Abortion. Justified or not?

[Whos Carl]

What are you views on abortion?

I support abortion but I think the time that an abortion should be carried out by should be lowered because babies that are born extremely prematurely are surviving at an even lower pregnancy.

[robert42]

wtf r u on today? u been smoking judge judy? lmao jesus

abortion yay i agree with it

YOUR CHOICE WETHER OR NOT U WANT A BABY.

If u got rapped wouldnt u want the choice?

[tonka819]

i think if roe vs. wade was actually abided by, this discussion wouldn't even matter. roe vs. wade states that abortion is legal the first 3 months of pregnancy. Unfortunately only half of the abortions in this country are done in the first trimester.

[BizzleLuvin]

wtf r u on today? u been smoking judge judy? lmao jesus

abortion yay i agree with it

YOUR CHOICE WETHER OR NOT U WANT A BABY.

If u got rapped wouldnt u want the choice?

yeah man, i agree with smoking judge judy, and abortion. its her right. i could type a thousand pages on this topic, buti wont. it will only getme angry.

P.S. filibuster recent supreme court justice Alito, he believs that a woman should not have the right to abortion. check out planned parenthood.com to get the facts on neocon Alito and to sopprt pro-choice. fuck alito, he doesnt even have an ovary, has no idea what its like to be woman. neither does the entire supreme court...not a working ovary in sight.

[robert42]

what do u wanna take away more womens rights? its their right.

why can muslims complain over a cartoon but women cant complain over a choice thats theirs

BURN OUR BRA'S

[Whos Carl]

Thats exactly what I trying to say. They should only allow abortions in the early stages of pregnancy.

[robert42]

^yea agree
kiss?

confirm / deny

[Whos Carl]

I was agreeing with tonka actually rob lol

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

I don't think abortion is right because your ruining the chance of someone to have a life. Also, if the woman did'nt wanna have a baby then she should of used fuckin protection. Not the baby's fault their mum wanted a shag. Also, if the mothers not capible of looking after a baby she can put the baby up for adoption. So i don't think theres any excuses for an abortion apart from "i dont wanna go through the pain of labour" and thats her own fault anyway. But then again, if you were raped and then pregnant, it would totally suck having to give birth to that child, but as i said. adoption.

[robert42]

I was agreeing with tonka actually rob lol
then i take back the kiss offer

abort - no pun intended

[pabloescobar209]

Think about it why ruin 3 lives when you can just prevent one...

[Nochowderforyou]

What are you views on abortion?


What a good question.

I am on both sides of the fence when it comes to abortion.

I strongly believe that abortion should only be done when the victim gets raped, and horribly gets pregnant. No one wants a baby from a horrible attack on their bodies, and abortion should only be carried out under these cirumstances.

When it comes to accidental pregnancies, too bad in my eyes. You should always be careful when having sex. Having sex during one drunken night and getting pregnant...too bad, their (man and woman) fault. You took that risk, you made the mistake, it should be born into this world.

And if there is no way the mother and father can keep it, the least they can do is have an adoption.

There is blood flowing in the babys fetus at 20days, a heartbeat in 24. Of course abortion is murder, in a way, but again, rape is the only time it should be done.

Peace.

[STDzRus]

Pro Choice - Up until three months.

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

What a good question.

I am on both sides of the fence when it comes to abortion.

I strongly believe that abortion should only be done when the victim gets raped, and horribly gets pregnant. No one wants a baby from a horrible attack on their bodies, and abortion should only be carried out under these cirumstances.

When it comes to accidental pregnancies, too bad in my eyes. You should always be careful when having sex. Having sex during one drunken night and getting pregnant...too bad, their (man and woman) fault. You took that risk, you made the mistake, it should be born into this world.

And if there is no way the mother and father can keep it, the least they can do is have an adoption.

There is blood flowing in the babys fetus at 20days, a heartbeat in 24. Of course abortion is murder, in a way, but again, rape is the only time it should be done.

Peace.


I agree with you but im not 100% sure about the whole "abortion if you've been raped", i mean, its not the baby's fault that their dad was a phyco rapist, and i know the mother wud'nt be able to raise this baby after how she got it. But why could'nt she just put the baby up for adoption? It still seems unfair on the baby.

[robert42]

I agree with you but im not 100% sure about the whole "abortion if you've been raped", i mean, its not the baby's fault that their dad was a phyco rapist, and i know the mother wud'nt be able to raise this baby after how she got it. But why could'nt she just put the baby up for adoption? It still seems unfair on the baby.

but that baby aint alive.

and also why should she go through all that just to give it up.

[Whos Carl]

Would you want to have a Dad as a rapist OR not have a life?

[tonka819]

I agree with you but im not 100% sure about the whole "abortion if you've been raped", i mean, its not the baby's fault that their dad was a phyco rapist, and i know the mother wud'nt be able to raise this baby after how she got it. But why could'nt she just put the baby up for adoption? It still seems unfair on the baby.

As for this issue, do you really think a woman would/could endure the emotional stress of having to carry a baby from an incident like that. For 9 months she would have to be reminded of it everyday.

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

Would you want to have a Dad as a rapist OR not have a life?

Why would the person have to find out about their dad? it might be better if the people who adopted this person to make something up about their father. I would rather have a shot at life and have to put up with the fact i was born by having my mother raped then being nothing.

Speaking of which, do you think fetuses have souls? like, when they're inside there mothers growing, do you think they have souls and if they were "aborted" do you think they'd go to heaven???

[friendowl]

abortions are wrong but its better than bring a child thats not wanted into this world.
if people dont want babies than take birth control.

people that get pregnant on accident are fucking stupid and they will raise fucking stupid kids and then i gotta smoke em

[beachguy in thongs]

If abortion were legal, everywhere, then young rich kids would be fucking around without condoms, getting pregnant, and having their parents cover for them. All the poor kids are gonna have the babies, and pretty soon 4 out of 5 people you'll come across will be bastards, born only because they were poor.

[Nochowderforyou]

I said abortion only when raped, because think of the poor women who has to give birth to an unwanted baby, which was concieved in a horrible, sickening way. Giving birth to him/her and knowing that a baby, your baby, your blood, was concieved under such harsh pretences.

I know if I was a mom, and I had to carry around a child for 9months that was a forced, painful, horrifying way to make a baby, I would be sick to my stomach. Knowing that part of my kid has some other part of a man who destroyed my life.

Adopted kids want to know their roots. Happens all the time.

[Awill3449]

Abortion should be legal. It should not be up to the government. If you dont want to have an abortion because its "wrong"...don't have one (if you're a woman). It's really that simple. But those who feel it is acceptable as a last resort should have a safe option available.

Let's face it. Legal or illegal, abortion will be around. In this case, I think it should be safe, clean and professionally done so some teenage girl isn't giving herself an abortion with a hanger. Maybe people should think more about consequences, but you can't legislate sense.

[LovelyTasha]

What are you views on abortion?

I support abortion but I think the time that an abortion should be carried out by should be lowered because babies that are born extremely prematurely are surviving at an even lower pregnancy.

I've had an abortion. I had it last year, at a time when I really couldn't be pregnant. The asshole I was with left me the day after I had the abortion. If I would've gone through with the pregnancy, I would've been facing it alone.

I support abortion 100%. Everyone should have the right to their own bodies.

<3 Tasha

[Irv]

100% pro-choice

[Shelbay]

Against abortion. To many women use it as birth control.

[BizzleLuvin]

Think about it why ruin 3 lives when you can just prevent one...

well said!

[insanity]

I voted for choice, but I def. don't know how I feel about it. On a moral basis, I have some issues with abortion. However, I believe that my opinion is just that: an opinon and I firmly believe people are entitled to make thier own choices.

[BizzleLuvin]

Against abortion. To many women use it as birth control.

thats a bunch of bull crap. do you have any idea how much an abortion costs??? clearly to much to use it as a contraceptive. besides, the emotional and physical damages done after an abortion outweigh its 'convenience' as a method of birth control. most of the time, an abortion is a last resort. adoption takes months to settle, its emotionally draining, costly and not availible to everyone.

[Nullific]

^I don't understand how people use abortion as birth control either. This one time my friend got pregnant but she couldn't afford an abortion which would have costed something like $900. Insurance would only have covered it if the pregnancy was a health risk. She had the child and cares for it, but still would have much rather had an abortion.
Something about forcing a women of any age to have a child disturbs me. Though it can definately be said that my friend and other girls that have unprotected sex should have thought about the consequences before the action, take a look at the world in which we live.
In a perfect world everybody would think about the consequences of everything they are about to do, but this is obviously not a perfect world and even those who may be aware of those consequences do things they know they shouldn't.
Having unprotected sex and getting pregnant is a big mistake and it would really suck to be forced to live it when measures can still be taken to prevent the birth. Not only would having a child in many cases be devastating to the mother but all unwanted children are a burden on society. Not just if and when the state has to care for the child but also due to the likelyhood of them turning delinquent.
For some reason I just can't feel any remorse for a would-be human being smaller than a pea with no intelligence, memories or any perceptual experience. Maybe I am just that kind of cold hearted bastard.
As a man there is absolutely no chance that I will get pregnant, no matter how much sex I have. Knowing that I cannot say that every women who gets pregnant should be forced to go through with it. That would truly make me a cold hearted bastard.

[MullManiac]

Well i believe it is wrong, but i still surport it.

[MullManiac]

Just read the poll, If the woman wanted an abortion and the man didnt what would you think, i think it is just as much the mans choise as the womans.

[Nullific]

Have you considered that the woman is the one that would have to carry it for nine (9) months before going into agonizing labor? All the man had to do was ejaculate, something he can do again and again. To force a female to carry a child she doesn't want is no less an atrocity than torture. You might as well have raped her, really.

