Grim's first Grow !

[The Grim Reefer]

Hey guys, this is also my first post. :smokin:
There are definitely some friendly and intelligent people here. Good to finally be able to post.

This is my first grow which seems to be going fairly well so far, well, except for the fact that I'm lacking a proper grow light.
(Yes, I'm aware that's quite the problem as I'm smoking a joint to ease the stress.) :stoned:
I've done quite a bit of reading, and if you take any time out of your schedule to give me advice I would be more than greatful.

Anyway, as usual I have a few questions:
-Has anyone heard anything good on digital ballasts? Are the built in fans actually worth the cost?
-I see a few 400 watt HPS' on ebay; Are the quality on these trustworthy?
If you have any links on some nice lights, definitely send them this way. I'm open to any and all suggestions.
-Unfortunately the Hydroponics store won't be open until Tuesday and I'm stressing hardcore. Should I put them outside until then?

The plants are currently in.. well, the middle of my room. They were still in the germination/sprouting stage a day ago - I just today found them sprouting from the soil. I'm tempted to move them outside tomorrow so they get some sort of dosage of light. As far as this grow goes, they'll probably have another room to themselves, but I'll be building a grow box in the mean time. Unfortunately, my buddy has a 400 watt lamp he was going to let me borrow but lent it out to someone who hasn't even taken it out of the box after 3 months. :mad: Bastards.

I'm trying to keep the price around the $200 dollar range, but if it's worth it I'll definitely consider it. How many lights do you think 400 watts can cover as far as HPS goes? :confused:

*My soil - a little dense. In fact, way more dense than I'd like. Even though the PH tested 6.3-6.7, I already bought more soil and a bag of pearlite as well as a new set of same sized pots. I plan on doing a 2/3 to 1/3 ratio of Soil/Pearlite and transplanting them when they get a little stronger and when I get some light on them.

*My supplies - I have a digital thermometer with a wire-sensor attatchment. I also have a timer, superthrive, fertilizer, a PH kit and even temporarily; a large room. The only thing I'm really missing is my light. I also have a few fans as well as a swamp cooling A/C that I can run if need be.

*My strain - It's my first grow so I'm basically using bag seed.. it's mersh bag seed, but seed nonetheless. The seeds I picked were based on their shape, meaty-ness and color. I already have 12 more seeds germinating but I plan on weeding out the good from the bad. I do hope it turns out to be good bud though! :rasta:
(I don't think it possible to grow 18 plants with 400 watts.. but I could easily be wrong.)

I appreciate all the help guys.. as promised:

[The Grim Reefer]

Hey guys, this is also my first post. :smokin:
There are definitely some friendly and intelligent people here. Good to finally be able to post.

This is my first grow which seems to be going fairly well so far, well, except for the fact that I'm lacking a proper grow light.
(Yes, I'm aware that's quite the problem as I'm smoking a joint to ease the stress.) :stoned:
I've done quite a bit of reading, and if you take any time out of your schedule to give me advice I would be more than greatful.

Anyway, as usual I have a few questions:
-Has anyone heard anything good on digital ballasts? Are the built in fans actually worth the cost?
-I see a few 400 watt HPS' on ebay; Are the quality on these trustworthy?
If you have any links on some nice lights, definitely send them this way. I'm open to any and all suggestions.
-Unfortunately the Hydroponics store won't be open until Tuesday and I'm stressing hardcore. Should I put them outside until then?

The plants are currently in.. well, the middle of my room. They were still in the germination/sprouting stage a day ago - I just today found them sprouting from the soil. I'm tempted to move them outside tomorrow so they get some sort of dosage of light. As far as this grow goes, they'll probably have another room to themselves, but I'll be building a grow box in the mean time. Unfortunately, my buddy has a 400 watt lamp he was going to let me borrow but lent it out to someone who hasn't even taken it out of the box after 3 months. :mad: Bastards.

I'm trying to keep the price around the $200 dollar range, but if it's worth it I'll definitely consider it. How many lights do you think 400 watts can cover as far as HPS goes? :confused:

*My soil - a little dense. In fact, way more dense than I'd like. Even though the PH tested 6.3-6.7, I already bought more soil and a bag of pearlite as well as a new set of same sized pots. I plan on doing a 2/3 to 1/3 ratio of Soil/Pearlite and transplanting them when they get a little stronger and when I get some light on them.

*My supplies - I have a digital thermometer with a wire-sensor attatchment. I also have a timer, superthrive, fertilizer, a PH kit and even temporarily; a large room. The only thing I'm really missing is my light. I also have a few fans as well as a swamp cooling A/C that I can run if need be.

*My strain - It's my first grow so I'm basically using bag seed.. it's mersh bag seed, but seed nonetheless. The seeds I picked were based on their shape, meaty-ness and color. I already have 12 more seeds germinating but I plan on weeding out the good from the bad. I do hope it turns out to be good bud though! :rasta:
(I don't think it possible to grow 18 plants with 400 watts.. but I could easily be wrong.)

I appreciate all the help guys.. as promised:


" Everything posted by me above was in fact fictional and based on immense research. Any pictures povided in my post were simply contributed from other sources online. "

[mobay]

1st grim u can use fluo lights for now home depot, lowes would have them until u get your 400w . 3x3 area is what a 400w would take care of. if you want to grow 14 plants 1000w is what u would be needing. remember 2 weeks with the fluo lights then put your MH in until they are 12inchs tall and then slap in your HPS 12/12 for the remaining grow.

[turtle420]

Lights:
www.BGHydro.com Better Grow Hydro...

I'm a super-satisfied returning customer to them. They're great!

As to the digital ballasts: They kick ass. Lower power consumption. Less heat. More efficient. etc.

I my self, I'm waiting a couple of years (2 or 3) until the digital ballasts are nailed-down engineering-wise. I read a review of one (with the built-in fans) that had a malfunction, and the fans started blowing little flames of fire out the exhaust of the ballast. !!! yikes!!!

Those are my 2cents.

Sorry if I missed more questions, but it's early in the morning, and your post is amongst the longest I've ever seen. Not that it's bad or anything... but my "brain power" isn't up-to-spec yet.

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:
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[The Grim Reefer]

1st grim u can use fluo lights for now home depot, lowes would have them until u get your 400w . 3x3 area is what a 400w would take care of. if you want to grow 14 plants 1000w is what u would be needing. remember 2 weeks with the fluo lights then put your MH in until they are 12inchs tall and then slap in your HPS 12/12 for the remaining grow.

That's a good idea, the only reason I'm not doing that though is because it seems like a waste of money if I'm getting a light tomorrow at the Hydro store.
However, if I order one online, that might be an option. Should I throw them out into the sun today?

Thanks for the feedback mobay :D

[latewood]

Lights:
www.BGHydro.com Better Grow Hydro...

I'm a super-satisfied returning customer to them. They're great!

As to the digital ballasts: They kick ass. Lower power consumption. Less heat. More efficient. etc.

I my self, I'm waiting a couple of years (2 or 3) until the digital ballasts are nailed-down engineering-wise. I read a review of one (with the built-in fans) that had a malfunction, and the fans started blowing little flames of fire out the exhaust of the ballast. !!! yikes!!!

Those are my 2cents.

Sorry if I missed more questions, but it's early in the morning, and your post is amongst the longest I've ever seen. Not that it's bad or anything... but my "brain power" isn't up-to-spec yet.

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:
.I buy most of my lighting equipment from BGhydro...they are AAA!

[The Grim Reefer]

Lights:
www.BGHydro.com Better Grow Hydro...

I'm a super-satisfied returning customer to them. They're great!

As to the digital ballasts: They kick ass. Lower power consumption. Less heat. More efficient. etc.

I my self, I'm waiting a couple of years (2 or 3) until the digital ballasts are nailed-down engineering-wise. I read a review of one (with the built-in fans) that had a malfunction, and the fans started blowing little flames of fire out the exhaust of the ballast. !!! yikes!!!

Those are my 2cents.

Sorry if I missed more questions, but it's early in the morning, and your post is amongst the longest I've ever seen. Not that it's bad or anything... but my "brain power" isn't up-to-spec yet.

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:
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Yeah I wanted to get some more info on digital ballasts but it doesn't seem like there's much of a selection now as far as price and units go. :D

BetterGrow has a really nice selection.. which setup did you go with?

[The Grim Reefer]

Ok - I couldn't stand it anymore. I put all of the pots outside so they can at least get some sort of light. Grr..

It would be ideal for me to have 6 plants going at one time on this grow - would a 400 watt provide me with enough energy and light?

[The Grim Reefer]

Tempted to get this for 6 of my babies and eventually - my grow box. I think they'll take a liking to it. I'm still shopping around but as far as price and wattage goes this is looking pretty good:

http://www.insidesun.com/index.php/action/item/id/727/

[The Grim Reefer]

Just ordered my lights not a half hour ago.

