The ruling of Judge Francis Young

[Torog]

Howdy Y'all,

I would like to submit the following :

" Interestingly, in a 1988 ruling that marijuana should be reclassified
to allow medicinal use, Drug Enforcement Administration Judge Francis
Young concluded that "In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer
than many foods. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a
toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat
enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one
of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any
measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the
supervised routine of medical care." "

I'm thinking of printing the above out and taking it with me to court to submit to the judge in my case and and making it a part of the court record,what say y'all ?

Have a good one !

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

Do it man, I haven't seen you/spoken to you for ages man :D

How is everything?

[beachguy in thongs]

Did you get in trouble, Torog?

Well, good luck in gaining the judge's sympathy.

[BizzleLuvin]

godspeed to ya

[Torog]

Do it man, I haven't seen you/spoken to you for ages man :D

How is everything?

Howdy 3 Sheets,

I reckon things are okay,just holding down the fort and trying not to git in any more trouble ! lol

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[lemonboy]

I just read that today? Where?

Edit: Ah, yes (http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread21594.shtml).

[Whos Carl]

I may be wrong but Torog you are disabled aren't you? We live in a very fucked up place where genuine people like yourself are not allowed to choose the pain relief of there choice. Especially there are states in the USA that are allowed and some that are not.

Also wearing that t-shirt to your hearing will be a huge slap in there face you should wear it.

[SomeGuy]

Howdy Torog :p
this site combats all of the anti-marijuana myths people bring up.
http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Plus if you want any info about the real reasons behind illegalization just email me at [email protected] . I have done tons and tons of research. I have much on Andrew Mellons dealings with The DuPont Corporations and hire of Anslinger to help them hold their monopoly...

[gangagirl]

Hello Torog. Do you have a MedMarijuana liscense in your state? If you do, the law that applies to your situation would be different than if you did not have the liscense. Arguing the law is easier if you can argue within the framework of the state statute that granted you the liscense (in Colorado there are some neat defenses built into the law). If you are not a liscense holder, a 1988 ruling would have to still be good law in that it would not be over ruled by now. You have to go to the case that held that ruling and "sheperdize" it to confirm it's still valid. As for the tshirt, I think it would only piss off the judge, a bad idea. Try a suit instead. Good luck, my man. The law is just only if you get off! Really, all the best.

[Torog]

Did you get in trouble, Torog?

Well, good luck in gaining the judge's sympathy.

Howdy beachguy,

Yup..I'm facing a class b misdemeanor possesion charge.

Thanx for the good wishes:)

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[Torog]

I may be wrong but Torog you are disabled aren't you? We live in a very fucked up place where genuine people like yourself are not allowed to choose the pain relief of there choice. Especially there are states in the USA that are allowed and some that are not.

Also wearing that t-shirt to your hearing will be a huge slap in there face you should wear it.

Howdy Carl,

Yup..I'm 100 % disabled,with a double fusion in my lower back,plus I have degenerative arthritis and disc disease too.

As for the t-shirt,that ain't mine..it's erceg's..I wish that I had one like it tho !

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[highjinx]

het torog wot that your holdin in your av? jus curious

[Torog]

Howdy Torog :p
this site combats all of the anti-marijuana myths people bring up.
http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Plus if you want any info about the real reasons behind illegalization just email me at [email protected] . I have done tons and tons of research. I have much on Andrew Mellons dealings with The DuPont Corporations and hire of Anslinger to help them hold their monopoly...

Howdy SomeGuy,

Thanx for the links and offer for help ! :)

We are trying to git a medical need defense bill and a decrim bill,passed here in Texas and I may need yer info to use in my defense.

