The Death Penalty. Whats your views?

[Whos Carl]

So is the death penalty ever justified?

I personally think it should only be used very rarely for people who commit such evil attrocities and not just for murderers.

So what is everyone elses opinion on the death penalty?

[robert42]

U KILL

U SHOULD DIE.

[Nochowderforyou]

I'm for the death penatly. I don't see the point of sentencing someone to prison for 105yrs, just for them to have roof, food, cable TV on our tax dollars, even though they're going to die there anyways. If a person gets more than 70yrs in prison, and they are of legal age, the death penalty should be done. Why waste money on waste on keeping them alive for that many years.

I can't imagine how much it costs to feed, cloth, and keep sanity alive (eg.entertainment) in each prisoner each year. What, like, $2000-$5000 a year on each prisonaer maybe?

If a murderer murders someone in cold blood, then they deserve to die, period.
My 2cents, so please don't flame me :)

Peace

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

Its not up to us who lives and who dies. Its as horrible as what the people themselves have done. Having them locked up in a cell is the right thing to do. But NOTHING gives us the right to decide who lives and who dies.

[BizzleLuvin]

hey, i think that if the criminal cannot in some way contribute back to socitey, and may as well rot and take up space and taxpayers' money, than they should die. its a waste of money, time, and of a human to keep them in a cell to waste away in depression and purgatory.

BTW i am for legit eugenics and sterilization. it may be morbid, but its what i believe.

[Nochowderforyou]

Its not up to us who lives and who dies. Its as horrible as what the people themselves have done. Having them locked up in a cell is the right thing to do. But NOTHING gives us the right to decide who lives and who dies.

Yes, we do have that right because OUR tax dollars keep them alive in jail. OUR money, OUR choice. That's what I think anyways, when it comes to the court system anyways.

[friendowl]

i believe that many people get away with crimes that we dont notice.
pedophiles.rapists,all kind of sickos and they get less time than drug addicts.
would you rather leave your kids with a pot head neighbor or granpa who likes to finger his grankids.
I MYSELF WILL DELIVER JUSTICE AS I SEE FIT
i have no conscence for things like this.
fuck the gov.and their justice system
THE STREETS DELIVER THE BEST FORM OF JUSTICE IV EVER SEEN.
GOV SHOULD TAKES NOTES ON GANG PHILOSOPHY.

[BizzleLuvin]

oh and please dont flame me either, im just speaking my mind.

[Whos Carl]

I really feel I should say this. What if they convict the wrong person for the crime and then kill them? Thats why I think it should be for only extremely evil crimes.

[robert42]

yea but carl thats not the executioners problem thats the p o l i c e

[STDzRus]

Use it in Rape, Mass Murder, and Cold Blooded Murder.

[Whos Carl]

But it is someones fault for killing an innocent person that if the death penalty was not used would still be alive!

[STDzRus]

I really feel I should say this. What if they convict the wrong person for the crime and then kill them? Thats why I think it should be for only extremely evil crimes.
Have you ever seen The Life Of David Gale?

[robert42]

yea but that just has no theory really u cant blame someone for someone elses job

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

Yes, we do have that right because OUR tax dollars keep them alive in jail. OUR money, OUR choice. That's what I think anyways, when it comes to the court system anyways.

So you rather their be no prison system atall? Lol. I know this may sound stupid but im gonna go religious on your ass, lol. It is believed that no matter how many people you have killed, as long as your truely sorry for these crimes that you have done, then God will forgive you for these sins and you'll go to heaven, if someone gets the death penalty and then killed, and goes to hell. Then they'll be in hell, but if they're rotting in a cell, they might realise what they have done is wrong. Which in a way, is saving a soul. I see prison as a timeout for the person to see what they have done is wrong, if they realise this then they're good soul is returned, but if they get the chair then they're never gonna be good. Plus, i count the death penalty as murder as well, even if the person who is under the death penalty is guility of murder or rape ect.

[Whos Carl]

Have you ever seen The Life Of David Gale?


No I havent. Would you care to outline the plot?

[JBlaze82]

if they have proof that a person killed someone then that person should get the death penalty.....what they should do is speed up the damn process....express lane haha

[pabloescobar209]

I beleive the law should be changed to fit the circumstances of the situation at hand in a murder case, i say this because having death as a penalty for murder does not stop the murders from happening. People that are really crazy enough to kill don't care about going to jail for it, let alone death. So where does that leave us, i don't know... kill them???

[vincevaper]

You're point is why I'm against it, Who's Carl.
There's way too much evidence (still mounting) of wrongful convictions to justify the use of such an extreme sentence. Across the board, in principle I'm against it.