I ended getting 2 x 250 Watts from InsideSun.com, this is nailbiting not having a consistant source of light :mad:

..but I have faith. ;)

-Watered them with Superthrive yesterday.
(a mixture of 1/4 tsp and 1 gallon water)

-It's obvious that they're stretching for light. I expected this and am going to transplant asap when I get my lights in. I'll probably use the bury stem method so my babies don't get too weak.

-I've been keeping them outside as soon as the sun comes up and then bringing them in when it comes down. When inside, I have a fan on them at all times.

*crosses fingers for those lights*

I'll post pictures when I bring them in for the night, 4 are sprouted.

[turtle420]

Good choice on the lights! :)

LateWood, BGHydro, definitely. They're great. Their customer service is A+.

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:
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[The Grim Reefer]

**Update**

Alright, so after keeping my babies alive outside under the never-enough sun, I finally got my lights yesterday!

Unfortunately, I wasn't too impressed with InsideSun.com - They failed to provide a tracking number so I e-mailed them the day before yesterday. I got a reply of "I'm sorry, but the tracking number is on the warehouse computer, please call back tomorrow and I'll give it to you. -Mike"

So I called him back yesterday and gave him the order number in which he said he would call me back with the #. 3 hours later.. still no call, however the lights came shortly after :thumbsup:

He must have seen they were shipping today and figured I wasn't worth the time or effort. *shrug*

Anyway, on to my pics!

-I've already noticed exponential growth, literally in front of my eyes. (yes, I've been watching them ever since I started my cycle last night, I can't get enough!)

-I had a single desk fan in there but the temperature shot up to 91 so I not only put an oscilating fan in there, but I also put in my portable swamp cooling A/C to add moisture into the air and cool things down. The current temperature is 86.3.

On to the pics! :stoned:

[The Grim Reefer]

**Update**

Alright, so after keeping my babies alive outside under the never-enough sun, I finally got my lights yesterday!

Unfortunately, I wasn't too impressed with InsideSun.com - They failed to provide a tracking number so I e-mailed them the day before yesterday. I got a reply of "I'm sorry, but the tracking number is on the warehouse computer, please call back tomorrow and I'll give it to you. -Mike"

So I called him back yesterday and gave him the order number in which he said he would call me back with the #. 3 hours later.. still no call, however the lights came shortly after :thumbsup:

He must have seen they were shipping today and figured I wasn't worth the time or effort. *shrug*

Anyway, on to my pics!

-I've already noticed exponential growth, literally in front of my eyes. (yes, I've been watching them ever since I started my cycle last night, I can't get enough!)

-I had a single desk fan in there but the temperature shot up to 91 so I not only put an oscilating fan in there, but I also put in my portable swamp cooling A/C to add moisture into the air and cool things down. The current temperature is 86.3.

On to the pics! :stoned:


" Everything posted by me above was in fact fictional and based on immense research. Any pictures povided in my post were simply contributed from other sources online. "

[The Grim Reefer]

Hey Kids!

Woke the girlies up today but took a few minutes to take some *decent* pics before turning on camera-blinding lights!

Here are some more pics of my grow space..

The plants are thriving, they really love the HPS.

-Current temp: 74 degrees.

-Watered yesterday, letting the soil dry out a bit today.

-Haven't decided if I want to risk the transplant on the clay pots to the larger, grey pots. It may not be worth the risk.



Peace! :D

[The Grim Reefer]

Something I just noticed:

The plants in the smaller pots to the right are red stemmed while the ones on the left in the bigger pots are green stemmed.

The red stemmed plants look healthy though, here's some more info.

-The red stemmed plants are in smaller pots than the green.
-The red stemmed plants don't have as much pearlite in their soil (I'm worried they might not have enough, I can't wait to transplant but I'm waiting for them to get older unless anyone has any suggestions)
-The red stemmed plants were bag seed from one bag so they're all the same strain, though I can't identify it.

Help me out! :thumbsup: :rasta:

[The Grim Reefer]

Here's a few pictures of them before their light cycle.. wake up! :dance:

Any ideas on those stems?

Haha, I also realized the ones on the right, in the smaller clay pots are also not flourishing as much as the ones on the left even though they were planted 2 days before them.

The more you know! * a rainbow appears over my head *

[turtle420]

The look good Reefer... :) Keep it up... this thread will be very interesting.

[MarijuanaMike]

You should really get a fan blowing on them to strengthen those stems up - last thing you want is them snapping when they go into flowering.

[The Grim Reefer]

Thanks Turtle - something tells me this will be interesting too as it looks like I have 3 seperate strains of bag seed. One of the grey pots is lime green, one is forest green and the 3 in the smaller pots are in between. I'm excited.

Mike - The red stemmed in the clay pots aren't moving whatsoever, I think it might have to do with me putting them outside for the first 6 days of their sprouting life and being a bit more sturdier.

There was one however that was blowing like crazy, that's the one I put support by. Everything is looking pretty happy, I can tell I'm going to need to support the forest green in the grey pot though. (the one without the therm)

:dance:

[The Grim Reefer]

Alright, a few questions!

A - I was reading about a cycle from the Marijuana Grower's Handbook and it recommends doing 24/24 the first week, and then gradually cutting an hour out until you get to 12/12 - this sounds awfully tempting.. should I even think about introducing this "lifestyle" to my plants?
(This is the 3rd day of their 18/6 cycle and they are 12 days old)

B - I read that the red stems may be a cause of Nitrogen and/or Potassium deficiency. I also heard some plants just have red stems and are completely healthy. Should I leave them be and just watch the leaves for any changes?

Thanks for the help!

[The Grim Reefer]

and by "cutting an hour out", I meant weekly.

Any takers? Yay? Nay?

[The Grim Reefer]

Ok, well I didn't get any answers on my post but due to reasons I believe in, I'm going to switch them to 24/24 for a few days and take it from there. Today is their 12th day since sprouting, so I think on the 15th day I may start retracting a day. However, that all depends on how these next few days go!

Until next time! :stoned: :thumbsup:

[mand]

Hello Grim :) Hmmmm I've read about gradually reducing the length of light down to the 12/12 cycle. I can see the reasoning behind it, it gives the plants a more natural reduction in light rather than a sudden change.

However I've never bothered, I just run them on 18/6 and then drop them to 12/12 and I've never really noticed any adverse effects.
Although if you wish to try it then try it and see how it goes ;)


Red stems, I think it will be just the variety, I've never had any but I have heard of red stemed plants before, if there healthy I wouldn't worry ;)


love mand xxx:)

[The Grim Reefer]

Thanks Mand :D
Gave me some confidence.

Here are a few pictures.. sorry about the horrible quality:

[The Grim Reefer]

By the way, if my soil looks thick with pearlite, it is.

30% Pearlite
5% Sand
5% Sphagnum Rock

[The Grim Reefer]

Day #12

-My girlies are drooping which bothers me quite a bit. Going to do a bit of research and see what I can do.

-Hooked up a c02 system which feeds from a 5 gallon bottle, through an aquarium tube and directly feeding into a desk fan over the plants. I'll post some pictures of my babies as well as my c02 system a bit later.

-I'm thinking the droopage might have been caused from underwatering as I let the top inch or so of the soil get pretty dry.

Tune in for pics tonight!

[The Grim Reefer]

c02 !

This baby sure is taking awhile to get bubbling, which I should expect with 4 gallons of water mixed with 15 cups of sugar and 7 teaspoons of yeast.

:thumbsup: :

[The Grim Reefer]

Day #16

-Switched from 24/24 to 23/1 yesterday.

-The drooping is slowly going away.. slowly.
I'm pretty sure it was overwatering. I'm going to wait until my soil dries out a bit more between waterings.

-The plant that was drooping's leaves are still pretty curled under. I'll check the condition tomorrow and see if it's worsened.

-Transplanting the 3 little runts from the clay pots tomorrow.. it's a last ditch effort. If they don't start thriving, they're gone. :dance:
I'm sure the new soil/pot will be more than helpful.

:thumbsup:

[The Grim Reefer]

So I woke up this morning to open my growroom and check on my ladies to find out it was 93 effing degrees!

I'm wondering if the heat is having something to do with the curling under, though I've read a few posts about heat and am not sure this is a definite sign.

I went ahead and put my A/C swamp unit onto a chair to make it blow directly onto the plants and it brought the temp down all the way to a sexy 77.5 - Keep in mind the average was mid - high 80s before this change.

Hopefully this helps.. if anyone has any input I'm more than open to suggestion!

:thumbsup:

[Powder Puff]

c02 !

This baby sure is taking awhile to get bubbling, which I should expect with 4 gallons of water mixed with 15 cups of sugar and 7 teaspoons of yeast.