[sdffa11]

you forgot one last option, it should be mutally agreed upon the man and woman. why should only the woman decide...the guy should have a say in it too because its his baby. the bitch is just carrying it. HA

[bonsaiguy]

I agree that women (minors are another issue) should be allowed to control their bodies and that the government has no business telling anyone how to manage their bodily functions however I firmly believe that abortion is not a valid or ethical form of birth control. There is little or no excuse for "accidents" in todays world. And the evidence is mounting on a daily basis just how unhealthy, physically and psychologically, abortions are for women.

Girls...remember you have the power to use birth control, remember the mantra no glove no love and of course, keep your legs together. If your bf really loves and respects you...he'll wear a condom if it means he ain't gettin any without one. And don't forget that if you do get pregnant...there's always adoption.

Boys...same message as above and no matter what she tells you she is taking, pills, shots, etc etc....you can't wear too many. And don't give me any crap about how it "doesn't feel as good"...it feels a lot worse to be a dad at 16.
Remember which head has the brain. Respect those young ladies and treat them well. And if you do screw up, take responsibility!!

And keep in mind that also in todays world, sex really can kill.

To paraphrase Robert Palmer in this AIDS infested world...
Might as well face it you're a dick in a glove.

[stonercarebare419]

i think abortion depends on how far along the mother is. these partial birth abortions that are goin on are fucked up, if its not cold blooded murder i dont know what it.
on the other hand, if the mother is only 6-10wks pregnant, in my head, its not a baby, its a sack of cells.

[Shelbay]

thats a bunch of bull crap. do you have any idea how much an abortion costs??? clearly to much to use it as a contraceptive. besides, the emotional and physical damages done after an abortion outweigh its 'convenience' as a method of birth control. most of the time, an abortion is a last resort. adoption takes months to settle, its emotionally draining, costly and not availible to everyone.
I really don't think you know everything...your just a young ignorant slut that probably uses abortion as your form of birth control if you are speaking from experience. Abortion here costs 350-500 depending on the individual which is nothing for some women who can suck cock like a bong huh? Teenagers DO use it as a form of Birth Control...do some research instead of trying to tell me whats bullshit imo. You picked the wrong woman to try and "quote" that crap to. As far as adoption...young girls sell their babies every day...as I said before money can buy anything...so please don't try to educate me with your "knowledge". And guess what...at least try condoms and all the costs and emotions could be avoided in the first place..or better yet...grow up and abstain until your old enough to understand your actions. If you think you are old enough for sex ..well guess what..complications can come with it so just do it the old fashioned way and abstain until marriage. So the real bullshit is that some of you younger "girls" that THINK you know everything...you don't. Abortion is used as a form of Birth Control. You make all kind of excuses that women can't afford it as a method of Birth control? Oh please...keep your darn legs closed then.

[Shelbay]

I agree that women (minors are another issue) should be allowed to control their bodies and that the government has no business telling anyone how to manage their bodily functions however I firmly believe that abortion is not a valid or ethical form of birth control. There is little or no excuse for "accidents" in todays world. And the evidence is mounting on a daily basis just how unhealthy, physically and psychologically, abortions are for women.

Girls...remember you have the power to use birth control, remember the mantra no glove no love and of course, keep your legs together. If your bf really loves and respects you...he'll wear a condom if it means he ain't gettin any without one. And don't forget that if you do get pregnant...there's always adoption.

Boys...same message as above and no matter what she tells you she is taking, pills, shots, etc etc....you can't wear too many. And don't give me any crap about how it "doesn't feel as good"...it feels a lot worse to be a dad at 16.
Remember which head has the brain. Respect those young ladies and treat them well. And if you do screw up, take responsibility!!

And keep in mind that also in todays world, sex really can kill.

To paraphrase Robert Palmer in this AIDS infested world...
Might as well face it you're a dick in a glove.
Darn good post! Maybe some of these younger ones will take heed but I doubt it....

[STDzRus]

I really don't think you know everything...your just a young ignorant slut that probably uses abortion as your form of birth control if you are speaking from experience. Abortion here costs 350-500 depending on the individual which is nothing for some women who can suck cock like a bong huh? Teenagers DO use it as a form of Birth Control...do some research instead of trying to tell me whats bullshit imo. You picked the wrong woman to try and "quote" that crap to. As far as adoption...young girls sell their babies every day...as I said before money can buy anything...so please don't try to educate me with your "knowledge". And guess what...at least try condoms and all the costs and emotions could be avoided in the first place..or better yet...grow up and abstain until your old enough to understand your actions. If you think you are old enough for sex ..well guess what..complications can come with it so just do it the old fashioned way and abstain until marriage. So the real bullshit is that some of you younger "girls" that THINK you know everything...you don't. Abortion is used as a form of Birth Control. You make all kind of excuses that women can't afford it as a method of Birth control? Oh please...keep your darn legs closed then.

