 150hps cab at 43 days 12/12.
it is only 1 gypsys kiss! notice the temp and humidity with lights on.


ss420, the small containers of the gb and tb should last 2 grows. it's the bb that goes fast!

[justaseed]

and here is my 350cfl cab. the 1st pic is the lighting(4 45watt cfls, 65watt aquarium strip, 125watt vitelume cfl) the plants are 1 gypsy's kiss and 1 bagseed. i've had the bagseed strain for 3 grows now and it's really good, just like northern lights and it flowers in the same time as the gk so i can put them under the screen together. they are currently at day 26 of 12/12. the last 2 pics are the entire tvstand with both cabs. pretty sneaky, eh?

[SittinStoney420]

S,

BEAUTIFUL! I really like your setup and how discreet it is, very good job. Is that a burn on the roof behind the TV? Anyways, looks great, you are going to have a near constant harvest at the rate your going. What happend to the others that were on day 42? Maybe im stoned but the ladies in your flowering box dont look as far along, and the only other box i see is veg. Did you chop the others? How close to the tops of those buds do you have that HPS. Ive got my 400w About 20 in.

Again great grow, keep us posted.

-SS

[SittinStoney420]

Scratch that, i am stoned. I reread and noticed key word "My other 2 cabs" Haha, my bad.

NICE BULKY BUD!

[justaseed]

S,

BEAUTIFUL! I really like your setup and how discreet it is, very good job. Is that a burn on the roof behind the TV?
-SS

good eye!!! that is a burn. a couple years ago my wife had a candle on the tv and it burned the ceiling. funny thing is i own a painting company and it still hasn't been repainted 2 years later!!!!

[justaseed]

here they are at day 45!

[justaseed]

a few more.....

[scobbie]

beautifull man just beautifull look mate if you have time give me a shout on yahoo messenger [email protected] as i really have to pick your brain on this method i really have to bro ,really i have to,lol

[SittinStoney420]

haha........pick your brain, i like that scobbie.

Hey S,

I was wondering if you get real tight, dense buds with the 400w HPS. Im thinkin of either switchin bulbs right now back to 400w HPS or going all the way through this grow with the Son Agro and startin my other with the 400w HPS. The owner of my local Hydro store said that i would have better results with the normal 400w HPS bulb than with the Son Agro because the ballasts dont match up. Im not sure if hes talkin out his ass, so ide like to find someone who does this and see what they have to say. Until then ill just watch and see how it turns out.

Your grow is looking KILLER!

Your Friend

-SS

[BkSkillz]

pardon me for interupting on your thread but couldnt help reading about the foxfarms stuff me myself am in the mist of my first grow as well on day 34th'ish flower for the mothers week 2 of clones but for some reason i cant make up right now i was under the impression that i could grow with fox farms grow big an jus switch off to tigerbloom thanks to this thread i will be off to the hydroshop tommorow to pick up some big bloom bu anyways can i get some pics of your finall harvested grow with foxfarms products i wanna know more or less what to expect to compare an contrast to what i have so far hope they recover alrigh i knew they had some kinda nutrient deficiency been kinda hard to pinpoint these problems wit o.g. down..anywayz safe growen fellaz no need to reply here if im intruding to much i have my own thread in closet cabinet...holla

[tinybudd]

do u have a estimate with the cfl grow on how much bud ur gonna have an how many total watts are u pushin

[Hazzy View]

if so how many times and at which nodes??? also do you tie your plants down or do you just let the colas grow through the screen i cant really tell if you combine lst and scrog???

[SittinStoney420]

Seed......Where are you?

[justaseed]

hey guys, i just started a big job so i've been really busy!

ss420, i get pretty tight dense buds from the 400, especially with scrog because they are all close to the light. i just flushed the ww's and the gk tonight.


bkskillz, if you use the grow big, big bloom, and tiger blooom correctly you should not have to worry about defficiencies. they have a feediing schedule you can follow that comes with it when you but the 3 pack.

tinybud, my cfl grow is 358watts and the yeild is about a qp or 5 oz .


hazzy view, i top almost all the growth tips at one time or another. since i vegg for 6-8 weeks topping slows the growth a bit and promotes better branching. the point of scrog is to tie the branches to the screen as they grow so all the bud sites or on the same level and evenly spaced. yeild will suffer greatly if you just let the plants grow up through the screen.