:thumbsup: :
Hmmm

The Co2 should be above the plants.. Seeing as Co2 is heavier than air..:)

Good luck!:D:thumbsup:

[The Grim Reefer]

Powder! - Thanks for the info - I moved the c02 bottle so that not only is it higher than the plants, but now the hose works with gravity.

Still having trouble with drooping and now I know why,

Basically when I started them from seed, I used one of those Jiffy peat moss pellets that expand when you water them, and you put the seed inside of it then transplant it without stress because you put the whole mound in there ect, ect.

The problem is, I'm sure I overwatered the hell out of the mound surrounding the rootball and I'm worried about this moistness killing off my plants via root system.

Should I risk pulling the entire root system away from the mound and then putting it with the rest of the soil? Or should I hope for it to dry out?

Yikes!

[The Grim Reefer]

Plant #1

[The Grim Reefer]

Plant #2

[Powder Puff]

I don't know about you're Q man..!:(

How often do you water?? I killed my first plant by over watering!:p

Maybe, you could wait one or two days until next water and see what happens!:)

:thumbsup:

[The Grim Reefer]

Update:

One plant has actually returned completely normal, the other is still curling under a bit and the leaves feel like paper.

I had a lot of insight last night from an experienced grower in chat, and I'm beginning to think the fact that they only got 11-14 hours of sun their first 6 days might have something to do with this.

I think the plant is just under a bit of stress and will let it take it's course.

It's been about 3 days since my last watering I believe, I'm going to check the rootball and see if it's still damp and decide wether or not to water today.

:thumbsup:

[The Grim Reefer]

A small update..

I went ahead and raised the light by at least 12 inches from the top of each plant.

I also sprayed a VERY VERY VERY watered down fert on them and foliar fed them a few days ago. They've responded to all of the treatment pretty well.

One plant looks pretty good, the other one is still in the middle of clinging on to it's will :p

The soil is feeling a little dry today, I may water.

Plant #1:

[The Grim Reefer]

Plant #2:

[Powder Puff]

I didn't know you only gave them 11 - 14 hours light.. Why did you do that??

lol

Later

[The Grim Reefer]

LOL - PP it was definitely not by choice. My lights took a bit longer than expected.

This'll definitely be interesting!

[AcousticStoner420]

Is the bending in the leaves because of the lack of light, or i may suggest to you that it may be overwatering... just a thought... lookin good tho grim

Stay UP :rasta:
!AC420
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Any posts made by me are purely fictional in nature and by no means is anything I say to be taken seriously. I do not grow or condone the growing of anything not legal. Any and all pictures I post are pictures widley available on the internet and any discussions I am involved in are purely hypothetical or are commentary in nature and should not constitute advice or be considered advice to assist in activities that are deemed illegal.

[The Grim Reefer]

Acoustic - I've been thinking on this for several days lol, thanks for the reply.

As for the lack of light, I don't think it could be because I was keeping a 250 watt HPS CLOSE to them for 24/0. I think in fact, they might have been getting too much light so I moved it away a little bit.

I do know they were definitely overwatered a little bit so I've been staving off of it and letting the pots dry out, which the soil is actually feeling pretty dry which is nice to know.

All of the new growth looks fantastic.
I think what's happening, is since it was basically forced into flowering right off the bat, the stress is taking it's toll and it's dropping it's first set of real leaves. I'm hoping it survives, like I said, all new growth looks great.

Has anyone tried Dutch Master Reverse?

[The Grim Reefer]

Well then..

today the sickly plant's pot was pretty dry so I decided to water it.

I decided to bend down and smell the soil, just to check and see if it was fresh.

It smells like mildew.

Fantastic.

What to do now? I have no idea, going to do some research on root rot complications.

$#%@ That'll teach me to overwater.

-3 points for overwatering to begin with.

-3 points for having my lights so close to the soil.

It's all an experience, right?

[BukDatAss]

Keep looking up info and you'll be OK everything is right at ur fingertips.... Yea just make sure the soil is completely dry at the bottom before you water

[The Grim Reefer]

1 out of 3 of my runties is actually perking up a little. Which is suprising considering the abuse it's been through.

Anyways, as for the soil I'm going to dillute half a capful of bleach in a gallon of water and see if that won't at least kill all of the bacteria.

Everything else is looking mighty fine. I started germing a few more today..
you know, now that I have a better idea of wtf is going on.

<3

[AcousticStoner420]

What up Grim... Im right along with you on the first timer experience here... but Buk, Mand, Latewood, Harv, Puff and others keep my ass in line so i dont over-do anything... they are kind of the Professors of Pot. haha. Anyways Grim, consider repotting to some new FRESH soil and put a thin layer of garden gravel in the bottom with a little sand, that will prevent sitting water in the bottom of your pots. ;) Smart to germinate a few more, it can only help you not hurt you :D Hope i could help, and if u have any questions just holla homie... later on :)

Stay UP :rasta:
!AC420
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[The Grim Reefer]

Awesome - Thanks Acoustic :cool:
I actually have a layer at the bottom of this pot, it drains excellent it's just that I was giving my plants a bit too much "love" in the beginning.

The plant isn't really drooping all that much, it's just that the lower leaves are dying off :o

A little purple on the stems, but it's sister who's flourishing has the same tinge and doesn't seem to mind it at all. :D

-The sick plant is growing FASTER than the healthy one! :confused:

Yeah, I definitely think there are some people here who know their stuff. I won't name any names, but you know who you are and I appreciate all of the help in every shape and form :stoned:

Pics?

Pics.

Here comes the handicapped plant:

[The Grim Reefer]

A few shots of the vibrant one:

[The Grim Reefer]

Update: Yeah.. that mildew smell, well I might have been smelling the plants. I'm a dumbass, I know. I'll keep you posted.

[SmurfyBH]

Or the yeast.

[The Grim Reefer]

Or the yeast.

*stab*

Or both!

What are some tell-tale signs of root rot?

[The Grim Reefer]

Update -

The healthiest plant is still looking great.

The plant that had the drooping problems.. well there's STILL no discoloration of leaves whatsoever. The leaves at the very bottom are just kind of papery and folded under a little. The only problem, is now a few of the leaves on top are starting to curl down a small bit.

I'm thinking it may be a lack of nutes as they are on day 22 and they've had quite the growth spurt going on.

Since I watered them already, I'm not planning on putting fertilizer into their water until their next water.

Tonight I'll foliar feed before they go to bed.

Ideas? Suggestions?

[The Grim Reefer]

:p

Healthiest:

[The Grim Reefer]

Not so healthiest:

[The Grim Reefer]

As far as the last plant goes, do you see anything that it needs as far as nutes? I have yet to put them on a fert schedule.
Curious as what to look for so the nute def. doesn't get out of hand without me knowing about it!

Thanks again.

[The Grim Reefer]

There are also two yellow spots on the droopy one's leaves. Bump.

[The Grim Reefer]

Ok kids! A rundown on what's been going on.

Currently I have 6 plants, a few in the seedling stage, a few in the mature stage.

-I transferred the 2 biggest plants into bigger pots a few nights ago
-I also re-situated the lights to allow more growth since I plan on letting them get to at least 1.5-2 feet before I flower them.
-There is currently an overwater situation because of the transplanting but I'm letting them dry out as we speak.

:D :

[AcousticStoner420]

Hey whats up Grim, I jumped over to your thread cuz i had a quick question for you. Our grows were started just a couple days apart, and im wondering when u are planning on flowering and what nutes you will be using in your flowering phrase... im 30 days into VEG and starting to think im about to start flowering but im just trying to gather a little more insight... thx for the help...

Stay UP :rasta:
!AC420
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[The Grim Reefer]

Karm (or anyone) - What's your feeling on topping? Is there anything I can do as far as adjusting the growth to achieve maximum yield when I switch to flower?

[karmaxul]

topping = boo
dude my fingers are burning out let me go have a smoke and i will explain in a bit why I say that:rasta:
One love
c

[karmaxul]

I am inbetween bowls, so I say that because the highest concintration of growth cells are found in tips and the top of the plant produces the best cola. when I grow it produces the only cola as I grow single cola plants. You can supercrop your stems by bending and twisting them, starting slowly at first, to get thicker shorter stems or you can tie the tops down. I super crop my plants. They finsh short, under 16 inches and is a solid cola. the bottom of the stem is the size of my thumb. I spin the plants back and forth move and more every time every time starting towards the bottom. it makes the stems solid and fat keeping the plant short. I use more plants with less yield each. Each plant takes up about 7.5 sq inches.

One love
c

[The Grim Reefer]

Yeah I was going to ask you about supercropping especially when you said you could make a short ak-47 with a sold bud all the way up.

so you're basically saying supercropping will increase bud sites simply by making the stem thicker and stronger?

care to explain how this works in a little further detail? :D

[The Grim Reefer]

omg, sorry but I just went in there to twist and bend one of them. I must say that afterwards, my fingers smelled of maple syrup. *licks lips*

btw, pics will be up shortly for you.