You're talking shit when in truth...you have alot of your stuff twisted Shelbay.

[Shelbay]

yeah man, i agree with smoking judge judy, and abortion. its her right. i could type a thousand pages on this topic, buti wont. it will only getme angry.

P.S. filibuster recent supreme court justice Alito, he believs that a woman should not have the right to abortion. check out planned parenthood.com to get the facts on neocon Alito and to sopprt pro-choice. fuck alito, he doesnt even have an ovary, has no idea what its like to be woman. neither does the entire supreme court...not a working ovary in sight.
Go Alito! And if you think your angry?? Well it' makes some of us angry that irresponsible people use abortion as a form of Birth Control..so do what we do...get over it.

[Shelbay]

you forgot one last option, it should be mutally agreed upon the man and woman. why should only the woman decide...the guy should have a say in it too because its his baby. the bitch is just carrying it. HA
I agree with that! Some of you even pay child support for kids that you KNOW are not yours but your still court ordered to do it....man..women can be some evil B*****s!

[STDzRus]

I agree with that! Some of you even pay child support for kids that you KNOW are not yours but your still court ordered to do it....man..women can be some evil B*****s!
Couldn't agree with you more!

[bonsaiguy]

Shelbay, I agree with Bizzle in the sense that most young girls do not intentionally use abortion as a form of BC. A good number of abortions are performed on middle, upper middle, or upper class women who are either not interested in becoming mothers or have gotten themselves in to a position that they don't want their hubbys to know about. From what I've read and seen, most of these younger girls end up getting abortions because they didn't think first and use it as a last act of desperation. Abortion has sadly become a huge generator of income for the clinics and doctors that perform.
But Bizzle, you are dead wrong that there are so many "difficulties" with giving babies up for adoption. There are literally tens of thousands of couples who wouldl love to adopt a baby and there are a lot of services, both public and private (mostly through religious agencies, catholic, protestant, jewish etc) that will help and support women through the pre natal period and well beyond with monetary, housing, educational and adoption services that don't cost a dime for the women who they service.

Shelbay, you were a bit out of line in your response to Bizzle especially labeling her a slut. I think you owe her an apology.

[STDzRus]

Shelbay, you were a bit out of line in your response to Bizzle especially labeling her a slut. I think you owe her an apology.

I second that. Can't we ever just share our opinions without throwing deragotary and defaming terms around?

[bonsaiguy]

And on the issue of the men being involved, by all means yes. That unborn child is the product of two sets of chromosomes and it didn't get there by some immaculate conception. And if the girl is a minor, the parents should also be involved in any deciscion that involves a surgical procedure on their child. Yes, there are and should be exceptions to that since many parents are not worth a shit in a rainbarrel.

[bonsaiguy]

I second that. Can't we ever just share our opinions without throwing deragotary and defaming terms around?
We should be able to but this is one of the most hot button issues one can think of.

[Shelbay]

You're talking shit when in truth...you have alot of your stuff twisted Shelbay.
Thats your opinion...but its not twisted imo. If you guys want some articles posted concerning this I can but can you then refute me with your facts if I am talking shit...deal? Women get pregnant..don't want the baby..and then kill it. If not ready for resposibilities use BIRTH CONTROL. Out of all the millions of abortions each year you honestly believe they were all accidents? NO the majority because they are to lazy and know all to just take a pill a day and buy condoms..heck they are free some place! Not all but most use abortion over and over...and that is birth control to me..the way I look at. Oh and lets not forget the glorious morning after pill..thats available so why wait until your months along and then kill the baby?

[bonsaiguy]

Thats your opinion...but its not twisted imo. If you guys want some articles posted concerning this I can but can you then refute me with your facts if I am talking shit...deal? Women get pregnant..don't want the baby..and then kill it. If not ready for resposibilities use BIRTH CONTROL. Out of all the millions of abortions each year you honestly believe they were all accidents? NO the majority because they are to lazy and know all to just take a pill a day and buy condoms..heck they are free some place! Not all but most use abortion over and over...and that is birth control to me..the way I look at. Oh and lets not forget the glorious morning after pill..thats available so why wait until your months along and then kill the baby?

You'll get no argument from me on most of what you just said. In this day and age there is little or no excuse for an accidental pregnancy.
And I still think you owe Bizzle an apology for calling her a slut.

[STDzRus]

Thats your opinion...but its not twisted imo. If you guys want some articles posted concerning this I can but can you then refute me with your facts if I am talking shit...deal? Women get pregnant..don't want the baby..and then kill it. If not ready for resposibilities use BIRTH CONTROL. Out of all the millions of abortions each year you honestly believe they were all accidents? NO the majority because they are to lazy and know all to just take a pill a day and buy condoms..heck they are free some place! Not all but most use abortion over and over...and that is birth control to me..the way I look at. Oh and lets not forget the glorious morning after pill..thats available so why wait until your months along and then kill the baby?