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[Torog]

het torog wot that your holdin in your av? jus curious

Howdy highjinx,

It's a beer coolie,with a long-neck budweiser:D

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[highjinx]

ahh i see! nice man. i have one of those for 75cl bottles, it zips up the side, they'r pretty cool!:thumbsup:

[Torog]

ahh i see! nice man. i have one of those for 75cl bottles, it zips up the side, they'r pretty cool!:thumbsup:

Howdy highjinx,

Cool :thumbsup: I also have a couple more coolies I like,one says "Rule #1 If she ain't happy-you ain't happy !" and another says:"Only the Paranoid Survive" and another one that says "Have a nice day ! before some bastard louses it up ! " :D

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[Harvesthetic]

I don't know much about US legislation (the gist of it), but I think those are legal precedents that will be regarded as relevant in court.
advocate or suffocate! :)

[Torog]

Hello Torog. Do you have a MedMarijuana liscense in your state? If you do, the law that applies to your situation would be different than if you did not have the liscense. Arguing the law is easier if you can argue within the framework of the state statute that granted you the liscense (in Colorado there are some neat defenses built into the law). If you are not a liscense holder, a 1988 ruling would have to still be good law in that it would not be over ruled by now. You have to go to the case that held that ruling and "sheperdize" it to confirm it's still valid. As for the tshirt, I think it would only piss off the judge, a bad idea. Try a suit instead. Good luck, my man. The law is just only if you get off! Really, all the best.

Howdy gangagirl,

Nope..not yet,but we are working on passing a medical need defense bill and making simple possesion,just a tickitable offense,here in Texas.

That there t-shirt,belongs to erceg and yer right-there ain't no way I'd wear it in front of the judge..lol. As for a suit,I ain't got one..I'd probably look kinda weird in one too,as I have long hair and a big,bushy beard..lol.

Thanx for yer advice and kind words:)

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[Redbeard007]

Howdy Y'all,

I would like to submit the following :

" Interestingly, in a 1988 ruling that marijuana should be reclassified
to allow medicinal use, Drug Enforcement Administration Judge Francis
Young concluded that "In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer
than many foods. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a
toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat
enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one
of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any
measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the
supervised routine of medical care." "

I'm thinking of printing the above out and taking it with me to court to submit to the judge in my case and and making it a part of the court record,what say y'all ?

Have a good one !
Can't hurt! I would think the more judicial rulings/opinions you could get, the better. Good Luck!

[Harvesthetic]

Seems like it was overruled though

DEA Administrator John Lawn subsequently overruled Young's ruling. NORML filed suit, but the U.S. Court of Appeals upheld the legality of Lawn's action. Although marijuana remains in Schedule I, Young's decision has been quoted countless times by activists seeking to legalize medical marijuana.
DEA administrator Robert Bonner overruled this shift to schedule 2 for political reasons. So they can expect you're going to bring that up, since cannabis activists have used this document a lot, I'm sure the better judge would be aware of this. imo
all the best man

[Torog]

Seems like it was overruled though

DEA administrator Robert Bonner overruled this shift to schedule 2 for political reasons. So they can expect you're going to bring that up, since cannabis activists have used this document a lot, I'm sure the better judge would be aware of this. imo
all the best man

Howdy Harvesthetic,

Thanx for that info,I figured something like that happened.

As for the judge here,I doubt if he's ever faced a activist in his court for medical marijuana,but I reckon that it's 'high' time he did ! lol I'm pretty sure,that the judge I will face,is one of them mean-spirited Christian rednecks,that we have alot of here. The president of D/FW NORML,said that he would be willing to even organize a protest for me,that would sure shock these rednecks around here !

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

Howdy highjinx,

It's a beer coolie,with a long-neck budweiser:D

Have a good one ! :stoned:

Sweet as pie man, I remember reading it's a beer coolie thing before but everytime I see it, I think it's a flashbang or a smoke grenade or something haha.

Also when you say "100% disabled" I'm quite sure you don't mean Steven Hawking style or anything as "severe" lol..

Have a good one!

[buddymyfriend]

Hey Torog!

Hope all goes well for you! Im glad someone asked about your av I always assumped it was a jar of cannabis oil. Lol, beats a bottle of Bud! Hope our well!

Peace

Buddy

[Torog]

Sweet as pie man, I remember reading it's a beer coolie thing before but everytime I see it, I think it's a flashbang or a smoke grenade or something haha.

Also when you say "100% disabled" I'm quite sure you don't mean Steven Hawking style or anything as "severe" lol..

Have a good one!

Howdy 3 Sheets,

Yup..I ain't disabled like Hawking is,I'm still ambulatory,but I do need a cane for when I go walking more than a few blocks or if I go to shopping at the 3rd largest wallyworld,which we have here,because Sam's daughter has a ranch here.

