Guns

[Brittoker]

Just wondering if anyone here in the UK owns a gun, not an airgun or anything, a handgun. Handguns were banned in 1997 after the Dunblane massacre, when Thomas Hamilton opened fire at a primary school leaving 16 children and their teacher dead.

I have not seen one since (apart from in the US), Just wondering if anyone still owned one. The ban is so strict, the UK Olypmic Pistol team must practice in another country.

The ban was pointless IMO because firearm use in crime has not decreased since the ban, but has in fact increased significantly.

:rasta: :thumbsup:

[justinsane]

guns are for pussies - 311

[LOVElife]

Yeah, Fuck Guns.

Use Bats and Bricks instead!

[Brittoker]

Yeah, Fuck Guns.

Use Bats and Bricks instead!

Or fists?, Na, I was just wondering if anyone still had one after the ban.

[funKinGwaFd]

yeah man guns suck! i'm origanally from south africa and gun related crime fucks up one of the most free countries in the world! there should be a ban on guns and the manufacture of guns worldwide!

[Az.]

yeah man guns suck! i'm origanally from south africa and gun related crime fucks up one of the most free countries in the world! there should be a ban on guns and the manufacture of guns worldwide!

yea i was actually having a conversation about stopping gun manufacture around the world with my mate the other day.....it is never going to happen.....lol

I agree guns are for pussies...anyone can point a gun and pull a trigger...but it takes a proper man to stand one on one and have an old fashioned fistycuffs....

lmao, and you get kids thinking they are cool cause they own a gun....LOL....thats fucking lame....like....really really fucking lame

But I havent actually seen a gun, or anyone with a gun in the uk...I cant fucking stand guns....

[robert42]

ive seen but i dont own one

north of london got quiete high gun crime rate, been a few shootings near me, local nightclub(eros) espc had 2 shootings in 2 weeks, bouncer got shot in the face (eye) but lived and on friday someone was shot inside the club.

[Brittoker]

My mum's current partner has been shot before, and we live in Aberdeen. They are probable quite easy to get if you know the right people, but yea as everyone else said guns are for people that don't know how to use their fists.

[Nochowderforyou]

"smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to love one another right nooooow"

When I read this thread, I imagined soliders pointing guns at all of you, and you retaliating back by sticking a flower in the end of their rifle barrels :p

I don't really care for guns much. Don't really have a use for one really. I have an air pellet gun, but that's just made for fun as I don't harm any innocent living things with it.

I do think handguns should be banned though. Those guns aren't a hunting gun and they are designed for one purpose, and that's to kill. I think law offiicials should be allowed those kinds of guns. If you're worried about protection, there are much better options. Use a pellet gun. Won't kill, but one powerful enough with metal pellets and some power, will hurt an intruder without a hitch. Baseball bat, pepper spray, knives (smaller knives). All kinds of shit.

[robert42]

My mum's current partner has been shot before, and we live in Aberdeen. They are probable quite easy to get if you know the right people, but yea as everyone else said guns are for people that don't know how to use their fists.

yea my mums friends husband was shot 1minute from my house last year with a shotgun but he lived, ouch

[Az.]

"smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to love one another right nooooow"

When I read this thread, I imagined soliders pointing guns at all of you, and you retaliating back by sticking a flower in the end of their rifle barrels :p

I don't really care for guns much. Don't really have a use for one really. I have an air pellet gun, but that's just made for fun as I don't harm any innocent living things with it.

I do think handguns should be banned though. Those guns aren't a hunting gun and they are designed for one purpose, and that's to kill. I think law offiicials should be allowed those kinds of guns. If you're worried about protection, there are much better options. Use a pellet gun. Won't kill, but one powerful enough with metal pellets and some power, will hurt an intruder without a hitch. Baseball bat, pepper spray, knives (smaller knives). All kinds of shit.

agree to a certain extent....although i think if you want to hunt you should be made to use spears instead of guns....old skool! lol...seriously.

And i dont know about police having guns either.....the english police dont have guns....and they seem to do just fine.....guns seem to cause more problems than fix things.

[Brittoker]

the english police dont have guns.

At Heathrow and they do.

[hipEstoner]

fuck guns,,, use a knife,
lol

[spatte21]

itd be stupid to stop making guns, gun bans are stupid as well. With no guns, the people of the country are left defenseless to all the crazies out there as well as the government itself. Thank goodness for the 2nd amendment

[Alcoholic9]

It's better to have a gun and not need it, than to need a gun and not have it.

[Easy Roller]

Guns don't suck!

Guns are wicked!

But I wouldn't use one on anybody......or a knife.....Hands only ....[maybe a kosh or knuckle duster if there's more than one badguy]

Truth is it ain't smart to pull a knife out because you probably won't use it and if you do it's gonna get MESSY!!!! Once you've knifed someone you're in big trouble!!

If your gonna use a weapon use a kosh or a thin steal rod etc...the best tool to use for cleaning house!

[hipEstoner]

its better to have a penis and not use it than have pussy and no penis

[Guinevere]

Guns? Fuck that.
I prefer to use a hack saw for when I'm in conflict with another for my objective in combat is decapatation.:thumbsup:

[Az.]

At Heathrow and they do.

huh? Yeah they might do at heathrow.....but they dont when they go on patrol....

and spatte21.....thats why i said we were talking about"stopping gun manufacturing AROUND THE WORLD" ...you know.....so that guns dont exist anymore.....and if they did they would be blindingly obvious so no-one would dare use one.

Why do you think guns are wicked? They dont benefit anyone....just create more problems.

Fuck weapons....they are for losers who need somthing to hide behind....one on one fights is the way forward....but people are to scared to get beaten up so they have to go and get a gun or a knife and get back at the other person....its fucking lame.....

But that is just my 2cents

[Brittoker]

huh? Yeah they might do at heathrow.....but they dont when they go on patrol....

Wrongo mate, how did this happen? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4713753.stm

[Alcoholic9]

its better to have a penis and not use it than have pussy and no penis

Meh whatever.

All I know is if the "shit jumps off" I'll be able to return fire. But hey, maybe you can run up to the guy shooting at you and convince him to put down the gun and fight you like a man. :D

[Az.]

Wrongo mate, how did this happen? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4713753.stm

oh yea! How True....

Weird.....when did they get guns? Is it all police that carry them?

LOL I must be a bit behind the times.....

:)

[Nochowderforyou]

What about those cops that shot that bombing suspect in England?

I don't like guns. Pictures tell why.

[Brittoker]

oh yea! How True....

Weird.....when did they get guns? Is it all police that carry them?

LOL I must be a bit behind the times.....

:)

After the London bombings in the summer, I think it's just in London though.

[Whos Carl]

Just to clear something up. General police in the UK DO NOT carry guns with them when they are working. They have back up police that carry guns but these "trojan units" are only dispatched when is absolutely neccessary such as a kidnapping involving firearms or such like.

[LOVElife]

Yeah, listen to this man!! It's called Armed Response, not all Police Officers in England carry them!
Just to clear something up. General police in the UK DO NOT carry guns with them when they are working. They have back up police that carry guns but these "trojan units" are only dispatched when is absolutely neccessary such as a kidnapping involving firearms or such like.

[Brittoker]

Lol have you heard of what they are thinking of introducing............stun guns
GENIOUS

[Nochowderforyou]

Lol have you heard of what they are thinking of introducing............stun guns
GENIOUS

They have those here and a man died a few weeks ago from getting hit by one by police, so, I guess they're not so good for the body.

Rubber bullets I think would be best.

[Az.]

Yea rubber bullets are probly the best thing....

i dont know if anyone has seen (and its slightly off topic) "the longest yard"?
but there is a riot in the food hall place....so one of the gards simply throws this grenade thing down to where they are all rioting and it explodes and shoots loads of rubber bullets everywhere.....and every single person dives for cover.....lol...i know its a film but i just thought it was pretty cool.

But yea cheers for clearing up who has guns and who doesnt

[bonsaiguy]

Sorry but I have to add this old cliche...guns don't kill people, people kill people
much like dicks don't rape people, people rape people.
Sadly, with or without guns, people always have and probably always will kill other people. This is evidenced by the number of prison inmates who are killed with spoons, clubs, fists and feet and even toothbrushes. I like my handgun. I'm not fooled in to thinking I can get to it before a burglar can or that it is a great way to defend my home and hearth. That's not the reason I bought it. I enjoy shooting for sport as in target shooting. I used to hunt with a gun, then switched to bow and arrow. Then I pretty much quit hunting because It's too much like work. ;)
I grew up around guns and was taught to have a great deal of respect for them as well as for the laws. Taking peoples guns away does not do anything to reduce crime. Education reduces crime, incarceration reduces crime, rehabilitation works for some criminals but not for all of them. But it mostly comes down to people who have no respect for life that kill other people. Guns are just a means to an end.
And by the way, some people do hunt with handguns. Most states in the US either consider it legal or have a special season for handgun hunting. I have known people who hunt bears with bow and arrow but would not do it unless they also carried a sidearm, just in case.

[BongSmokityDuo]

I got a job fundraising for the NRA for about two days before I got tired of calling stupid hillbillies and trying to get a rise out of them by claiming the UN was going to come in and steal all their guns. The people I called on the phone here in the US were fucking retards. I don't want any of them to have guns. Movies have taught me that guns are badass, don't get me wrong, but I don't think anybody really needs to have a handgun. Thousands of people die from them in the US every year, how many people die in England from Handguns? I saw a statistic that was somewhere around 15

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

I have a .44 Desert Eagle converted to fire 8mm blanks. I've tried my hardest to unblock the barrel, but that shit ain't happening!

I've shot some "real" guns over here at a shooting range, just .22lr's, but the guys there had a nice array of weaponary. There was a 7.62mm bolt action target rifle (used for 600yard ranges) and one guy had the most beautiful Walther lever action .357 rifle I'd ever seen, it was sweet.

I own apart from my Deagle, a .177 co2 powered Beretta 92FS and .177 spring powered BSA (Lightning) rifle with scope and silencer.

I want to go back to America to bust some caps though :D

[Brittoker]

Yea, My Dad lives in America, he has a 44 Magnum in the safe in his room, never been used though.

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

Yea, My Dad lives in America, he has a 44 Magnum in the safe in his room, never been used though.
Bullet cases brought back from the US and me with a Smith & Wesson 500 :D

[bonsaiguy]

I got a job fundraising for the NRA for about two days before I got tired of calling stupid hillbillies and trying to get a rise out of them by claiming the UN was going to come in and steal all their guns. The people I called on the phone here in the US were fucking retards. I don't want any of them to have guns. Movies have taught me that guns are badass, don't get me wrong, but I don't think anybody really needs to have a handgun. Thousands of people die from them in the US every year, how many people die in England from Handguns? I saw a statistic that was somewhere around 15
Nobody "needs" to have a handgun just like nobody "needs" to have a television or a computer or a credit card.
The NRA is nothing more that a political lobbying front group for the self serving few at the top of their "food chain". I never have and never will give them a dime of my money. They are as nutty as PETA. I don't have any of their stickers or posters on my cars or house. The best defensive weapons are the ones that the bad guys DON"T know that you have. And you're right, a lot of those NRA members are hillbilly retards. The upper echelons of the NRA don't give a rats ass about protecting our rights, they only care about money and power.

[Brittoker]

I know this is kinda off topic but even security guards in cinema's (theatre for the americans) in America carry guns, While were talking about guns, anyone ever seen bolwing for columbine with michael moore?

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

I know this is kinda off topic but even security guards in cinema's (theatre for the americans) in America carry guns, While were talking about guns, anyone ever seen bolwing for columbine with michael moore?

Yeah I have, and also that other school shooting where the Boomtown Rats made the "I don't like monday" song about it, a documentary about that was on the other week, it was very interesting.


See, that's how you get your 15 minutes of fame, you sit in your house and shoot the fuck out of a school, you'll be infamous :D

[BongSmokityDuo]

You're right Bonsai, obviously they're in it for the money. So was I, thought I could handle the job but it just sucked. People might not need their televisions or credit cards or computers--but how can you compare those things to guns? Hopefully I don't actually have to point out the differences between them...

[Brittoker]

Yeah I have, and also that other school shooting where the Boomtown Rats made the "I don't like monday" song about it, a documentary about that was on the other week, it was very interesting.


See, that's how you get your 15 minutes of fame, you sit in your house and shoot the fuck out of a school, you'll be infamous :D

Oh yea about that nutter Brenda Spencer that took her Dads gun to school and shot heaps of folk because "she didn't like Mondays" rrrrrrrrrriiiiiggggggght.

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

Oh yea about that nutter Brenda Spencer that took her Dads gun to school and shot heaps of folk because "she didn't like Mondays" rrrrrrrrrriiiiiggggggght.

Nope, she got bought a .22lr for Christmas by her Dad, she sat in her lounge across the road from a school and fired about 180 rounds at the school.

[Brittoker]

People have offered me guns before, It's just I'm not really interested, and to tell the truth I doubt I would use it unless, I absolutly had to. I would sooner use my fists.

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

People have offered me guns before, It's just I'm not really interested, and to tell the truth I doubt I would use it unless, I absolutly had to. I would sooner use my fists.

Same here, I've never taken my guns outside of the house, apart from to a shooting club.