[SittinStoney420]

Hey S,

How close do you have the light to the bud tops? Do you use a cool tube?
Im not sure about cloning my lady now because she is too far into flowering, so do you think i could pull the SCrog with plants from seed?

Thanks, and keep me posted

-SS

BTW congrats on the new job, what are you doing?

[Clever Swine]

hey seed man looking good so far. I cant wait to see all your buds at harvest!

[justaseed]

i have the light about 10 inches from the tips. my hood is not aircooled but i am in the process of making a diy cooltube for the light.

you can scrog with seed plants no prob. just make sure it's female before you put it under the screen. the only reason they say not to scrog from seed is so you don't get stuck with a male under the screen. sex them 1st and you are all set. my current gypsy's kiss scrog is a seed plant. i do have 7 more clones of that plant ready to go into the flower chambers when the current crops finish. just make sure you take lots of clones when you find out the sex of the plants!

[justaseed]

well, all 3 ww's are flushed now so it will only be a week or 2 till they finish!!

[greenmonster]

r they ur scrog plants?? surely that is difficult? very stoned here so probably being real slow...hehe

[justaseed]

that last pic is the next crop that will go under the screen when ww's are done

[justaseed]

here are the girlsat day 51. they are all flushed and look only to have 10days to go at most. i used clearex with the flush this time. the oscillating fan crapped out in the middle of the night and 3 of the colas got scorched before i got a new fan in the morning! oh well, 3 colas outta 200 isn't gonna kill me.

[justaseed]

a few more...

[turtle420]

Damn it dude, freaking impressive. I find your SCRoGs a very good goal to my and try to achieve. Impressive!!!

[Clever Swine]

juicy fruit tutti frutti bastard of a scrog! well done.

[green4life]

I like your 400w cab, as it is similiar to mine. A couple quick questions though.

-Do you have the light perpendicular to the long side of the screen or parallel.

-When branches grow through your screen do you tie them over, or do you pull them under to the next screen hole.

thanks.
-green4life:D

[justaseed]

I like your 400w cab, as it is similiar to mine. A couple quick questions though.

-Do you have the light perpendicular to the long side of the screen or parallel.

-When branches grow through your screen do you tie them over, or do you pull them under to the next screen hole.

thanks.
-green4life:D

the light is parrellel to the long side of the screen. thats the only way the hood fits in the closet.

i tie the branches to the screen with wire or twisties.

[justaseed]

i have a new strain in the grow room! it's master kush from nirvana. the first pic is 4 seedlings at about day 21. they were topped 3 days ago. i held off on ferts till just the other day to try to increase the odds of females.(less ferts early in life = more females)

the second pic are my recentrly rooted ww clones

the third pic is the mk's and ww's together (top view)

the last pic is my 2 gypsy's kiss clones lst and topped. they are about 5 weeks old.

i have alot of posts about the flowering plants but all the "baby's" were getting jealous!

[SittinStoney420]

Hey seed, i know your not really posting right now, but if you could just answer a few more quick question i think im set.

When watering how many gallons of water do you use in the seperate stages. For instance:

Rooted clones in keg cups: _gal every 3 days
Once in 5gal containers: -gal every 3 days

Also,

How many times do you repot?

Thanks so much, and i REALLY hope you dont decide to leave us.

-SS

[justaseed]

ss, i just water till i get some runoff out the bottom.

repotting goes like this: keg cup to 5 1/2inch squarepot to 1gal grow bag to 3gal bag to 5gal bag.

i really don't wanna leave but i have 2 young kids and even if all this is overreaction i'm not willing to take the risk anymore. i will be harvesting the ww's tonight and shutting down the closet for a while. ss, i would still like to talk with you via e-mail. i will be starting a "fake" email address from a public computer and will post it in your thread possibly under a different name. you will know it's me.

farewell..............for now

[turtle420]

Seed,

It's sad to see you go dude... sorry man.

Please post your addy in my thread too... I'd really like to keep contact... I want my SCRoG to look like yours!