[karmaxul]

if you go to quick you can cause to much stress or crack the stem which is fixable. It is best to scar them up a bit and wait a few days till the next round.
If they do crack get a peice of dental floss and figure eight it like a ballerinas leg.

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[The Grim Reefer]

Awesome. Every 2-3 days I'll start twisting them/bending them like I did tonight. They're still pretty pliable, they feel like rubber but the stems aren't effected by the force of the fan in the least.

I wonder what kind of results I would get by supercropping/tying them down..

[karmaxul]

I used to get them, when I had many to experiment with, to the point that on a 8 inch plant I could get the top to spin like 10 times each direction after a long warm up. I bent it into two circles and pushed them down to the soil so it was an inch high. I had the plant stand back straight up ten seconds later.

I used to peirce the stems with grow rocks to after they beefed up a bit. Just looked cool basically

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[Legalizdahurb]

I have been tempted 2 try this but i am always woried about doing to much damage. I have a bagseed that doesnt look 2 well so i might experiment with that.
I have a cutting that has been FIMed it started as an experiment and has turned out like a bush,. So no main cola 4 me but it will be interesting 2 c how it goes, i already have lots of preflowers so watch out 4 a new thread.
I'll take some pics when i get round 2 it, i keep testing the buds i have growing now so it may take a while.

[The Grim Reefer]

Picture time!

Here's my sativa heavy plant:

[The Grim Reefer]

Aaand here's droopy:

[karmaxul]

god damn shes getting big. not sure thats a sativa the fingers are a bit wide. i would wait to water till you can pick that pot up using one hand and three fingers. misting the top of the soil is cool as the surface roots need some moisture but she is still wet on the bottom. shell perch up. the color is looking nice. got any air holes on the bottom big enough to put a finger in and see how wet it is down there?

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[karmaxul]

Have you sexed them yet? I would look back but I am half asleep. You may want to start trimming the one you are going to make a mother. If you dont want a giant plant you may want to take the two top fan leaves off of the top. The ones that are real small, I mean the size of your baby toe nail or smaller. But just the fan leaves at the stem leaving the growth. Maybe just one then wait a couple days then another so she doesnt loose to much fluid. She will bush out a bit. If you want to have more sites on the lower branches for clones they will need light. I would take off for now just one big fan leaf blocking light the most light to the lower branches.

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[The Grim Reefer]

She's not 100% sativa, but she's definitely more sativa than droopy :D

I'll go ahead and mist the top of the soil tomorrow as it's still a little damp. I went ahead and took your advice from another thread and used plastic name stakes and stuck them a few inches in the bottom of the pot, as for the soil let me take a hit and I'll go check :D

[The Grim Reefer]

Oh and btw, I haven't sexed them yet. Is it possible to do that before switching entirely to flowering?

[karmaxul]

You can always switch back to veg after you sex them. I will catch ya tomorrow bro my eyes need a break from this screen.

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[The Grim Reefer]

Still damp on the bottom, and also I'd rather have them grow taller rather than bushier for the sake of me trying to get 6 plants under 500 watts with limited space in between them, I mean I guess I COULD intertwine plants while tying them down.. but I'd rather just grow them taller.

How can I tell where the bud sites will develop?

[The Grim Reefer]

Haha, no problem man. I'll catch you back on here tomorrow. Get some sleep.

<3

[growing4dummys]

they i thought you were going to msg me grim...im on right now if you are, Thanks

[The Grim Reefer]

Growing - Having trouble with that account. Do you have an e-mail I can reach you at? Or can you post your AIM name here for me? Thanks :D

Karm - Sexing = too much stress?

[karmaxul]

Nothing to worry about.

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[The Grim Reefer]

And If I was planning to use Dutchmaster Reverse on the hermies (I may have some, it is bag seed.) I would just change the cycle, follow the directions (it's spray on the 1st and 3rd week of flowering) so I'd spray the first week, wait for the sex, change it back and when I'm ready to actually FLOWER it when would I apply again?

I don't mean to act dumbfounded on the subject, I just haven't read too much info about going into flower and then back into veg. :D

Thanks again you big ape.

[karmaxul]

I would not use it. I was researching it the other week and it really made no sense to me. Hermies are rare.

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[The Grim Reefer]

Good info. Thanks bro. <3

I'll go ahead and start a flowering schedule within the next couple of days. Should I trim before I flower? That'll increase bud production on the lower bud sites, correct?

Should I wait for her to perk up a little more from the transplant venture? She's still gaining height. She's at 14 inches today. (not droopy, but the healthier one)

[karmaxul]

I would trim if you are making her a mother. If you feel that she will not dry out quick you may want to wait a couple days to go into a 12/12. Once she drys on the bottom a bit she will perk up. If you put a electric blanket under her on a low setting it will help perk her up to. I got mine at walmart for 10 bucks. O and the lower branches usually just produce small nugs, which is why I transfer all the energy into a single cola plant. Depends on what stlye you want to grow with. Hows the bottom soil doing?


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[The Grim Reefer]

I have another plant that's currently still a little seedling that I'd like to use as a mother when the time comes. :D

This one will be purely for yield.

I'm glad you told me the sites towards the bottom don't produce that much. All I'm worried about now is getting as much yield as possible out of this lady.

The soil is feeling a lot better and she's looking really happy.

Still a few days to go until water, but the soil at the bottom of the pot feels damp and oxygenated rather than soaked :thumbsup: I'd say the soil is dry about a quarter of the way down but I'll give it another day and spray the top. I'm gonna wait on the watering until I know the roots get some oxygen for sure.

So anyway,

-How can I transfer all of the energy towards the main cola?
-I'm thinking 14 inches should be sufficient enough to flower, if not at least sex.

[karmaxul]

If you want the most bud then let her grow and dont trim at all. She will be large when she finishes but that is the way to get the most bud out of one plant. With unlimited clones in regards to a specific area thats a different story.

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[The Grim Reefer]

Thanks bro.

I'll start her flowering at 2 feet.

[karmaxul]

Cool, do you have a limit regarding ceiling height for how high she can grow?

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[AcousticStoner420]

Hey Grim are u ready man, Im going to go ahead and put them into flower... What do u think??? in about 4 hours or so...???

Sorry about the short notice, something came up...

Stay UP :rasta:
!AC420

[The Grim Reefer]

Acoustic! - <3 Definitely. How tall are they?

Karm - I have about 5-6 feet of actual plant space (that's including pots and lighting)

I'm gonna put one of them into flower with acoustic ( I dunno which one yet, probably droopy, the other one is still skyrocketing and I think it wants to veg) but the other one I might even let get to 3 feet before flowering :D It just sort of depends on if I feel it's going to need to be transplanted into a 5 gallon pot (using 3.5 right now) or not.

[AcousticStoner420]

Im lookin @ 14", 11", and 8"... a bit on the smaller side, but i must because of my space arrangements also i ran into a bit of a problem and wasnt able to transplant... no worries the plants are fine, but the money to afford everything for the transplant i would like to do fell short, so my decision is to flower a little early... So lets do it man... Starting at 12:00am EST. Im REALLY curious as to how this is going to turn out...

U READY GRIM???

WE'RE FLOWERING MAN... BUD BUD BUD :D :D :D :D

Stay UP my friend :dance: :dance:
!AC420

[The Grim Reefer]

Hell yes I'm ready!

In fact, it's two hours away but I'm going to go ahead and put mine in the dark now since I'm leaving in about 30 min.

This'll be interesting.. let's do it!

[AcousticStoner420]

Smokin a Blunt and a Zong right now for us, cant wait...

:pimp:

Honestly, i have put more into growing and learning ect, than i ever thought that i would when i started this project... Its CRAZY, man our first grows are going to be crucial... Here we go... Lights off...

Stay UP :rasta:
!AC420

[karmaxul]

If you are going to flower in and all you got is six feet for your pot light and plant you may need to tie her down. Figure a foot for the pot, a foot for the light, and a foot of space inbetween the light and the plant. That only leaves three feet for the plant to finish flowering in. Some plants if let grow naturally get 2.5 times the hieght once put into flowering. You may want to sex the other one thats growing. A three foot mother will have up to 30 plus clones a month.

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[The Grim Reefer]

Karm - the 5-6 feet was plant and plant alone, the pot was already figured into it as well as the light. I think I'll go ahead and put the other one in the "flowering room" when this one goes back into the light, that way I can have them rotating and keep one in the most light possible. Suggestions? :D

I can def. tell you there's 4+ feet of unused space in there not being used by plants or materials.

The other plant as a mother would work really well.. though I don't have a cloner or anything. What all do I need to clone them?