They do come in handy though, one day a while ago 3 chavs were walking towards me on the street and one started mouthing off at me, his mate said to him "Oi, leave him alone, he's the kid with the guns" and his frien backed away looking embarrassed and worried haha :p

[da haze meister]

ok... to all that bash guns, fuck off.
as someone else said, guns are only means to an end. people get killed many other ways. more people are killed by cars than guns every year, but do we revoke the cars? hell no. i own an assortment of weapons. my HnK USP Compact, the trigger just broke yesterday, my brand new Kimber m1911 .45, a SIGpro SP2009 9mm also with a .22lr conversion kit, an Auto Ordnance m1911 .45 cal, used to have a Glock 19c, i have a romanian AK47 with a 90 rd. drum magazine, and last but definitely not least, my M14 .30-06 with a 10x tasco on it, and converted to fullauto or semiauto.
EDIT: I also got a Mossberg 500 Persuader 12 Gauge, a 20 Gauge Semi Automatic, and a .30-06 Bolt Action, of some sort, I dont know what brand.

[da haze meister]

ok i have never shot someone, but my best friend was shot in the chest last year, and he was also hit by a tazer, as i was, and he said the tazer actually was worse, as in more painful. i doubt that, but thats what he said.
i own these guns for personal protection as well as fun, as i go to the range very often. with the m14, i can consistently put 1 inch groups, even one-holes, at 300-400 yards. beat that, A-Rabs!! I am by no means a redneck, i am well educated, i have a 3.47 GPA and am in all honors or AP classes, and i keep my weapons locked up and unloaded in my room. except for the SigPro, which i keep loaded, in .22 form, next to my bed, with a trigger lock/block on it.

[BongSmokityDuo]

I wonder if I ever called da haze meister

[Brittoker]

Same here, I've never taken my guns outside of the house, apart from to a shooting club.

They do come in handy though, one day a while ago 3 chavs were walking towards me on the street and one started mouthing off at me, his mate said to him "Oi, leave him alone, he's the kid with the guns" and his frien backed away looking embarrassed and worried haha :p

Lmao, nice one, you should have smacked the chav though. :thumbsup:

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

Lmao, nice one, you should have smacked the chav though. :thumbsup:

Nah that was back in the day when I wouldn't have wanted a fight... all the chavs around here are my age so I'll just walk down the street and stare a group of 20 out and just walk off without looking back once, that's how conviced I am that they're pussies!

[Az.]

ok... to all that bash guns, fuck off.
as someone else said, guns are only means to an end. people get killed many other ways. more people are killed by cars than guns every year, but do we revoke the cars? hell no.
LMAO
I also HATE cars......lol....to be honest, I'm really not too fond of the society I live in....full of horrible, selfish people......

.....actually sitting here thinking about it.....I think i hate the way society is headed.....society is shit at the moment and i believe its going to get worse....

lol...im not bitching or anything....just a bit saddened....but hey...what can you do

^^^^
Random post...lol

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

LMAO
I also hate cars......lol....to be honest, I'm really not too fond of the society I live in....full of horrible, selfish people......

.....actually sitting here thinking about it.....I think i hate the way society is headed.....society is shit at the moment and i believe its going to get worse....

lol...im not bitching or anything....just a bit saddened....but hey...what can you do

^^^^
Random post...lol

England is going so far downhill, it can't be saved mate... is Jersey going down too then?

[Brittoker]

LMAO
I also HATE cars......lol....to be honest, I'm really not too fond of the society I live in....full of horrible, selfish people......

.....actually sitting here thinking about it.....I think i hate the way society is headed.....society is shit at the moment and i believe its going to get worse....

lol...im not bitching or anything....just a bit saddened....but hey...what can you do

^^^^
Random post...lol

Yea agreed, I reckon there should be another Noah's ark type scenario, but all the MJ plants and all other living basics should be saved.

[tadaa]

The fact is that even if you ban guns criminals aren't going to give them up. If you take them away from law abidin citizens then the only people with guns are outlaws, and citizens are completely defenseless. Thank God I live in America and I have the right and ability to protect myself from criminals.

[Az.]

England is going so far downhill, it can't be saved mate... is Jersey going down too then?

yup....gun crime is still absolute 0
there are still only a couple of murders a year....

but you can tell its getting worse.....its only matter of time till people here get their hands on guns....and then all hell is going to break loose....lol


Yea agreed, I reckon there should be another Noah's ark type scenario, but all the MJ plants and all other living basics should be saved.

I would be SOOOO Happy if that were to happen....I was actually thinking yeterday about mankind being wiped out.....and the sooner the better imo....the earth will be able to heal its self and the other animals we share this place with will be far better off....

I do actually wish this would happen......with only a couple of hundred humans surviving....and having to revert back to technology-less life....thats the life I want to live.

LOL.....if only :)


The fact is that even if you ban guns criminals aren't going to give them up. If you take them away from law abidin citizens then the only people with guns are outlaws, and citizens are completely defenseless. Thank God I live in America and I have the right and ability to protect myself from criminals.

Thats why I said stop the manufacture worldwide.....for the second time....

Someone could buyout all the major gun manufacturers and then shut down the factories....although this would never workj as i also said.....lol....bit hypocritical there......lol.....

Im just dreaming today.............

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

yup....gun crime is still absolute 0
there are still only a couple of murders a year....

but you can tell its getting worse.....its only matter of time till people here get their hands on guns....and then all hell is going to break loose....lol



I would be SOOOO Happy if that were to happen....I was actually thinking yeterday about mankind being wiped out.....and the sooner the better imo....the earth will be able to heal its self and the other animals we share this place with will be far better off....

I do actually wish this would happen......with only a couple of hundred humans surviving....and having to revert back to technology-less life....thats the life I want to live.

LOL.....if only :)



Thats why I said stop the manufacture worldwide.....for the second time....

Someone could buyout all the major gun manufacturers and then shut down the factories....although this would never workj as i also said.....lol....bit hypocritical there......lol.....

Im just dreaming today.............

Oh, I wasn't on about the gun control, I'd love guns to be legal over here, I was on about the country as a whole, like everyone's growing up to be a chav nowadays, there is all sorts of bad shit going on in this country, just wondered if Jersey gets any of this shite!

[BongSmokityDuo]

FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all firearm-related deaths each year. A gun in the home is 4 times more likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11 times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be used in self-defense.
-A Kellerman, et al. Journal of Trauma, August 1998; Kellerman AL, Lee RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of Firearm Injuries." Annu.Rev Public Health. 1991; 12:17-40.)

You aren't protecting yourself with your guns, you're just being selfish.

FACT: A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by 3 times and the risk of suicide by 5 times compared to homes where no gun is present.
-Kellerman AL, Rivara FP, Somes G, et al. "Suicide in the Home in Relation to Gun Ownership." NEJM. 1992; 327(7):467-472


FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:

* 373 people in Germany
* 151 people in Canada
* 57 people in Australia
* 19 people in Japan
* 54 people in England and Wales, and
* 11,789 people in the United States

that's ridiculous

[Az.]

Oh, I wasn't on about the gun control, I'd love guns to be legal over here, I was on about the country as a whole, like everyone's growing up to be a chav nowadays, there is all sorts of bad shit going on in this country, just wondered if Jersey gets any of this shite!

Oh right....yeah sorry

Yea all the kids are growing up to be chavs.....about 68% of people under 21 here are chavs....pill popping, foul mouthed, short haired....but they are all talk.....hardly hardly ever any violence...maybe the occasional fistycuffs....but it normally ends in the loseing chavs ganging up and kicking the shit out of the other person, or the loser goes and gets his bigger brother and his bat...........what ever happened to free love and peace......lol.....

Sorry im a bit hyper.....WOO WOO :)

[tadaa]

FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all firearm-related deaths each year. A gun in the home is 4 times more likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11 times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be used in self-defense.
-A Kellerman, et al. Journal of Trauma, August 1998; Kellerman AL, Lee RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of Firearm Injuries." Annu.Rev Public Health. 1991; 12:17-40.)

You aren't protecting yourself with your guns, you're just being selfish.

FACT: A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by 3 times and the risk of suicide by 5 times compared to homes where no gun is present.
-Kellerman AL, Rivara FP, Somes G, et al. "Suicide in the Home in Relation to Gun Ownership." NEJM. 1992; 327(7):467-472


FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:

* 373 people in Germany
* 151 people in Canada
* 57 people in Australia
* 19 people in Japan
* 54 people in England and Wales, and
* 11,789 people in the United States

that's ridiculous

lol, so we should outlaw guns because some fucking moron shot himself in the foot? Or because some loser psycho kills himself? wow, I really honestly pitty you and the fact that you lack the ability to defend your own life against someone else with a weapon.

[tadaa]

FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all firearm-related deaths each year. A gun in the home is 4 times more likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11 times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be used in self-defense.
-A Kellerman, et al. Journal of Trauma, August 1998; Kellerman AL, Lee RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of Firearm Injuries." Annu.Rev Public Health. 1991; 12:17-40.)

You aren't protecting yourself with your guns, you're just being selfish.

FACT: A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by 3 times and the risk of suicide by 5 times compared to homes where no gun is present.
-Kellerman AL, Rivara FP, Somes G, et al. "Suicide in the Home in Relation to Gun Ownership." NEJM. 1992; 327(7):467-472


FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:

* 373 people in Germany
* 151 people in Canada
* 57 people in Australia
* 19 people in Japan
* 54 people in England and Wales, and
* 11,789 people in the United States

that's ridiculous


If you own a car you're probably 500 times more likely to die in an auto accident, should we outlaw cars too?

[bonsaiguy]

Those stats may be correct. However, one of the main reasons for this is because we keep letting people who commit crimes with guns out on parole as opposed to keeping them locked up indefinitely. This becomes more and more difficult as the jails and prisons keep filling up with pot smokers and small time drug dealers. And even in prison we can't seem to keep the weapons out of their hands because of their so called "rights". There are definitely holes in the system such as gun shows that require little or no background check and of course the advent of the internet where anyone can buy anything. Not to mention the number of kids who have no fathers to speak of and/or no supervision, whose only role models are the older members of their local gang, the inability of schools to deal with the little monsters before they become a real problem (teachers and administrators can't even look at kids funny without some asshole filing a lawsuit) because "my little johnny would never do anything bad" and how dare you treat my child like this.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe to this day the number one killer of teens in this country is still alcohol related auto accidents. And we all know how well alcohol prohibition worked.

[Az.]

If you own a car you're probably 500 times more likely to die in an auto accident, should we outlaw cars too?

YES!

I cant be arsed to go through this again though.

[BongSmokityDuo]

lol, so we should outlaw guns because some fucking moron shot himself in the foot? Or because some loser psycho kills himself? wow, I really honestly pitty you and the fact that you lack the ability to defend your own life against someone else with a weapon.

They're still people. Obviously there are tons of fucking morons and loser psycho's out there. As well as children that don't know better.

If you own a car you're probably 500 times more likely to die in an auto accident, should we outlaw cars too?

the difference is cars serve a purpose, handguns don't...well, robbing and raping and murdering, I guess. You can say you need them as a safety precaution when you're hunting bears or something with a bow and arrow...but if you want to be a real badass and fucking kill bears, do it properly like a man.

Bonsai guy, I agree, free the pot smokers and keep the real criminals in there for fucking ever. It's just a lot harder to differentiate between who could safely use guns and who can't, versus just eliminating them all together. Prohibition didn't work with alcohol, but I can brew that up in my bathtub, in mass quantities. I'd like to see somebody do that with hand guns...I'm sure they could, just not very efficiently.

[Das Boot]

Thats why I said stop the manufacture worldwide.....for the second time....

Someone could buyout all the major gun manufacturers and then shut down the factories....although this would never workj as i also said.....lol....bit hypocritical there......lol.....

Im just dreaming today.............

What about the many many guns that are already in circulation?

A few nuts in power would run the whole world just like they do now. Nothing ever changes.

[Polymirize]

ok... to all that bash guns, fuck off.
as someone else said, guns are only means to an end. people get killed many other ways. more people are killed by cars than guns every year, but do we revoke the cars? hell no. i own an assortment of weapons. my HnK USP Compact, the trigger just broke yesterday, my brand new Kimber m1911 .45, a SIGpro SP2009 9mm also with a .22lr conversion kit, an Auto Ordnance m1911 .45 cal, used to have a Glock 19c, i have a romanian AK47 with a 90 rd. drum magazine, and last but definitely not least, my M14 .30-06 with a 10x tasco on it, and converted to fullauto or semiauto.
EDIT: I also got a Mossberg 500 Persuader 12 Gauge, a 20 Gauge Semi Automatic, and a .30-06 Bolt Action, of some sort, I dont know what brand.

You're right. Guns don't kill people. People do. The guns just make it incredibly easier and more prone to happen because of quick tempers.
"what? well, I'll just fucking shoot you and we'll see who's laughing then!"
No we don't revoke cars you idiot, because the primary purpose of a car is to serve as transportation rather than as a weapon. Maybe we could allow for a restriction of things that are used specifically to kill other people? huh? Or do you use your AK47 to hunt deer? Let me guess, they're there for self-defense right? Are you constantly fending off small countries? Do so many home intruders get into your place at the same time that you need an automatic weapon to deal with them all? AK47? WTF?

[tadaa]

lol, so we should outlaw guns because some fucking moron shot himself in the foot? Or because some loser psycho kills himself? wow, I really honestly pitty you and the fact that you lack the ability to defend your own life against someone else with a weapon.