Take care seed, and godspeedahead

-turtle420 :cool:
.

BTW: Family and freedom... definitely outweights the punishment. Fuck it. When you're ready... come back! :) Take care man...

[SittinStoney420]

A very honorable thing to do, i will be awaiting your post. Please try to make it quick as i to am going to take a break from posting and growing altogether. I guess this is a sign i cant afford the house i am in now, and will be moving within the next two weeks. I will have to cut my lady early, and pack up the light, but money talks. I would love to keep in touch, and once i get situated at the new house i will most def. start the SCrog. Looking forward to talkin to you soon.

-SS

PS. Im going to have Del delete my thread as soon as you post that e-mail, so please try to be quick.

[BukDatAss]

Your doing a crazy ass good job.... how many plants do u recommend for a space 2x4 to do a scrog? keep up the posts its really good info to all of us....:thumbsup: Show us how to SCROG:dance:

[Hazzy View]

so when is harvest... i wanna see some results here :stoned: ;) :D

[SOF]

You were talking about this prepayed internet credit card? where can i find one of these? thanks
your ladies make me drool...

[justaseed]

i got my prepaid credit card at cvs and it's a mastercard.

btw, i harvested about 12oz from this grow. i was hoping for 14 but i'm not complaining. unfortunately i had to shut down the grow room right after harvest for security reasons. i am currently working on getting a med card so i can begin growing again.

[John Doe]

Justa I was just wondering what kind of soil mix you used even when you1st put your clones in soil

[justaseed]

i always used promix bx with 1-2 tbsp dolimite lime per gallon of soil. the lime is absolutely necessary if you use a peat based mix such as promix.

[John Doe]

Do you get the lime at a hydro store? or grocery store?

[justaseed]

you can get it at home depot, lowes, ace or any garden shop. it's really cheap, like $8 for a huge bag that would last a lifetime. it's for spreading on the lawn really. just make sure it's dolimite or dolimitic lime and not hydrated lime. hydrated lime is alot stronger and easy to overdose.

[Dr. VanNostrin]

agricultural limestone work well also? im using that right now in my mix which is mostly peat moss and perlite. the specifications on the bag pretty much explain what it does and it sounds very similar to that dolimite lime - it controls excess acidity, adds calcium and magnesium, helps fertilizer work better, etc.....hasnt killed them yet and its been six weeks so i guess it works just as well. its called Hi Yield Agricultural Limestone

[thepope]

i use the same feeding program when i grow from seed, i just don't start feeding till week 2 or so. i start in 16oz keg cups to 5 1/2 square pots to 1 gal grow bags to 3 gal grow bags to 5 gal grow bags or buckets. remember that feeding schedule isn't written in stone. i adjust it as necessary depending on what the plants are "telling me" you gotta listen to your ladies all the time or they get really bitchy, trust me!

i am hoping to eventually pull a lb from my 400hps. 12-14oz is what i am hoping for currently. scrog is really easy! when i say you have to learn how a strain will react to the screen i'm talking 2-3 grows with that strain and should have it down. it's the rest of the growing process that takes years to perfect. i have been growing for almost a year and scroggin' since my 2nd grow. i have 1 veg and 3 flower chambers so i get 3 harvests every 2 months!


Hey, old thread but an incredible grow. How did you manage to Repot the plants while they were in the screens?

[justaseed]

i didn't repot after putting them under the screen. once i repotted into the 5gal buckets then i would put the screen on.

[thepope]

i didn't repot after putting them under the screen. once i repotted into the 5gal buckets then i would put the screen on.

Ohhh, how long from clones was it untill you put the screen on?

[justaseed]

about 6-8 weeks. i vegged while one crop was flowering so they would be ready for the screen when the 1st crop finished. i could have gotten away with vegging a little less but i liked to top them alot and that kinda slows the growth. but you get alot more growth tips. i counted almost 200 tops on my last grow, a 2'x4' screen.

[NeonSage]

lol kinda a scrog sog exactily what i wana do gota figure out how my purple hase indica is gonna react to the screen...

[YASoob]

i see that your using fox farm products. i too am a fox farm fan and i was wondering would you recommend putting those clones in FFOF when they are ready to be potted?