[beachguy in thongs]

Use it in Rape, Mass Murder, and Cold Blooded Murder.
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[STDzRus]

No I havent. Would you care to outline the plot?


Anti Death Penalty.

David Gale sets himself up for a murder.
They sentence him to death.

It was really a planned suicide on tape.

They release the tape RIGHT after his death just to prove the sytem failed.

[STDzRus]

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[Nochowderforyou]

So you rather their be no prison system at all?

I'm sorry, I didn't read the God speech, as I don't follow the church of God.

My Grandmother prayed for her son every night, "please save Barrys soul" he's now in prison for raping, torturing prostitutes, and crack/cocaine for 10yrs (1yr left). I've seen what "good" praying does every night for someones son. But I won't get into the arguement of religion, as we all have our own beliefs and views.

And, I didn't say NO prison system, no means at all. I said, "anyone who is sentenced for over 70yrs in prison, and is of legal age, who committed murder in cold blood, should be executed" We NEED a prison system man :p It would be anarchy without it

Don't you find it kind of pointless spending money on a nobody, a nothing, who is locked up behind walls, who will remain there until death, do nothing for society or nobody, who killed a life in cold blood? If God were here himself, he would finish the job for them.

Peace.

[Polymirize]

never be used.

I think it's absurd to think "justice" can be found by killing people. Murder is only wrong as long as the victim is an innocent huh? Bullshit.
I understand the desire for vengence, but that's nothing to build a legal system off of.

two cents.

[Whos Carl]

I think they should use the death penalty on anyone linked to extreme terrorism. But that might cause a bit of a backlash among there supporters.

[orangeman]

Why should there be violence? How come we just cant all get together and toke on a hookah and have a good time...lol no but seriously the only time I think the death penalty should be used is if some one rapes or kills alot of people have and have or shows no remorse what so ever when they are in the court room.

[Awill3449]

I'm against, but not very strongly. Personally, I believe is wrong and just perpetuates violence and doesn't prevent crime.

Also, believe it or not, keeping someone in jail for life is actually cheaper than killing them because the unlimited appeals that our constitution allows (as it should).

[FeastonThisSHITT]

the tell the truth I don't think any human being has the right to judge any other human being under any circumstance. To keep order we need laws though. I say for murderers we should psychologicaly reprogram them.

[Irv]

I can't imagine how much it costs to feed, cloth, and keep sanity alive (eg.entertainment) in each prisoner each year. What, like, $2000-$5000 a year on each prisonaer maybe?

i think much more than that$$

[friendowl]

blah blah blah
how many of you have been victimized or have had your life ruined by someone.how many of you had to look into the eyes of a 5 year old child and have them ask you why this person done that.
how many of you know someone who is respected by the community but is really a sick mother fucker undercover.
take a look and see in the past the faces of those who commit the most horrendous crimes they look normal and they fit in.
if you people are to scared to do something thats fine
but me fuck that i will ride
i am only speaking of anything that has to do with the hurting of a child.
i will kill swiftly and bravely any man or woman i know positely is doing harm.
believe what you want but when your in that situation and you choose to remain quiet and let the cops handle it see if you sleep good at night knowing your a coward.just like the wife of the molester who turns the other way and is in denial.fuck that

[Fengzi]

I've said this before but I'll say it again.

A few years back I lived in a country that folks love to bash for its lack of human rights. One of the criticisms of this country is the fact that the death penalty is frequently used and not just for murder but also rape, child molestation, etc. Furthermore, when a person is sentenced to the death penalty his execution comes within, at most, a few days of the sentance. Penalties for lesser crimes are also very harsh.

Now say what you will, but when I was there I lived in a city with 14 million people. This place was so fucking crowded that it made NYC look like a subburb. It had many of the same problems as NYC (or any big U.S. city) such as poverty, huge gaps between the wealthy and the poor, etc. What it didn't have a lot of, however, was crime. I could walk down any street at any time of the day and not feel like my personal safety was threatened. How many big U.S. cities can we say that about?

I can't help but think that the lack of violent crime in this country has something to do with the fact that it is well known that if you have committed a crime and are caught your life will either be shortened greatly or, at the very least, made very unpleasant. Unlike in the U.S., where in many cases criminals feel that the rewards of crime easily make up for the potential consequences of getting caught. What we need to do is make criminals think that no matter what they might gain from committing their crime, no way does the reward justify the risk of what will happen to them if they are caught.


Oh yeah, I don't mention the country because most people will have a preconceived opinion about it which will cause them not to think about the argument, just reinforce their opinion about the country.