They're still people. Obviously there are tons of fucking morons and loser psycho's out there. As well as children that don't know better.

If you own a car you're probably 500 times more likely to die in an auto accident, should we outlaw cars too?

the difference is cars serve a purpose, handguns don't...well, robbing and raping and murdering, I guess. You can say you need them as a safety precaution when you're hunting bears or something with a bow and arrow...but if you want to be a real badass and fucking kill bears, do it properly like a man.

Bonsai guy, I agree, free the pot smokers and keep the real criminals in there for fucking ever. It's just a lot harder to differentiate between who could safely use guns and who can't, versus just eliminating them all together. Prohibition didn't work with alcohol, but I can brew that up in my bathtub, in mass quantities. I'd like to see somebody do that with hand guns...I'm sure they could, just not very efficiently.

Ok then, I'll humour you for a minute. Lets say I break into your house with a Reminton 870 12 gauge shotgun, you have no gun. I want rob you and possibly to kill you and your family so you can't identify me, assuming you have a family. What do you do? Calling the police isn't goin to do you a godamn thing except they will be there to clean up the bodies.

[Polymirize]

wow, I really honestly pitty you and the fact that you lack the ability to defend your own life against someone else with a weapon.

The funny thing is, I really pity you for the same reason. It's incredibly sad to me that you think you NEED a gun to feel safe personally.

[tadaa]

The funny thing is, I really pity you for the same reason. It's incredibly sad to me that you think you NEED a gun to feel safe personally.

Are you going to be saying that when someone breaks into my home and it saves my life?

Based on your logic I really hope you're no more than 17 or 18 years old. I'm also assuming you don't ever lock your doors, or wear a seat belt, because these are the same safety precautions as owning a gun. It's ok, you're just saying that your life isn't worth taking EVERY possible precaution inorder to save it, I guess some value their life a little more.

[da haze meister]

Are you constantly fending off small countries? Do so many home intruders get into your place at the same time that you need an automatic weapon to deal with them all? AK47? WTF?
dude shut the fuck up... i also believe that you are a dumbass, and you dont use simple safety precautions. if i live in a nasty neighborhood, and people have guns, thats how it is. also, i got the AK for 45 dollars at a pawn shop,i was gonna fix it up and sell it for more. I have hunted deer with it once too. got a 10 point buck. what if someone breaks into your house, or cardboard box, whatever it may be, with a semiautomatic pistol. what are you gonna do? punch him? (you probably dont lock up the cardboard flaps at night, do ya, bum? and your prob at a public library using the internet...) the people who cant fight act like they can so they dont get guns so they can try to show how "strong" they are. if someone breaks in my house with a gun, i damn well will fill him full of lead. and i am almost sure that i could whoop your ass, fuckin nancy boy.

[da haze meister]

I wonder if I ever called da haze meister
i fucking hate the NRA dude... just a bunch of stupid fucking inbred rednecks running around with automatic weapons.

[slipknotpsycho]

"smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to love one another right nooooow"
ironic how you say that paticular quote, from that paticular band, in a thread about guns... i still don't believe he shot him self... way too many things point towards it being more of a murder, rather than killing himself...

[Harvesthetic]

tadaa, point taken on the rape thing.
But your arguments on carrying guns aren't too convincing. Dude, if you break into my house, with a gun, and i don't have one, too bad. If I have a gun too, there's TWICE as much chance of someone getting killed.
If guns were to be prohibited, murder rates would drop. crime rates would drop. claiming the opposite would be nonsense. if you take away the ball from the player, there's no game.
If guns were to be prohibited, the guy that would rob you probably wouldn't carry a gun, eradication of arms takes a long time, but is possible. this decreases the odds of murder by a long shot.

If all you gunslingers want to be the righteous men that protect common sense, grow some nuts and deal with the issue. Instead of sitting on your lazy asses with a shotgun complaining about society. Get on the streets without a stupid gun. If history teaches us ANYTHING.

"No fuck you dude this isn't history this is reality yo, can't do nothing about it, each man for himself, eye for an eye...." tsssss

[da haze meister]

i never said i carry a fucking gun dude, i have them at home locked up, no little kids in the house, i am very responsible about them. not like that commercial for anti drug where they get stoned and go shoot each other with daddy's smith and wesson. what a bunch of retards. thats culling the herd... natural selection right there... anyway i dont think carrying guns is good, thats really dangerous.

[tadaa]

tadaa, point taken on the rape thing.
But your arguments on carrying guns aren't too convincing. Dude, if you break into my house, with a gun, and i don't have one, too bad. If I have a gun too, there's TWICE as much chance of someone getting killed.
If guns were to be prohibited, murder rates would drop. crime rates would drop. claiming the opposite would be nonsense. if you take away the ball from the player, there's no game.
If guns were to be prohibited, the guy that would rob you probably wouldn't carry a gun, eradication of arms takes a long time, but is possible. this decreases the odds of murder by a long shot.

If all you gunslingers want to be the righteous men that protect common sense, grow some nuts and deal with the issue. Instead of sitting on your lazy asses with a shotgun complaining about society. Get on the streets without a stupid gun. If history teaches us ANYTHING.

"No fuck you dude this isn't history this is reality yo, can't do nothing about it, each man for himself, eye for an eye...." tsssss


Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. If guns are prohibited do you think that murderers, rapists and robbers are going to hand them over? Give me a fuckin break. In fact crime would increase, I suggest you look at statistics about gun control and crime rates. If I were a criminal and I had to look for a place to live I would pick somewhere that didn't allow its citizens to protect themselves.

If I break into your house with an intention of killing you and you don't have a gun you're dead, plain and simple. You have zero, ZERO chance of stopping me.

[slipknotpsycho]

oh yea, as for the argument going on... there are points to both side....

first, yes it could protect you IF someone breaks in... but how often has your house been broken into? is some 300 dollar dvd player or 1000 dollar ring really worth taking someone's life for? if so, this is a sad world indeed where one's possessions are worth anothers life.... next... go look up break-in statistics of your area, then of that find the ones that end up in the death of the home owner or others that DIDN'T break in... then compare this number to the statistics of all the suicides/accidental shootings/homocides commited with a gun in your area... the only way you can truely justifiy keeping a gun for safety if the number of non-burglary deaths/shootings DOESN'T out number burglary related shootings... as for saftey (gun wise as in keeping it away from your family) sure you may take precautions... to keep it away from those who shouldnt' be messing with it, but what happens when you're burryign your 12 year old because he thought it was a toy and accidently shot himself? or thought it wasn't loaded, or just plain out didn't listen to warnings you may of improvised? it's only human nature to be forgetful and make mistakes, so there's no way you can garuntee that it will always be kept safe away from those who shouldn't touch it...

however, yea if someone breaks into your house with a gun, you need a way to even the playing field (assuming they have a gun and are ready to use it) becasue you stand next to no chance of being able to fight off someone with a gun... unlike movies and shit that's on tv... you usually can't trick the person to get their attention off you for a second so you can pick up a heavy object and beat them with it til they're no longer a danger. in real life, if someone breaks in with a gun, and are ready to use it.. they aren't going to be quite so easily fooled, they will be ready to pull that trigger if they even THINK you're about to pull something, if you even sneeze they may get so jittery they'll shoot you right there... even if they only brought the gun as leverage and possibly use it if they're life is in danger. i dont' really have a side in this all, because i woudl look at all statistics involved and make my own decisions... more so, if i had nothing really worth it all, i woudlnt' care what they took, i have a conscience.. i won't shoot someone cause they break into my house and try to take 1000 dollars worth of stuff, that can be replaced, a human life can't... and that's all there is to it... the only way i'd kill anyone, is if me, or my family (atleast the ones i care about) are in danger... even if it was just risking them getting a slight cut on their arm that could be cured with gauze and medical pads.. no one will touch my family, nor harm them.. and if you do... you better have a contingency plan, because i'm coming after you.... and i'm coming after you like a fuckin bull... you harm my family, and don't have a way to stop me, y ou might as well say goodbye to the daylight... because i won't stop beating you until you're literally just a bloodspot on the floor, or the police come and put me in cuffs..

[tadaa]

i never said i carry a fucking gun dude, i have them at home locked up, no little kids in the house, i am very responsible about them. not like that commercial for anti drug where they get stoned and go shoot each other with daddy's smith and wesson. what a bunch of retards. thats culling the herd... natural selection right there... anyway i dont think carrying guns is good, thats really dangerous.

I have a ccw permit and I carry a gun with me where ever I go. A gun in your house is great, but chances are if you ever need one it won't be in you house.

Oh wait, I forget, nobody ever gets murdered or raped, that's just make believe:rolleyes:

[tadaa]

oh yea, as for the argument going on... there are points to both side....

first, yes it could protect you IF someone breaks in... but how often has your house been broken into? is some 300 dollar dvd player or 1000 dollar ring really worth taking someone's life for?

When they break in are you going to politely ask them if they are there to steal from you or harm you?


the only way you can truely justifiy keeping a gun for safety if the number of non-burglary deaths/shootings DOESN'T out number burglary related shootings... a

I was raised to use guns properly since I was 8 years old. I feel bad that you lack the mental capacity to learn how to properly handle a gun and teach that to your children. It's not hard to lock a gun up in safe you fucking jackass. If you have a 12 year old that shoots himself then I guess darwin was right. 12 years old and you shoot yourself? How fucking dumb can you be.

[Polymirize]

i got the AK for 45 dollars at a pawn shop,i was gonna fix it up and sell it for more. I have hunted deer with it once too. got a 10 point buck. what if someone breaks into your house, or cardboard box, whatever it may be, with a semiautomatic pistol. what are you gonna do? punch him? (you probably dont lock up the cardboard flaps at night, do ya, bum? and your prob at a public library using the internet...) the people who cant fight act like they can so they dont get guns so they can try to show how "strong" they are. if someone breaks in my house with a gun, i damn well will fill him full of lead. and i am almost sure that i could whoop your ass, fuckin nancy boy.

10 points? wow. The only thing sadder than walking into the forest to hunt with an automatic weapon would be returning empty handed. How do you NOT kill something with an automatic weapon, when that's your goal?

And yeah, I live in box. 3 cardboard walls and a roof. I could have gotten a fourth wall, but I sprung for the high speed internet instead... and I don't regret it. Apparently I need "stuff", and a gun to protect my "stuff" in order to not be a nancy (who still says nancy? It's 2006 now).

And I'm sorry, as badass as you want to be, I'm not scared of you. I live in Santa Cruz, CA. If you have something to prove, let me know. I'll be here.

Here's my one question for you... Do you know your neighbors?

[esrabalamir]

i have shotten a 12 guage marksburg. a couple 22's... and a ar-15(my dream rifle)..


sucks that gun laws around here are so strict

[tadaa]

10 points? wow. The only thing sadder than walking into the forest to hunt with an automatic weapon would be returning empty handed. How do you NOT kill something with an automatic weapon, when that's your goal?

And yeah, I live in box. 3 cardboard walls and a roof. I could have gotten a fourth wall, but I sprung for the high speed internet instead... and I don't regret it. Apparently I need "stuff", and a gun to protect my "stuff" in order to not be a nancy (who still says nancy? It's 2006 now).

And I'm sorry, as badass as you want to be, I'm not scared of you. I live in Santa Cruz, CA. If you have something to prove, let me know. I'll be here.

Here's my one question for you... Do you know your neighbors?

Civilian bought ak-47s aren't fully automatic you fucking moron.

[Harvesthetic]

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. If guns are prohibited do you think that murderers, rapists and robbers are going to hand them over? Give me a fuckin break. In fact crime would increase, I suggest you look at statistics about gun control and crime rates. If I were a criminal and I had to look for a place to live I would pick somewhere that didn't allow its citizens to protect themselves.

If I break into your house with an intention of killing you and you don't have a gun you're dead, plain and simple. You have zero, ZERO chance of stopping me.
again such a quick but sad conclusion :( you still linger on the fact that 'criminals ain't gonna turn their guns over'. I know that. Every sane person knows that. But please consider this simple plain fact.
The number of guns will decrease when prohibition comes, right? Prohibition of alcohol triggered bootlegging. Of course. Prohibition will trigger illegal gun manufacturing. But both alcohol usage and gun possesion will drop, right? And it is completely reasonable to assume and proven in the valued statistics that decreasing gun possession leads to decreasing murder rates, right? Less people get killed. Simple fact, please prove me wrong.
So when less people get killed, you and your family directly have a smaller chance to get killed, right?
So why would you still stand for legal possession of firearms? The criminal can legally get one? :confused:

[da haze meister]

ok i dont fucking care if they are there to steal 1000 dollars worth of stuff or not, cause if so, that is 1000 dollars that i worked hard to make, and if not, it is my property, and they are not permitted to be there in the middle of the night. the same friend i talked about who got shot, it was during a burglary, but he probably saved his and his family's life, because the burglar had a gun, and he did, and he shot the burglar 3 times, before getting shot himself. the criminal is now doing life in prison, as he had committed two murders a few days before, and was trying to make some money to pay off the guy he got the gun from. now if my buddy hadnt been packin a .45, this man would have murdered him, his family, and escaped to kill other people.

