Do you support raising the minimum driving age?

[BaseRSX]

Do you support raising the minimum driving age in your state? A lot of states want to raise the minimum driving age from 16 to 18. Iâ??m 34 and absolutely will vote for this. The number of accidents and fatalities caused by drivers of the ages 16 and 17 are just shocking. Sure I was allowed to drive when I was 16 and when I think back to all the dangerous, stupid things I did in my car at that age it just makes me agree with this more. The combination of attitude and lack of experience at that age is a very deadly combination.



I for one will be going out of my way to vote for this in my state. What do you think? And please state your age with your answer.

[dopesmoker]

i dont support raising it. I think they need to make it more difficult to pass the driving test, so that good drivers can drive while bad ones cannot

[BaseRSX]

i dont support raising it. I think they need to make it more difficult to pass the driving test, so that good drivers can drive while bad ones cannot

Driving tests do not take into account the attitude of the driver when their car is full of friends and not with a driving inpector! Statistics have show that the numbers of fatalities caused by 16 and 17 year old drivers are over double the number cause by 18 and 19 year olds.

[cameron123240]

please you guys, in my hometown anyways, raising the minimum driving age will just anger kids that have been made underage, and then, those kids 14-17 1/2, will go out with their cars, or parents cars in the dead of night, raising hell because they can't legally drive. yes, some will be caught, but keeping the driving age at 16 is IMPORTANT because if the kids that are of age take drivers ed and shit, yes they will know how to drive respectfully, and responsibly, but alll those kids getting drunk and driving their mommys cars around without any drivers education courses, will surely be more dangerous than a 17 year old who cant even take the damn course in the first place, and who should have already had his license.


~Cameron

[tootsie roll]

Do you support raising the minimum driving age in your state? A lot of states want to raise the minimum driving age from 16 to 18. Iâ??m 34 and absolutely will vote for this. The number of accidents and fatalities caused by drivers of the ages 16 and 17 are just shocking. Sure I was allowed to drive when I was 16 and when I think back to all the dangerous, stupid things I did in my car at that age it just makes me agree with this more. The combination of attitude and lack of experience at that age is a very deadly combination.



I for one will be going out of my way to vote for this in my state. What do you think? And please state your age with your answer.

I totally agree with you. I'll vote for that.

Dopesmoker, a harder test does not make a better driver. It takes time and experience.

[BaseRSX]

please you guys, in my hometown anyways, raising the minimum driving age will just anger kids that have been made underage, and then, those kids 14-17 1/2, will go out with their cars, or parents cars in the dead of night, raising hell because they can't legally drive. yes, some will be caught, but keeping the driving age at 16 is IMPORTANT because if the kids that are of age take drivers ed and shit, yes they will know how to drive respectfully, and responsibly, but alll those kids getting drunk and driving their mommys cars around without any drivers education courses, will surely be more dangerous than a 17 year old who cant even take the damn course in the first place, and who should have already had his license.


~Cameron

Well that is just stupid because the punishment for driving without a license is so steep only total thugs would go out and break the law. And the majority of them would be caught and then not be able to drive until they were 21 or so. So that would be great. You underestimate how harsh the penalties are for being caught driving underage without a license!!

[dopesmoker]

I totally agree with you. I'll vote for that.

Dopesmoker, a harder test does not make a better driver. It takes time and experience.

Then if it takes time and experience no age limit will be good enough.

I suppose there are pros and cons to raising or lowering the driving age

[tootsie roll]

please you guys, in my hometown anyways, raising the minimum driving age will just anger kids that have been made underage, and then, those kids 14-17 1/2, will go out with their cars, or parents cars in the dead of night, raising hell because they can't legally drive. yes, some will be caught, but keeping the driving age at 16 is IMPORTANT because if the kids that are of age take drivers ed and shit, yes they will know how to drive respectfully, and responsibly, but alll those kids getting drunk and driving their mommys cars around without any drivers education courses, will surely be more dangerous than a 17 year old who cant even take the damn course in the first place, and who should have already had his license.


~Cameron
They would still have to take a driving course. It just wouldn't be in high school.
It's a shame how many kids die each year driving. Sometimes a whole car full of kids die at once. Driving is a PRIVLIDGE not a RIGHT.