[John Doe]

My clones are in FFOF And Im not sure if its any better... It actually could be worse but I just dont know cuz I dont have any other soil...
But as my clones age some bottom leaves yellow slowly untill they die. But Im told this is normal.
The reason I say it could be worse is only because of all the nutrients the soil has. Im not quite sure if thats a good thing when your babies are so young.

[YASoob]

yeah, thats what i thought too. i was scared that all the nutes from the FFOF might burn the roots of the clones.

[syrrus]

man ive never hallucinated off of mushrooms before, only got extreams of euphoria full trippin' minus the hallucinating.

But this time it was different, I found these shrooms growing in my yard while hunting for whitemushrooms and other edibles/gormet.

So after a mushroomy dinner I sat down at my[ URL="http://www.3segment.org/images/logos/0x41/DSC01199.JPG"]Desk[/URL]

[syrrus]

Amazing plants and setup, what would you think a more intense nutrient program like that of Advanced Nutrients organic line have on your yeild? What was the average weight of your individual buds and what do you have planned for the future?

*sorry about the previous reply, I was on mushrooms and didn't know what the hell I was doing*

[krustythfreakinclown]

I'm DEFINTELY gonna do a scrog this year! And to think, I've wasted 2 growing seasons without SCROG, and getting only half of the possible yield.

Gaaahh!

[justaseed]

syrrus, i am thinking about trying a different nute program when i start up again. have you had good results with the advanced nutes organic? there is only 1 hydro shop in my area (1hr away) they carry most nute lines so i have alot of choices. pure blend pro is another ive been thinking of. i am considering a side by side experiment with the ff, pure blend pro and possibly even the advanced nutes after doing some more research. i have also been looking into doing a 1 plant dwc scrog in my stealth cab. my brother used to do a greenhouse grow in arizona using the earth juice products and he had excellent results with that so that would be another possibility for nutes. i would like to hear your thoughts as well, and anyone elses who cares to take the time to share there experiences with different products(organics preferred)
btw here are a couple pics of the last bud i harvested a few months ago , not your typical scrog bud, is it?

[included]

syrrus, i am thinking about trying a different nute program when i start up again. have you had good results with the advanced nutes organic? there is only 1 hydro shop in my area (1hr away) they carry most nute lines so i have alot of choices. pure blend pro is another ive been thinking of. i am considering a side by side experiment with the ff, pure blend pro and possibly even the advanced nutes after doing some more research. i have also been looking into doing a 1 plant dwc scrog in my stealth cab. my brother used to do a greenhouse grow in arizona using the earth juice products and he had excellent results with that so that would be another possibility for nutes. i would like to hear your thoughts as well, and anyone elses who cares to take the time to share there experiences with different products(organics preferred)
btw here are a couple pics of the last bud i harvested a few months ago , not your typical scrog bud, is it?

I used Advanced Nutes Organic kit the last time I grew indoors.


It went well....


9 oz off of ONE PLANT in an earthbox under a 1000W (that's not my record though).

I didn't do any special traning or anything, just lots of topping.

Those nutes made for the healthiest roots I've ever seen in a soil grow.

With your scrogging skills though... I'd get a 2+ kit and three waterfarm hydrobuckets and say hello to a two pound harvest of pure insanity.

God I wish I could SCROG like that...

[boss30349]

Originally Posted by justaseed
oh yeah i just replaced the old bulb with a new one it is the same bulb eyehortilux 400hps. only $55 and they shipped it pretty quick, here is the place. i've ordered from them a few times.
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics....oducts_id=1440
i get a prepayed credit card at cvs for internet orders.

When you get a prepaid credit card, do you need to give important information (address, name, and etc.)?
Have you ever used a prepaid credit card to get beans??
If so, which sites accepts them?


By the way, THAT IS ONE HELL OF A SCROG!!!! I wanna be just like you when I start to grow!

[justaseed]

thanks included, i think i might try the advanced nutes when i start up again.

boss, i don't remember what info is needed for a prepaid card but i'm pretty sure all you need to do is got to a store like cvs and buy it. they activate it at the register and you're good to go. also they say that they are accepted anywhere that accepts regular credit cards. and yes i have got beans with one, i believe i purchased from rhino seeds. good luck, and thanks for the compliment

[LifeImpaired]

OMG; this just puts my shelving system to shame!