Now how in the heck-can ya mistake a beer coolie for a grenade ? lol

I wish that I had a couple crates of frag grenades:D I reckon smoke and flash-bangs would be useful too,but if I open a can whoop-ass,I want it to be the real deal:thumbsup:

Have a good one ! :stoned:

PS: check out the SouthPark character that I created for myself..lol

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

Howdy 3 Sheets,

Yup..I ain't disabled like Hawking is,I'm still ambulatory,but I do need a cane for when I go walking more than a few blocks or if I go to shopping at the 3rd largest wallyworld,which we have here,because Sam's daughter has a ranch here.

Now how in the heck-can ya mistake a beer coolie for a grenade ? lol

I wish that I had a couple crates of frag grenades:D I reckon smoke and flash-bangs would be useful too,but if I open a can whoop-ass,I want it to be the real deal:thumbsup:

Have a good one ! :stoned:

PS: check out the SouthPark character that I created for myself..lol

Haha cheers for clearing it up.

That picture's sweet man, but I was about 80% sure you were just going to put a picture of "Timmy!" there 'cause of me being led to believe you were 100% disabled :D.


Personally I'd recommend some of those futuristic "sticky" grenades you get on Halo, but as I don't play Halo I dunno what they're called.

Take it easy and have a good'un lol! :)

[gangagirl]

do u have a lawyer, what state are u in

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

do u have a lawyer, what state are u in

I thought I'd tell you... he's in Texas lol.
Haha, his "location" even tells you Texas.. it tells you twice! lol.

[Zinnia]

Hey, Torog,

I didn't know Texas was considering medical marijuana. Texas is so ultra-conservative(except when it comes to keeping their guns) I didn't think they would ever even entertain the thought. Glad to hear they are!

Hi from the Gulf, BTW.

[Torog]

do u have a lawyer, what state are u in

Howdy gangagirl,

No maam,I don't have a lawyer yet,I'm in Texas. There's a list of lawyers doing work for NORML in Dallas and I need to find out if any of em will give me a free consult,because I'm too broke to pay attention and when they find that out,they'll probably drop me like a hot potato..lol..if I were a well-to-do feller,it wouldn't be a problem.

Have a good one ! :)

[lemonboy]

Torog you should make yourself a little more visible. Some of them might jump at the chance to take your case.

[Torog]

Torog you should make yourself a little more visible. Some of them might jump at the chance to take your case.

Howdy lemonboy,

Hmmm...you just might be onto something there..it's just hard not to be pessimistic,knowing that I ain't got the money to pay for high-fallutin lawyers.

We have a good-ol-boy network in place here,if ya got the money,charges seem to mysteriously dissappear,if you pay the minmum,they screw ya,if ya pay what they ask for - the system seems to work smoothly.

I can't imagine what the good ol boy's reaction would be,if I were to bring a lawyer into the equation,that's outside of their cozy little world they got here..lol.

Have a good one !

[Torog]

Howdy Y'all,

Well..my court date is set for Feb 28..pretty dang quick,considering that my gal's court date ain't been set yet..I hope it means that they will just drop her charge.

I talked to one of the lawyers listed with D/FW NORML yesterday,and he said that I should demand a public defender and probably go the deferred adjudication route. I told him how I felt that the task force and the fed,probably violated my rights and took my smoke improperly and he said that it probably was,but that the cops will lie to cover their asses,that it was a given. He also said that the fed wasn't going to try and take my case to the US attorney,because my 'gifts' were so small,that it wasn't worth the time and hassel for em.

I also told him that I was 100% disabled and that I have a very limited set of guide-lines that I have to adhere to in regards to my physical limitations,that would preclude me from doing most community service and such,he said to be sure and inform the judge..I will most certainly do that !

Another interesting thing is,is that the task force that came to my home that day,will be disbanded at the end of March and I'm wondering if I took the case to trial,that it would be difficult for the county to git the narcs to testify at my trial,because they've been re-assigned elsewhere.