[infidel818]

i think that in sertain places...like california....its pretty necessary to drive a car to get through daily life. So having the age here be 16...its alright. ok im so over this thread..i dont even feel like goin on. But basically i also hate seeing lil fukn bitch kids driving cars cuz they can barely look over the wheel and fuck em damn.

[cameron123240]

hee hee! my Exact point fellows: good driving takes TiME....YES!!! of course!

but i think you are mis-understanding my point; true, good driving takes time and experience, but i think that the driving age should be the same, because i mean, hello????, you need PRACTICE to excel. if you cant even take driver's ed til 17 1/2, then thats a whole year and a half that you could have spent practicing driving skills. in some cases, maturity might assist with good behavior, but not that much will come from only 2 years in my opinion, but i can Definately see your reasons for thinking the way that you are.


Very Interesting Indeed.:)

~Cameron

[tootsie roll]

Then if it takes time and experience no age limit will be good enough.

I suppose there are pros and cons to raising or lowering the driving age
Being very truthful, there is no way I should have been behind the wheel at 16. I'm lucky I'm still alive. I agree with you that there are pros and cons.

I'll tell you what happened to me when there was a change in the drinking age. I had just turned legal (19) and I was having a great time! Very shortly after, they changed the age to 21. I was literally in the bar at midnight when the change took effect. The cops came and everyone under 21 was booted out. I had to wait over a year and a half after that. But I did live. lol

[Lily420]

Im in no situation to argue, i dare not be a hypocrite for i partake in DUI, oh yes. Sometimes we're all high and driving around, and theres quite a few of us. We drive until we get somewhere like doncun donuts or across the street, dont matter. :smokin:

[cameron123240]

Wow! i can hardly keep up.

Very True actually, Drving is a privelage, but adults die in automobile accidents as well, and i think, as most of you will agree, that high school students and college men and women, are always in such a rush; going to the store, going to school on time, showing up for their jobs on time, blah blah, that when they get on the freeway stuck behind an old granny; (No offence to Grannys, they are the safest drivers anywhere) they slam their foot down, and crash into a tree and die, but certainly this is their fault so yes, i can understand. But then again, adults can do dumb shit like that also. I was going somewhere just the other day, and looked to my left to see some idiot driving alongside me on the freeway reading a book, and not looking at the road for nearly a slow count of 11 seconds. i mean this guy must have been at least 40. :dance:

[tootsie roll]

Im in no situation to argue, i dare not be a hypocrite for i partake in DUI, oh yes. Sometimes we're all high and driving around, and theres quite a few of us. We drive until we get somewhere like doncun donuts or across the street, dont matter. :smokin:
..............or across the street. rotf!

[tootsie roll]

Wow! i can hardly keep up.

Very True actually, Drving is a privelage, but adults die in automobile accidents as well, and i think, as most of you will agree, that high school students and college men and women, are always in such a rush; going to the store, going to school on time, showing up for their jobs on time, blah blah, that when they get on the freeway stuck behind an old granny; (No offence to Grannys, they are the safest drivers anywhere) they slam their foot down, and crash into a tree and die, but certainly this is their fault so yes, i can understand. But then again, adults can do dumb shit like that also. I was going somewhere just the other day, and looked to my left to see some idiot driving alongside me on the freeway reading a book, and not looking at the road for nearly a slow count of 11 seconds. i mean this guy must have been at least 40. :dance:

Yeah, some adults drive like idiots too. A couple of weeks ago we were behind this lady who was all over the place, on and off the brake while she was gazing at herself in the rearview putting on her face paint. She really pissed me off and we were in a no pass zone. :Mad:
(how come the icons don't work for me anymore?)

[BaseRSX]

I will go even one further; it should be 16 and 17 yearold guys not allowed more than girls. Of course they would never do this but come on everyone knows itâ??s the guys that are doing most of the really stupid shit. The insurance companies sure know this!

Like I said when I think back to some of the totally stupid shit I did in my car, full of friends, at 16... Damn!! Like a lot of people have already said, I'm lucky to be alive today! I used to burn down the hill in my neighborhood, itâ??s a 25 mile an hour little residential street in a quiet little suburb. I would try to get to the highest speed possible and then slam on the breaks and come to a stop at the intersection. I think my record was like 77MPH and the locking the breaks up (this was before the days of ABS). And come screaming and sliding to a stop. Laughing my ass off all the way.

That shit was just totally insane!! I have no idea how I was able to do that so many times and not kill myself, someone else, or be arrested!

[bedake]

i think they should raise the minimum driving age from 16 to 18, 90% of 16 year olds are not mature at all, i dont think they should be able to drive, not a year goes by i dont see some stupid ass teenagers getting killed, not like they got anything important to do anyways

[justinsane]

my vote is FOR the age raise, sure it might piss people off..

but look at it from a different point of veiw

id rather have pissed off kids than alot of dead people

[BaseRSX]

DEFINITELY agree with this. 16 is WAY too young to be driving. Only young people with no experience will vote to keep it the same way.

Nice thing about that is they are too young to vote.

I hear there are a lot of parents against raising the driving age but only because they say they are too busy to have to drive them to school! What kind of parents would put their own convinces and schedule ahead of their kids and other people on the roadâ??s safety?!?!

[pabloescobar209]

Do you support raising the minimum driving age in your state? A lot of states want to raise the minimum driving age from 16 to 18. Iâ??m 34 and absolutely will vote for this. The number of accidents and fatalities caused by drivers of the ages 16 and 17 are just shocking. Sure I was allowed to drive when I was 16 and when I think back to all the dangerous, stupid things I did in my car at that age it just makes me agree with this more. The combination of attitude and lack of experience at that age is a very deadly combination.

you could also agrue though that you only did those things because you were an unexperienced driver, not just because you were 16... and the only way to become and experienced driver is to drive. i arue that kids would do the same things at the age of 18 as they will at 16 when presented with a new found toy... would you agree??

I for one will be going out of my way to vote for this in my state. What do you think? And please state your age with your answer.you could also agrue though that you only did those things because you were an unexperienced driver, not just because you were 16... and the only way to become and experienced driver is to drive. i arue that kids would do the same things at the age of 18 as they will at 16 when presented with a new found toy... would you agree??

[BaseRSX]

you could also agrue though that you only did those things because you were an unexperienced driver, not just because you were 16... and the only way to become and experienced driver is to drive. i arue that kids would do the same things at the age of 18 as they will at 16 when presented with a new found toy... would you agree??

There is some truth to that argument but I would have to say no. By the time I was 18 I had grown up a lot more, at that age 2 years makes a HUGE difference and I would never have done shit that crazy like I did when I was 16.

It's true the "new toy" syndrome will be there at any age but the difference in maturity between 16 and 18 I think is enormous and when speaking statistically makes an enormous difference in the number of fatalities. Remember there are some states and countries where the driving age is 18 and when you compare the numbers it is no contest. The 16 and 17 yearolds kill themselves and other way more than the 18 and 19 yearolds do. Even when comparing the age groups of both brand new drivers.

[BaseRSX]

you could also agrue though that you only did those things because you were an unexperienced driver, not just because you were 16... and the only way to become and experienced driver is to drive. i arue that kids would do the same things at the age of 18 as they will at 16 when presented with a new found toy... would you agree??

There is some truth to that argument but I would have to say no. By the time I was 18 I had grown up a lot more, at that age 2 years makes a HUGE difference and I would never have done shit that crazy like I did when I was 16.

It's true the "new toy" syndrome will be there at any age but the difference in maturity between 16 and 18 I think is enormous and when speaking statistically makes an enormous difference in the number of fatalities. Remember there are some states and countries where the driving age is 18 and when you compare the numbers it is no contest. The 16 and 17 yearolds kill themselves and other way more than the 18 and 19 yearolds do. Even when comparing the age groups of both brand new drivers.