Thanks again Karm <3 :D

Acoustic - I feel the same way man. I never thought I'd know this much. I still have a TON and by ton I mean wealths and wealths of knowledge to learn but at the same time, when I first started reading I didn't have a clue as to what an MJ plant even looked like.

Hats off to both of you :D

Karm - is a quarter ounce a plant too much to hope for?

[karmaxul]

o I misunderstood my bad. sounds good.
Clonex gel
Olivias cloning medium
Cloning trays. Get the rectangular tops 7 inches high. they have become hard to come by but i get mine from this dude gorillagrow on ebay who has a store in canada.
If you dont got ebay and cant find them dont worry I stocked up. Ill send ya a freebie if you need be

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They look like this.

[AcousticStoner420]

Its the truth man, i still have countless amounts of info to learn, but i am also interested in what i need for the cloning process as well as the procedures... **--KARM--** if you could hook that info that would be crucial, and i would greatly appreciate it. :)

I was considering topping my plants in hopes to create a larger yield, but i feel that it being my first grow i want to have a strong finish with how i am doing right now... :) So i definately will attempt that next time. Have you thought of doing that yourself?

Anyway this has turned out to be quite an exciting experment for me and i cant wait to see how we reap the benefits!!! :D :pimp:

Stay UP :rasta:
!AC420

[The Grim Reefer]

Damn, that looks like a beautiful setup. What would shipping on something like that cost you? I'd be more than willing to pay you for your services in sending one down to a little place called Arizona. ;)

From what I've heard, you dip roots A into gel B and then place the entire thing in the cloner with the proper amount of solution. Seems pretty forward, I'll have to check up on it. :D

[growing4dummys]

Element2004 is my aim.. look me up thanks have a few ?'s right now actually

[karmaxul]

It is best to take three to four inch cuttings. you do not need to but it is best to cut under a node as that is where the most growth cells are. dip them in clonex and put in a plastic dixie cup. I like the small bathroom ones so I can get like 25 under a tray. You should mix olivia cloning solution at the recommend dose and a drop of thrive alive per gallon with the soil prior in a mixing bowl and then fill the cups with it packing gently. Get it very damp but not wet. If you can sqeeze more then a few drops out of a hand full ad soil. Mist them with water. Mist the top of the tray with water as well and put under a full spectrum or cool white flouro. Everyday mist the lid on the inside to maintain proper humidity. To much humidity will cause dampening off and death. It will also cause mold to grow on the stems which can be killed with a q-tip and rubbing alcohol. When the roots start coming out the bottom transplant. (For production with unlimited clones it is best to veg two weeks in a 8 to 12 ounce cup and pack as many as you can under a 400 watt lamp.) For non production transplant into a one gallon.

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[karmaxul]

not sure about shipping I think its only a couple bucks. You dont need to pay me back if you make a mother.

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[growing4dummys]

grim i guess we will have to chat later, thanks for showing back up haha just kidding ill just talk to you another time thanks bro.

[The Grim Reefer]

Karm - <3 LOL, you really want me to mother them. There's one that's still working on it's second set of real leaves.. I got it from some of the best grapefruit looking bud I've tasted. I'm praying to GOD it's going to be female. It's either that or the one growing alongside it.

I promise you, one will be a mother. In fact, I want you to name it.

[growing4dummys]

hey i will be on tonight again grim if your on look me up thanks pal:thumbsup:

[karmaxul]

How about Ripple, it was a strain I made about 6 years ago. I was the only one to ever grow it and its genetics do not exist any more as far as I know due to circumstances out of my control as of last November. It was my first mother I ever had. It was responsible for years of good times.:)

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[The Grim Reefer]

Karm - <3

I'd be more than honored to cultivate a Ripple V.2 to live on the memory of your first mother.

Being my first mother, it's only right. :D

You've had a small experience with PO boxes - how much do they cost to set up?

I'm putting droopy in the dark room for her second night in about 30 min. I'll post some pics when I pull her out!

She gained 2 inches in the dark last night, ha.

Peace my Gorilla friend.

[AcousticStoner420]

Hell yea Grim, Lets keep it goin... Did u get that light leak situation figured out??? My night start in a couple hours... :thumbsup:

Right on.

Stay UP :rasta:
!AC420

[karmaxul]

P.O. Boxs are like 20 bucks for the smaller ones usually. I prefer mailboxs ext. though as you can register a buisness to them which is great to get loans with. Register them for 40 bucks and dont register them for taxs just the name. Hold on to it for two years and you can get loans with a stated income. Its about 1% higher a.p.r. as bank usually go for "I am a grower".

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[The Grim Reefer]

What about something the size of a cloner? ;)

[growing4dummys]

Hey grim just wondering if we could talk again i have some more ?'s and its just easyer for me to learn just back and forth you know, you can answer 2 things right now tho, 1st, can we talk, 2nd, if i was going to go with eather a 400-600W...should i get MH or HPS? i would like to get both but the fixtures that can have both are to much :( thanks !

[karmaxul]

I use the trays myself as they fit more clones for the space, but ya cloners work great. Neopreme and airstones

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[The Grim Reefer]

Karm - sorry I didn't mean cloner, I meant that tray you were talking about. Stupid me :P

Growing - there are a few differences between the two, I'll hit you up on aim def.

Pulling another all nighter for my lady, I'll definitely post a few pics when she gets out and then I'll post some more in a week so it doesn't look like the growth is so minimal.

[karmaxul]

O it 22inch long and 11 wide.

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[growing4dummys]

ok im on aim right now if you have time, ill be on all night

[karmaxul]

At this time you have 1420 views I am smoking a bowl for you incase you miss it. Is she still wet at the bottom?

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[The Grim Reefer]

Droopy, GO!

[The Grim Reefer]

Karm! - <3
How's it going today, buddy?

She's damp at the bottom, I went ahead and used a spray bottle and misted the top so the roots won't go completely without water. (don't need them "holding their breath" too long as you like to put it :D)

She's been to bed for about an hour, I was worried about light leaks so I made 100% there will be no light touching her surface whastoever. The only problem is there isn't any circulation, but the room is pretty cool so I'm not too worried about it right now.

:thumbsup:

She's still growing like nuts. I hope she doesn't hermie on me. (this is bag seed. seedy bag seed, good bud though.)

[karmaxul]

Well I am guessing the bottom is still very damp but miraculously you have no yellowing do to low ph from to many ions. NICE

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[karmaxul]

Oh chillin man I had court this morning and got a few hours of sleep in afterwards for the first time in 24 hours. This site is just so much fun. Hows the dessert air treaten ya

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[The Grim Reefer]

god I know! so many cool people here and so much knowledge. I've come to the conclusion that the reason for living my life is to absorb as much info as possible about everything and the way it works.

that and to smoke weed. :D

What's court for? Your little "venture" back in Nov-Oct? I have to go soon.. I'll probably end up having to quit for awhile too. (got caught with some on me back in december, less then a few grams, clean pipe) they still took it all away, cuffed me and booked me. bastards.
It was a nice pipe/nug jar too.

[karmaxul]

Grower wars, some cats are just in it for the money. Basically corruption at its finest. I cant really be specific and I really dont think people would believe me if I told it. Basically I dont like greedy rapest people and some of them happen to have some power in CT and no concern about the people or the wellbeing of this state. We dont see eye to eye and they dont fight fair.

I got to go to court on Friday for when I was raided. I should have the case thrown out then. Here is the latest article from the front page of the local paper. They published it two days after I hung a large cannabis flag in my window which is very visable from the main street in town. You should see my latest additions. I will try to borrow a camera or get one off ebay.

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I should have cut the name out but fuck it, its really no secert I grow

[karmaxul]

They were my mothers, non in flower, must have been hemp seeds.
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[The Grim Reefer]

Bastards.

[The Grim Reefer]

The garden without my flowering girl.

[karmaxul]

Lookin good.

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[AcousticStoner420]

Man Grim "Droopy" is taking off, as well as mine!!! :D Seems like the both of us are having good success... I cant wait for the later stages when i can start cloning, im planning on working "emilys garden" for those ladies! :D What do u think??? Anyway man, superb job... lets keep it goin...

!AC420

[the image reaper]

http://www.hydroponics.net/i/389602 :smokin:

[amstron]

nice plants

[jamstigator]

karmaxul, did I read that page correctly? 295 pounds of bud? Dude! If that's correct, that's impressive as all hell. With my current flower cabinet, I'd estimate it'd take me almost 50 years to grow that much, assuming every single grow was absolutely perfect in every way. Heh. I remember planning a 12-pound smuggling venture from Grenada to Fort Bragg, North Carolina in the 80s (which didn't work out because they pulled us Army folks out of there before I could get it done), and I thought THAT was a hefty amount. Hope the charges against you are dropped. Pot being classified as a Class I narcotic (e.g. like heroin, and worse than meth which is Class II) is just insane.