[austwelk]

a lot of online shops in amsterdam will let you send them cash in a birthday card or something if your still 'noid

[Jaxxxom]

Seed,

You seem to be one of the resident scrog experts. I use to grow sog, now I'm down sizing to a mini scrog and I've got a few questions.

Although I'm down sizing, I would love to see a the design or pick of your 400hps cabinet.

I noticed you used 1" square fencing, how many nodes do you have per square?
Could I get by with chicken wire? If so, what would you recommend for node spacing?

Since two of your cabinets are cfl's. My box will be 2'x2'x4'tall, what size and how many cfl's would you recommend?

Since my mother plant is a Snow White-Nirvana (sister to White Widow), I'll follow your example as far as filling the screen. Atleast the first time out. But what could I expect as far as yield with approximatly 3sq ft of screen?


Jaxxx

[justaseed]

jaxx, i just got back from camping, sorry about the long wait for an answer! i used 1 inch screen and tried to space them so there is only 1-2 budsites per square, which isn't always possible but as long as the budsites aren't one right on top of another you should be fine. i had 2 smaller flower chambers that measured just under 2ftx2ft and were under 3 feet tall. one had 350 watts of assorted cfls and the other a rewired 150hps security light and 164watts of cfls. i would recommend the 150hps. suprisingly the hps chamber ran 5-10degrrees cooler than the cfl only chamber with the exact same ventillation (180cfm exhaust and 2 4inch inline fans for intakes, one above and one below the screen). not only did it run cooler, i got at least an oz more bud at harvest and it was much better quality as well. you can get a 150hps security light at lowes for under 50bucks if i remember correctly. all you have to do is remove the photocell and rewire it so it is a remote ballast system, it's really simple. as for yeild the most i have heard anyone getting is 2.4oz per square foot. my 2 small chambers were aprox. 3 and 3/4 sq.ft and my best yeild was around 6oz but you have to also realize that i only had 314watts and 164 of those were cfl so getting 2.4oz per sq.ft was not possible under those conditions. honestly, i haven't come that close to 2.4oz/sq.ft although i have almost achieved 1 gram per watt. good luck with your new set-up!

[jrw]

How about your growroom. Hows that set up?

[jrw]

And you clones. Where do they come from? Motherplant or the ones you flower?

[boss30349]

Originally Posted by justaseed
it's 3 plants, the screen is about 21" x 3'9". i yeilded 12 oz last time and i'm expecting a good amount more this time. i trained them alot better this grow. and last grow i made a mistake and added too much blood and bone meal when mixing the soil and it had a tremendous effect on the grow substantially lowering the yeild. so this grow is much better than the last. the buds are so full of trichs that the look white!
For all of the SLOW people...Could you possibly make a list of all, if not, most of the supplies that you had to buy to make the 400 HPS SCROG? I would like to know the supplies such as lights, soil, nutrients, fans, and etc., and the website you bought them from, IF POSSIBLE! I've read the whole topic and replies, but I'm still a little misguided:p. I plan on starting a SCROG for BOG's Blue Moon Rocks around Mid-August, and its about that time to purchase and gather all of the things that I need to start growing. Thanks alot for all of the guidance you've given me!

[Eazy]

hey WOW welldone

wanan let me move in?

lol wow welldone

[Mr T]

Gees...AMAZING!

where did u accumulate the know how to do this stuff?...impressive stuff man

and finally....when u are cloning...does the roots actually go in the water or is it that the bubbles will touch the roots?

thanks

mr t

[Mr T]

sorry didnt realise there was a page 2, 3 and 4 when i posted that comment. i have read the answer to my 2nd question. silly me.