[pabloescobar209]

Driving tests do not take into account the attitude of the driver when their car is full of friends and not with a driving inpector! Statistics have show that the numbers of fatalities caused by 16 and 17 year old drivers are over double the number cause by 18 and 19 year olds.
i agree stats don't lie... but they may mislead... i still say that kids will be just as bad at driving if they can't until there 18, it's all experience... i would suggest changing the law to you have to have a permit for 2 years and pass serious non standardized tests... ie, if you live in an area pron to snowfall you should have to pass a test in snowy conditions and have to have so many logged hours driving in these conditions, same goes for hilly terrain, and driving in traffic... it should all be adjusted according to where you live, i think this would make much safer drivers... BTW i also think you should have to pass both written and driving exams atleast every 10 years, this way everybody will stay up to date and we won't have any elderly people who should not be allowed behind the wheel making the roads unsafe. i also think they should make cars transmit a signal that disables the use of cell phones in a car when it is in any other gear than park... it's just not safe. yesterday i was driving home from work at 7am on the highway when i encounter what appears to be a drunk driver driving slow and wandering all over the road. when i finally pass then i look over to see a younger looking woman appearing to type a text message while driving on the highway, these people are gonna kill sombody or themselves...

[pabloescobar209]

There is some truth to that argument but I would have to say no. By the time I was 18 I had grown up a lot more, at that age 2 years makes a HUGE difference and I would never have done shit that crazy like I did when I was 16.

It's true the "new toy" syndrome will be there at any age but the difference in maturity between 16 and 18 I think is enormous and when speaking statistically makes an enormous difference in the number of fatalities. Remember there are some states and countries where the driving age is 18 and when you compare the numbers it is no contest. The 16 and 17 yearolds kill themselves and other way more than the 18 and 19 yearolds do. Even when comparing the age groups of both brand new drivers.
i agree with you, but i just think driving experience has a huge part to do with it.

[VoidLivesOn]

I'm getting my license this summer and I'll still be 16.If you presume I'll get in an accident or take someones life....then I'll be sure to do so.:cool:

No not really, but you can just go ahead and vote.That will just be another example of elders depicting on how we steer our generation.Its a good thing I respect you guys [elders].

[VoidLivesOn]

Ok I was thinking about this.How about when you do raise the age limit you don't leave us out in the fucking cold.Ok I reside, with my family, in a town where its growing slowly but surely and the only way to get around is to walk, far....or bum rides off friends and family.

We have the shittiest fucking excuse for bus transprotation I have ever seen in my life.So if your so worked up on teenagers dying do to driving at a young age,and are going to change the law to raise the driving age.I would like to see the same people improving the transportation system so teenagers arn't so quick to want to drive and act like assholes.

I can almost assure you it wouldn't happen though.People like this, that want to change the law are always quick to improve something but never have an alternative...so as soon as my state raises the age limit but dosn't improve the transportation,they can all eat a dick.

By the way my view point is from a 16 year old.

[BizzleLuvin]

YES. the younger they are, the more irresponsible they are on the road. i speak from experience here

[Whos Carl]

I am 18 and I am the only 1 of my friends who hasnt crashed yet.

[sdffa11]

i wouldnt mind raising the driving age limit from 17 to 19. hell, why not? i got my license and everytime i drive on the road, there is some retard that is driving so fucking slow in the passing lane and i have to cut their bitch ass off so they realize theyre going too slow.

i say dont let anyone under 20 get their license and dont let anyone over 60 drive.

[VoidLivesOn]

i wouldnt mind raising the driving age limit from 17 to 19. hell, why not? i got my license and everytime i drive on the road, there is some retard that is driving so fucking slow in the passing lane and i have to cut their bitch ass off so they realize theyre going too slow.

i say dont let anyone under 20 get their license and dont let anyone over 60 drive.

And I say your a fucking idiot.So maybe you shouldn't be able to drive?

From what I just said above I guess you realize on how affective your shitty opinion really was, huh asshole?

[lemonboy]

Absolutely not! Young people in this country have almost no rights as it is. Taking away transportation leaves them trapped inside little boxes with no means for escape.

Age doesn't cause accidents. It's the parents that buy their kids new cars every time they total them that cause them. I know people that had 3 and 4 cars bought for them when they were growing up. Stupid is as stupid does.