[karmaxul]

Whos to say the memory fades with age.

Wheres Droopy, can you post a pic of the little rascal when you get a chance.

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[sheist]

karmaxul Since the gov knows about u n plants, what can u do to prevent futher fallout?

[karmaxul]

Hit me up at http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=55603 I'll explain.
I dont want neg energy around Grims kids.;)
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[The Grim Reefer]

Haha!

Not too much growth in height today, she seems more interested in sprawling out and spreading her legs a bit, which is fine by me. ;)

It still seems too early to tell what sex she's at, as this is day 4 of her being in her dark period.

Apparantly she didn't appreciate the way I sealed her off yesterday, you call tell the developing cola got bent down a bit, I feel bad for her but she's picking up. :thumbsup:

And to think, that's her in pic #4. They grow up so fast. *tear*

Droop-E-Ohh!:

[growing4dummys]

whats up grim, i emailed them dudes about that 400w fixture and that MH add on thing he replys " Yes that is what it is. Its an mh bulb that is safe to use in an hps fixture
as a standard mh bulb is not." wow im going to order that soon ;) hit me up on aim if you got a chance later bro

[The Grim Reefer]

Growing - sleep schedule is all fucked up but I'll try and hit you up tomorrow.

Karma - Do you like talking nutrition? (human body wise) It's been one of my favorite subjects for awhile and it seems you know quite a bit about vitamins and what I should be taking to remain healthy.

Where can I talk shop to you?

[karmaxul]

My email is [email protected]
I know a bit about nutrition and organic cures for disease and illness
What you lookin to know?

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[The Grim Reefer]

Karm - <3

I'm basically trying to make a list of what I need to take everyday to remain strong and healthy. I take vitamins and such, but I wanted to make sure I was taking everything I possibly could to remain vigorous.

Also something that will clean my intestines out, what was that algae you were talking about?

I organize and list everything. It's a gift and a curse. :rolleyes:

Anyway, onto the pics! I just put droopy (who is whoring herself out, look at all the space she's taking up!) into her dark cycle again. She's smelling fruity, but interestingly enough, she still doesn't smell as strong as her sisters who aren't in flowering.

:thumbsup: :

[ghostsurfer]

a very nice grow you have going on here, nice plants .best of luck

[karmaxul]

Most blue fruits are extremly good for you. They are high in antiaging auxins and other simular biochemicals. I once read that by eating 4 cups of blueberries a day one can reverse the aging process. There is a potatoe called the congo blue which is exclusive to the congo that grows purple skin and flesh. http://www.milkranch.com/Potato/GardenData.aspx?Var=AB Pomagranets have auxins and they just started selling the juice in grocery stores for cheap. Olive leaf extract found on ebay under the brand Ozarks will kill the flu in under a day by taking 30ml. Documented use prior to eygpt where they used it in the mummifacation process. Olive trees used to overgrow the sahara dessert many years ago. http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/olive_tree.htm It has the most complex calcium found in the world which makes the tree have twice the oil content and receeds the water level in half as calcium kills viruses and viruses feed off the vitamins stored in oils. you know the bible story of noahs arc the dove brings a olive branch signifing the flood waters are receeding. (history is twisted) Its the world greatest medicine http://curezone.com/foods/oliveleaf.asp I used to take vitamins till I found out they were synthetic, but they got organic ones on ebay. Complex carbs (wheat and rye) break down differently then simple carbs (white bread) and are converted into energy more then fat. My favorite vitamin is peyote but its so damn expensive. Tyrptophins convert into auxins which are found in the human body but not called auxins or really documented. the highest consentration is in the liver which regenerates through out your whole life. The lungs have the second highest levels and regenerate every seven years which is why things like asthma go in seven year cycles. Most protein in meat degrades into amino acids in hours after death and 80% of amino acids in the body about are harmfull and speed in aging. The protein is not the best source either. Soy is a good food for protien and you get ten times the amount per acre then cattle. Spirrulina is the best and harvets ten times the amount then soy. The darker the plant the better. Norwiegn kelp which we feed are plants for auxins in brands such as thrive alive is purple. I take thrive alive myself at a drop a day. you can get brain chemicals at www.biosynth.com but its a kilo min order which is 4000. I know a bit about brain chemistry to. dont take them unless you know what your doing they can kill you

They still look like they got wet bottoms. If they dont dry out the leaves will start to yellow.:)

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[The Grim Reefer]

Perfect! Thanks Karm.

I'll read through that a few times again later and follow up on what I need to get my hands on.

They are a little wet at the bottom, though I couldn't pick them up with my two fingers I went ahead and used a spray bottle and sprayed the hell out of a few of them.

The top half was completely dry :P

I give it no more than a week until I have them on the watering schedule/amount that I want - I really need a garden sprayer though. That squirt bottle tends to get tedious after emptying half of it onto soil with 3 more pots to go.

They're definitely looking better than they have :D

<3

[The Grim Reefer]

PS -

Today was the first day since the transplant I sprayed the top of the soil - I'm telling you, they were overwatered to hell and back. :D

Clockwork is what I need. CLOCKWORK!

Temps are going a little higher than I'd like with summer coming in. Gonna have to start putting water in the A/C unit to cool things down a few degrees. (yeah, that big fan thing you see in back, that's an A/C swamp cooler)

The temp is currently 86.1 with an all time high of 87.3 (which was today) and an all time low of 73.1.

[karmaxul]

With the sprayer I would give them just a cup a day till they dry at the most. Thats for the big ones. The cureall site is long but youll learn alot about how it works on everything. The best strain of olive leaf starts with a M but I would destroy it if I tryed to spell it. Black olives are older.

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[The Grim Reefer]

" Fungal infections of the nails, athlete's foot, jock itch, and tinea capitis have also responded well to olive leaf treatment."

I wish I was taking this supp. when I was in middle school scratching my balls like I would never be able to touch them again.

[karmaxul]

lol, it also cure herpies a b and c (yes c is curable), malaria, meningitus, influenze, has proved effective against HIV, arthritus, multiple scurosis, and about every other virus there is. Most people has viruses in them and at first, although not for me, it can make you have flu like symptoms, but thats your body not being used to being free of them. I have drank bottles of the stuff with no side effects. I was locked up down in NH CT for 8 days last year and I caught about every virus in the city while I was there. I left with a crazy fever and dizzy as hell. I got home and drank like a half ounce of the stuff and within two hours I was feeling 1000 times better. I woke up the next morning good as new. I had my plants during that prison stay, luckily I was able to contact a friend to water them. I only lost a few. They raided me two months later.
Alcohol has a ph of 4 and the extract is 140 proof but the calcium gives it a 5.0 ph I tested yesterday. Cleaned the diode off real good too.
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[The Grim Reefer]

Ok, SO. Updates.

I've decided I'm going re-mix the homemade c02 recipe tonight since the bubbles have stopped flowing so rampantly.

I knocked over a plant last night putting droopy back into the light. Luckily there was no damage to the plant, but I did knock it around a little bit so I'm sure she's a little on the headache-y side of things. (it was the smaller one on the upper right)

You'll be happy to know droopy isn't looking as droopy anymore :D

Off Topic: I picked up some bud last night and low and behold, even though it had a few seeds in it, it's purple. VERY hard to come by in my area.

Will I plant more bagseed simply for the exotic color and flavor?

Only time will tell.

Tune in next time kids! (pics will follow this post in approx. 5 to 30 minutes. Basically after I smoke my joint :D)

Karm- Awesome little article on cannabisnews I see :D
I'm rolling my first joint of the day here in a minute just for you.

[karmaxul]

Glad to hear Droopy is feeling better.
I still have yet to try purple bud but nice score on the seeds. I would super crop that sativa to keep her shorter for a mother if thats your goal.
Enjoy the joint, good times.

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[The Grim Reefer]

Text update:

Droopy is enjoying "it's" night schedule.
There are definitely preflowers coming in, but it's too early for me to tell wether they'll develop into pistils or a pollen filled pair of balls.

I'm praying pistils. PRAYING pistils.

Worse comes to worse, it's a male, chop it down, more light for the other ladies.

Pics will be here when she gets out of her night time schedule. I should be able to tell the sex when she wakes up.

[The Grim Reefer]

Preflowers! Preflowers! Everywhere!

I still have no idea what sex she is. I'm almost 90% positive she's a girl, but time till tell all.

Oh yeah, so I lifted up her pot today to check her out and I saw more roots.

By more roots, I mean there's actually a strand of root coming out of the very small middle hole in the bottom, as well as I can see roots in every drainage hole I find.

-Are you serious? Time to transplant again?
She's in flowering for fuck sakes!