They use it over and over again because ABORTIONS increase chance for birth failure later on. Also, it cannot be used so openly recreationally as you think, MANY MANY doctours refuse to use it in this matter.

You must live in a really fucked up place with doctors that give a damn...

Just a question...

Are you including contraceptive (The Morning After / PLAN B) pills as an abortion method?

[Shelbay]

Shelbay, I agree with Bizzle in the sense that most young girls do not intentionally use abortion as a form of BC. A good number of abortions are performed on middle, upper middle, or upper class women who are either not interested in becoming mothers or have gotten themselves in to a position that they don't want their hubbys to know about. From what I've read and seen, most of these younger girls end up getting abortions because they didn't think first and use it as a last act of desperation. Abortion has sadly become a huge generator of income for the clinics and doctors that perform.
But Bizzle, you are dead wrong that there are so many "difficulties" with giving babies up for adoption. There are literally tens of thousands of couples who wouldl love to adopt a baby and there are a lot of services, both public and private (mostly through religious agencies, catholic, protestant, jewish etc) that will help and support women through the pre natal period and well beyond with monetary, housing, educational and adoption services that don't cost a dime for the women who they service.

Shelbay, you were a bit out of line in your response to Bizzle especially labeling her a slut. I think you owe her an apology.
I owe her nothing! If she had wanted a debate with respect then show respect and that is what you get. She labeled me from the get go so no apology is forthcoming from me. I have been called much worse on this board and NEVER given an apology so I am sure she will be okay....I don't like her posts ....and if she don't like mine..then next time try a different approach and we can have a respectful debate. Talk trash to me and thats what you get back. Teenagers DO use abortion as a form of Birth Control...millions over the years..its so easy to kill a baby instead of abstaining or taking a pill everyday. If my posts and opinions offend you...don't read them. Where were you when I was called everything from a to Z on here demanding an apology?? hmmm. There was more I wanted to say but I did refrain sooo..you guys get over it. When you feel the need to defend another poster...do it for all...not just pick and choose k.

[dj defibrillator]

Just take a minute and think about the chances that someone in your family history was an 'accidental' child, even a bastard child. I think for most of us the chances are pretty good.

I'm not trying to defend this... trend. But its a fact of life. People fuck and sometimes a baby comes as a result of it. I've nothing against fucking, and I'm totally down with the notion that society still has a suffocatingly masculine perspective on things, and laws about abortion are generally a good indicator as to where society is in this regard. But all of this still doesn't change the fact that inside a woman's belly there is a LIVING human being, who has no less of a right to life than his mother.

Think about it; the whole thing is one of the tragic flaws of humanity.

[Shelbay]

They use it over and over again because ABORTIONS increase chance for birth failure later on. Also, it cannot be used so openly recreationally as you think, MANY MANY doctours refuse to use it in this matter.

You must live in a really fucked up place with doctors that give a damn...

Just a question...

Are you including contraceptive (The Morning After / PLAN B) pills as an abortion method?
Yes I do live in a place where abortion clinincs are bombed (actually Eric Rudolph bombed one here about 35 miles from where I live) and the Docotors for the majority are doing it for the money. To not seem contadictory..yes I believe contaceptive (morning after) as an abortion. These are my beliefs just as you or anyone have your beliefs. I'm older now so my beliefs are not the majority on this board but where I live...yes they are the majority..our way of life. If one must do an abortion why not take the pill and not wait until the baby is actually formed? And the partial birth thing?? Sickening! As I said..this is me..respect my viewpoints and I give respect back...even if I don't agree.

[STDzRus]

Yes I do live in a place where abortion clinincs are bombed (actually Eric Rudolph bombed one here about 35 miles from where I live) and the Docotors for the majority are doing it for the money. To not seem contadictory..yes I believe contaceptive (morning after) as an abortion. These are my beliefs just as you or anyone have your beliefs. I'm older now so my beliefs are not the majority on this board but where I live...yes they are the majority..our way of life. If one must do an abortion why not take the pill and not wait until the baby is actually formed? And the partial birth thing?? Sickening! As I said..this is me..respect my viewpoints and I give respect back...even if I don't agree.

You can't demand respect, but I'm not saying I disrespect or respect any views. I like to remain neutral. I do respect your voice for opinion.

Just a tad bit of info you should know, contraceptive does not kill a baby. It stops the sperm from inseminating the egg and continuing to grow. It does nothing to a fetus. Give me just a few minutes to support my claim with links.

[Shelbay]

You'll get no argument from me on most of what you just said. In this day and age there is little or no excuse for an accidental pregnancy.
And I still think you owe Bizzle an apology for calling her a slut.
I tell you what...you think about getting her to apologize for telling me what I view is BS and we will go from there okay? I stand by my words on this one.Its your right to think what you want...just as it is my right to call a woman acting like a slut a slut right?

[STDzRus]

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morning-after-pill/AN00592
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/sex_relationships/facts/morningafterpill.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning-after_pill

^_^

[Shelbay]

You can't demand respect, but I'm not saying I disrespect or respect any views. I like to remain neutral. I do respect your voice for opinion.

Just a tad bit of info you should know, contraceptive does not kill a baby. It stops the sperm from inseminating the egg and continuing to grow. It does nothing to a fetus. Give me just a few minutes to support my claim with links.
Well I can't demand respect but when you give it is what you get back. I also understand contraceptives...have for years but my belief is that anything that stops a normal pregnancy is wrong....once again...my opinion.After I read your links..I will post my links to prove my viewpoint. Thanks for discussing this without the name calling...I listen alot more when someone approaches with facts and not the names I have been called because I am not the majority. Oh...and I do need to work on my internet skills because here at home...respect IS given.

[STDzRus]

Well I can't demand respect but when you give it is what you get back. I also understand contraceptives...have for years but my belief is that anything that stops a normal pregnancy is wrong....once again...my opinion.After I read your links..I will post my links to prove my viewpoint. Thanks for discussing this without the name calling...I listen alot more when someone approaches with facts and not the names I have been called because I am not the majority. Oh...and I do need to work on my internet skills because here at home...respect IS given.
Don't take my refusal to give respect , or to take respect, to deny respect or anything as an insult Shelbay. I take nothing personal.

And ok! ^_^

[Shelbay]

Maybe I should stop taking things personal:o I just abhore abortion but I am not the creator or the girl so I will lighten up...I apologize. BUT I do detest abortion!

[STDzRus]

Maybe I should stop taking things personal:o I just abhore abortion but I am not the creator or the girl so I will lighten up...I apologize. BUT I do detest abortion!
:D It's great that you detest abortion, that you have a voice in this country, and that you carry a solid frame of thought on your opinions! Never let anybody convince you otherwise of your opinions, but always be open minded, the more you know, the more you grow.

[Shelbay]

Very True.Thanks. And I was raised better than to call another woman that name...I took anger at another person out on her in my post saying she was a slut and I shouldn't have...I'm not perfect...remember I am a woman to. Now when someone like you lemonboy and a few others "talk" with sense and some respect of understanding on my post..I listen alot more,so thanks again. Plus its no excuse but I really want to smoke one and there have been 140 FBI,ATF,ABI knocking on our doors for two days!! Someone burned 10 churches (Baptist) around this area and other counties and its literally crawling with these guys...think I will just read and not post until I get my brain going right again. Oh...and where is my congrats on my 420th post? haha

[smokey]

i guess in my opinion it depends on the situation like the rape issue for instance or if they babys serverly handicapped (by this i means ones tht will never have anything close to a nomal life)
but like whoscarl says only in the early stages

[Torog]

What are you views on abortion?

I support abortion but I think the time that an abortion should be carried out by should be lowered because babies that are born extremely prematurely are surviving at an even lower pregnancy.

Howdy Carl,

I believe that once a child is concieved,that the right to life of the infant,takes precedence over a woman's right to choose,the father should have a say also..as to whether or not the mother will 'murder' his child.

If a woman gits pregnant,because of irresponsible sex,I believe that she has even less of a right to murder her child,that she should bring the child to term and learn to think of her child's needs,before her own. It's both penance and punishment,however,at some point,she may find that she's fallen in love with her child..it would be the best outcome for sure.

Also,it's been found,that long-lasting mental damage can occur to those women who do abort their children,I have yet-to talk to a woman who hasn't regretted aborting their child.

Instead of murdering children,why can't folks be more responsible when making the decision to have sex ? Why must the child suffer for the sins of the parents ?

Have a good one ...

[pabloescobar209]

Howdy Carl,

I believe that once a child is concieved,that the right to life of the infant,takes precedence over a woman's right to choose,the father should have a say also..as to whether or not the mother will 'murder' his child.

If a woman gits pregnant,because of irresponsible sex,I believe that she has even less of a right to murder her child,that she should bring the child to term and learn to think of her child's needs,before her own. It's both penance and punishment,however,at some point,she may find that she's fallen in love with her child..it would be the best outcome for sure.

Also,it's been found,that long-lasting mental damage can occur to those women who do abort their children,I have yet-to talk to a woman who hasn't regretted aborting their child.

Instead of murdering children,why can't folks be more responsible when making the decision to have sex ? Why must the child suffer for the sins of the parents ?

Have a good one ...
like i said before... why ruin three lives when you can stop one from happening.

[Torog]

like i said before... why ruin three lives when you can stop one from happening.

Howdy pablo,

Every child is a blessing and lives can be changed for the better,by taking on the responsibility of parent-hood and who knows..could be the parents will fall in love with their child and be forever the better for it.

At what point,do the parents take responsibility for their bad choices ? In the liberal world,it don't happen much,because liberals believe that they have the right to engage in irresponsible sex..and if a child is a result of such,and is an 'in-convience',they can just trot on down to their nearest baby-killing clinic..then go out and do it all over again..pretty dang sad.

Again I ask--why must the child suffer for the debauchery and sins of it's parents ?

Have a good one ...

[pabloescobar209]

Howdy pablo,

Every child is a blessing and lives can be changed for the better,by taking on the responsibility of parent-hood and who knows..could be the parents will fall in love with their child and be forever the better for it.

At what point,do the parents take responsibility for their bad choices ? In the liberal world,it don't happen much,because liberals believe that they have the right to engage in irresponsible sex..and if a child is a result of such,and is an 'in-convience',they can just trot on down to their nearest baby-killing clinic..then go out and do it all over again..pretty dang sad.

Again I ask--why must the child suffer for the debauchery and sins of it's parents ?

Have a good one ...i understand your point but look at it like this. if you make them have the kid, what kind of life will that kid have?? you can say they might fall in love with it, but lets face it and be realistic. why force people who are unable or unwilling to commit to parenthood into it, when we have an alternative. There is plenty of people out there that are ready to commit to having and caring for a child, so why fill the world with children that have been raised by unfit parents?

[Torog]

i understand your point but look at it like this. if you make them have the kid, what kind of life will that kid have?? you can say they might fall in love with it, but lets face it and be realistic. why force people who are unable or unwilling to commit to parenthood into it, when we have an alternative. There is plenty of people out there that are ready to commit to having and caring for a child, so why fill the world with children that have been raised by unfit parents?

Howdy pablo,

Well..I'm an old fashioned feller,I think folks engaging in casual sex that results in a child,deserve the 'punishment' of having to be accountable for their choices..and if they means raising a child and gittin married--then so be it. I say --unfit parents..need to be transformed into fit parents,or else git sterilized until they are ready to accept the consequences of irresponsible sex. I believe in adoption,but not adoption by gays.

Bringing a child into the world,and raising it,is greater than the wants and needs of the parents. When a child is born,it's time for the parents to grow up and be responsible,not to shirk responsibility and go on leading lives of irresponsiblity..and the child should have the right to life..because every child has the potential of being greater than the sum of it's parents.

Have a good one ....

[pabloescobar209]

Howdy pablo,

Well..I'm an old fashioned feller,I think folks engaging in casual sex that results in a child,deserve the 'punishment' of having to be accountable for their choices..and if they means raising a child and gittin married--then so be it. I say --unfit parents..need to be transformed into fit parents,or else git sterilized until they are ready to accept the consequences of irresponsible sex. I believe in adoption,but not adoption by gays.

Bringing a child into the world,and raising it,is greater than the wants and needs of the parents. When a child is born,it's time for the parents to grow up and be responsible,not to shirk responsibility and go on leading lives of irresponsiblity..and the child should have the right to life..because every child has the potential of being greater than the sum of it's parents.

Have a good one ....
Lets just agree that there are good points for and against this issue and we will never change eachothers views.

[Torog]

Lets just agree that there are good points for and against this issue and we will never change eachothers views.

Howdy pablo,

Agreeing to disagree ? I like that ! :thumbsup:

I'm pretty set in my beliefs,but I do try to remain open to reason and to be able to allow for some flexibility on issues..I realise that I don't have all of the answers and never will.

Have a good one !

[pabloescobar209]

Howdy pablo,

Agreeing to disagree ? I like that ! :thumbsup:

I'm pretty set in my beliefs,but I do try to remain open to reason and to be able to allow for some flexibility on issues..I realise that I don't have all of the answers and never will.

Have a good one !
Good talking with you Torog, you're the most level-headed person on here... PS i wish i was in Texas where it was warm, it's about 20 degrees here:rasta:

[ultimatenyc]

why bring an unwanted child into this world?

[pabloescobar209]

why bring an unwanted child into this world?
well torog is saying people have to be accountable for there actions, which i don't dissagree with... but i think that a child growing up with "unfit"( unfit meaning... not financially stable, mentally stable, or just being plain bad parents... ei Brittney Spears driving with her 5month old in her lap) just makes for a polluted society filled with people who aren't raised right and end up like killers, paris hilton etc. but torog makes the point that a child can become more than the sum of it's parents... any argument can be cancelled out by an agrument from the opposite point of view... so why argue???

[Rarrr]

I think the timing on abortion is essential. If the foetus has no consciousness then its not living. Just a shell of organic matter

[lizzie on low]

Abortion should be legal. It should not be up to the government. If you dont want to have an abortion because its "wrong"...don't have one (if you're a woman). It's really that simple. But those who feel it is acceptable as a last resort should have a safe option available.

Let's face it. Legal or illegal, abortion will be around. In this case, I think it should be safe, clean and professionally done so some teenage girl isn't giving herself an abortion with a hanger. Maybe people should think more about consequences, but you can't legislate sense.