I just don't know what to do-should I take DA or is it time for me to make a stand and stand-up for medical need and decrim ? If I lose the trial,the maximum sentence is 180 days in county jail and a 500$ fine,I believe. The president of D/FW NORML,said that he would organize a protest for me at the courthouse if I want. The lawyer said that I would make a good poster-boy for the medical marijuana issue and that MPP would probably want me to go to Austin and testify about my medical need.

What say y'all ?

Have a good one !

[turtle420]

^^^ Torog,

I wish you the best.

I think you should ask your heart what to do... althought the poster-boy thing sounds great, it's a real pain in the ass... I would guess. If you're willing to go for it, me, among millions of others, will forever be in debt to you.

Torog, one day, we'll smoke together... :)

I wish you the best great friend,

-turtle420 :cool:
.

[SomeGuy]

I just don't know what to do-should I take DA or is it time for me to make a stand and stand-up for medical need and decrim ? If I lose the trial,the maximum sentence is 180 days in county jail and a 500$ fine,I believe. The president of D/FW NORML,said that he would organize a protest for me at the courthouse if I want. The lawyer said that I would make a good poster-boy for the medical marijuana issue and that MPP would probably want me to go to Austin and testify about my medical need.

What say y'all ?

Have a good one !

I say do it! You would probaly do great and help starting putting necessary bills on the ballot. If you havnt realized it yet, Austin is a city mostly made of Hippies and Reformed conservatives that would fight for your right of medical use as much as possible.

If any of this does get under way, drop me a line and I might go check out the protest or help make signs or something.

[likemclever]

Torog..

I don't know if I missed it or what....how again did you get busted???

Good luck with your case.

likem

[spacelamb]

Torog-
I'll be thinking about you on the 28th, saying a little prayer that everything works out for the best.
As far as the legal options....I'm not sure what deferred adjudication IS!! So, I can't help you there. I think it would be great to get your case in front of the media, you have such extreme disabilities and MJ helps you sooo much. Ultimitely it's up to you whether or not you want to put your pretty face in front of the cameras!

[Irv]

hi Torog, 180 days (worst-case?) in the hoosegow can be a looooong time, but even if things don't work out great, i don't think you'd get any jail time, so i say go for it!:thumbsup:

[Torog]

I say do it! You would probaly do great and help starting putting necessary bills on the ballot. If you havnt realized it yet, Austin is a city mostly made of Hippies and Reformed conservatives that would fight for your right of medical use as much as possible.

If any of this does get under way, drop me a line and I might go check out the protest or help make signs or something.

Howdy SomeGuy,

Thanx for yer support and kind words..I may need all the help I can git !

I've lived in Austin before,back in my roughnecking days and I really liked it there.

Have a good one !

[Torog]

^^^ Torog,

I wish you the best.

I think you should ask your heart what to do... althought the poster-boy thing sounds great, it's a real pain in the ass... I would guess. If you're willing to go for it, me, among millions of others, will forever be in debt to you.

Torog, one day, we'll smoke together... :)

I wish you the best great friend,

-turtle420 :cool:
.

Howdy turtle420,

Thanx for yer kind words and support-I hope that we do indeed,toke it up some day!:stoned:

Yeah,no matter how this all works out-it's gonna increase my pain levels significantly,if for no other reason than the stress..it's gonna be a long painful road.

Have a good one !

[Torog]

Torog..

I don't know if I missed it or what....how again did you get busted???

Good luck with your case.

likem

Howdy likemclever,

Well..I don't know yet,just what it was that got me busted,I just know that I got visited after recieving small gifts of compassion,in the mail. Customs did intercept a gift from the nederlands,but I didn't respond to their letter and it was months and months later,that I got visited. On the morning they came to visit me,they claimed to have intercepted a gift from vancouver and they said that they had to put a stop to me gittin gifts in the mail. The un-identified fed,who did almost all of the talking,said that the amounts I was recieving,were too small to prosecute and he left it up to the task force to decide whether or not that they would press charges for the weed they took from my stash-box..well..I reckon that they changed their minds and decided to 'walk' me through the system. This all happened last August and they sent a deputy to arrest me on Jan. 14th.

Have a good one !