(no pics of droopy yet, she wasn't looking all that great because I keep 2 fans going pretty hard on my plants. She looks great when I pull her out of the dark period, but after an hour under that fan, her stems get rock solid and a little droopy. They're thick though. Very thick.)

[karmaxul]

Nice, Did ya start to germinate the purple seeds yet?

[The Grim Reefer]

I think on my next run I'm going to use all of these seeds. I have about 10-12 of them, how many do you think I should plant?

Keep in mind I'm using 2 250 watt HPS, I haven't gone through the work of breaking down the lumens to see exactly how many are possible to put under that amount of light.

Think a transplant is in order good buddy? Or should I let her live out her flowering days in that 3 gallon pot?

[karmaxul]

I say all of them but thats just me.
Three gallon is plenty in my opinion.
If you put both bulbs like you got them for spacing on a track hanging straight down you could get a 2.5 to 3 foot wide by 5 to 6 feet I would say for bud space I would say.

[The Grim Reefer]

It's a girl! (at least this is my guess, the preflowers are forming a "v" shape)

She's creeping up to 17 inches now.

Droopy:

[BukDatAss]

Congrats spoil that lady and :pimp: her out

[karmaxul]

She is looking lovely. About time she woke up and started stretching. See how the top leaves are not raised up in a V. She is still a bit damp. If you run her a bit dryer the smaller growth will green up and the top tips of the leaves will be the highest part of the plant. I would try and keep the very bottom of that pot dry at all times if you can or get a electric blanket under them. If the entire soil is wet, for the bottom to dry out will take up to two weeks. More then two days can lead to lowering of ph and yellowing of the plant. More oxygen will also help with more compact growth.

[The Grim Reefer]

I've been trying to let all of the dry out very frequently, the only the problem is I've been getting signs of underwatering.

I'll see if I can't an electric blanket from wal-mart tonight and lay it down beneath them, thanks for the tip bro - I definitely appreciate it.

I'll also see if I can't put more holes in the bottom of the pots. (which is extremely hard to do with soil in them, but I can do it anyway. Viva Exacto Knife)

Will the blanket cause too much much heat? The room sometimes gets higher 80s. I guess they have a temp control though depending on what I get. :D

Hit me up!

Buk - Thanks bro, still using 5-1-1 - trying to get some more organics but having trouble finding a place open late enough besides wally world :/

<3

[karmaxul]

I leave the electric blankets on low. You may not need them.

Ya those pots look like hard plastic. That stuff is tuff to cut through most definatly.

What are signs of under watering that you are getting. I have seen a couple of my plants wilt from lack of water which goes from health to death in say 12 hours, totally dry. But thats about it. Usually in normal conditions they can go up to 24 hours being bone dry.

[The Grim Reefer]

Well droopy last night was BONE dry, I could put my hand halfway down the pot without pulling up any moisture, I guess I can start to wait for small signs of wilting? That doesn't sound all that healthy but it might give me a heads up.

As far as underwatering, one of my plants has and still is looking wilty all over the leaves even though I've been watering it everyday/every other day.

Poor girl. Want a pic of the garden? I'll shut the lights off real quick and snap a shot or two.

Another thing, is the bigger plant besides droopy hasn't had her leaves sticking directly out since I can remember and I'm wondering if this is from all of the circulation I have going on in there, I just like 'em perky. :D

[karmaxul]

No wilting is not healthy at all.

Ya I love pics.

A strong breeze can be neg. if to strong. It most likely is not getting perky leaves I would guess because the lack of oxygen has lead to lack of transpiration and shrunk the viens of the plant. Thats just a guess and I really dont know why. Shell come back.

[The Grim Reefer]

Interesting.. getting some yellow/BROWN spots on the other plant at the very bottom. (there is still green, I'll take some pics) It looks like it's working it's way up but it's hard to say.

Pics to come later.. after I crash.

Btw. droopy had a perfect "V" when I brought her out of the dark period today.

<3

[karmaxul]

Probably form misting the soil. Some of it may have hit the leaf and burned it. That is why I do not folair

[growing4dummys]

where have you been grim....no updates in a while

[The Grim Reefer]

No droopy in here, but everybody else is just catching some rays :D

A bit more yellowing on the bottom leaves than I'm used to, still only using Alaska (5-1-1) picking up some Maxicrop tomorrow.

Droopy is budding, though I think I MAY see a few bananas on her :o

Not too worried. May get some Dutchmaster Reverse tomorrow.

Questions? Comments?

The plants here are still in Veg, I'll be switching to flower in a week or two.

<3

[Chris Seekins]

Beautiful, thanks for the update.

I have been wondering how they were doing

[The Grim Reefer]

Could the yellowing/rusting of a few leaves be a result of the lacking nutes?

Should I go ahead and flower at 1 foot or on and a half foot on the smaller plants? They're all a foot or over right now.

<3

[turtle420]

Should I go ahead and flower at 1 foot or on and a half foot on the smaller plants? They're all a foot or over right now.
Take this with a grain of salt, but, yeah! Flower!

[The Grim Reefer]

Turtle - <3
Thanks for dropping by ;)

It's only bag seed, but I'm excited nonetheless.

Alright, so in a week I'm going to go ahead and flower, I want to do a few transplants before they start budding.

However, I have a dilemma..

Currently, the plant in flowering goes in the DARK from 7pm to 7am.

Since it's hot in Arizona, I want to get them on a 10-10 kind of thing. 10am to 10pm.

I still have a week or so before I flower them ALL together, but how can I get the flowering plant to match up with the 10am-10pm schedule without stressing it too much? Should I gradually give it an extra 2 hours?

Thanks in advance for the suggestions XD
<3

[Chris Seekins]

Usually the yellowing of the leaves is associated with wet soil, but not always. The ph gets thrown off if air is not allowed to the microbes as they can not break down the nitrogen into nitrate, which is the form the plants use.

I would give it extra light when changing not extra dark. I would try and keep 12 hours of dark no matter what. Should be fine

[Sparrow]

Yo how the ladies doing?

[The Grim Reefer]

Hey kids!

A little update on the plants..
3/6 have spread their legs to me and to my liking, they're female!

-The biggest plant was put into flowering 3/11, it's looking close to being ready but I'm not sure what to look for besides trichomes. The pistils are browning and I'm going to look for my microscope tomorrow.

The only problem with that, is I'm just starting the flushing and I'm worried she'll be ready in a week or so. Experts can toss me some advice there?

The leaves are yellowing a bit, PH is 6.6-6.8. I'm assuming it's just putting every ounce of energy into the buds since I've seen it happen before, but I still have yet to research more on the subject. :D

Pics to follow up!

[The Grim Reefer]

What's the easiest and most discreet way to trash males?

I'm dissapointed that all of the healthier ones were male instead of female. Bastards.

Oh well, all of them were from mid bag seed except for one. The one seed is from a bag of grapefruit smelling bud I had awhile ago. Lucky me, eh?

Haha, next time it's all going to be from a seed bank.

[chisme]

heheeheh grim u have the same carpet as me lol

[Powder Puff]

What's the easiest and most discreet way to trash males?

I'm dissapointed that all of the healthier ones were male instead of female. Bastards.

Oh well, all of them were from mid bag seed except for one. The one seed is from a bag of grapefruit smelling bud I had awhile ago. Lucky me, eh?

Haha, next time it's all going to be from a seed bank.
Don't trash the males.. Make cannabutter out of them, and then make some cake:D

[The Grim Reefer]

Here's droopy almost 2 months into flowering:

Just started cutting nutes tonight! I hope I have time! :o :thumbsup:

[The Grim Reefer]

Don't trash the males.. Make cannabutter out of them, and then make some cake:D

LOL, too late for that. They've been killed via dehydration, though I still have them in the garage..dead..

[The Grim Reefer]

The big plant is now showing a phosphorus deficiency due to some of the leaves purpling. Granted I've only flushed it once I'm not quite sure what to do.

Do I let all of the growth just die due to a deficiency?
Do I give my plant JUST that one nutrient?
Do I give it a good fertilizing one last time?

I'll give some more information on the trichomes in a minute, I may have to bust out my old microscope and trim a leaf with some trichomes on it.
If I had to give you a percentage on the hairs on each bud turning brown, I'd say at max 10-15%.

Help! XD

[Krogith]

when you stick finger into soil and it's dry 4-6 inch depth fully water your plant soke! then should be a every other day water cycle. Yes plants got a K2O and p2O5 deffency you should ither goto a hydroponics shop and get a 0-5-4 / or goto a garden store and look around the flowers and tomatos section and look on the nutrishion get something with some K2O and P2O5 and lil MG should be good. For Soil give it nutrishion then wait a week the other water time just use normal water i'd give it another light treatment after that week of normal water see how shes doing then.

[The Grim Reefer]

Thanks for the reply Krogith!

The only thing I'm worried about, is she may be ready for harvest very soon and I don't want to be smoking any nutrients.

I feel I'm cutting it close as it is, she'll be 7 weeks into flowering tomorrow.

Paranoia? Possibly. xD

Should I go ahead and just give her a last fertilizing with something higher in potassium and phosphorus and then flush for 2 weeks and yank her out?

[Krogith]

yeah man sorry i didn't sign onto boards long time ago yeah you sound like you got it figed shit out, the 2 week opure flush befor harvest is key to... now that your close to the end it's up to you if you got 3 weeks you think do it man blast em and flush 2 weeks but if shes done 80%+ brown hairs then shes done ya know:smokin: if last pic is latest than man more time maybe like 5 weeks would be good clear her up and buco the buds all depends on hair %

[The Grim Reefer]

Awesome, thanks for the info Krog - that's just what I needed to hear.

I'll pick up some Maxicrop today and mix it with my Alaskan and the nute balance should be perfect, I'll fert her for another week or so and then starve her brains out.

Those pics are just a few days old. How many more weeks would you say?

You've been a great help bro! thanks again

[Krogith]

i'd need to see a good close shot of a bud tell you my guesstimte on how much longer but thats a 4-5' plant? im guess about 5 more weeks i would like i said do a Feed and water next 7 day ( when shes dry) FEED and then do a week water see where shes at if you wana harvest then do one more week water if not and shes still putting out new hairs then shes wants to grow and get feed Again! Your god indoors:smokin:




This plant is ready... PS: best background for where you Grow is FLAT WHITE it reflects the best light and a flat surface will disperse it evenly no hot spots. Milar/plastic sheets or 8 layers flat/satin paint.

[The Grim Reefer]

Time for a pic update!

You'll notice in the following pics how all 3 pots are laid almost all the way on their side, I've had some interesting results so far.

Does cola growth on the side branches slow the main cola growth at all?

(say the main cola and a cola on a branch are the same distance from the light)

Thanks in advance for your help!

Comments appreciated as always.

Here come the barrage of pics! :D

[The Grim Reefer]

More with my HPS off and the CFL on:

[The Grim Reefer]

And droopy!:
( this is her 7th week )

[The Grim Reefer]

Small update -

Grabbed a 30x handheld microscope from HobbyBench yesterday.

I don't understand how you guys can focus and check on your trichomes easy, the focus is hard to get - I may have to find something sturdy for both my plant and microscope and work something out that way!

From what I can tell, the triches are getting thick with THC (cloudy) and I don't see anything amber yet.

:thumbsup:

[The Grim Reefer]

* * * Nugget Update * * *

I went ahead and took it upon myself to give a smaller set of her goodies a grab.

Dense, DENSE buds. Firm as hell, which is surprising considering it's all organic and to be honest, I thought the way this plant looks - it's quality would be downhill. :rasta:

I also just checked her trichomes out on my 30x.. they look like little balls of semen. :dance:

Cloudy! Cloudy! Cloudy!

Not one trace of anything amber yet, but I'm waiting!

I'll just keep on the nutes until I see half amber. I want both, though I'd prefer the heady high more so. :D

<3

[busteruk7]

looking good reefer m8 nice one
cheers all :)

[The Grim Reefer]

It's been quite awhile since an update. :)

I chopped my biggest lady down today WITHOUT flushing due to a small spider mite infestation.

However, since I've only used organics I'm not too worried. Worst comes to worse, they'll get an extra long cure if the taste is terrible :D

This grow has been nothing, BUT a learning experience.
Everything that could have gone wrong, basically went wrong - however, I killed about 8 birds with one bush. In this case, a marijuana bush :smokin:

Since there were a few webs hanging around, I used an entire can of keyboard cleaner (the cans of compressed gas with a straw). This knotted up the webs and knocked most eggs/mites off of the buds.

I then cut the fan leaves from the stem and worked my way on manicuring the very small leaves.

I had 3 containers: one for dead plant matter, one for fan leaves that didn't have enough trichomes for hash, and the last was my hash trimmings!

All hash trimmings were thoroughly inspected for mites, if no mites were found -then into the hash pile. If mites WERE found, they were eradicated and then the leaf was sent off to the hash pile.

For the one plant, it was a long, yet theraputic process. I went through Dogma, Office Space, and Tomb Raider while cutting Droopy up.

If I had enough time, I would have flushed her properly and sprayed her down to kill the mites.

However, for my other 2 plants - the war is on.

[Solistus]

I just read this entire thread from start to finish... Congrats on a successful first grow! Let us know how those buds turned out :)

[The Grim Reefer]

Solistus - Thanks a lot for the reply, I hope some of the info was helpful in the least :D

There are so many things I could have done better, in fact on my next grow I'm going to do a comparison and give some insight as to how you can improve your grow knowledge like I did.. I still have so much to learn. It's all so much fun though!

The plant turned out 16 grams (little over a half ounce) of what would be considered pretty high quality around here. I guess it's alright for my first grow, but I'm going to try and double it on my next grow.

As for the buds - they're still curing and they smell like spice until you break them open, after you break through them it smells like really tangy fruit. It's kind of interesting..

My friend really loved the taste and said it got him pretty high, I think it could use another 10-20 days curing :D

I also think another factor is they got a little too dry, as in 5% water. So I went ahead and threw a fresh bud in there and within a few days they were as good as new!

[The Grim Reefer]

You know what I found interesting most of all, is the lack of spider mites/evidence of spider mites in the buds.

In fact, if you ever have a spidermite problem during flowering, fend them off the best you can and when you harvest 95-99.9% of them will leave the buds.

Day 1: I found a LOT of webbing on the paperclips which I hung the buds from. I pulled each bud off and wiped everything down, including the bud's stems, with water and a rag.

Day 2: I found a few more webs and a few more mites crawling up the stems. I then noticed that they were crawling not only up the stems and the paperclips, but all the way up the clotheshanger as well!
Another wipedown was done.

Day 3: It was like a barren wasteland. Nothing. Not even with my microscope.

:stoned:

**If you hang the buds upside down, the mites will be more likely to climb up the stem and away from the bud opposed to leaving the stems intact with the trunk than NOT hanging it upside down.

[The Grim Reefer]

** About to smoke 3 bowls of Droopy approx 10 days after cure - Will post results

*so excited*

[The Grim Reefer]

~Droopy

Strain: Unknown. Bagseed.

Indica/Sativa %: Uknown. However, a glance at the leaves tells me it's an indica dominant mix. However! When I smoke it, it feels like there's more sativa.

Feels like: I feel like I'm on cocaine and nyquil. My heart and thoughts are racing but I have a sort of numbness, I can't stop thinking!

Found: A seed of mids I got awhile ago. A seed of crappy mids. In fact, this right here goes to show you that shwag can be grown to be some potent stuff under the right conditions. Hell, I screwed up quite a few times and still managed to get a half ounce of what feels like about double the potency of the original bud!

Consistancy: Very, very fluffy buds. You know what fresh snowfall looks like? Since the buds aren't as dense but still decent sized, it looks like fresh green snowfall. Breaks up and cash's like a dream, though I do wish they were a bit more dense. When you touch and squeeze them, you'd almost rather hug them and sleep on them than of smoke them.

Sticky Factor: The buds are so sticky, that if you try to break it up with just one finger it's incredibly easy for the buds to get stuck together.

Odor: I can't smell a thing until I break the nuggest open.

Odor Factor: When growing: Med+ / When bagged: Low-

Efficiency of Combustion: Burns pretty well, unfortunately I wasn't able to flush it properly so once in awhile there will be a bowl that will have a crackle.

Taste: This is one for the citrus pile. It smells VERY sour though, not sure where it came from unfortunately.

Smoothness: Getting very smooth, sometimes a hit or two will be harsh but it's a LOT better than it was just a few days ago.

Conclusion: For my first plant, I guess it's not too bad. The smoke is about 50% more incredible than the plant it came from.
2 medium to large bowls set me straight.

Don't underestimate the power of bag seed.

[Garden Knowm]

WOW

[9ski9]

Great buzz report, Grim...I don't think I've ever read one like that before. When's the next grow start?

[GrowinGreen23]

yeah man sounds good, to me idk about nayone else but NL have a bit of a sour smell in the bag to me, but it's good shit, You goign to let some cure longer?

GG23

[medicine man]

karm i think its funny you live on high st.... actually i think it is fucking hilarious

[cloud3648]

i really apriciate this post i got alot of info from your grow. :hippy:

can i ask you a question though grim, will my peters all purpose plant fool, and doomlight lime will be enough for nutes?

[Rastaman Vibrations]

Nice breakdown of the smoke. It almost feels like I smoked some with such an all around description of about everything someone would wanna know. Rep to you Grim Reefer!!!