[friendowl]

sounds like china or north korea

[Fengzi]

Umm...It wasn't North Korea ;)

[Bender]

U KILL

U SHOULD DIE.


I agree :thumbsup:

[LovelyTasha]

I think if you kill someone who has not wronged you, you should die instantaneously. The areas are grey for mothers who kill their babies killers, self defense..things like that.

Also, I think some rapists should die. Like men who rape young children.

<3 Tasha

[SomeGuy]

I believe there are cases were the death penalty is exceptable...If it is 100% sure they committed cold blooded murder for the most part they should die. I read all the time of some poor old man or women who got killed so someone could take their car, wallet ect...imagine if that was your family.. Also serial Rapist should be Neutered as BFA suggested...and maybe some killers too...

[Skink]

Well an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth,but I don't believe in the the death penalty... I think it is committing the same crime as the accused...

[Fengzi]

Well an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth,but I don't believe in the the death penalty... I think it is committing the same crime as the accused...

This is the big argument but is somewhat narrow minded (no offense Skink)There is actually a big difference:

-The murder has taken the life of an innocent

-An execution takes the like of a killer

Different thing all together. Al least in my book.

[benagain]

I think certain people should be dead and have no place here with human beings. People who rape little kids and serial killers. Sorry if it sounds harsh to anyone who disagrees, but if I had my way, they'd all be tortured and killed slowly. I'd do it myself if I could.

[Skink]

This is the big argument but is somewhat narrow minded (no offense Skink)There is actually a big difference:

-The murder has taken the life of an innocent

-An execution takes the like of a killer

Different thing all together. Al least in my book.
No offence taken... We all have a right to our opinion,thank god...

[beachguy in thongs]

I'd support the death penalty if you killed your five children.

Would you?

[BizzleLuvin]

if i were stuck in a dismal prison cell for my whole life,thinking about the crime i committed i would ASK them to kill me.

[Awill3449]

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7#From%20DPIC

Take a look at that and do a google search on death penatly price vs. life in prison if you're convinced the death penalty is cheaper.

Life is prison is cheaper.

[Lakota]

Since the death penalty has been ok'ed by the courts, 1973

500,000 murders

1000 people put to death through use of the death penalty.

thats 5000 murders per convicted killer.......

are we really using it too much?

the numbers say......no

[Polymirize]

Sorry if it sounds harsh to anyone who disagrees, but if I had my way, they'd all be tortured and killed slowly. I'd do it myself if I could.

Well I'm reassured. And least you'd be a sadist for truth, justice, and the american way... right? Actually, in some ways I suppose I do agree with you, certain people just don't belong among human beings...

[Shelbay]

U KILL

U SHOULD DIE.
What about self defense? To save yourself from certain death? Or Crime of Passion?

[Reefer Rogue]

Kill the peodos and murderers. Good day.

[Lily420]

My veiws on the matter are that the death penalty is a way too easy way out for those who have commited evil. I think those people should have someone everyday sitting in their cell and constintly remind them how much they suck and what they did they will have to deal with in that cell for the rest of their life, how society has no use for those who think kiddnapping little girls and then hacking them up into peices is acceptable.

Well, like i said, the death penalty is a too easy way out.

[pabloescobar209]

i think much more than that$$
yea its more like 30k... about the same as the average income in the US

[Smpthy4TheDevil]

i'm conflicted on this issue.

on the one hand...



I think it's absurd to think "justice" can be found by killing people. Murder is only wrong as long as the victim is an innocent huh? Bullshit.
I understand the desire for vengence, but that's nothing to build a legal system off of.
i couldnt have said that better myself. "You have committed murder; murder is wrong; therefore we will murder you." it just doesnt make sense to me. add to that the possibility of wrongful convictions and the death penalty is just not justifiable in my eyes.

on the other hand, i think there are some crimes that need to have harsher punishments. castration for child molestation, for instance. and since i can, in my head, justify cutting off someone's balls, i'm not sure my opinion on cruel and unusual punishment (including the death penalty) is very solid.

[sdffa11]

i did a research report on the death penalty and its necessary to have capital punishment in america. do you know how much it costs just to keep people in prison for life compared to that of killing them off.

if the punishment fits the crime, they should die. why should the taxpayers have to pay to keep the criminal alive?

[whyamiwhite]

Use it in Rape, Mass Murder, and Cold Blooded Murder.
what about child molesters and pedophiles??

[Whos Carl]

I reckon it should be only for rape, mass murder, cold blooded murder and paedophiles.