[Mr T]

how do u tie ur scrog frame to the cuboard?

i may venture down this root after seeing ur sea of green!!

thanks

[xcrispi]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
yep double thumbs up ,
blown away by how effectively you've used your lil bit of space man .
how long have you been playin w/ just 400w. n a scrog ? which breeder did you get your w/w beans from ? gotta give sum credit where it's due man . keep up the good work .
peace
crispi :)

[justaseed]

hey guys, sorry i haven't check this thread for new posts lately.

boss, the materials are pretty straight forward: 400hps system, i eventually changed to a cooltube for the reflector. i used fox farm ferts along with liquid karma and thrive alive. for the screen i just got some plastic screen from home depot with 1 inch holes, fastened to the closet with nails in the walls and the screen tied to the nails with wire. i used the same wire to train the plants onto the screen. for ventillation i had 2 180cfm kitchen exhaust fans(eventually upgraded to a ecoplus 465cfm squirrelcage) and i had 2 oscillating fans blowing on the canopy. the most tricky thing with scrog i found was keeping the screen/canopy from stopping the airflow from below to above. as the buds fill the screen they tend to form a barrier that restricts airflow. in smaller spaces it is sometimes necessary to add an extra intake so you have 1 above and 1 below the screen. this can be very important imo. good luck boss!

crispi, i don't know the breeder of the ww's but i also grew gypsy's kiss from reeferman and master kush and ice from nirvana. the master kush became my favorite after a while. i used that 400hps scrog in that small closet for about 1 1/2 years. i am currently on probation(caught with 1/2 gram driving to work at 7am in my work van) so i don't have a grow for security reasons until the probation is done in a few months. i am accumulating the equipment for a 1kw hps cooltube scrog in a 4ft x 6ft closet when there is no longer a risk of my probation officer "dropping in" to check on me. if all goes well i might even eventually up that to 1600watts or maybe even 2kw!

THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENTS EVERYONE

[ChronicBud]

so justaseed, did you ever make hash with your leaves from that grow, cuz i bet you coulda got a lot, nice job on the grow man.:thumbsup:

[justaseed]

oh yeah!! i made a shit load of hash with bubble bags. the thing is that it is sooooo good, when you run out the pot alone doesn't get you high anymore for the 1st few days until your tolerance goes down. and i'm not talking about just midgrade pot not getting me high. the topshelf ww and even the masterkush wouldn't even work for at least the 1st day after i ran outta hash. i guess if that's my biggest problem i should probably just shut up!!!

[lowryderulez]

fuck thats a nice grow, best i seen in a while, happy smokin!!!!!!

stay blazed :smokin:

[DoPeY323]

MAN those are alot of plants :rasta:
if only i can grow like that:o
well hope they harvest good because if they do happy you!!
how much did you spend in total for everything tho?

[justaseed]

MAN those are alot of plants :rasta:
if only i can grow like that:o
well hope they harvest good because if they do happy you!!
how much did you spend in total for everything tho?

it's only 4 plants!!!!!!!!

[BlazeIdo]

Justaseed, A few questions about your scrog technique. When topping do you FIM top, or top at the exact point to create only 2 more shoots? The reason I ask is that your tops are all so uniform, almost like a corn field and in many scrogs it looks more like a whole buch of nugs all over the place. Its seems to me that not FIM'ing the plant would make it not grow shoots out the ass everywhere and would make it easier and more organized to train through the screen. In my experience FIMing a plant, then LSTing it to all the same height, and finally pulling the shoots through a screen and tieing them down has never produced what your WW's looked like as far as organization. Whats the SECRET!!

[green horn]

nice grow just a seed. i am curintly trying my first scrog grow with purple power seeds. im at day 20 flowering right now. my grow does not even compare to how nice yours seem to turn out. but i hear your one of the best scrog growers on this website.so if u happen to get a chance to check mine out any advice would be nice. i have been doin a bit of trimming under the screen right now but im kinda scared to take to much. oh well practice makes perfect. your grow rules man. ttyl.

[justaseed]

thanks again guys, and to answer your question i sometimes fim topped and somtimes not. the reason the tops are so even is because i do intense training from the time they go under screen up intil around day 14 of flower. i try to keep all the branches/tops twisttied right to the screen at this point. i don't allow any top to get more than 1-2 inches over the screen until the stretch phase is over and the plants "crown off". once this happens i stop training and allow them to rise up above the screen a bit more. they usually finish only 6-12 inches above the screen and that's all bud by harvest time and hardly any leaf or branch . i also trim away some fan leaves above the screen to expose all budsites to direct light.