[tadaa]

again such a quick but sad conclusion :( you still linger on the fact that 'criminals ain't gonna turn their guns over'. I know that. Every sane person knows that. But please consider this simple plain fact.
The number of guns will decrease when prohibition comes, right? Prohibition of alcohol triggered bootlegging. Of course. Prohibition will trigger illegal gun manufacturing. But both alcohol usage and gun possesion will drop, right? And it is completely reasonable to assume and proven in the valued statistics that decreasing gun possession leads to decreasing murder rates, right? Less people get killed. Simple fact, please prove me wrong.
So when less people get killed, you and your family directly have a smaller chance to get killed, right?
So why would you still stand for legal possession of firearms? The criminal can legally get one? :confused:

Prohibition didn't work, take a history lesson buddy. If you outlaw guns you aren't taking them away from murderers, you're taking them away from law abiding people who want to protect their homes and their families. You're also taking away their ability to defend themselves against their own government.

If I were a criminal the number 1 thing I would pray for would be the ban on guns, that way I wouldn't have any resistence when I'm raping joe smoes wife or robbing his house.

[Polymirize]

Are you going to be saying that when someone breaks into my home and it saves my life?

Based on your logic I really hope you're no more than 17 or 18 years old. I'm also assuming you don't ever lock your doors, or wear a seat belt, because these are the same safety precautions as owning a gun. It's ok, you're just saying that your life isn't worth taking EVERY possible precaution inorder to save it, I guess some value their life a little more.

Don't even try to get into logic with me pal. I'm out of your league, plain and simple. So let's keep it about the issues rather than considering each other to be naive and infantile (I'll try really hard too).
Every possible precaution? Well shit, I should just kill everyone in advance, before they can get the drop on me and eliminate all possible threats right? The best defense is preemptive offense right?

So I suppose your right. I do draw the line at taking precautions to ensure my personal safety. In that I don't put myself before my family, friends and loved ones. There are things, and more importantly other people in my life, who are indeed more important to me than life itself. And I don't forget it to justify owning a little piece of hardware to settle my own paranoia.

[da haze meister]

EDIT : If some motherfucker is in my house in the middle of the night, in my opinion, he is asking to get capped. also, im not crazy, i use hollow points or hydrashoks so that no one else next door loses their life, these cant even go through drywall, let alone go through a criminal then drywall. i always aim for center mass or legs, never head. thats just asking to be arrested.

[Harvesthetic]

Prohibition didn't work, take a history lesson buddy. If you outlaw guns you aren't taking them away from murderers, you're taking them away from law abiding people who want to protect their homes and their families. You're also taking away their ability to defend themselves against their own government.

If I were a criminal the number 1 thing I would pray for would be the ban on guns, that way I wouldn't have any resistence when I'm raping joe smoes wife or robbing his house.
Jup. And that's the problem we all should be working on, not shooting at. Get where i'm going? The statistics show a gun/murder ratio of 5.1 on 100.000. Top of the world list, and counting. Countries with gun prohibition have at most a ratio of 3.2.
So what next?

[tadaa]

Don't even try to get into logic with me pal. I'm out of your league, plain and simple. So let's keep it about the issues rather than considering each other to be naive and infantile (I'll try really hard too).
Every possible precaution? Well shit, I should just kill everyone in advance, before they can get the drop on me and eliminate all possible threats right? The best defense is preemptive offense right?

So I suppose your right. I do draw the line at taking precautions to ensure my personal safety. In that I don't put myself before my family, friends and loved ones. There are things, and more importantly other people in my life, who are indeed more important to me than life itself. And I don't forget it to justify owning a little piece of hardware to settle my own paranoia.

lol, yea you're clearly out of my league considering the fact that you aren't responsible enough to own a gun. Basically you're so naive it isn't even funny, you live by the rule out of sight out of mind. Since it hasn't happened to you yet, it won't ever happen to you-which is an extremely careless way to think.

Anyways, going around killing everyone would only lead to your death, so I'm not exactly sure where you came up with that.

[Harvesthetic]

I mean dude i hate the damn rapists, molesters and murderers as much as you do, seriously, but reasoning is what makes humans excell right? Are we really going to end up grouchy on the cough hugging the shotgun and watching the door like a madman?
Do you wish to lose that liberty? Of feeling safe?

[Polymirize]

Civilian bought ak-47s aren't fully automatic you fucking moron.

Sorry, I was apparently thinking of his converted M10 (M10? Like I care about gun models, was that right?)

And before you call me a fucking moron, just out of curiousity, dahazemiester, is your AK auto?

[da haze meister]

And I'm sorry, as badass as you want to be, I'm not scared of you. I live in Santa Cruz, CA. If you have something to prove, let me know. I'll be here.

Here's my one question for you... Do you know your neighbors?
I do know my neighbors. I felt like saying nancy cause i saw it in a movie. i can fucking say whatever i want to, you little bitch. dude u are probably rich and shit in santa cruz so cal man fuckin no guns no crime rate u must be livin. problem is, some people need to protect themselves against oters with guns.
and no my AK is not full auto, it is semi automatic. more accurate that way, so i can blow your brains (whatever dog shit is in there) all over your cardboard walls. oh i forgot, u live in santa cruz. those are stucco walls. my bad :rasta: :rasta:

[Polymirize]

Anyways, going around killing everyone would only lead to your death, so I'm not exactly sure where you came up with that.

Just trying to point out how ridiculous your own justifications are man... that's all. You said every precaution. Obviously that would just be stupid though right?

right.
:thumbsup:

[m4ster chef]

Look guys...guns dont kill people. Bullets dont kill people. The hole does. Are you gun hating dumbasses trying to tell me that you REALLY think if EVERY fucking gun was destroyed that it would be safer?

God...grow up. you live in the real fucking world. Some of the most dangerous advancments in weaponry were made out of desperation. When a criminal needs a weapon, hell nor high water will stop him.

I personally know people who can make a semi auto weapon out of shit you can buy at Lowes. If you think that only dumb rednecks use guns, you need to open your eyes. The violent crime rate in the UK has done nothing but escalate since their stupid gun ban. I personally own several guns.

I just bought a Berrata CX4 Storm 9mm carbine. I have a Glock model 23 .40 cal (yes the oh-so-evil glock) that i keep in my car. I have a couple of .22 pistols, two Ruger .22 rifles, one WITH the FOLDING ASSAULT stock, and two 60 round bananna clips. I have access to a fucking .50 cal Armlite sniper rifle. I have a Mossberg 870 shot gun with all tactical accessories, including 10 rd tube extension, and barrel reloader.

I also hunt a lot. I turkey hunt, duck hunt, quail hunt, and have been elk and mule deer hunting once. I used to deer hunt but thats too slow for me.

What do you people think would happen if Bush wouldnt have bombed Iraq right after they killed thousands of Americans? WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ATTACKED AGAIN AND AGAIN.

Gun haters need to stop looking at the world through NBC and BBC colored glasses. Guns dont kill people, sick yet brilliant money and power hungry mother fuckers do when they try to gain more power.

If ALL guns WERE destroyed, I mean EVERY LAST ONE, do you dumb fucks think some rich power hungry couldnt shell out enough money to build a small armery and start his relentless pursuit of global domination. WHAT BETTER TIME TO TRY!!! HEY, NOONE has anything with which to defend themselves with.

I mean you people think that if every weapons plant was to be burned down, that there arent thousands of people who have MORE than enough technology to build MORE guns? DONT BE STUPID.

Outlawing and destroying guns is asking some Hitler reincarnate to come along and create another world conquering army. The only thing that stopped him before was this fucking country (US). Otherwise all you UK people might be speaking German and saying hail Hitler.

If a country doesnt have the means with which to defend and kill people with, and the time comes that people are killing them, that country will find an efficient way to fight and kill with. Thats simple, common sense.

Fists turned into sticks which turned into swords which turned into bow and arrows which turned into catapults which turned into cannons which are just big versions of guns. Those cannons turned into mortars which turned into bombs, bombs turned into nukes and thats where we are today. We have the technology to make all of the above and if small arms are destroyed then men in power will turn to bombs then we'll be up shit creek without any toilet paper, or a paddle.

Outlawing guns would be a dumb move because of how easy they are to make. Take the ones that are already out there and someone will make more and for a while he will be the only one with them till the other thousands of rich fuckers decide that they need em as well then you have a couple of the most ambitious and violent men on earth and they are the only ones with guns....does that sound like a bad idea to anyone else?

Well im off to try and convince someone else that pot isnt bad for you....peace out...

[Polymirize]

I do know my neighbors. I felt like saying nancy cause i saw it in a movie. i can fucking say whatever i want to, you little bitch. dude u are probably rich and shit in santa cruz so cal man fuckin no guns no crime rate u must be livin. problem is, i do think that my hydrashoks would pierce your cardboard walls man. fuck off.

Movie huh? I'm sure it was cool. Santa Cruz isn't in socal. It's northern california, up by the bay area. Since it's obvious you have no idea where I live and what it's like, maybe you shouldn't talk so much shit just in case it turns out that there is a crime rate here... You think just maybe?

Although I have to admit. There's very little crime that requires guns to solve. More stabbings than anyone's comfortable with, but thankfully not to much in the way of guns.

[da haze meister]

I just bought a Berrata CX4 Storm 9mm carbine. I have a Glock model 23 .40 cal (yes the oh-so-evil glock) that i keep in my car. I have a couple of .22 pistols, two Ruger .22 rifles, one WITH the FOLDING ASSAULT stock, and two 60 round bananna clips. I have access to a fucking .50 cal Armlite sniper rifle. I have a Mossberg 870 shot gun with all tactical accessories, including 10 rd tube extension, and barrel reloader.

i appreciate that you took our side, but if your gonna lie about your guns, at least do it right. there is no such thing as a mossberg 870. two different guns, brah. remington 870 or mossberg 500. good try though!

[bedake]

I may be late on the argument but id like to add my 2 cents,

this is what i believe
sure you are aloud to own a gun, but the moment you take it outside of your house you should get the death sentence. sure go ahead and protect your family, you can protect them from inside your house you redneck hillbillys

[m4ster chef]

please excuse me.... Its a camo 835. I have an 870. I wouldnt have a tactical shotgun that wont shoot 3 and a halfs. Buddy I know my guns and I do apologize for confusing an 870 and an 835. ha... im sorry. I quit using my 835 for hunting purposes because it jammed BAD on me one day i was duck hunting. I was using 3 1/2" and when i pumped, the empty stayed on top and the fresh shell was under and i missed out on about two hours of hunting because i had to go in and break it down.

[da haze meister]

im not a fucking redneck hillbilly bro, i live in the city that u live in the suburbs/outlying country of.

[m4ster chef]

Also i have a wetlands camo benneli super black eagle that was a gift on the christmas before last. I use it only for hunting and its usually broke down in its case.

[Polymirize]

Outlawing and destroying guns is asking some Hitler reincarnate to come along and create another world conquering army. The only thing that stopped him before was this fucking country (US). Otherwise all you UK people might be speaking German and saying hail Hitler.


Apparently I forgot that moment in history where Germany decided to follow Hitler because he had a gun. Forget the aspect of skilled orator telling the people exactly what they want to hear and reassuring them that there was something, or rather someone responsible for their misfortunes. You're entire argument boils down to: Its better to be on the most powerful side, rather than the most virtuous. It certainly seems to be how the current war is justified.
If that is the argument, I think we'll have to agree to disagree

[bedake]

ive never seen a gun humper with a smart pro argument

[Polymirize]

im not a fucking redneck hillbilly bro, i live in the city that u live in the suburbs/outlying country of.

Oh come on. You SO ARE a redneck hillbilly!

:dance:

You can take the redneck out of the sticks but you can't take the sticks out of the redneck...

[m4ster chef]

And i hate getting call a red neck hill billy. Its simply not true. I made a 29 on my ACT and got several scholarships. I know more about most current issues than most and I can also explain things without just screaming NO GUNS NO GUNS over and over like most of these uneducated shits.

[bedake]

And i hate getting call a red neck hill billy. Its simply not true. I made a 29 on my ACT and got several scholarships. I know more about most current issues than most and I can also explain things without just screaming NO GUNS NO GUNS over and over like most of these uneducated shits.


some rednecks are smart, look at at dale earnhart, he knows how to drive a car oooooo fancy moving machine that thar is, they give rednecks special ACTs to compare them to other rednecks, it just wouldent be fair if you were on the same grading scale as the rest of us

[m4ster chef]

Also do you think those people would have followed HItler had they not thought they could be part of his world dominating scheme. Would they have followed him had he not had the weapons that they thought were needed to conquer? Had he not had tanks? Had he not HAD GUNS? Now take that same scene, and put it in a world where all guns had been taken and destroyed and you have a recipe for disaster. When countries go to war, many times they make major advancements in their fighting and weaponry. Those advancments are WELL DOCUMENTED for later use. Lets say all guns are gone. They have technology and plans to make more.

[tadaa]

Just trying to point out how ridiculous your own justifications are man... that's all. You said every precaution. Obviously that would just be stupid though right?

right.
:thumbsup:

No, my precautions are to save my life, going around killing people I would end up dead, so that's not the same thing.

[Polymirize]

In all fairness... did you take advantage of any of those scholarships M4sterChef?

[tadaa]

Prison has zero guns, according to you anti gun people that is the safest place to live.

[m4ster chef]

Us? who do you think you are dude? you can just go to hell with your other free spirited friends. I dont need guns for people like you. I only need a tape recorder to show YOU just how stupid YOU sound.

[Polymirize]

Prison has zero guns, according to you anti gun people that is the safest place to live.

Don't be stupid. Don't you think the 99% criminal population might have an effect?

[tadaa]

Don't be stupid. Don't you think the 99% criminal population might have an effect?

Well I thought you said that if there were no guns murder rates would drop?

Oh wait, lol, I forgot, you were wrong.

[m4ster chef]

Actually i did for a year, then i partied out, now im going back for a physical therapy degree or a forestry degree. My grandfather has a pretty nice forestry consulting business that i have an option to take over. I just really dont like some of what he has to do.

[m4ster chef]

If guns are gone murders just get more heinous. People use cinder blocks and pipes, knives and bats, hands and cans of chicken noodle soup. Yes anything can be used as a weapon in a murder.

[Polymirize]

Also do you think those people would have followed HItler had they not thought they could be part of his world dominating scheme. Would they have followed him had he not had the weapons that they thought were needed to conquer? Had he not had tanks? Had he not HAD GUNS? Now take that same scene, and put it in a world where all guns had been taken and destroyed and you have a recipe for disaster. When countries go to war, many times they make major advancements in their fighting and weaponry. Those advancments are WELL DOCUMENTED for later use. Lets say all guns are gone. They have technology and plans to make more.

A recipe for disaster? More disasterous than war? Oh wait, wars have been around longer than guns. So what you must mean is, a war in which we'd have to be face to face with the human adversary the whole time and couldn't simply push a button to blow up some village in Laos.

Sure, we have, as a species, made progress from our own desire for destruction. But maybe it's possible that we could make the same sort of progress through medicine, or some other science.

[Polymirize]

Well I thought you said that if there were no guns murder rates would drop?

Oh wait, lol, I forgot, you were wrong.

Are you really so juvenile?
What do you think the murder rates would be in prison if they allowed everyone to have a gun? Because that's the comparison you'd need to show to make any sense here. Too logical for you to figure that out?

I'll use smaller words for you in the future...

No one thinks that without guns there would be NO murders. Simply that it would create a rather sharp decrease in the numbers.

[bedake]

Also do you think those people would have followed HItler had they not thought they could be part of his world dominating scheme. Would they have followed him had he not had the weapons that they thought were needed to conquer? Had he not had tanks? Had he not HAD GUNS? Now take that same scene, and put it in a world where all guns had been taken and destroyed and you have a recipe for disaster. When countries go to war, many times they make major advancements in their fighting and weaponry. Those advancments are WELL DOCUMENTED for later use. Lets say all guns are gone. They have technology and plans to make more.



actually Hitler's brown shirts didnt use guns, they beat people at the voting times with clubs into voting hitler into power, you have no idea what you are talking about

[Polymirize]

If guns are gone murders just get more heinous. People use cinder blocks and pipes, knives and bats, hands and cans of chicken noodle soup. Yes anything can be used as a weapon in a murder.


People use all of that (well, maybe not the soup cans... Or at least not in any case I've heard of) now. But at least we've done a good job of keeping fully automatic soup cans and semi-auto cinder blocks off the streets.

Face it. Guns (and especially handguns and automatics, which is the main debate here) are designed to kill. That's it. You can use one as a paper weight if you're irresponsible but for the most part they exist to kill. How many other things can you say that for?

[tadaa]

Are you really so juvenile?
What do you think the murder rates would be in prison if they allowed everyone to have a gun? Because that's the comparison you'd need to show to make any sense here. Too logical for you to figure that out?

I'll use smaller words for you in the future...

No one thinks that without guns there would be NO murders. Simply that it would create a rather sharp decrease in the numbers.

See you avoid the point, the mother fucking bottom line. The bottom line is that you said a society without guns is safe. Well obviously you're wrong, end of story. The fact that it's prison doesn't mean a godamn thing. YOUR STATEMENT WAS WRONG.

[m4ster chef]

OH IT IS POSSIBLE, but you'll never be able to destroy all the weapons. To stop war you would have to kill every human on earth. And as said in Lord Of War, "your AK-47 is the real weapon of mass destruction. Those nuclear missles, they sit in their silos."

People nor countries will ever let themselves be totally unarmed. That would leave everything open to evil people who want nothing more than to be the biggest and baddest mother fucker around. And advancements are made EVERY DAY in medicine. Look up the average life span these days. Its pushin 80. Back in the days when there werent guns, the average life span was something like 40.

Countries dont just have massive amounts of guns laying around and say to themselves, Ya know what we need, we need a war to put these guns to use.

No, people think of something they want, then get the weapons that they think necessary to take what they want. Then the country who is getting attacked has to get the weapons they feel appropriate to defend themselves with. Its an unstoppable cycle.

[bedake]

People use all of that (well, maybe not the soup cans... Or at least not in any case I've heard of) now. But at least we've done a good job of keeping fully automatic soup cans and semi-auto cinder blocks off the streets.

Face it. Guns (and especially handguns and automatics, which is the main debate here) are designed to kill. That's it. You can use one as a paper weight if you're irresponsible but for the most part they exist to kill. How many other things can you say that for?



guns are illegal in Australia, to the point where owning one requires the police check up on you every 3 months

there is hardly ever any shooting deaths in Australia, knives are illegal too

[da haze meister]

please excuse me.... Its a camo 835. I have an 870. I wouldnt have a tactical shotgun that wont shoot 3 and a halfs. Buddy I know my guns and I do apologize for confusing an 870 and an 835. ha... im sorry. I quit using my 835 for hunting purposes because it jammed BAD on me one day i was duck hunting. I was using 3 1/2" and when i pumped, the empty stayed on top and the fresh shell was under and i missed out on about two hours of hunting because i had to go in and break it down.
okay okay you win lol... it did seem suspicious though...

[tadaa]

guns are illegal in Australia, to the point where owning one requires the police check up on you every 3 months

there is hardly ever any shooting deaths in Australia, knives are illegal too

If cars were outlawed in the United States there would be no car accidents, does that make it a good idea? Personally I perfer freedom over being told what I can and can't own.

Knives aren't illegal you fucking moron. Nobody would be able to cut steak. Why don't you actually read up on what you're posting about so you don't embarass yourself anymore. Only certain knives can be outlawed.

[m4ster chef]

OH GODDAMMIT YOU STUPID MOTHER....JESUS, what was that "they beat people into voting for him" shit supposed to mean? You yourself just showed that it isnt guns that cause bad things to happen. Hitler had a plan. He wasnt stupid like you. He knew if you were to use guns to get votes you couldnt get many votes. INSTEAD he USED otherwise non dangerous things to get himself into power. see how it works......?

[Polymirize]

See you avoid the point, the mother fucking bottom line. The bottom line is that you said a society without guns is safe. Well obviously you're wrong, end of story. The fact that it's prison doesn't mean a godamn thing. YOUR STATEMENT WAS WRONG.

That statement I never made? Find it. I challenge you to seek it out. I personally haven't been arguing for the eradication of all guns. Simply pointing out that they're irresponsible and in turn calling for heavier controls of handguns and automatic weapons.

Prisons. Then shouldn't I be able to point out a Buddhist monstary in Lhasa where are there are no guns and remarkably, no murder rates?

Your biggest mistake has been trying to tell me what I've said, rather than what you've feebly inferred

[m4ster chef]

Haze meister i can see how it would seem suspicious to someone who actually knows what hes talking about like these dumbasses dont. I was trying my best to spit out info because i cant type nearly as fast as i am thinking. I can tell that you know your stuff too. If you want to see how much i know just ask...hehe....i have been round em since i could walk or talk... I like guns and when used with responsibility they can be fun and useful.

[da haze meister]

Oh come on. You SO ARE a redneck hillbilly!

:dance:

You can take the redneck out of the sticks but you can't take the sticks out of the redneck...

some rednecks are smart, look at at dale earnhart, he knows how to drive a car oooooo fancy moving machine that thar is, they give rednecks special ACTs to compare them to other rednecks, it just wouldent be fair if you were on the same grading scale as the rest of us
ok guys i am in no way a redneck. in seventh grade, i won a talent search (living in northy philly) and got a 1460 on the SAT. i am an honor student, in the CITY. fuck all those rednecks, they're the motherfuckers that should have guns banned from them. inbred motherfuckers.

[Polymirize]

And as said in Lord Of War, "your AK-47 is the real weapon of mass destruction. Those nuclear missles, they sit in their silos."


What the fuck? You're trying to justify a case for guns based upon dialogue from a nic cage film? educated huh? well, that might work on dahaze, he likes movies, but please try a little harder for the rest of us huh...

[bedake]

OH GODDAMMIT YOU STUPID MOTHER....JESUS, what was that "they beat people into voting for him" shit supposed to mean? You yourself just showed that it isnt guns that cause bad things to happen. Hitler had a plan. He wasnt stupid like you. He knew if you were to use guns to get votes you couldnt get many votes. INSTEAD he USED otherwise non dangerous things to get himself into power. see how it works......?


the thing is, take guns out of the picture, say they never existed, there is still going to be violence, look at africa, before guns there was tribal warfare, not too dangerous, sure it was lethal but the death rate was lower, add guns and then you have genocides going on

[tadaa]

Bottom line, because I know how to handle a gun properly I'm safer having one, end of story. What Joe Schmoe does with his gun is not my business.

[Polymirize]

ok guys i am in no way a redneck. in seventh grade, i won a talent search (living in northy philly) and got a 1460 on the SAT. i am an honor student, in the CITY. fuck all those rednecks, they're the motherfuckers that should have guns banned from them. inbred motherfuckers.


Sorry man. For the most part I'm kidding. Hence the dancing smily face. And as for actual rednecks, i think we're in agreement. obviously we can't trust the stupid inbred people with guns...

right?

[m4ster chef]

If you want control of all hand guns and automatics i think you should learn a little about guns before posting. I can make ANY semi automatic shotgun into an "assault weapon". All i have to do is ASSAULT someone with it. Any gun is dangerous when used in an improper manner. Hand guns and purpose built tactical arms are no different from hunting rifles or shotguns. I can kill someone with my bow just like i can with an AK.

[da haze meister]

Sorry, I was apparently thinking of his converted M10 (M10? Like I care about gun models, was that right?)

And before you call me a fucking moron, just out of curiousity, dahazemiester, is your AK auto?
ok dude the M14 is full auto, because thats how all of them are. they came to vietnam and korea full auto ONLY. i converted it to be selectable because otherwise, i would have to swap out the whole sear assembly, and that would cost me money, as well as compromise the integrity of the firearm. now which is better, the gun being full auto or the gun being semi auto and accidently going off?

[Polymirize]

Tadaa, I love how you never face up to any of your mistakes, but rather try and roll on and completely ignore them, pretending they never existed...

This is, by the way, the same reason I don't think you should be allowed to have a gun...

:dance:

[da haze meister]

Haze meister i can see how it would seem suspicious to someone who actually knows what hes talking about like these dumbasses dont. I was trying my best to spit out info because i cant type nearly as fast as i am thinking. I can tell that you know your stuff too. If you want to see how much i know just ask...hehe....i have been round em since i could walk or talk... I like guns and when used with responsibility they can be fun and useful.
lol thats good man... people have to learn responsibility before you ever pick up the damn thing, jsut like getting a learners permit for driving. that is what would make guns safer.

[tadaa]

Tadaa, I love how you never face up to any of your mistakes, but rather try and roll on and completely ignore them, pretending they never existed...

This is, by the way, the same reason I don't think you should be allowed to have a gun...

:dance:

Apparently you can't read. The bottom line is that I know how to handle a gun and I've been doing so for many years. Therefore, I am safer having one. What Joe Schmoe does with his gun is not my business, nor are his moronic shooting himself in the foot statistics.

[da haze meister]

Sorry man. For the most part I'm kidding. Hence the dancing smily face. And as for actual rednecks, i think we're in agreement. obviously we can't trust the stupid inbred people with guns...

right?

exactly. im glad we agree on something.
"gosh dang it jethro, is that a deer or a wife and child? i cant see it too dang good... pass me another beer"

[Polymirize]

Any gun is dangerous when used in an improper manner.

No disagreements there. So help me educate myself. What is the proper way to handle something that is made to kill? Or did you miss the paperweight comment earlier? That would be a shame because I thought it was a perfectly valid question. I can use a cinder block to kill someone, or to rest lumber on. I can use a knife to kill someone, or to cut a piece of rope. I can use a can of soup to kill someone, or I can just open it and eat the contents. What can I use a gun for other than to kill someone?

[Polymirize]

Apparently you can't read. The bottom line is that I know how to handle a gun and I've been doing so for many years. Therefore, I am safer having one. What Joe Schmoe does with his gun is not my business, nor are his moronic shooting himself in the foot statistics.

Oh well, pardon me for not taking your word for it as to whether or not you should be trusted with a weapon. Realise, it's not your safety I'm concerned with, and really not even my own, but the safety of all those loved ones out there in the world that I'm thinking of.

[Polymirize]

Ok DHM... so where do we draw the boundaries then?

[bedake]

there has been 2 shooting deaths in a neighboring town in the past 2 weeks, one a guy shot his girlfriend on accident and killed her while dicking around, another 3 days ago a ten year old girl got shot in the head, noone knows how and no gun has been found.