[beachguy in thongs]

I reckon it should be only for rape, mass murder, cold blooded murder and paedophiles.
What about consensual incest?

[dj defibrillator]

I don't think money should play a large factor in determining whether a person should live or die, even if they're a criminal. Having said that, let's be clear about one thing.

The death penalty costs more $$$$ than a life sentence.

I can't back that up with a link to a credible source, but I remember hearing that fact being thrown out in past discussions about the death penalty (in school, on the news, etc.) - but I wouldn't expect anyone to buy even that. Why am i posting this?

[KylefromVA]

Now say what you will, but when I was there I lived in a city with 14 million people. This place was so fucking crowded that it made NYC look like a subburb. It had many of the same problems as NYC (or any big U.S. city) such as poverty, huge gaps between the wealthy and the poor, etc. What it didn't have a lot of, however, was crime. I could walk down any street at any time of the day and not feel like my personal safety was threatened. How many big U.S. cities can we say that about?

I can't help but think that the lack of violent crime in this country has something to do with the fact that it is well known that if you have committed a crime and are caught your life will either be shortened greatly or, at the very least, made very unpleasant. Unlike in the U.S., where in many cases criminals feel that the rewards of crime easily make up for the potential consequences of getting caught. What we need to do is make criminals think that no matter what they might gain from committing their crime, no way does the reward justify the risk of what will happen to them if they are caught.



I have to respectfully disagree with you.

I had no idea of the figures before Dec. when Stanley "Tookie" Williams was in the news.

They started talking about how in 2005 the US was ranked 2nd in death penalty cases carried out with 57(at the time I heard the report, by the end of the year it was 60). China was ranked 1st with almost 10,000.

You write about feeling safe and there being a lack of violent crime but the number of executions there have skyrocketed... so there must be a decent amount of violent crime.

Not only is the death penalty (and jail/prison) a punishment... but it's also supposed to work as a deterrent. The death penalty in china is not working as a deterrent if the rate they are executing people there is going up by several hundred every year.

It's crazy how many people are wrongfully accused and convicted in the US. I can't imagine the court system is much better in China. Like you said most of the people convicted there are put to death within days after the conviction... I wonder how many innocent people have been wrongfully convicted and executed in China.

sorry for the long post
happy smoking

[amsterdam]

I have never heard of an executed killer ever hurting anyone again. States should follow Texas and open an express lane on the death chamber so we can get the scum of death row quicker. And without wasting any more of my money!! Hang 'em high!!

[Krippysmoker]

I read the post from the idiot who thinks it costs more to execute someone than to give a life sentance. First of all on average it costs almost 36,000 $ per year to house an inmate.....EACH ONE....that is if they have no medical problems. So Im thinking that less electricity is used to zap someone.
If you all remember the kid a few years ago that got caught spray painting cars...got cained?? Do you think that little bastard will every spray paint anything again??? PROBABLY NOT. Child molesters, rapists, murders. Why should they get to live out their lives? What can they truely contribute? NOTHING. I say an eye for en eye. If the sentance for murder was DEATH...how many murders do you really think the US would have? How many rapes if the guys wiener got cut off? Child molester??? NO TRIAL JUST DEATH. Sorry but our country is going into the shitter...and if you dont see it well then your just blind. Shit you cant even smack your kids today....without fearing CPS. When I was a kid...if you were bad you got your ass beat with a belt....it wasnt child abuse it was called discipline....thats what our country is lacking today. And while Im on my rant....if your on Welfare and have more than 2 kids....and you get pregnant again.....either have your tubes tied or be denied public assistance. Why should I pay for someone TO BE A BABY factory???? This country needs an overhaul BADLY!!

[Polymirize]

i did a research report on the death penalty and its necessary to have capital punishment in america. do you know how much it costs just to keep people in prison for life compared to that of killing them off.
if the punishment fits the crime, they should die. why should the taxpayers have to pay to keep the criminal alive?
Apparently you didn't do a very good report. The US has this little thing called the appeals process, which means in the case of capital punishment its far more expensive to execute than to simply detain for life.
Just in California alone the death penalty system costs taxpayers over $114 million a year beyond the cost of simply keeping the convicts locked up for life.

I'll tell you what the problem is, it's our pesky notion of human rights that's what it is. Due process? bah, we know who's guilty, right?
:thumbsup:

[imagoober]

eye for and eye, but you should have to do your own dirty work! fuck capital punishment!

[dark0ne]

I live in massechusetts, and we don't have the death penalty. This entwisle guy is going to get off so easy, i mean he really needs to get shot in the groin........ twice! lets just hope that the boys in county will give him a warm welcome.:thumbsup: