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lemonboy
02-11-2006, 04:42 PM
With still no reporting from a recognized media outlet we're all still in the dark. This is the most credible and informative post I've seen though.


Did Marc blow RC's cover or did RC blow our cover (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=339363&postcount=61)...

RC is working with the Authorities. OG and CW IP's were logged.
About 48 hours ago I broke my 26 month long self-imposed exile from the internet to post the results of my converstations with RC. Nobody else seemed to the the will or ability to track down and talk to him, and my concerns for the industry and the people I love who participate in it out weighed the enjoyment of my recent relative obscurity. I was sure any calls were going to be monitored, but hey - it's not like my name has never been associated with cannabis seeds, eh. So I called RC. Twice.

The first call was to get his story of what happened to him, and the servers for Overgrow and Cannabis World, and to offer support, financial and otherwise. I had been in contact with a few friends and business acquaintances, and had passed the virtual hat around - to the tune of well over US$50,000 pledged to assist RC, with no strings attached. RC said he would have to talk to his lawyers first for instructions on handling such a large donation. OK, fine. RC has all my contact numbers (always had, btw) and I expected a call the next day with instructions from his lawyers.

After my first call to him, I noted that Marc Emery from Cannabis Culture had a front page story saying RC had split the country, etcetera. Fuck. So, after some introspection, I decided to take the plunge - I was returning to my long lost home, the internet. RC had told me he would be releasing a statement, drawn up with the assistance of his lawyers, within 24 hours. Now, I had taken RC at his word as to what had happened, and I thought his clients, suppliers and members of his sites should have at least an idea of what happened, so I called him back, and said so. He agreed I could post what I put in my first post on the internet in 26 months.

Some things RC said to me didn't sit well with me. I did wake the guy up, but still... my instincts were making my hackles rise. As time passed, I kept thinking - who the fuck doesn't leap on a US$50,000 gift? My instincts said I wouldn't hear from his lawyers about it. I was correct.

Now, I have known RC's real name - and much more information about him, from back in the day when I made a deal with ~Shabang~ to buy out his 1/2 of Overgrow. I started doing the phone call thing to newspapers, the Quebec Provincial Police, RCMP public affairs office, blah, blah, blah. No record of an arrest. No record of bail or release. No records for RC, period. I had a couple of phone calls with ~Shabang~ as well, as he is one of the few people in the world I felt comfortable brain-storming with some of the information I was working with. I trust ~S with my life.

I called everyone I knew - and I know a fuckload of folks - to try and pry out some facts. I got a ton of calls, PM's and emails, and the picture they were painting wasn't jiving with some 'facts' that RC gave me. In fact, the fucker lied to me - to you - to the industry.

Just after midnight last night, I got a call from Marc Emery. Some of you may have heard of him. If you want to Marc bash, stay the fuck outta this thread. I've been in this industry for quite some time, and I don't believe in tearing down anyone who has the guts and determination for a cause that he does. If you don't like doing business with him, then don't. I have managed to negotiate this industry for years without hurting and name calling of people who are, in my eyes, on the same side. (Just ask Dr. Chronic - shortly after his site launched on OG - and when Gypsy was, as usual acting like an asshole and treating the Doc like shit on the boards, his site went down - hardware failure. That day was the first time I talked to the Doc - I called him and offered to host his site until his hardware was repaired. He declined, but that was the basis of a solid business relationship with him, one of my competitors. I have since met the Doc, and he is one of those truly rare finds - an honest to goodness decent and nice man. I would like to think I can call Dr. Chronic my friend, and I won't put up with any Doc bashing here either End of rant)

Emery and I chatted for over 1/2 an hour. At the outset, I was clear that I couldn't give him any information, but we could discuss what we both had knowledge of. I can tell you now that Emery had RC's real name for quite some time, and had been checking high and low, much like I had been, and had found no trace. Emery gave me a who's who list of people who know RC - in some cases for decades - and who RC had shunned any form of contact with since this all started. He quite graciously offered me all they had found out, and didn't pressure me for information in return. His concern for anyone affected by the fallout from this is genuine. The industry is in an uproar, and I hadn't seen anyone else with people working the phones trying to unearth the truth. By approximately 12:53 AM (GMT) Mr. Marc Scott Emery had earned my respect. We ended our chat, but now I still had more questions.