[sdffa11]

typical 16 year old. who the fuck cares about if you drive or not. i bet youre a shitty driver and will have a driving while intoxicated charge against you within the first year. im 23 and still havent had an accident or a point on my license ever. the only accidents ive gotten into is when stupid douchebag teenagers that just got their license or old ass retards that cant even see hit me from behind when im standing still at a red light. maybe if you retards would pay attention on the road, i wouldnt feel this way.


youre fucking 16 anyways. wtf would you know about driving anyways. ive been driving for 7 yrs. you havent even driven for 1 month. fucking douchebag

[hardon]

Do you support raising the minimum driving age in your state? A lot of states want to raise the minimum driving age from 16 to 18. Iâ??m 34 and absolutely will vote for this. The number of accidents and fatalities caused by drivers of the ages 16 and 17 are just shocking. Sure I was allowed to drive when I was 16 and when I think back to all the dangerous, stupid things I did in my car at that age it just makes me agree with this more. The combination of attitude and lack of experience at that age is a very deadly combination.



I for one will be going out of my way to vote for this in my state. What do you think? And please state your age with your answer.

i diagree with that...going through highschool without a license would be pretty awful...especially for more rural areas (i live 2 miles from the nearest house) and do you really think that people arent going to drive anyways?? i mean shit, its illegal to toke up, its illegal to drink underage, and look at all the shit that goes on. and cmon we're kids i mean dont get me wrong ive driven from nc to iowa and back 3 or 4 times and never had a problem but sometimes you just gotta go to some random rock roads and start slidin corners and whatnot...it's a good stress reliever!

oh btw im 17

[VoidLivesOn]

The only thing that you have to hold against me in this debate is your age.AS effective as it is it still dosn't make up for how fucking retarted your making yourself sound.


i wouldnt mind raising the driving age limit from 17 to 19. hell, why not? i got my license and everytime i drive on the road, there is some retard that is driving so fucking slow in the passing lane and i have to cut their bitch ass off so they realize theyre going too slow.

i say dont let anyone under 20 get their license and dont let anyone over 60 drive.

Isn't it assholes like you that are in such a rush to go everwhere causing most of the accidents? No it must be ALL the teenagers....lets not even settle with the word majority.I agree, shun teenagers from having a reliable source of transportation.I mean its easy for all of you over 18 to agree with this seeing as this law wouldn't affect you, besides the fact that it would be one less teenager on the road to let YOU drive like a fucking prick.

[Whos Carl]

It all depends. I am a great driver (if I do say so myself) my mum says I am good my driving instructor said I was the best student he had ever had. I passed 1st time havent had a crash (touch wood) no scrapes or scratches. A mate crashed his car after about 2 weeks written off. Other mate hit a cyclist.

Statistically us young un's are more likely to crash so we get to pay for everyone elses crashes although some of us are good drivers.

A little bit of information- I was the only person I know who took an Adavanced Driving Course before I ever drove on my own.

So I reckon harder driving tests but that will still not work because you will get crap drivers getting through by luck and good drivers having a bad day.

[Skink]

I really don't think 1 or 2 years is going to improve a bad driver... I was drinking in bars when i was 13 and at that time the law was 21... If I was 15 going on 16 and they changed the law to 18 I would be extremely pissed and would steal my parents car and drive anyway,in fact I did do that at 13 also...

The Skink

[Myth1184]

statistics also show that female drivers are worse than male drivers, yet Males pay more for Insurance than Girls do..mmmm

[VoidLivesOn]

Oh yeah but when all the teenagers are gone, who are you ganna blame?

[beachguy in thongs]

I've had a couple of 19 year-olds crash into me. I say, we raise it to 21.

[skulltorcha]

Im getting my license this year ill be 17, i think thats old enough but yeah there will be more accidents, because lots of young drives are lunatics, but i also to need get around too...

[VoidLivesOn]

But to answer the original question of this thread, no I would not support it if I were 18 and anyone cherished my opinion.

[God v2.0]

Teens need preparation for life, driving at 16 is a perfect example of this. Let natural selection take its course you pussies.

Think about it from a 16 year olds point of view (im not 16 but this is what they think). If im 16 im probably sick of life at home and getting anxious to get out on my own, is it better to give me a car and the ability to drive 2 years before im out on my own or at the same time? I think the preparation we receive from ages 15 and 7 months until we move out is very valuable and it includes driving, getting your first job, probably first real relationship etc....

It's up to the parents to make sure their kids are good drivers by teaching them how to do it. Don't expect the damn drivers ed teacher to do it, do it yourself you lazy mofo's, because the only sure way to know something is to be there and experience it for yourself. So stop being so fucking lazy and quit blaming others for your kids problems, take matters into your own damn hands. You can win against your child. Tell them no, when you need to, tell them yes when you need to. But stick to your shit and dont let your stupid kids boss you around (unless they are intelligent enough to rebuttal you and have an intelligent conversation with). Treat them according to how they act.

[sdffa11]

The only thing that you have to hold against me in this debate is your age.AS effective as it is it still dosn't make up for how fucking retarted your making yourself sound.



Isn't it assholes like you that are in such a rush to go everwhere causing most of the accidents? No it must be ALL the teenagers....lets not even settle with the word majority.I agree, shun teenagers from having a reliable source of transportation.I mean its easy for all of you over 18 to agree with this seeing as this law wouldn't affect you, besides the fact that it would be one less teenager on the road to let YOU drive like a fucking prick.

you obviously dont know anything...i not only hold your age against you in this debate, but also because YOU DONT HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE DRIVING. being younger means you never had any experience driving in any kind of situation, stupid.

i might be in a rush to go places but that still doesnt justify that i havent been in any accidents in my 7 years of driving or that fact that i have never received any points on my license. the last thing i want is some idiot teenager who just got his license to rear end me (like i have had multiple times) because "he didnt know all of the car controls such as braking at the right time." of course, im for it because it doesnt affect me. my state passed a law right after i got my license that you have to be 17 years old to get your license. why the fuck would i care if it affected you in any way. do i know you? do i fucking care about you? the answer to both of these questions are no. so why would i care if the government passes legislation to delay teenage drivers from getting their license. youre making it sound like just because were on the same forum that im supposed to agree with your opinion just because you want to get your license when your 16.

[Capt. Carl]

Raise that shit!

[420purplehaze420]

yeah...alright take what little enjoyment and privileges we have left away. if someone drives reckless when there 16, there probably still going to in another 2 years.

Its all about experience, a car is cruicial for me as i need it to get my life rolling. Having a bunch of new-to-driving 18 yr olds is the same as having 16 yr olds accept there older with more confidence, and more money for faster cars and booze.

think if you were all 16 and they changed the law you would be pissed, so dont be a hypocrite

does anyone know Canada's plans for the driving age? i heard buzz that we were going have it changed aswell

[Skink]

I think we should make a age limit on senior drivers,seems to me they cause a whole lot more havoc on the road...

[bedake]

I am 18 and I am the only 1 of my friends who hasnt crashed yet.


dude, ive only been pulled over once in my life and got a warning, my friends all have like 5 speeding tickets, some have already totaled a couple of cars, dumbass's all of em theres no need to drive bad, im a big fan of setting my cruise control and zoning out, makes life so much less stress filled

[VoidLivesOn]

you obviously dont know anything...i not only hold your age against you in this debate, but also because YOU DONT HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE DRIVING. being younger means you never had any experience driving in any kind of situation, stupid.

i might be in a rush to go places but that still doesnt justify that i havent been in any accidents in my 7 years of driving or that fact that i have never received any points on my license. the last thing i want is some idiot teenager who just got his license to rear end me (like i have had multiple times) because "he didnt know all of the car controls such as braking at the right time." of course, im for it because it doesnt affect me. my state passed a law right after i got my license that you have to be 17 years old to get your license. why the fuck would i care if it affected you in any way. do i know you? do i fucking care about you? the answer to both of these questions are no. so why would i care if the government passes legislation to delay teenage drivers from getting their license. youre making it sound like just because were on the same forum that im supposed to agree with your opinion just because you want to get your license when your 16.

Well since you don't know me or care if I don't get my license till whatever age that is not 16.Then I guess I don't care about your perfect record, or the fact that I wouldn't possibly know if anything you just told me was bullshit.But I am getting my license this summer and I'll be sure to look out for your rear end.:)