[Torog]

Torog-
I'll be thinking about you on the 28th, saying a little prayer that everything works out for the best.
As far as the legal options....I'm not sure what deferred adjudication IS!! So, I can't help you there. I think it would be great to get your case in front of the media, you have such extreme disabilities and MJ helps you sooo much. Ultimitely it's up to you whether or not you want to put your pretty face in front of the cameras!

Howdy spacelamb,

Thanx for yer kind words and support..I'll be needing all the prayers I can git !

Basically,deferred adjudication,is like entering a plea of no contest and upon completion of probation,it's supposed to be expunged from my records..but it rarely,if ever,works out that way.

" Pretty face " ? lol That's a mighty big stretch...lol.

Have a good one !

[Torog]

hi Torog, 180 days (worst-case?) in the hoosegow can be a looooong time, but even if things don't work out great, i don't think you'd get any jail time, so i say go for it!:thumbsup:

Howdy Irv,

Thanx for yer support ! It helps me to believe that things may work out after all.

Have a good one !

[jimmy5150guitars]

HEY TOROG!

Long time bro, just got wind of your troubles, sorry to hear man im wondering dont those people have anything better to do than pick on stoners!
peace torog good luck man if you talk to novice say hey for me good bless you man

[Torog]

HEY TOROG!

Long time bro, just got wind of your troubles, sorry to hear man im wondering dont those people have anything better to do than pick on stoners!
peace torog good luck man if you talk to novice say hey for me good bless you man

Howdy Jimmy,

Thanx for yer kind words:)

Today is the day,I got court at 9 am this mornin..and I have no idea of how it will go or if I should stand up for my rights or if I should just take my punishment and git-r-done. I want the judge to take my disability into account,when deciding what my punishment will be..or else,I need to see about gittin a lawyer to file a motion to suppress the evidence,as it was taken during a 'knock and talk',with no warrant or paper describing what was taken,and no calling card to contact the fed involved or even the local task force.

I would love to pass yer greetings along to nota and heart too,but I ain't heard a peep out of em for months,I hope that they are okay.

I hope and pray,that you and your's are well and that God blesses you and yer family:)

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[Torog]

Howdy Jimmy,

Thanx for yer kind words:)

Today is the day,I got court at 9 am this mornin..and I have no idea of how it will go or if I should stand up for my rights or if I should just take my punishment and git-r-done. I want the judge to take my disability into account,when deciding what my punishment will be..or else,I need to see about gittin a lawyer to file a motion to suppress the evidence,as it was taken during a 'knock and talk',with no warrant or paper describing what was taken,and no calling card to contact the fed involved or even the local task force.

I would love to pass yer greetings along to nota and heart too,but I ain't heard a peep out of em for months,I hope that they are okay.

I hope and pray,that you and your's are well and that God blesses you and yer family:)

Have a good one ! :stoned:

Howdy Y'all,

Well..I'm back from the courthouse. I was the first one to stand before the judge today,he read my charge and said that the punishment was 180 days in jail and 2000$,if convicted. I told him that I'm 100% disabled and that I need the advice and help of an attorney,because the punishment may re-injure my back,so I plead not guilty and he set a court date for April 6 at 9 am. After he dismissed me,I had to ask the bailiff for the application,and he went into the inner circle where the court clerk was at and got me one. He kinda acted surprised that I would request an application right there in the court and I had the feeling that if I hadn't,they would have just let me walk out of there without offering me one.

Now I reckon that I'll call up one more NORML attorney and see whether or not he thinks that I just screwed up everything..if I wasn't disabled,I'd probably just take whatever they threw at me,but since I am,I want to establish my disability with the court,so that if my back does git re-injured because of community service,I can sue the crap out of em.

I just wish that I was better informed about the exact nature of any possible community service I might recieve or what. Just walking to the courthouse and back,has made my pain level go up to around a 7 and I took a BC powder after I got back and I'm waiting on it to kick in,although it don't really do much anyhow. :(

Have a good one ...

[Harvesthetic]

All the best to you Torog. :( no reply needed i'm with you buddy. And if you're not making the law, they make it very hard for you to inform yourself. I say fight the power man, get that disability certificate, and sue their asses off. I don't know much about it, but you have an army of cannamen here, ready to go to war!
Much love.