Rumours, speculation and innuendo filled the forums everywhere, and my instincts were screaming by now. Several details RC had given me were blatantly false, but not a smoking gun. Not yet.

And then, this morning at 10:30 AM (GMT) my phone rang. It was an old acquaintance of mine - and he had brought me a smoking gun. He had done business with RC, and RC paid him by check. The check was made out to a business that has nothing to do with cannabis or cannabis seeds. It was the only time that business had ever negotiated a payment from anyone in the industry. And he had just been raided, with the warrant looking for cannabis, cannabis seeds, and financial records. Fortunately, the raid was, well - a bust. Nothing was found, cops were red-faced, and my friend was fine. And pissed off. There is only one person who could have pointed the police to his business. Mr. Richard Baghdadlian, known to you as RC.

I don't doubt that RC was raided, and I don't doubt that his home and business were searched. In fact, I have confirmation they were. He was not arrested. He was at home when I called him, and has since shut off all contact with anyone. I called his lawyers (that little deal a few years ago with ~S, me, RC and OG had left me with all kinda interesting contacts) and they informed me they were not able to contact RC.

So, I'm gonna say it - and lemme tell you, this ain't easy, but now it's time to face some hard facts.

Richard Baghdadlian is co-operating with the authorities to save his own ass, at the expense of breeders, clients, and tens of thousands of members on his sites.

Anyone who had any financial transactions with RC in any way is at risk.

Anyone who posted on OG or CW is at risk. Those forums are gone, and will never be back - the security of every member has been comprimised.

I don't believe IP's were not logged on OG and CW. ~Shabang~ and I discussed this, and how ~S had originally set up the null logs, and db records. Since then, however, RC had instituted many 'anti-troll' features on the boards. Lemme 'splain...

Ask any troll here - if they posted from, say Proxy A one day, and then 3 days later from Proxy B, using the same handle, and admin got tired of them. So, they IP ban Proxy B, while the troll is still signed in. That's how RC would like you to believe it was done. However, if they then tried using a different handle, and Proxy A - well, damned if that one wasn't blocked as well. I can guarantee you that RC had gone back to some default settings to log IP's for everyone, all the time. There is no doubt.

RC is a rat.

OG and CW logged IP's.

The servers weren't seized - they didn't need to seize them - RC has given them complete access to the database records.

People are getting busted based on contact with RC.

I have given oldpink the heads-up a couple of hours ago that I was going to write this up and post it here. Kindly don't tear him up - he is working hard with little information, and is doing the best he can.

As many OG and CW refugees are also hanging at ***************, I've just got off the phone with Doc Chronic as well, so word of this will get out. (That's important, as that snivelling cunt-rag Gypsy likes to delete any quotes from me over at ICMag. Fuck off Gypsy, and stay outta my thread.)

If I have more information to offer later, I'll post it up in this thread.

If you have some information to give me, email is [email protected], or give me a call - from a safe phone, of course, at 07766 871 905 in the UK, 0044 7766 871 905 in Europe, and from N. America use 01144 7766 871 905.

Take care everyone, I hope you're all safe.

Love,

Plural of Mongoose

PS - if yer gonna quote this post over at other sites, kindly quote the entire post, thank you very much. Mongoose

PPS - Fuck you Richard Baghdadlian - FUCK YOU... Fuck you... fuck you...

just something I thought yall might want to know...roadhand

Torog
02-11-2006, 05:05 PM
Howdy lemon boy,

Thanx for posting this info,it may prove to be critical for some folks.

It's been years,since I lasted posted at OG or CW and I had even thought of gittin a new membership at OG recently,but thank goodness I didn't.

Lord have mercy..what a mess..I pray and hope,that the authorities will be stifled and stymied,in all that they do..may God's wrath be upon them,for persecutting folks for using a plant,given to us by God for our own use,and which is 100 times safer,than asperin.

Have a good one ...

xNoa
02-11-2006, 05:12 PM
damn is that all actually true or is it bollocks

Irv
02-11-2006, 05:14 PM
Howdy lemon boy,

Thanx for posting this info,it may prove to be critical for some folks.

It's been years,since I lasted posted at OG or CW and I had even thought of gittin a new membership at OG recently,but thank goodness I didn't.

Lord have mercy..what a mess..I pray and hope,that the authorities will be stifled and stymied,in all that they do..may God's wrath be upon them,for persecutting folks for using a plant,given to us by God for our own use,and which is 100 times safer,than asperin.

Have a good one ...

absoutely, well said torog!

robert42
02-11-2006, 05:17 PM
damn i just read all that and its shocking but the story has changed a few times but to be honest this seems like the most thruthful story.

thanks for the updates lemonboy if u hear of more be sure to post.

its a huge shame about OG the best cannabis goriwng site out their hopefully the FAQ's and strain guides will get copied.

if i was a big OG poster and grower id be packing up my veggies so to speak

lemonboy
02-11-2006, 05:34 PM
You're welcome. This is THE lesson for anyone who owns or posts on one of these sites. I hope they start taking steps now to make things more secure and eliminate senseless logging of vital information. (Hint Hint)

Yes this is real. More over at hg420.


I talked to the Doc on the phone (http://www.hg420.com/showpost.php?p=97370&postcount=24) before I posted that at PG - in fact I read the whole post out to him first.

I posted at PG as I figured it would start a shitstorm, and that is the one site that is equipped to deal with it, with no censorship.

Dr. Chronic can confirm that.

Take care, and be safe all.

Mongoose

turtle420
02-11-2006, 06:52 PM
Thanks lemonboy...

God, damn... holy shit.
This, sucks, for, many, many, people.

Cannabis.com
02-11-2006, 08:20 PM
Most, if not all, of the people reportedly experiencing problems right now had voluntarily revealed their personal info, including real names, street addresses, and even their bank account details to RC and/or others at Overgrow.

As I've long said, IPs, etc alone are of little value in regards to the authorities ...

We log IPs since they are useful for technical purposes - load balancing, reducing abuse, etc ... we heavily rely on IP and other tracking data to ensure things run smoothly ... ie. to keep the server busy messages to a minimum; more servers are planned to be added in the near future.

People are responsible for their own security ... revealing sensitive information to informants and agents is far more of a hazard than IPs, etc; being too open with family, friends, etc.

I purposedly don't have a "security" forum on any site I run...

Most of the info I see in other "security" forums on other sites is wrong, overly simplistic, and worse tends to give people a false security they don't truly have.

Again, to reiterate, most, if not all, of the people reportedly experiencing problems had revealed highly personal information with RC and/or others at Overgrow...

Informants and agents are out on most all the boards; email, PM, IM, etc is where many people reveal far more than they should ... stick with just reading / posting publicly viewable forums and avoid PM, email, etc for maximum security - don't reveal too much, talk in generalities, etc.

Ron


You're welcome. This is THE lesson for anyone who owns or posts on one of these sites. I hope they start taking steps now to make things more secure and eliminate senseless logging of vital information...

lemonboy
02-11-2006, 10:18 PM
While I do appreciate your response Ron I'm not sure how I feel about you putting abuse and quality control over the safety of our friends here. The idea that IP data wouldn't be valuable to law enforcement is a little naive. Of course everyone should have their own security plan however it would be nice if communities that actively seek us out would work in conjunction with them.

esrabalamir
02-11-2006, 11:09 PM
i was understand it is very sad man (u know my english sux) anyway tnx for this good info lemonade

del...
02-12-2006, 02:52 AM
ip info really doesn't mean much. for one, no one can trace anything back and know for sure who the user was at whatever time it was used. for another, ip's are static and change and/or shared constantly, which takes us back to the first statement.

now what is bad is posting incriminating evidence backed with pics that can be easily matched...i could go on and on but no time right now. but if you think about it all, including the logistics involved i think you'll see where i'm heading...logistics alone would hinder all but the largest of agencies and if they're on to you there's not much to do but run anyway...know what i mean?

beachguy in thongs
02-12-2006, 03:02 AM
i was understand it is very sad man (u know my english sux)
What? I think that's beautiful...

i was understand it is very sad man
Well, maybe not beautfiul, but it rhymes :thumbsup: .

lemonboy
02-12-2006, 03:12 AM
ip info really doesn't mean much. for one, no one can trace anything back and know for sure who the user was at whatever time it was used. for another, ip's are static and change and/or shared constantly, which takes us back to the first statement.Having worked for Bellsouth DSL I know for a fact these details are logged every time someone logs in over PPPoE. Tracing an IP address back to its user is easy as long as you have a timestamp to go along with it. Lots of broadband providers set DHCP leases to allow users to keep the same IP address for weeks at a time, even if they reboot or relogin. This makes it pretty simple to go back and audit logs.

You're right, the average user has nothing to worry about. But what about the subcools, Fets, and Zandors? Don't we WANT those guys posting here? The game has changed significantly for those types since the OG mess began. I imagine many will be asking themselves if it's even worth it to be online at this point.

turtle420
02-12-2006, 08:19 AM
Well, I can conclude one thing from all of this...
I'm becoming a Cafe Member.
Long time since I wanted to be a member, plus, I can add my little $ cooperation through that.

As to IPs, I've always thought that if the authorities come and start shit, I'll just say: "Hey man, I have an open WiFi network here... god know's if it was Osama that was posting his White Widow grows..."
Right after I say that, I'll call my lawyers. Every one of them.

Thanks for everything guys,

-turtle420 :cool:
.

BTW: Thanks for these boards Ron, they kick ass! :)

ICEToker
02-12-2006, 02:36 PM
sharing of sensitive information has come to a screeching halt on the northcoast of America...no more pics, IM's, PM's etc...Those who grew, dont anymore, those who shared, have clamped it shut...

alas, isnt this EXACTLY the way things always go???

Be safe, be careful, be patient, and be very very quiet, dont cough too loudly!!!

SCW
02-12-2006, 05:45 PM
I too haven't posted on Overgrow for a while, sort of retired from being an active poster, but I mourn for the site. I followed ~s~ through the various iterations and am glad to hear he is OK. But what a shame. Granted, there was a lot of crap on the site, and a lot of real idiots posting nonsense in large volumes. But there was also gold there, and the sheer volume of information lost is very sad. Ah well, nothing lasts forever.

del...
02-19-2006, 01:57 AM
here's the latest 'news' about the ongoing og/cw/hs/rc saga...

http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060217/LIFESTYLE/60216045&SearchID=73235976100914

lemonboy
02-19-2006, 02:03 AM
Wow that's great. Thank you!

Xylene
02-19-2006, 02:16 AM
ip info really doesn't mean much. for one, no one can trace anything back and know for sure who the user was at whatever time it was used. for another, ip's are static and change and/or shared constantly, which takes us back to the first statement.
Actually, if they change, they're dynamic. Static means the same.

turtle420
02-19-2006, 04:42 AM
here's the latest 'news' about the ongoing og/cw/hs/rc saga...

http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060217/LIFESTYLE/60216045&SearchID=73235976100914
Very interesting read... but I'm left almost all the same...

I didn't do business there... nor posted over @ OverGrow... but, what the fuck will happen to those that did?

QUESTION: What happened with Marc Emery and his bust? I'm still not clear... did he cooperate with the DEA? I've seen people calling him Marc the Narc.... but... why?

?..?..... s.d.fs.d.f..e.

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:
.

lemonboy
02-19-2006, 04:53 AM
People have been calling him Marc the Narc because he posted RC's name to Cannabis Culture. The funny thing about this is, if RC were actually arrested this would have been public information already. So basically it was people who already hated Marc Emery, hating Marc Emery.

The story del posted just confirms what people were beginning to suspect all along, that it was a sham bust to give him (RC) time to get away.

del...
02-19-2006, 04:54 AM
i'll post the article here before it gets taken off of the public access part of the site...and to make for easier reading...


Potheads show you??re not anonymous online
By Leif M. Wright
Phoenix Staff Writer


GreenThum43215: Hey, are you the Phoenix guy?
LeifMWright: Yes. Who??s this?
GreenThum43215: You interested in an internet story?
LeifMWright: I??m all ears.
GreenThum43215: Have you ever heard of overgrow.com?

That Internet chat began the weirdest column I??ve ever undertaken, one full of international intrigue, secret marijuana gardens, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Drug Enforcement Administration, a shady character with an Armenian name, a former movie actor turned marijuana seed dealer and tens of thousands of freaked-out potheads who started what I call the Marijuana Bean Field Wars.

Overgrow.com was the world??s largest marijuana cultivation Web site, and possibly the largest single marketplace of illegal ideas in the history of the world. The site taught growers the ins and outs of the plant and how to increase their yields and ostensibly increase the THC content. THC is the chemical believed to cause the ??high? of marijuana.

At its peak before Jan. 31, Overgrow.com had more than 100,000 active members ?? a massive amount for all but the largest web sites, and certainly for one that exchanged information that is illegal in most places.

Jan. 31, the site disappeared. Poof. Up in smoke, you might say.
It had warned users a couple of days earlier that it would be undergoing server upgrades, so expect some outages. So no one panicked.

A day later, the site was still gone. Potheads, who are notoriously paranoid already, began to wig out.

What if the site had been busted? Would members be subject to prosecution based on the information they had shared on the site? Had authorities been watching the whole time, building up information so they could attack?

The war begins
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GreenThum43215: A lot of people around here are freaking out.

Probably an understatement.

I started searching the Internet for information about Overgrow.com. I found a slew of forums and dozens of sites repeating the same news: Overgrow.com and its parent site, Heaven??s Stairway, had been shut down, their Canadian owner arrested, his house raided and his family jailed.

Heaven??s Stairway was a seed distribution company. Marijuana growers call the seeds ??beans.? Heaven??s Stairway, according to Canadian pot activist Marc Emery, had to be the largest seed merchant in North America, selling cannabis seeds all across Canada and the United States, and probably to other countries, too.

The stories on the Internet didn??t answer some key questions. Were the Web sites shut down by Canadian authorities, or were they, as Emery??s own bust nine months earlier, done in cooperation with the DEA?

Who was the mysterious owner of the sites, and what happened to him? Was he in jail? Was he out? Was he even alive?

What happened to the records of his seed business and the logs on his site that could possibly lead police to those who frequented the site?

Internet forums were atwitter with the details ?? or lack of them.

It seems the sites were owned by a Richard Calrisian in Montreal.
But later, it seemed ??Calrisian? had been an alias. His real name was Richard Baghdadlian. And later, it seemed ??Richard? was an alias, too. His real name, they asserted, was Hratch Baghdadlian.

No one seemed to be able to find any official records of his arrest, or even of an investigation.

That, the growers seemed unified in believing, was even more ominous. If the cops had busted Baghdadlian but hadn??t arrested him, it could be that they were still investigating ?? or worse, Baghdadlian was cooperating with them, singing like a canary, selling out seed customers, seed merchants and growers all over the continent.

I called the Royal Canadian Mounted Police headquarters in Ottawa.

??We don??t confirm or deny if there is an ongoing investigation,? said Sgt. Nathalie Dechenes, spokesman for the RCMP. ??So we wouldn??t tell you either way. I don??t know if we even have authority to shut down Web sites.?

So I called Emery, who was busted nine months ago and is facing extradition to the United States on charges of selling marijuana seeds in the U.S.

??I??m facing 31 years in a maximum security federal prison,? Emery said. ??It seems to me if Baghdadlian was facing the same thing, he might have started cooperating if they offered to drop the investigation in the U.S. and keep him in Canada.?

Emery had run a seed company in competition with Heaven??s Stairway. When he was busted, his computers were seized (??Nothing was on them,? he said), and his clients in the United States started receiving blue sheets of paper asking them to confirm orders they had placed with his company.

??It was essentially an effort to try to get them to incriminate themselves,? he said. ??But most were smart enough to hit my Web site and find out it was the DEA and not us sending those notices out.?

Meanwhile, several cannabis-related sites were breaking out into full civil war over the Overgrow debacle.

On one side was a fomer movie actor who had had a bit part in a Jean-Claude VanDamme flick and now was calling himself ??Gypsy Nirvana.? He claimed to have spoken with ??RC,? which was a pseudonym for Baghdadlian (growers seem to be big on initials and acronyms).

RC, Nirvana assured everyone, had been arrested, but he was out on bail and he had shut down the servers when he learned of the impending raid ?? everyone??s information was safe.

Dissenters began to surface, however, saying Nirvana had a profit motive in mind; he wanted Heaven??s Stairway??s seed business.

On the other side was someone calling himself ??Plural of Mongoose,? who apparently commanded great respect in the growing community. He also claimed to have spoken with RC, who had told him several lies, some of which, combined with a friend being busted, led him to believe RC was cooperating with the authorities.

Caught in the middle was Emery, whose own case had generated a lot of publicity, and who is loved by about half the growing community and violently hated by the other half. Emery??s initial statement on the matter had been that Baghdadlian, tired of the seed business, had decided it was time to bail, so he shut up shop and took off to greener pastures, no pun intended.

The battle raged on in Internet boards with Nirvana accusing Emery of being a jerk for revealing Baghdadlian??s name and phone number on his own site.

Others said Baghdadlian was the jerk for leaving his business partners high and dry, wondering if they could be busted at any time based on information from his servers.

No bust, no investigation, mom says
I called a number given on one site for Baghdadlian. A woman answered and gave her name as ??Mrs. Baghdadlian.?

She confirmed that Hratch is her son and that he was the proprietor of Heaven??s Stairway and Overgrow.com.

??Nothing has happened, there is nothing right now,? she said in an Armenian accent. ??He has not been arrested. There is no investigation.?

I asked her if Baghdadlian had shut the servers down himself. She started stuttering.

??Um,? she said. ??I don??t think I can say anything more than this.?

I asked if she knew where I could reach him to talk to him. She said she did not.

??Wow,? Emery said when I told him about the conversation. ??That sure lends credence to the idea that he took the money and ran.?

It??s possible that Baghdadlian had noticed an increased amount of government servers hitting his sites, saw the writing on the wall and bailed. Emery agreed it was possible.

??Before I was raided, about six weeks before, there was a huge Department of Justice focus on our Web site,? he said. ??Our server logs revealed their IP addresses and we were able to do a whois on them and find out where the hits were coming from.?

Taking the money and running would explain Baghdadlian??s silence ?? and the silence of law enforcement, which had thrown a big media party when they busted Emery, patting themselves very publicly on the back for such a large takedown.

What does it mean to you?
The bottom line is those who were doing business with Baghdadlian and Emery were breaking the law if they were doing it in the United States ?? they took a tremendous risk to break the law, and they are likely wise to be worried.

Doing that business over the Internet may have given people a false sense of security, since the Internet allows people to feel ??anonymous.?

In the marijuana growing community, the disappearance of Overgrow has made them rudely aware that Internet anonymity is an illusion.

For law enforcement, if there was no bust, they may still benefit from Baghdadlian??s disappearance. Growers all over the Internet were proclaiming that they were done ?? they were shutting their operations down for fear ??LEO? would come get them based on information obtained from Baghdadlian??s debacle.

The net gain for law enforcement is a new paranoia in the cannabis-growing world ?? and fewer people growing, which means shorter supply and less headache for ??LEO.?

The average, law-abiding citizen can take a good message away from the mess, too, though. The message:

??You??re never anonymous,? Emery said. ??It??s impossible. Governments are investing huge amounts of money to monitor what??s going on on the Internet. If they??re interested in knowing something, they??ll get it.?

Protecting yourself over the Internet ?? even in legitimate business ?? should take top priority. You may never have thought about breaking a law yourself, but your information is scattered all over the Internet, and those with less scruples than you can easily gain access to it and use it to defraud you.

Be careful. The Internet is still a rough new frontier, much like Oklahoma was in the Land Run years. You may not be facing droughts and maurading bandits, but you face less-than-honest people who will take your information and use it to hurt you.

??Never do business with anyone who won??t give you a real name,? Emery said.

More importantly, never do online business with a company you haven??t thoroughly seen to be trustworthy. Even big companies suffer from ??phishing,? where people will pretend to be the big companies and request personal information from you, which is later used to defraud you.

For those doing illegal business over the Internet, my advice is this: Just don??t.

You can reach Leif M. Wright at 684-2906 or [email protected]. If you??re ??LEO,? you already know that.



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del...
02-19-2006, 04:59 AM
it struck me as kinda weird that this guy (the reporter) apparently posed as a genuine og-er (not saying he wasn't either) just to write this article. were any of you og people aware this was going on? do you recall this 'LeifMWright' guy and any posts in the grow sections or did he hang in the cafe? i'm curious now and wondering if it's going on here too...

turtle420
02-19-2006, 05:01 AM
i'll post the article here before it gets taken off of the public access part of the site...and to make for easier reading...
Good one...

If we really want to bring public attention to this, we need to try and get it posted over @ /.

For sure, OverGrow would make the news three days later. But, do we want that??? I refrained from submitting the OverGrow.com story to /. because of that... I don't know if... you know.... if we want that kind of publicity.

turtle420
02-19-2006, 05:03 AM
it struck me as kinda weird that this guy (the reporter) apparently posed as a genuine og-er (not saying he wasn't either) just to write this article. were any of you og people aware this was going on? do you recall this 'LeifMWright' guy and any posts in the grow sections or did he hang in the cafe? i'm curious now and wondering if it's going on here too...

LeifMWright...
Ok, from the chat @ the top of the article...

But, where was that chat conducted? Since I read OverGrow.com was down, I haven't tried to access it.... is it up? Where did these two guys "chatted"?

lemonboy
02-19-2006, 05:04 AM
it struck me as kinda weird that this guy (the reporter) apparently posed as a genuine og-er (not saying he wasn't either) just to write this article. were any of you og people aware this was going on? do you recall this 'LeifMWright' guy and any posts in the grow sections or did he hang in the cafe? i'm curious now and wondering if it's going on here too...Where does it say he posed as an og-er? I'm not getting that impression from the way it reads to me. Although it does sound like he has a special interest in the story, like a message to friends.

Edit: The thing at the top just looks like someone contacting him over AIM or something.

del...
02-19-2006, 05:10 AM
turtle, years ago when seedbanks had these horrid wars betwen themselves trolls would go around the various sites to blow shit about whoever's service. marc was always an easy target and one day he had enough of the flames and trolls and stupidly said something to the effect, "all you people bitching about my service forget i have your addresses...blah blah blah". then it took off from there that he's a narc...which is total bullshit. i'm no fan of emery and feel he's done more harm to 'the cause' than good, but he stands up for what he believes in and does something (even if not in the best interest at times) while most of us sit on our asses...and i believe he'd never turn over on anyone at any time. what he said was stupid, yes but when not taken out of context you can probably see how it happened and understand it better. ask other old timers around here about the seedbank wars about 6-8 years ago when weedseed, hs, emery and dr greenthumb were at the top of the biz...or check the archives at marihemp! lots of good stuff there that might better explain the mentality of the seed merchants and the biz in general. but be ready to spend days getting into the saga...

turtle420
02-19-2006, 05:17 AM
Hey del..., now that I've got your attention...
Seed sales (pretty direct) going on over @ cultivation...
weedman4u
and
sikishgenus
...

BTW: Thanks for the "Marc the Narc" explanation... I see your point... he just slipped his mind... I too doubt that he'd turn over anybody...

turtle420
02-19-2006, 05:31 AM
Hey del..., now that I've got your attention...
Seed sales (pretty direct) going on over @ cultivation...
weedman4u
and
sikishgenus
...
DAMN! that was fast... ;)