Ok 2 accidental shooting deaths in the neighboring town in the past 2 weeks, in the past 4 years there have been only 2 murders

according to my neighboring town there are more frequent accidental shootings then robberies at gun point and murders not only do guns cause violence, they also are parts of accidents

[da haze meister]

No disagreements there. So help me educate myself. What is the proper way to handle something that is made to kill? Or did you miss the paperweight comment earlier? That would be a shame because I thought it was a perfectly valid question. I can use a cinder block to kill someone, or to rest lumber on. I can use a knife to kill someone, or to cut a piece of rope. I can use a can of soup to kill someone, or I can just open it and eat the contents. What can I use a gun for other than to kill someone?
no one says that guns arent made to kill. that was the original point dude! fuckin what else can you use a spear for, or a knife? i know you will say that you can whittle or somethin with a knife, but you can shoot the fuck out of a tree to cut it down? dumb and pointless but still a use. many things were originally made to kill. swords, knifes, cars (the version of the car we use today uses most of its modern technology from WWI tanks.)

[BongSmokityDuo]

I'm going to ahead and say that most of the modern technology in my car is not from WWI. That wouldn't very modern at all. I'm not sure what you're driving though. ;)

Haze meister, you already agreed that we can't trust the hillbillies with guns, so where do you draw the line?

[da haze meister]

i think that everyone should have to take extensive gun safety courses before they can own, possess, carry, or shoot a firearm. since i cant appropriately draw the line between hillbilly and good, thats the best i can do. also, the technology in your car did develop from WWI, in the way that it came from what came from etc etc etc. not directly, indirectly. as in leaf spring suspension, modern engine, modern exhaust system, crumple zones, anti roll bars, etc. i love cars too, as you can tell.

[da haze meister]

EDIT: And actually, i am driving a '99 Saturn L300 with about 550 HP, 600 lb/ft torque, and the most comfortable interior you will ever sit in. It will most definitely smoke whatever you have. 0-60 in 4.2 seconds, 4WD, and top speed is about 160.
Engine: 2.4L DOHC INline 4 with electronically adjustable fuel injection, reinforced manifolds, ported and polished, aftermarket heads (dunno what brand) a supercharger taken from an ecotec I4 in a cobalt, and one centrifugal vortec turbo pumping a total of 18 PSI of boost into it. If i turn the settings allthe way down, it gets 25 mpg city and still puts out 280 hp. now thats efficiency.

[slipknotpsycho]

When they break in are you going to politely ask them if they are there to steal from you or harm you?
no, but i'm not going to put my family at risk because someone MIGHT break into my home....


I was raised to use guns properly since I was 8 years old. I feel bad that you lack the mental capacity to learn how to properly handle a gun and teach that to your children. It's not hard to lock a gun up in safe you fucking jackass. If you have a 12 year old that shoots himself then I guess darwin was right. 12 years old and you shoot yourself? How fucking dumb can you be.
who cares, are you a parent? have you had kids? how fuckin often do they even listen to what you teach them? you must of been raised by some other species if you think human kids grow up thinking "my parents said it's bad so i must never ever do it" actually applies to anyone.. as for gun safe, yea its' easy, it's also easy to figure out safe combinations, or get ahold of the keys... and picking a lock is almost as easy as ordering a pizza... i've been able to pick locks since i was 10... as for the response to 12 years old and you shoot yourself how fucking dumb can you be... accidnets happen.. you don't have to even be careless to shoot yourself... shit happens, and it happens everyday, there are thousands of ways to be killed by a gun, other than putting it to your head and pulling the trigger you know... so i must as k you the same thing... how fuckin dumb can you be... you're also forgetting the main statment of my post.
i don't stand on either side, i see points from both sides i was merely offering points to justify both sides... so you're attacking the wrong person you gun weilding jack ass..

[BongSmokityDuo]

The extensive gun courses are a great idea, but they wouldn't really help very much with the black market sales of guns or keep them from falling into the hands of children as effectively as just banning them altogether. I can see how the technology evolved, I gotcha. Where are the crumple zones in a tank, by the way? Just in case I need to take one out ;)

[da haze meister]

The extensive gun courses are a great idea, but they wouldn't really help very much with the black market sales of guns or keep them from falling into the hands of children as effectively as just banning them altogether. I can see how the technology evolved, I gotcha. Where are the crumple zones in a tank, by the way? Just in case I need to take one out ;)
that is a good point... the crumple zones were not in essence those, but softer parts of metal in the frame, not the armor of the tank, so that in case of a jarring, the soldiers would not get fucked up.

[BongSmokityDuo]

well that doesn't help me with my tank fighting at all! ;)

[Das Boot]

exactly. im glad we agree on something.
"gosh dang it jethro, is that a deer or a wife and child? i cant see it too dang good... pass me another beer"

As for what you say about guns I mostly agree.

That being said screw you Yankee. Nobody can shoot a gun better than a fine upstanding southern gentleman.

Now pass me another beer...

[slipknotpsycho]

some of you gun toting idiots really need to stop and think what you're saying rather than being up and huffy-puffy denfending your precious guns...
i'm taking hit from some of you bastards for simply pointing out facts ON BOTH FUCKING SIDES... i don't stand on either side... go back through and read some of the shit you are saying... replace <insertrandomperson> with your loved ones.. instead of "i don't care what some stupid ass does with a gun, if he kills himself, it's his fault and guns shouldn't be taking heat because of a person" .... "i don't care what my son does with a gun, if he kills himself it's his fault and guns shoudln't be taking heat because of him" ... also, it's human nature to fuck up and be forgetful... even computers aren't 100% becasue they are programed by humans... so you can say you're taking precautions all you want... just because you teach your child/loved ones all about guns, and when to use them, and how to use them safely... doesn't mean they won't fuckin end up seriously hurting themselves if not killing themselves.... also, just because you think you're safely locking up your gun out of reach of others doesn't mean you're right. people are forgetful, no one remembers everything for the durration of their life, you can leave the combination where a child could find it, you could leave the key within reach, you could even forget to fuckin shut the goddamn door on the lock completly... like i said, go back and read the shit some ofyou have said, and put it to yourself... read your own words only instead of saying some random person you obviously don't care about, put your family members/loved ones in there... maybe then some of you will open your eyes, while others, i'm sure will remain blind... because ignorance is blind...

[Swizzy89304]

Yea agreed, I reckon there should be another Noah's ark type scenario, but all the MJ plants and all other living basics should be saved.

Fuck the animals, just have a 300 foot long hydroponics system! :p

[BabySnookums]

... the only way i'd kill anyone, is if me, or my family (atleast the ones i care about) are in danger... even if it was just risking them getting a slight cut on their arm that could be cured with gauze and medical pads.. no one will touch my family, nor harm them.. and if you do... you better have a contingency plan, because i'm coming after you.... and i'm coming after you like a fuckin bull... you harm my family, and don't have a way to stop me, y ou might as well say goodbye to the daylight... because i won't stop beating you until you're literally just a bloodspot on the floor, or the police come and put me in cuffs.

*swoons* ;)

[Polymirize]

^^

Please don't encourage him... we're aiming for a reduction of violence, not merely a brutalization of it.

[m4ster chef]

Well kids.....i had to go smoke it up last night....sorry i couldnt continue but we just got some fire ass weed from the NO... ha...

So has everyone agreed that guns arent the cause of all our violent problems?

Does anyone want to argue that destroying or "banning" all guns would just lead to one man's bloody and relentless campiagn of unstoppable violence?

Take EVERYONE'S guns and some big fat and powerful rich fucker WILL make more.

Also, guns are part of an olympic sport. And although I cant be 100 percent positive, I can almost certainly say that none of the olympic team has shot anyone. Its just a sport. Target practice.

Also, I think we should outlaw all teachings of the Martial Arts. Will ANYONE argue that the martial arts is anything more than a way of hurting and even killing someone with only your body? Dont get me wrong...I LOVE fights. I even like to fight every once in a while, I watch all UFC fights, but im saying this for the sake of argument.

If one has never been beaten up and one learns martial arts, isnt that equivelent to one going out and buying a gun when that person may have never been assaulted?

The whole point im trying to make is that guns, nor weapons of any kind are the main problem. The human nature is the problem. If someone wants to harm us or does harm us, then we want to harm them back, and many times we want to harm them worse so they "learn their lesson".

If you take all guns away, I do agree, deaths from guns would decline, I wont say cease because of how easy it is to make a homemade gun, BUT it would only be a matter of time before more were made. And if you dont realize this you havent taken a look at the real world lately.

Leaders of countries would only look for ways to kill or hurt people on a larger scale and because you cant also outlaw chemicals and other volitile substances, they would turn to bombs, mortars (simple ones being nothing more than a big bottle rocket) and other types of mass killing devices.

Thats my 2 cents and I think a lot of you %100 gun haters need to read this and think about it before saying guns need to be banned.

You have to look at the consequences of what would happen if they were to be. The world only gets more violent. If people have their guns taken, they are going to look for other ways with which to defend and kill with.

Taking the guns away wont solve much. The real problem is education or lack thereof. Education and helping people are the only ways of actually reducing crime rates. Look at the UK. Violent crime has GONE UP since their gun ban, if you dont believe me go look it up.

All im saying is dont continually cry "No guns! No guns!", instead, cry for education and order to be brought to people, along with a sense of responsibility. Thats what is needed more than anything.

[tadaa]

some of you gun toting idiots really need to stop and think what you're saying rather than being up and huffy-puffy denfending your precious guns...
i'm taking hit from some of you bastards for simply pointing out facts ON BOTH FUCKING SIDES... i don't stand on either side... go back through and read some of the shit you are saying... replace <insertrandomperson> with your loved ones.. instead of "i don't care what some stupid ass does with a gun, if he kills himself, it's his fault and guns shouldn't be taking heat because of a person" .... "i don't care what my son does with a gun, if he kills himself it's his fault and guns shoudln't be taking heat because of him" ... also, it's human nature to fuck up and be forgetful... even computers aren't 100% becasue they are programed by humans... so you can say you're taking precautions all you want... just because you teach your child/loved ones all about guns, and when to use them, and how to use them safely... doesn't mean they won't fuckin end up seriously hurting themselves if not killing themselves.... also, just because you think you're safely locking up your gun out of reach of others doesn't mean you're right. people are forgetful, no one remembers everything for the durration of their life, you can leave the combination where a child could find it, you could leave the key within reach, you could even forget to fuckin shut the goddamn door on the lock completly... like i said, go back and read the shit some ofyou have said, and put it to yourself... read your own words only instead of saying some random person you obviously don't care about, put your family members/loved ones in there... maybe then some of you will open your eyes, while others, i'm sure will remain blind... because ignorance is blind...

My dad taught me gun safety at an early age. I had access to guns if I wanted them, but I didn't touch them unless he was with me, because I was TAUGHT, it's called parenting. Natural Selection baby, any 12 year old that would shoot himself doesn't need to be poluting the gene pool.

[slipknotpsycho]

My dad taught me gun safety at an early age. I had access to guns if I wanted them, but I didn't touch them unless he was with me, because I was TAUGHT, it's called parenting. Natural Selection baby, any 12 year old that would shoot himself doesn't need to be poluting the gene pool.
ok so you're saying... that just because the kid decides not to listen to what he's taught (which almost every last kid in past present and future does/has done) he doesn't deserve to live?

....if you call that parenting... i feel sorry for any kids you have or may have...

"nope sorry son, i told you not to climb that tree... you don't get to go to the hospital for your broken collar bone, maybe it'll teach you a lesson"

[tadaa]

A 12 year old kid could disobey his parents and steal their car, and kill himself or another driver, should we outlaw cars too? If not then you're a hypocrite.

[slipknotpsycho]

actually you're just grasping at straws now... trying to find anything to rebuke my statments... which makes you retarded.... let me say t his one more fuckin time for all you hard-headed fuck-tards

i'm not fucking against guns, i'm not for guns.. i am fucking neither i merely am pointing out facts from both fucking cases... some of you just don't fucking read or something i've said this multiple times already!

fuck, you want to put your and your family at risk i don't give a shit... that's your family.. but i bet if your kid shoots himself you won't be quite so fuckin ignorant when someone is just merely fuckin point out the possible dangers they pose... you know, the ones here that are against guns didn't give me shit for pointing out why one could/would be needed ... i'm only catching shit from you fuckers that are for guns...

[tadaa]

Like I said, my kid will never shoot himself because he will be properly trained. Don't give me your stupid ass what if statements, what if the world ends tomorrow, what if this blah blah blah it's all nonsense and it's pure SPECULATION.

[dirty raider]

I think guns have their uses e.g the defence of ones country but if you look simply at the murder levels of countrys where gun ownership is pretty much illegal (its not totally illegal in Britain) compared to countrys where gun ownership is at high levels then you'll see there is a huge gap.

Obviously totally outlawing gun ownership wouldn't stop some getting guns in their hands but it would drastically cut down on the number in circulation. I'd imagine that because of this you'd actually be much safer having no gun with less criminals having them than if both parties were armed.

[slipknotpsycho]

Like I said, my kid will never shoot himself because he will be properly trained. Don't give me your stupid ass what if statements, what if the world ends tomorrow, what if this blah blah blah it's all nonsense and it's pure SPECULATION.
you must be more retarded then i previously thought if you think your (or any) kid is going to listen and obey to their parents every command...

dont' give you my what if statments? well how about you don't give me your useless comparative statements... a gun is for one and only one purpose.. to kill.. it has no other practical use as mentioned before.. a car while can be used as a deadly weapon, has other fuckin purposes... so to even say because someone could get killed we should outlaw cars is completely ignorant... and again, just you grasping at straws...

[tadaa]

you must be more retarded then i previously thought if you think your (or any) kid is going to listen and obey to their parents every command...

dont' give you my what if statments? well how about you don't give me your useless comparative statements... a gun is for one and only one purpose.. to kill.. it has no other practical use as mentioned before.. a car while can be used as a deadly weapon, has other fuckin purposes... so to even say because someone could get killed we should outlaw cars is completely ignorant... and again, just you grasping at straws...

Guns can be used to hunt, to survive, which is more essential than having a car. Guns can be used to save my life, and my families life, a car isn't going to help me when someone breaks in my home. So honestly, a gun has more useful purposes than a car does. What's more important, getting groceries or saving my own life, gee lemme think.

I don't give a fuck if your kid shoots himself, I shouldn't be punished because you and your godamn kid are fucking idiots.

[slipknotpsycho]

Guns can be used to hunt, to survive, which is more essential than having a car. Guns can be used to save my life, and my families life, a car isn't going to help me when someone breaks in my home. So honestly, a gun has more useful purposes than a car does. What's more important, getting groceries or saving my own life, gee lemme think.

I don't give a fuck if your kid shoots himself, I shouldn't be punished because you and your godamn kid are fucking idiots.
funny how you call me an idiot and tell me a gun has more than one purpose (killing) when every purpose you named is what? c'mon say it...
tha'ts right.. all of those are killing... someone breaks in your house you kill them.. you aren't planning on handing them the gun are you? go hunting, you're killing the animal with the gun right? ....
my point still stands... guns are for one and only one purpose, to kill... and i'm not an idiot, neither will be my son.. how many fucking times do i have to say this over and over...

I'M NOT AGAINST FUCKING GUNS. HERE LET ME SPELL IT OUT, TAKE IT SLOW NOW DON'T OVERLOAD YOUR BRAIN. I A M N O T A G A I N S T G U N S.

got the picture yet? or are you too fuckin stupid to even comprehend those words? tha'ts like the 4th or 5 th time i've said it in this thread..

[tadaa]

funny how you call me an idiot and tell me a gun has more than one purpose (killing) when every purpose you named is what? c'mon say it...
tha'ts right.. all of those are killing... someone breaks in your house you kill them.. you aren't planning on handing them the gun are you? go hunting, you're killing the animal with the gun right? ....
my point still stands... guns are for one and only one purpose, to kill... and i'm not an idiot, neither will be my son.. how many fucking times do i have to say this over and over...

I'M NOT AGAINST FUCKING GUNS. HERE LET ME SPELL IT OUT, TAKE IT SLOW NOW DON'T OVERLOAD YOUR BRAIN. I A M N O T A G A I N S T G U N S.

got the picture yet? or are you too fuckin stupid to even comprehend those words? tha'ts like the 4th or 5 th time i've said it in this thread..

There isn't a single anti gun issue that makes sense. There are too many guns in circulation to ban them, stopping production isn't going to do anything, and it's a fuckin violation of the bill of rights. End of story, there is no other side. You're wrong, plain and simple. Citizens need guns to protect themselves from outlaws. There isn't one single argument that makese any sense when it comes to anti gun people.

[BabySnookums]

^^

Please don't encourage him... we're aiming for a reduction of violence, not merely a brutalization of it.

i can encourage him to stand up for me and our son if i want...okay?

[m4ster chef]

Dear god you people just need to go smoke a fucking bowl. Read my posts. All of them. They make sense. You cant REALLY regulate guns or weapons of any sort for that matter.

[m4ster chef]

Well since it seems that manyof you, including babysnookums dont like to read a lot im reposting my post off the last page.

So has everyone agreed that guns arent the cause of all our violent problems?

If you ACTUALLY believe that guns being outlawed will lower violent crime rates you are FUCKING INSANE!!!!!

If you fucking outlaw guns then some people will just see it as their oppurtunity to start an army and take shit over. When a bank robber screams, I HAVE A FUCKING GUN AND I WILL USE IT!!!, i have this strange feeling that if YOU were in that bank, you would be HOPING someone else had a gun as well. Not a fucking knife or stick or their hands, you would want someone to have a goddamm gun, and you would want them to know what to do with it.

Take EVERYONE'S guns and some big fat and powerful rich fucker WILL make more.

Also, guns are part of an olympic sport. And although I cant be 100 percent positive, I can almost certainly say that none of the olympic team has shot anyone. Its just a sport. Target practice.

Also, I think we should outlaw all teachings of the Martial Arts. Will ANYONE argue that the martial arts is anything more than a way of hurting and even killing someone with only your body? Dont get me wrong...I LOVE fights. I even like to fight every once in a while, I watch all UFC fights, but im saying this for the sake of argument.

If one has never been beaten up and one learns martial arts, isnt that equivelent to one going out and buying a gun when that person may have never been assaulted?

The whole point im trying to make is that guns, nor weapons of any kind are the main problem. The human nature is the problem. If someone wants to harm us or does harm us, then we want to harm them back, and many times we want to harm them worse so they "learn their lesson".

If you take all guns away, I do agree, deaths from guns would decline, I wont say cease because of how easy it is to make a homemade gun, BUT it would only be a matter of time before more were made. And if you dont realize this you havent taken a look at the real world lately.

Leaders of countries would only look for ways to kill or hurt people on a larger scale and because you cant also outlaw chemicals and other volitile substances, they would turn to bombs, mortars (simple ones being nothing more than a big bottle rocket) and other types of mass killing devices.

Thats my 2 cents and I think a lot of you %100 gun haters need to read this and think about it before saying guns need to be banned.

You have to look at the consequences of what would happen if they were to be. The world only gets more violent. If people have their guns taken, they are going to look for other ways with which to defend and kill with.

Taking the guns away wont solve much. The real problem is education or lack thereof. Education and helping people are the only ways of actually reducing crime rates. Look at the UK. Violent crime has GONE UP since their gun ban, if you dont believe me go look it up.

As long as mankind lives there will always be someone who wants to get things the free and easy way. Many times that involves violence or the threat thereof. And I personally want to be protected against someone elses insanity.

And in the end All im saying is dont continually cry "No guns! No guns!", instead, cry for education and order to be brought to people, along with a sense of responsibility. Thats what is needed more than anything.

[tadaa]

Don't bother bro, they are sheep. They choose to be sheep, unwilling and unable to defend their own lives in the dangerous world we live in.

[m4ster chef]

I will never be unarmed, i will always own guns and if they want to try to take mine they will have to have their own, advance through a wall of lead then beat me down with my own gun cause the motherfucker will be empty.

Call me a fucking redneck cause i said that. thats fine. But i really think some of you should lighten up on the redneck and inbred comments. If you dont personally know anyone from the South and you still say shit like that FUCK Y'ALL, ALL Y'ALL.

Like it was said earlier, you cant take em all away. You cant do it. There are too many. Plus there are too many "rednecks" who just simply wont let theirs be taken.

[da haze meister]

i just saw on the news at 10 that a man was attacked in his driveway in the early morning, and the attackers were about to go for his daughter, and he went inside and shot the attackers. look it up. stark county, ohio. I WIN!!

[m4ster chef]

HAHA.....thatta boy....way to hit one for the home team.....

[Polymirize]

you know M4sterchef, the first time I read that post of yours, I thought it was inane. But the second time, since you're just reposting things now... well the second time I thought it was even more inane and redundant to boot. But oh well.
Are guns responsible for all violent crime? No. Has that even come up as an issue? No. Nobody thinks that banning guns will cause a decrease in assaults with knives, or clubs, or rubber bands for that matter. But it will decrease the number of assaults with guns.
You seem to think that by pointing out that other objects can be used to kill people, we should all come around to your view. The fact is, most of those other objects all have legitimate uses. You can't build a house with a gun. And despite DHM's claims about being able to shoot down trees, I don't consider that very practical. A gun is an instrument used solely to kill. Explain to me why, in a society, we should all be allowed to own instruments of death?

Bearing in mind that you obviously have to draw the line somewhere. I mean, we can't all own tactical nukes right? So where do we draw the line for the good of society. Bearing in mind that what is best is not always what is most comfortable. Could you give up your guns for a better world?

[Polymirize]

i can encourage him to stand up for me and our son if i want...okay?

Can you encourage him to stop using all caps?

:dance:

[Das Boot]

Just reading all this arguing makes me tired. No minds will be changed, I know this sounds like hippy bullshit but can't we just agree to disagree?

[BabySnookums]

Can you encourage him to stop using all caps?

only if the other people stop being idiots :D

[Wesley Pipes]

guns are for pussies - 311
yup, guns are for pussies who arent man enough to fight with their fists.:dance:

[Wesley Pipes]

quote from m4ster chef - Also, guns are part of an olympic sport. And although I cant be 100 percent positive, I can almost certainly say that none of the olympic team has shot anyone. Its just a sport. Target practice.

target practise for what? They plannin on using their guns outside of their sport?, guns shouldnt exist, end of story!

[Torog]

Howdy Y'all,

Guns don't kill--humans do..it's just that simple.

Criminals don't obey the law..that's why they are criminals..it's just that simple.

If yer foolish enuff to place yer safety in the hands of others,then you deserve what you git--call 911...and die..it's just that simple.

If you bring a knife,bat or fists,to a gunfight..yer gonna lose..it's just that simple.

Here in Texas,guns are looked at as useful tools for hunting and gittin rid of predators that attack our livestock,as well as defending our family's and homes,when we are far away from a police response.

I got my first gun when I was only 11 years old,a single shot 22,then I got a semi-auto 22 rifle,I worked for the money and got them on my own,my dad saw how responsible I was and bought me a 30-30 Winchester,when I was 12 or so,and we went out deer hunting and I got my first buck,an 8 pointer. Back in the early 70's,we could even bring our guns to school and as long as we didn't take em out of our cars and trucks,it was okay. Many a time,we brought our rifles to school,so that we could go huntin and plinking,after school. Then modern liberalism raised it's ugly face..and suddenly ,guns were to be feared and the students were no longer trusted to be responsible for their guns. It was one of the silliest things we'd ever heard..I reckon that the liberals couldn't understand that we feared the wrath of our parents,if we mis-used a gun,more than what any cop would do.

Have a good one ...

[tadaa]

yup, guns are for pussies who arent man enough to fight with their fists.:dance:

I could argue that fists are for people that aren't man enough to talk things out, what's your point?

[Looker]

Forget it people...this guys a hit and run insult machine...

[Wesley Pipes]

I could argue that fists are for people that aren't man enough to talk things out, what's your point?
well sometimes you can't talk your way out of a situation, in my town ppl start fights for absolutely no reason, just to entertain themselves, especially at the weekends, even the bouncers at the pubs and clubs will find a reason to look good by beatin ppl down, but i'd still rather defend myself with my fists than with bullets, like i said, guns are for pussies who cant fight, and about those pics u posted torog, if women want to defend themselves they dont need guns to do it, thats what self-defence classes and martial arts are for, a female can handle themselves as well as any male, sometimes better, believe me i know this to be true, i had plenty of kicks to the stones by females;) and seen females kick the crap outta some big lads too :thumbsup:

[m4ster chef]

I totally agree with what Torog said. Guns are useful tools where he lives. Granted I dont live in Texas but have been there many times, and have lots of relatives there.

Now, polymerize, how do you propose that we control guns? Hmmm?

Since we obviously cant destroy every single one, there must be a method for controlling them.

And as for whoever said that guns "shouldnt exist", you need to FUCKING WAKE UP YOU GODDAMM STUPID ASS MOTHER FUCKER!!! THEY DO! So YOU need to come up with a way to deal with it instead of just saying that they are the cause of all our problems and that they're instruments of death.

And as far as instruments of death, have you ever eaten beef? Just answer me that. Have you ever eaten pork? Chicken? Come on...tell me.

And Im sick of you stupid ass motherfuckers talking about talking shit out with your fists. FUCK THAT! People dont fight fair these days. The last TWO fights i was in i got jumped on AFTER i was already fighting. Im fairly positive that if i hadnt had a good friend there that basically fights for a living, i would've got beat the fuck down.

And polymerize, are you telling me it would be a better world if us law abiding citizens gave up our means of protection (whether YOU want to give up yours or not) against the evil scum that would look to harm us in this harsh world? Are you saying that you would rather someone assault you with a knife (which has been PROVEN more dangerous than a firearm at combat range) than a gun?

This is a quote that i found that fairly well says what i am trying to say.

"I am a strict rule follower, and I always have been. When I turned 18 (legal age), and all my friends were younger, I bought my first rifle. All of my friends already had a few. When I needed a longer barrel to be legal I welded a muzzle break on mine ($50). None of my friends would have cared. The point is gun control doesnâ??t work. It only stops those like me, the rule followers, and the ones that will need to defend them selves. The law breakers will just break another law. We need nothing or all, so if we canâ??t un-invent them then we should be able to have them.

I am a boy scout at heart. Always prepared. I donâ??t know what the future holds. I may go to work tomorrow and need a drill. Or I go to work and get shot at by a disgruntled worker. That is why I have a drill in tool box and a gun on my ankle.

From what I have heard the kids at Columbine broke 27 laws. Would 28 or 29 have helped? I think not. The point is that one law will stop me, but it wonâ??t stop those who break laws.

Now it sounds like I like guns I DONâ??T. If right now I could un-invent them I would. But you would see me tomorrow with a sword on my back. Still as prepared as ever.

So till you un-invent the gun, Iâ??ll be sitting here with two on me, and more at home."

Now i want everyone to read this.

[Wesley Pipes]

i said guns shouldnt exist, are u condoning the use of guns??? u make me sick, i guess u must support the kind of ppl who massacre innocent kids with guns, if guns didnt exist, gun crime wouldnt exist, accidental deaths by guns wouldnt exist, therefor there would be less death in this world, and when i said guns shouldnt exist, i meant ALL guns that are owned by EVERYONE who uses guns, you can argue that its ppl who kill ppl and yes you'd be right, but its easier to stop a madman who has a knife than it is to stop a madman with a gun, if u cant see that then ur even more of an idiot than i first thought, i have nothin against u personally, but anyone who condones gun violence is as sick as the terrorists who attack innocent civilians.

[m4ster chef]

Well then fuckin make em dont exist. Goddamm it. you cant go back in time.

[Polymirize]

Back in the early 70's,we could even bring our guns to school and as long as we didn't take em out of our cars and trucks,it was okay. Many a time,we brought our rifles to school,so that we could go huntin and plinking,after school. Then modern liberalism raised it's ugly face..and suddenly ,guns were to be feared and the students were no longer trusted to be responsible for their guns. It was one of the silliest things we'd ever heard..I reckon that the liberals couldn't understand that we feared the wrath of our parents,if we mis-used a gun,more than what any cop would do.

Have a good one ...


First off torog, I'm sure it's easy to blame the libs for the fact that guns aren't allowed on school campuses anymore, but face facts. The problem was some of these people decided to start bringing their guns to school and shooting people. They weren't told to do so by the liberals, they just thought it sounded like a good idea.
You're probably right that liberals don't understand fearing your parents. but I don't see why that is relevant. Sounds like a whole 'nother issue for you conservatives to me...

And for you Tadaa, how to control? simple. make gun possession illegal. Sure, cops and military personal can still have their guns, when acting in regards to their duties, but regular citizens can't. All law-abiding persons would obviously turn theirs in then, and so we'd feel fine about "criminals" being busted for firearm possession.

[slipknotpsycho]

First off torog, I'm sure it's easy to blame the libs for the fact that guns aren't allowed on school campuses anymore, but face facts. The problem was some of these people decided to start bringing their guns to school and shooting people. They weren't told to do so by the liberals, they just thought it sounded like a good idea.
You're probably right that liberals don't understand fearing your parents. but I don't see why that is relevant. Sounds like a whole 'nother issue for you conservatives to me...

And for you Tadaa, how to control? simple. make gun possession illegal. Sure, cops and military personal can still have their guns, when acting in regards to their duties, but regular citizens can't. All law-abiding persons would obviously turn theirs in then, and so we'd feel fine about "criminals" being busted for firearm possession.
get ready to hear the same thing again... "just becasue guns are illegal doesn't mean you're safe" or.. "then should we outlaw cars as well"
seems to be the only thing any of these people know how to say, or maybe it's just because that's the only argument they can put up...

as to torog: i'm going to quote someone....
"the NRA says guns don't kill people, people kill people... but i think the gun helps... you're not going to kill a whole lot of people just saying bam, you'd have to be really dodgy on the heart for that"

[Polymirize]

^^ hell yeah. Izzard knows how to lay it down. But can you imagine Torog watching one of his acts?

actually that would be hilarious

[slipknotpsycho]

^^ hell yeah. Izzard knows how to lay it down. But can you imagine Torog watching one of his acts?

actually that would be hilarious
now that would be funny....
in his sexie live special he actally comes out with fake tits... lol....

[tadaa]

i said guns shouldnt exist, are u condoning the use of guns??? u make me sick, i guess u must support the kind of ppl who massacre innocent kids with guns, if guns didnt exist, gun crime wouldnt exist, accidental deaths by guns wouldnt exist, therefor there would be less death in this world, and when i said guns shouldnt exist, i meant ALL guns that are owned by EVERYONE who uses guns, you can argue that its ppl who kill ppl and yes you'd be right, but its easier to stop a madman who has a knife than it is to stop a madman with a gun, if u cant see that then ur even more of an idiot than i first thought, i have nothin against u personally, but anyone who condones gun violence is as sick as the terrorists who attack innocent civilians.


If there weren't any bad people in the world there would be no crime, what's your point? Your views are unrealistic and 100% irrelevant in this argument.

[tadaa]

First off torog, I'm sure it's easy to blame the libs for the fact that guns aren't allowed on school campuses anymore, but face facts. The problem was some of these people decided to start bringing their guns to school and shooting people. They weren't told to do so by the liberals, they just thought it sounded like a good idea.
You're probably right that liberals don't understand fearing your parents. but I don't see why that is relevant. Sounds like a whole 'nother issue for you conservatives to me...

And for you Tadaa, how to control? simple. make gun possession illegal. Sure, cops and military personal can still have their guns, when acting in regards to their duties, but regular citizens can't. All law-abiding persons would obviously turn theirs in then, and so we'd feel fine about "criminals" being busted for firearm possession.

I'm sure you'd also feel fine about criminals being the only citizens with guns, right? You're a fucking idiot.

1. I'd say probably 75% of law abiding citizens wouldn't turn in their guns, and if the U.S ever tried to ban guns there would be a civil war, but they won't ever try and ban guns so you can get that out of your head right now.

Just know that I am armed to the teeth and loving it, and there isn't a godamn thing you or anybody else can do about it:D

What's the point of baning guns if only the law abiding people turn them in? They aren't committing crimes with them, so gun crime would stay the same. Jesus, are you really that simple minded that you couldn't figure that out on your own?

[erceg]

Howdy Y'all,

Guns don't kill--humans do..it's just that simple.

Criminals don't obey the law..that's why they are criminals..it's just that simple.

If yer foolish enuff to place yer safety in the hands of others,then you deserve what you git--call 911...and die..it's just that simple.

If you bring a knife,bat or fists,to a gunfight..yer gonna lose..it's just that simple.

Here in Texas,guns are looked at as useful tools for hunting and gittin rid of predators that attack our livestock,as well as defending our family's and homes,when we are far away from a police response.

I got my first gun when I was only 11 years old,a single shot 22,then I got a semi-auto 22 rifle,I worked for the money and got them on my own,my dad saw how responsible I was and bought me a 30-30 Winchester,when I was 12 or so,and we went out deer hunting and I got my first buck,an 8 pointer. Back in the early 70's,we could even bring our guns to school and as long as we didn't take em out of our cars and trucks,it was okay. Many a time,we brought our rifles to school,so that we could go huntin and plinking,after school. Then modern liberalism raised it's ugly face..and suddenly ,guns were to be feared and the students were no longer trusted to be responsible for their guns. It was one of the silliest things we'd ever heard..I reckon that the liberals couldn't understand that we feared the wrath of our parents,if we mis-used a gun,more than what any cop would do.

Have a good one ...hey torog,ready to go hunting my friend,i bring the weapons and you bring the truth and reality and some quotes and we will do just fine.let me see where will this one goes

[bonsaiguy]

yup, guns are for pussies who arent man enough to fight with their fists.:dance:
Generally speaking, fighting in any form (excepting sporting events like martial arts tournaments) is for idiots who can't control their tempers or are too stupid to argue a point with their intellect and simply want to impose their will on others. If some one is coming at me with fists, a knife or club, or any other weapon, all bets are off and I am going to assume that the fool wants to kill me and therefore I will attempt to disable or, if absolutely necessary, kill that person first. Therefore I will pick up and utilize any weapon available to me from a rock to a bowling ball or if it's handy, my trusty 9mm. Especially if said nutcase is in my house. Never lose site of the fact that we humans are still animals and are not nearly as far removed from that animal behavior and instinct as we would like to believe. Your assertion that it is more noble or manly to fight with your fists, as well as your insistance on taking weapons away from law abiding responsible citizens, therefore attempting to force the rest of the world to agree with your views, is a perfect example of that.

BTW...nice to see erceg back in the game. hope you're feeling well.

[spacelamb]

i think that everyone should have to take extensive gun safety courses before they can own, possess, carry, or shoot a firearm. since i cant appropriately draw the line between hillbilly and good, thats the best i can do.

I think this is the most intelligent thing that has been said over these 8 pages of debate. It seems that most people are talking about protecting themselves, their property and loved ones, and using guns as the means. I personally wouldn't choose this option, but as long as guns are legal, others should have the right to make their own choice. Some also use guns for recreation, and that's cool.
It's the people that use/have guns irresponsibly, without regard for it's deadly potential that piss me off. Or the (mostly) men who see them as some kind of status symbol, some extension of their masculinity(sp?). Oh, yeah...and the criminals...I don't think you should be happy about criminals with or without guns! Of course, we are all probably criminals here, since we're on a marijuana website. :D The NRA also pisses me off. They don't seem willing to compromise on any issues, or work with lawmakers towards a middle ground on gun issues.
Now, I don't own a gun, nor do I want to. But, I'm glad I have that choice and that others get to decide for themselves.

[Torog]

hey torog,ready to go hunting my friend,i bring the weapons and you bring the truth and reality and some quotes and we will do just fine.let me see where will this one goes

Howdy erceg,

Yeeehhhaaawww !!! Heck yeah ! I'm ready !

I tell you what,some folks sure do have some funny ideas about guns,I don't know why they don't understand,a bullet is the one thing,that criminals and politicians fear..the way I see it,the goverment and criminals,should be afraid of us,not the other way around.

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[slipknotpsycho]

I tell you what

do you sell propane and propane accessories?

[Torog]

First off torog, I'm sure it's easy to blame the libs for the fact that guns aren't allowed on school campuses anymore, but face facts. The problem was some of these people decided to start bringing their guns to school and shooting people. They weren't told to do so by the liberals, they just thought it sounded like a good idea.
You're probably right that liberals don't understand fearing your parents. but I don't see why that is relevant. Sounds like a whole 'nother issue for you conservatives to me...

And for you Tadaa, how to control? simple. make gun possession illegal. Sure, cops and military personal can still have their guns, when acting in regards to their duties, but regular citizens can't. All law-abiding persons would obviously turn theirs in then, and so we'd feel fine about "criminals" being busted for firearm possession.

Howdy Polymirize,

Yup..it's real easy to blame liberals for nutty stuff..lol.

Btw,you do realize that I'm talking about the '70's ?

Since then,liberals have taught a whole generation of kids to fear guns or in HollyWeird's case,to idolize them and make status symbols of em. If some of the teachers at Columbine school,had been armed,it would have saved many lives,if there weren't no gun zones around the school,folks could have rushed to the students and teachers aid. You may as well put up a sign saying "We are unarmed and helpless ",in fact,I dare those of you against guns,to put a sign like that in yer yard and see how quick it is,before you become a victim.

In regards to fearing the wrath of one's parents,once again,the liberals stepped in and said that we should treat our children like little adults and friends..as a result,we see the problems that we have today with children..liberal's answer to behaviour problems,is to medicate the child..rather than true discipline.

So..how many folks are you willing to make victims of criminals,before the toll becomes too high and we realize that folks have the right to defend themselves,with a gun if need be ? Bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight,is sure to git ya killed.

Have a good one !:stoned:

[benagain]

I like guns. I'm not giving up mine because some ass face doesn't know how to use his properly. Gun crime sucks, but what causes more death, accidental gun shot wounds, or cigs?

[Torog]

do you sell propane and propane accessories?

Howdy slip,

Well..I tell you what--it'd be an honor..to sell propane and propane accessories..lol:D Even though I prefer charcoal and wood in my bbq grill.

Have a good one ! :stoned:

[m4ster chef]

I think he thinks you're a serious redneck. But anyway....i see that the anti gunners are quiet...

[erceg]

Howdy erceg,

Yeeehhhaaawww !!! Heck yeah ! I'm ready !

I tell you what,some folks sure do have some funny ideas about guns,I don't know why they don't understand,a bullet is the one thing,that criminals and politicians fear..the way I see it,the goverment and criminals,should be afraid of us,not the other way around.

Have a good one ! :stoned:long live ted nugent and his arsenel.now that music man has some weapons and is proud of it.i went to a concert in nevada on on border of calif and nev in tahoe and ted comes out and tells gray davis,fuck off and he had his guns and that machine gun he has is kick ass.we the ppl have the right so on and so forth

[imagoober]

I tell you what,some folks sure do have some funny ideas about guns,I don't know why they don't understand,a bullet is the one thing,that criminals and politicians fear..the way I see it,the goverment and criminals,should be afraid of us,not the other way around.
i second that!
erceg i like the arsenal, it makes me proud! someone has there head on right.

[da haze meister]

hey torog,ready to go hunting my friend,i bring the weapons and you bring the truth and reality and some quotes and we will do just fine.let me see where will this one goes
u have a glock airsoft gun? i used to have one... its what persuaded me to get a real one.
innyway... i am not gonna say the same shit over and over again. heres how it is. guns are never gonna be eradicated. there should be some better control, because for every law abiding citizen with one there is a criminal or gang banger to match. i live in an area with one of the worst gun crime rates in the USA. That is why i have guns. i think that if someone has a clean criminal record, they can go ahead and get a gun. hunting is fine. it is regulated so that these animals arent going to go extinct. so all you fucking hippies, please stop bitching. thats my two cents for now.