I agree with this statement. Abortion, in one form or another, has existed for hundreds of years.

I think I've got an interesting perspective on abortion - I was diagnosed as infertile when I was a teen and I am at a high risk for passing on serrious genetic disorders, and became pregnant at 21, which was a shock. Both my fiance and I agreed to go to Planned Parenthood. Something happened there that neither of us can explain. We saw our son. (Well, we didn't know it was a boy, but you know what I mean.) We went back home, talked about it, and we decided to keep baby Jeff. He's a wonderful child, and we both love him. He is 4 and a half months and just learned to roll over this week, and he cut his first tooth too!

But because of this, I had my tubes tied two months ago by my doctor. Jeff is totally normal, but the odds weren't good. I don't want to have to make the choice to abort a fetus who has a serrious genetic disorder. If we want another child, we'll adopt.

There is so much grey ground in regards to this issue that I believe it must be left to the parents (or parent, as the case may be with deadbeats). I'm glad the option was avalible to me, and I'm glad it's avalible to others, and I hope it continues to be that way. I am very much in favor of father's rights in regards to this issue, however. I had a classmate in college abort a child out of spite for the father, and that was the most disgusting act I'd ever heard of. A baby is 50/50, and both parties should be on the same page.

I don't think that abortion should be so cloak-and-dagger. Let people see the images of how it is preformed. It is not a plesant procedure. Perhaps this will motivate them to think before having unprotected sex. But this requires open sexual education courses in every classroom, in every high school. We should remove the culture of shame that surounds birth control, abortion, and adoption. I beleve then we'd see some real change.

Sorry for writing so much... the topic interests me.

[buddymyfriend]

Okay I'm pro abortion for many reason already stated in other posts. But my question be how many abortions should be allowed, is there a limit?

Peace

Buddy

[Satan666]

All for abortion. Make the CHOICE.

[Awill3449]

Howdy Carl,

I believe that once a child is concieved,that the right to life of the infant,takes precedence over a woman's right to choose,the father should have a say also..as to whether or not the mother will 'murder' his child.

If a woman gits pregnant,because of irresponsible sex,I believe that she has even less of a right to murder her child,that she should bring the child to term and learn to think of her child's needs,before her own. It's both penance and punishment,however,at some point,she may find that she's fallen in love with her child..it would be the best outcome for sure.

Also,it's been found,that long-lasting mental damage can occur to those women who do abort their children,I have yet-to talk to a woman who hasn't regretted aborting their child.

Instead of murdering children,why can't folks be more responsible when making the decision to have sex ? Why must the child suffer for the sins of the parents ?

Have a good one ...

I agree almost 100%...Except I dont believe abortion is murder. It should be legal.

But, to prevent them from happening, more condoms and contraception (including the morning after pill) need to be made available to those who would use them

Doing THAT will prevent abortions. And then everyone will be happy...right?;)

[LovelyTasha]

Howdy Carl,

I believe that once a child is concieved,that the right to life of the infant,takes precedence over a woman's right to choose,the father should have a say also..as to whether or not the mother will 'murder' his child.

If a woman gits pregnant,because of irresponsible sex,I believe that she has even less of a right to murder her child,that she should bring the child to term and learn to think of her child's needs,before her own. It's both penance and punishment,however,at some point,she may find that she's fallen in love with her child..it would be the best outcome for sure.

Also,it's been found,that long-lasting mental damage can occur to those women who do abort their children,I have yet-to talk to a woman who hasn't regretted aborting their child.

Instead of murdering children,why can't folks be more responsible when making the decision to have sex ? Why must the child suffer for the sins of the parents ?

Have a good one ...

There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about the room I was in, when I had mine. Long-lasting mental damage..definitely.

<3 Tasha

[amsterdam]

Abortion is barbaric and disgusting and if a women can live with herself after doing something as cruel as that than so be it. I don't think the govt. should be allowed to say what she can and can't do with her own body though. Abortion needs to be strictly regulated and watched very carefully(especially planned parenthood who will give an eight year old an abortion)

[Torog]

There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about the room I was in, when I had mine. Long-lasting mental damage..definitely.

<3 Tasha

Howdy Tasha,

Thanx for weighing in on this point..it's important to consider the impact of dong such..and I pray that you can come to peace about it. :)

Have a good one !

[NightProwler]

too many damn people in this world already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lily420]

I think abortion should only be used for those whom can not live through labor or the child during birth. But that is the only time i will ever see eye to eye on this matter.

[bonsaiguy]

I have no doubt that if the right to lifers and the pro choicers would stop their silly pissing match's and protests and work togetherto educate and help kids, prevent unwanted pregnancies and save babies(which is what they claim to be doing)...abortion would be virtually eliminated. Sadly the truth of the matter has been lost in the greed, ideology and selfishness of both industries and make no mistake about it, both the pro choice and the pro life sides have become multi billion dollar industries as well as a means to make a grab for political power.