[latewood]

Awesome job. I have never had time to look in on this, but I am impressed. I am getting ready to do something like this, and I will check out the entire thread later in order to get some bearings. I have overgrown moms, and need to have a large clone grow. later

[blue_ox]

:yippee: WOW! :clap: ... this is the best thread I have read ( and printed PDF's of it ) a very valuable thread that has great examples and incredible results using combined techniques ( lst, scrog, ... etc ) making the most out of small spaces...

I'm very sorry you were caught ... I just make budder and then banana bread and brownies for external use, much easer to travel with and the medicine is absorbed over a much longer time.


Take care man and thanks for posting all of this!

:S5:

[CRIME IN STEREO]

hey there JustASeed. I've been reading this for a while now, and just today i came across a post that made reference to variations to ScrOG. Said there were ScrOG methods called "V-ScrOG", "Stadium ScrOG", as well as "Flat ScrOG". And i thought, hey! who better to ask then you. So here i am, asking you if you know anything about any of these methods. I am planning on starting up my own ScrOG A.S.A.P. but need a little more education on it first, so any information is greatly appreciated. I would also like to add (as if you haven't heard it enough already) that your ScrOG grow makes me drool, and i could only dream of one day being as talented as you...

CIS

[rustafa]

Quick question. How do you flush the plants with the screen in place without draining water all over the floor lol? because if your using 5gal pots then you need to use 15 gal to flush the plants. dont know if you get what im saying. Also after you flush the plant to havest do you still feed it water when needed or no for the last week or 2 pending when you flushed.

[Cervantez]

I really never heard of lights getting hotter with the time, i pay atention on that !!! NICE SCROG by the way bro, i soon will make myself a stadium like SCROG!

[Smoker101]

can anyone explain how you do the scrog training? For example did you bend the main stems of your plants and if so when and in the final largest pots or earlier? Also main part is how do you train the branches? do you just shove them into separate squares spreading them out evenly? Thanks alot.

[keeko]

you can start training your plants (bending) at a young age......probably around 4-6 nodes. you can find a lot of info on LST and scrogging around here...just gotta search

[R-L-B BinGall Rec.]

justaseed

f... nice crop im more than amazed!

if you go to the closet/cabinet and find my european closet...
do you think i could reconstruct it, to hold a scrog somewhat similar to yours??

couse i started with aboute 30 plants, stupid ass smoker thinkin only of a big yield...
there where not enough space, so they where stressed alot and i got hole bunch of hermies and only came out with 10 females and 5 hermies.
so i was thinkin of gettin a cultivation box with an aroponics system holding 15 clones
then i would use 4 -5 clones and make a screen and copy of your grow.

[MaryLane]

I so have to copy your set up JustASeed!

[Weedhound]

First time I've seen this thread as well. :jawdropper:

[freekshowhomie93]

woow. all i can say. kudos to you for this masterpeice scrog.

[Completely Stoned]

Justaseed,

I really like your cloning bubbler. Its cool to see it works so well for you. If I wanted to put my clones in rockwool, could I just wait until I saw a few small roots coming off and then stick them into the cubes??? Also, is a humidity dome needed for it to work sucessfully, or do the bubbles do the trick?

[Completely Stoned]

And if I did put them into rockwool, How could I get the roots to keep growing strong even though they were in the cubes?

[fUNKYcDOG]

damn your ladies look very beautifull!

[Dogfood]

Dude that's so sweet. I would be happy with half that amount. Great job.

[Salad931]

hey
im not gonna lie, i was researching grows to gather info for my first that ive been saving for, came across yours and cant really help but want to jus re do your grow in a growlab 80 doing hydroponics...just was wondering how i could convert your nute measurments for my setup:)

thanks alot

your grow is foookin sick

sam

[TheScrogBox]

Very nice work! A beautiful, even canopy of BUDS is exactly what everyone wants!!

[jaydee84]

totaly agree beautiful....

its an old post well worth brining back to life
over 25thousand views thats a lot nman
:thumbsup:

[AZCSceo]

Since I cant PM you here that I have seen so far, please visit me at our forums listed in my sig. I found you in the AZ area so I am assuming you are form here. Either way, if you are or aren't please swing in and say hi :smokin: