NEWS: Operators of Overgrow.com Arrested according to various credible sources...

[Cannabis.com]

Overgrow.com website operators arrested according to Cannabis Culture article, and also according to Gypsy on Icmag:

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4638.html (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4638.html)

Cannabisworld.com and Overgrow.com Seized By Police
by Marc Emery (03 Feb, 2006) Overgrow.com, Cannabisworld.com, Heaven's Stairway Seed Company, and Eurohemp.com Shut Down and Servers Seized by Canadian Police

When the world's largest websites for cannabis growers and enthusiasts disappeared from the web on Monday, January 30, it was thought to be a server problem.

As the week dragged on, tens of thousands of members, seed company sponsors, growers and fans worried there might be more than mere 'server' problems as Richard Calrisian (a pseudonym) had not made any statements in any web based media about any 'technical' problems.

Now it appears Heaven's Stairway Seeds (hempqc.com), Cannabisworld.com, Overgrow.com, Eurohemp.com have been shut down and the owners arrested in Canada; all their web properties seized, including the physical servers that held massive databases on thousands of growers, and tens of thousands of photographs of cannabis plants. Seed companies by the dozens used both Overgrow.com and Cannabisworld.com as a main trading ground. Over 40 seed companies had customer service interactive forums on these sites.

All the information held on those servers is now in the hands of police. It is not known what charges have been laid nor against whom. That police have not boasted about this seizure means the investigation is continuing, before any affected parties can react.

Cannabis Culture began receiving emails on Wednesday saying Richard Calrisian and his wife had been arrested along with four employees, but this could not be corroborated.

On the website www.icmag.com, seed merchant Gypsy Nirvana, operating from England where cannabis seeds are legal, posted this news late Friday:

â??It is with great sadness that I bring you the news that RC and HS, OG and CW have been taken down by the authorities in Canada.....

...I have it from a bonofide source that it happened on monday and RC's computers/servers have most probably been siezed, they spent 2 days going thru his house and removed alot of stuff ...

His wife and some members of his family were also taken into custody and it's possible that she may be released tommorrow on bail... There has not been a peep in the media about this so there could be a reason why it was not advertised by LEO......BE WARNED! not to try and log on to Overgrow or Cannaworld for now since most certainly the security of that site has been compromised and if it comes back up without me first hearing from RC then it is NOT being run by him.....think about it!

...This could bring up some real security issues with many Overgrow/Cannabisworld members.........be warned guys and do what you need to do to make it safer for all of you.......duck and cover if needs be....

....Yours Faithfully...

Gypsy Nirvanaâ?�

As soon as we find out more information about whatâ??s happened, we will provide updates here or in the Cannabis Culture forums [see link added below]. Overgrow.com website members are welcome to converge here to find out more and reconnect.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php (http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/ubbthreads.php)

For people who only visited, who at most casually posted, there is very little risk of anything "bad" happening.

However, people who were personally actively involved (talking via PM, email, etc) with others there should consider taking the necessary precautions to forestall any possible future problems; to protect their privacy.

Ron

[Rarrr]

thats really bad. they have all this information of all these people. It wouldnt surprise me if they abused this...

[Cannabis.com]

The people who need to be most concerned are those who actively communicated extensively with others privately there via PM, email, etc.

Most people who simply visited, and at most casually posted there, have relatively little to worry about.

Ron

[Bluecap]

OUCH OUCH OUCH OUCH wow my high jsut went down!!!!!!!!!!!!! Know way no way that is just fucking wrong FCUK YOU PIGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck fuck fuck not only does this hurt but I was a very active user! I do noT grow but shold I still be worry!!!!!!!!!

[BobBong]

Ron... I'm not one to worry.... but could this pose a risk to cannabis.com and or it's members?

[Bluecap]

Fuck fuck fuck not only does this hurt but I was a very active user! I do noT grow but shold I still be worry!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

[Cannabis.com]

Not overly worried.

From all reports, it appears the operators of Overgrow.com were arrested for some other, yet unknown (likely growing), reasons, and that Overgrow.com was collatoral damage.

Ron

[Legalizdahurb]

Fuck Fuck Fuck
I wish i had printed some of those faqs now.
Any chance of this happening here.

[Legalizdahurb]

doh must have missed the post by Ron.
Sorry to much crop testing lol (to early still a few more weeks i think).

[esrabalamir]

WOAH!

[Bluecap]

I'm sad soo sad

[pabloescobar209]

Ron, is it possible for you to make all the open threads about overgrow all redirect to this thread? I just noticed theres a few different threads about over grow and thought that would really help people get the best info( this thread) if it was like that. i don't know if you can do that but i really think it might help some people figure out whats really happening.:thumbsup: :rasta:

[potsmokingnome]

Wow and I Live in Canada,...wow this is really messed up. Where in canada did this all happen, and this news is not even on the actual news stations yet? This is just so messed up...

[esrabalamir]

wow that sucks man

[endo..jay]

yea that does suck i was never a member but i often browsed

[Psycho4Bud]

We should keep this one bumped up to the top! Any idea on how long Heavens Stairway kept records for? For some reason I though they disposed of shipment records rather quickly after orders were sent. :confused:

[potheaduk]

holy shit

[orangeman]

They can arrest and seize all they want. That wont stop shit. Theres billions of seeds and plants (growing wild) all over the world. They can never stop this cannabis thang so they might as well stop it. All they are doing when doing shit like this is just slowing some growers down until they can find another reliable source. But I feel terribly really, really fuckin sad for what happened. The police are just assholes and dont understand shit but a dick up the ass (fuck the police).

[skunkydelight]

so, no threat here?

[Shelbay]

You would think that with all the pedophiles in this country that this much effort could be put into a program to catch them instead.Sad,sad.

[vaporhead1]

This is not looking good at all folks, in fact, very bad.
What the L's happening in Canada, the government up ther letting the dea merge with the mounites or something ? Man this sucks !!! I hope it's not a forecast of things to come !!
I almost bought some seeds from Heavens Stairway too !!
I have a friend who had just ordered from Marc Emery when that "bust" went down, and he was freaked out for a couple of months.
I was a member of both sites too, although I signed up last summer and had never been that active on either of the sites.
And Shelbay, you actually think they care as much about protecting our children as making some big "show" bust of a huge site; it makes them "appear" that they're doing 'something'; no one knows what, but to the idiots in the general public, it looks like real progress in the "War on Drugs"; right :) !
I'm only glad that I've ordered all my seeds since last summer, and except for one order in December with Rhino, have had no dealings in Canada lately.
I hope everyone heeds Ron's words and stays the flock away from those sites!

[Shelbay]

This is not looking good at all folks, in fact, very bad.
What the L's happening in Canada, the government up ther letting the dea merge with the mounites or something ? Man this sucks !!! I hope it's not a forecast of things to come !!
I almost bought some seeds from Heavens Stairway too !!
I have a friend who had just ordered from Marc Emery when that "bust" went down, and he was freaked out for a couple of months.
I was a member of both sites too, although I signed up last summer and had never been that active on either of the sites.
And Shelbay, you actually think they care as much about protecting our children as making some big "show" bust of a huge site; it makes them "appear" that they're doing 'something'; no one knows what, but to the idiots in the general public, it looks like real progress in the "War on Drugs"; right :) !
I'm only glad that I've ordered all my seeds since last summer, and except for one order in December with Rhino, have had no dealings in Canada lately.
I hope everyone heeds Ron's words and stays the flock away from those sites!
I never even knew about those sites until I read all of this about them on here. I just think more might be going on than we know...such as outside activities affecting the " work place"? I have been reading the news here but nothing about the net really except a HUGE snowballing investigation into myspace.com...never heard of that one until I saw the story on it. Could someone in simple terms tell me why if cannabis is legal in Canada for medicinal use..then why all of this? Must not be ONLY cannabis maybe?

[blazink]

Uh oh....This is very bad news
I sent an order to HS a week before this went down, I think I might be in trouble.
What happened to Emery's orders that were being processed at the time of his arrest?

[Myth1184]

Its lega in Canada because the liberal party has been in control past 10 years, but recently as you have seen, they have been voted out by the Canadian Voters, but back to subject, ill look into why they have been arrested, it may have something to do with a big smuggling bust coming out of Canada in the us past few days

[latewood]

I never even knew about those sites until I read all of this about them on here. I just think more might be going on than we know...such as outside activities affecting the " work place"? I have been reading the news here but nothing about the net really except a HUGE snowballing investigation into myspace.com...never heard of that one until I saw the story on it. Could someone in simple terms tell me why if cannabis is legal in Canada for medicinal use..then why all of this? Must not be ONLY cannabis maybe?Although Ron stated it was something else...The answer is they are getting popped for shipping seeds across the border...Now I am not saying that is why OG went down...I was just answering 'your' Q...lw

[orangeman]

so, no threat here?

Well if you ask me thats obvious...I mean come on....cannabis.com ??? Thats like the simpliest marijuana site guessing URL ever! If the Police wanted to shut this site down I think that would've happened a long time ago lol....Damn I'm too high to talk straight rofl :stoned:.

[polskatrawa]

that is very sad news
fucking police suck
i never ordered from canada but overgrow was my favorite site for strain guides, grow info and all
iam pissed off

[xNoa]

thats sum fucking shit news mate there was a so much good shit on them boards teaches u absolutely everyway to grow nice weed
and i would be fucking shitting myself rite now if i was a big poster on them boards

[Nochowderforyou]

Very shocking, very. I was once a member there but I left quite some time ago and came here. Sad news indeed. :(

[4fingerlid]

I wonder if Dr Greenthumb may be on their hit list? So far his site is still up and running.

[slipknotpsycho]

i had tried to go there like tuesday to look for something.... =/ i wondered why it wasn't working.

[LovelyTasha]

This is very sad indeed. I doubt this was about the website. However, now they have it.

Which is never good. :(

<3 Tasha

[dopesmoker]

damn that sucks bigtime. Its weird that every major political party in Canada wants to have some form of decriminalization for cannabis yet these things continue to happen.

[mrdevious]

damn that sucks bigtime. Its weird that every major political party in Canada wants to have some form of decriminalization for cannabis yet these things continue to happen.

That's not true, the conservatives, who just won, are very hard-lined against it. they're really out to "stop those dope fiends", so I wonder if this has anything to do with them winning. personally I wish the NDP would win, at least they'd legalize it.

[dopesmoker]

That's not true, the conservatives, who just won, are very hard-lined against it. they're really out to "stop those dope fiends", so I wonder if this has anything to do with them winning. personally I wish the NDP would win, at least they'd legalize it.

what would be amazing is if the government would just admit that there is nothing wrong with cannabis. I hate it when they are too stubborn to admit things like that

[pabloescobar209]

what would be amazing is if the government would just admit that there is nothing wrong with cannabis. I hate it when they are too stubborn to admit things like that
the governemnt is beyond corrupt... i'm tellin you people read "the Introduction to the order of the skull and bones" it will change you're life and explain so much... after reading the book, it will all make sense as to why shit is the way it is...

[dopesmoker]

the governemnt is beyond corrupt... i'm tellin you people read "the Introduction to the order of the skull and bones" it will change you're life and explain so much... after reading the book, it will all make sense as to why shit is the way it is...

how much is this book? and where can i find it?

[kmcmick]

how to get rid of any postings of ourselves and boy, isn't life sometimes ridiculous?

[Redbeard007]

how much is this book? and where can i find it?
You can get it at Amazon.com. Here's the link...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0972020705/qid=1139144140/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2175999-0588828?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

[buthead]

thnx for th heads up n the alert!++...that suks all the asses in the world!!...and then some...i jus got a email from RC on monday morning,thanking me for holiday cheers,said he just got bak in town,later that day,was wen they got raided.that sam night alot of helicopers were circling my house,i steped out side with my glow in the dark mask....to observe spotlight aiming at mes,i just got behind the trees....!!..dont com here fukers..nowthing to see here!...i thik they were finally gone fter a coulpe hrs??...cocksukers....we live out in the woods,and dont ever see anything liki saw that night..chillian....flyhighand staylow...and be safe...word...peace my brothers.../buthead....

[Fabolous]

god damn police these days, they had no right to take down nethier of them sites,
my only consern is if they try to attack this site, becase this is like the next BIG cannabis site there is now. and conserding how they took them all by surpise. that scares me and it should for the people who post here all the time about there growing room and plants.. ect.

[Fabolous]

the governemnt is beyond corrupt... i'm tellin you people read "the Introduction to the order of the skull and bones" it will change you're life and explain so much... after reading the book, it will all make sense as to why shit is the way it is...

yup, i got book beyond books on how fuck up these goverments are right now.

[robert42]

dam i post there,

are we safe at cannabis.com ron????

[newbie1232]

Wow, that sucks, overgrow was a great site.

[buthead]

we need to get organized,and plan a head,to hide our seed banks.how ever we can do it.i planed to grow weed over 20 yrs ago,cuz i cud see this day coming.....and wat ever became of the moderatoras at cw and og?....

[seattle420]

those people who have extensive photo albums have nothing to fear.

unless you were to testify in court that they were your photos and that you took them,
which isn't very likely.

[skunkydelight]

yeah, it's very unlikely they can pin anyone by photos...esp. if you use a fn proxy server like you SHOULD! Be safe people....Be anonymous...Private Messages and Email are things to worry about at those sites....
-sD

[Cannabis.com]

yeah, it's very unlikely they can pin anyone by photos...esp. if you use a fn proxy server like you SHOULD! Be safe people....Be anonymous...Private Messages and Email are things to worry about at those sites....
-sD

Exactly!

While many people get all worried about IPs, they leave the barn door open ... revealing confidential stuff in private 1-on-1 conversation, such as via email, PM, IM, meeting in person, exchanging stuff, etc; not saying email, PM, etc are always bad, but when one interacts personally with others, that's when one needs to be especially careful of what they reveal / do.

Ron

[robert42]

i woulndt panic, if you were a grower i'd probly move the grow. but if u posted a few pics they aint got shit on u.

dont worry

be

happy

[buthead]

if u do a search.just type in overgrow raid and u get alot of sites posted on this and moe info.,overgrow members need a place to meet so we can find outwere everbodys going to hang out....and get organized....anybody made a place like this yet?

[turtle420]

if u do a search.just type in overgrow raid and u get alot of sites posted on this and moe info.,overgrow members need a place to meet so we can find outwere everbodys going to hang out....and get organized....anybody made a place like this yet?

www.hg420.com has a forum specifically for OverGrow refugees.

[Nochowderforyou]

I've always thought a good idea for a cannabis forum/info and stuff, like overgrow, should be named something that doesn't give away that it is illegal info.. Something like, shoelaces.com or something. Something we only know.

And not to hook up with High Times magazine. I LOVE HT, but come on, if you're trying to stay up and running, you don't advertise in one of the worlds largest cannabis magazine.

Peace. :cool:

[Euphoric]

score one for the evil empire...

[buthead]

found a bunch of members at internatioal cannagraphics magazine,luckleaf,passion formaryjane..etc...thnx for heads up turtle 420+ peace dcbh/

[PaRanOiD81]

they should just legalize MJ everywhere, but we have a lot of people in this world that will abuse it and fuck it up for everyone =\ sucks, and sucks to hear about those guys over there, my best wishes.

[Awill3449]

It's really sad, especially because all of those huge posters over there probably won't be able to track eachother down for a while. I've never been to OG, but that really sucks.

[skunkleaf]

Sad to see this happened!! Too bad........:mad:

[Pedro de Pacas]

I pm'd a few times regarding plant food, that's basically it. The email address I used was a Hotmail address under an assumed name, which has long since been cancelled. I did post pics regarding my girlies ... but otherwise I think I'm clean ... time to wipe some pics off my Hard dribve meng! :eek:

[Chaosifide711]

Does anyone know if any Salvia sites are getting popped? Salviasupply.com is located in Canada. Might be a stupid question but im just taking safe precautions.

[420kidder]

I've always thought a good idea for a cannabis forum/info and stuff, like overgrow, should be named something that doesn't give away that it is illegal info.. Something like, shoelaces.com or something. Something we only know.

And not to hook up with High Times magazine. I LOVE HT, but come on, if you're trying to stay up and running, you don't advertise in one of the worlds largest cannabis magazine.

Peace. :cool:
Honestly if it took webmasters doing that there would be none of these sites up at all. Perhaps owning/running one of these sites will bring a closer eye, but I can say that it wasn't brought down because of the name overgrow.

I advertise my 420 site on google, so my ads are seen all over the world literally. Fortunately for me my website is not cause for my government to have me arrested.

But seriously if we were to use names like shoelaces.com, there would be less of us in there, but probably just as many feds. :) What it comes down to is just be careful what kind of information is being exchanged. Can the government of the country the website's server is hosted on find out what you've been doing? Not if you don't leave a paper trail, errr, electricity trail? Don't jump on the first opportunity to give out your address or full name. just be careful, but don't get paranoid like many are. Use your head!!

[TheStonedCube]

Does anyone know if any Salvia sites are getting popped? Salviasupply.com is located in Canada. Might be a stupid question but im just taking safe precautions.

Salvia's not a scheduled drug in Canada or the US, is it? So they wouldn't be illegeal
:upsidedow :thumbsup: :rasta:

[Nochowderforyou]

Salvia's not a scheduled drug in Canada or the US, is it? So they wouldn't be illegeal
:upsidedow :thumbsup: :rasta:

Not yet. Salvia has been on the news a few times here and authorities know about it (here in Alberta). It's only a matter of time before that is illegal, so load up while you can! :cool:

Peace.

[T M]

This is no surprise. I read that "They" busted folks using the patriat act.

[Aprod]

Could anyone tell me where to get Train1's DWC bubbling bucket article? I have chosen that system with the re-circulating drip nozzles and the float valve. I need the article for clarifying a few points. I appriceate any and all help!!!

Aprod

[Tomthehippie]

sadly, it was bound to happen. you would of thought that if they intended to shut the site, it would of been on the news but if they were arrested due to growing no1 would here about it.

[Genuine17]

hnfsghs

[madbomber]

this worlds fking crazy all the money that the goverment throws in2 these busts is just a waste ov money and police time ur all right in ere 4real coz the money could b spent on more things that fking matter like those pedos everywhere on the net. if weed was decrimalized at least then police can concentrate more on the real crimes that go on i printed things off overgrow but that was a hell ov a long time ago but these days sum sites just cnt b trusted this bust with overgrow an every1 else has made me realise that we just need decrimalization imagine hitting the goverments with patition ov millions ov names optin 4 weed 2 be decrimalized lol i wonder if that wrks lol or maybe help i wonder nice 1 ron 4 keeping the site updated on this fked up news peace yallllll

[skunkydelight]

Could anyone tell me where to get Train1's DWC bubbling bucket article? I have chosen that system with the re-circulating drip nozzles and the float valve. I need the article for clarifying a few points. I appriceate any and all help!!!

Aprod

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=50769
here is mine, pretty much same thing you are looking for, may even be a bit more detailed for you....let me know if I can help.
-sD

[seattle420]

I just noticed that ganjaland.com is down for maintenence

[seattle420]

there's a new update to the story over at http://www.cannabisculture.com it seems the story has changed, and overgrow owners were not arrested after all,,
but the site is down, and the owner has dissapeared.

good thing I have already graduated from a begginer grower to a master gardener, and I already have everything I need to do it.

[BloodShot420]

^^ the story changed again... check out planetganja.com for details.

[dogg]

http://planetganja.com/highsociety/showthread.php?t=8459

[falcomega]

would it be possible to get R.B., Gypsy Nirvana and Marc Emery to have an open discussion about this OG situation, to try and clear the air??

Am attempting to float this idea to Marc and Gypsy also BTW

peace

[CocaCola]

Read Brave New World, it will change the way you think... if you don't take it too literally.

[patientcat]

Not overly worried.

From all reports, it appears the operators of Overgrow.com were arrested for some other, yet unknown (likely growing), reasons, and that Overgrow.com was collatoral damage.

Ron
when cops bust you for growing, they take all your shit. they probably just got nabbed for regular stuff, and they confiscated the servers. the big shit might come from what the cops use the massive amounts of info on growers for. :mad: fucking cops

[robert42]

listen listen

its not been confirmed if theyve been raided yet or not.

wait till u know for sure.

[Cannabis.com]

I'm taking this thread off the annoucements and off "sticky" shortly unless there's a major developement that can truly be substantiated...

As of now, no one seems to know what is going on ...

But what is known for certain is that some people, in particular some breeders, purposedly revealed their real names, street addresses, etc so as to send payments via checks / bank transfers to Richard; his identity / location, ironically, remains as elusive as ever, even to those with close ties with him.

In a nutshell, most of those at risk are now aware of the situation and have had plenty of time to take the appropriate measures ... for everyone else, this story is basically a nonstory and thus will be taken off "sticky" shortly unless there is a major development that can be substantiated.

Ron

[gotkube]

Sorry this has been said already, but if this happened February 3rd, a mere 3 days before the Conservatives took power, doesn't that seem a little, um, odd?

[D.Boone]

damn thats fucked up stupid government idiots when will they learn

[THE INDIVIDUALS]

More bad news! :glugglug:

[Mindzeyecreationz]

here is the latest news in case anyone hasn't seen this yet--this is a quote from another board posted yesterday at 4 something pm:

quoting:About 48 hours ago I broke my 26 month long self-imposed exile from the internet to post the results of my converstations with RC. Nobody else seemed to the the will or ability to track down and talk to him, and my concerns for the industry and the people I love who participate in it out weighed the enjoyment of my recent relative obscurity. I was sure any calls were going to be monitored, but hey - it's not like my name has never been associated with cannabis seeds, eh. So I called RC. Twice.

The first call was to get his story of what happened to him, and the servers for Overgrow and Cannabis World, and to offer support, financial and otherwise. I had been in contact with a few friends and business acquaintances, and had passed the virtual hat around - to the tune of well over US$50,000 pledged to assist RC, with no strings attached. RC said he would have to talk to his lawyers first for instructions on handling such a large donation. OK, fine. RC has all my contact numbers (always had, btw) and I expected a call the next day with instructions from his lawyers.

After my first call to him, I noted that Marc Emery from Cannabis Culture had a front page story saying RC had split the country, etcetera. Fuck. So, after some introspection, I decided to take the plunge - I was returning to my long lost home, the internet. RC had told me he would be releasing a statement, drawn up with the assistance of his lawyers, within 24 hours. Now, I had taken RC at his word as to what had happened, and I thought his clients, suppliers and members of his sites should have at least an idea of what happened, so I called him back, and said so. He agreed I could post what I put in my first post on the internet in 26 months.

Some things RC said to me didn't sit well with me. I did wake the guy up, but still... my instincts were making my hackles rise. As time passed, I kept thinking - who the fuck doesn't leap on a US$50,000 gift? My instincts said I wouldn't hear from his lawyers about it. I was correct.

Now, I have known RC's real name - and much more information about him, from back in the day when I made a deal with ~Shabang~ to buy out his 1/2 of Overgrow. I started doing the phone call thing to newspapers, the Quebec Provincial Police, RCMP public affairs office, blah, blah, blah. No record of an arrest. No record of bail or release. No records for RC, period. I had a couple of phone calls with ~Shabang~ as well, as he is one of the few people in the world I felt comfortable brain-storming with some of the information I was working with. I trust ~S with my life.

I called everyone I knew - and I know a fuckload of folks - to try and pry out some facts. I got a ton of calls, PM's and emails, and the picture they were painting wasn't jiving with some 'facts' that RC gave me. In fact, the fucker lied to me - to you - to the industry.

Just after midnight last night, I got a call from Marc Emery. Some of you may have heard of him. If you want to Marc bash, stay the fuck outta this thread. I've been in this industry for quite some time, and I don't believe in tearing down anyone who has the guts and determination for a cause that he does. If you don't like doing business with him, then don't. I have managed to negotiate this industry for years without hurting and name calling of people who are, in my eyes, on the same side. (Just ask Dr. Chronic - shortly after his site launched on OG - and when Gypsy was, as usual acting like an asshole and treating the Doc like shit on the boards, his site went down - hardware failure. That day was the first time I talked to the Doc - I called him and offered to host his site until his hardware was repaired. He declined, but that was the basis of a solid business relationship with him, one of my competitors. I have since met the Doc, and he is one of those truly rare finds - an honest to goodness decent and nice man. I would like to think I can call Dr. Chronic my friend, and I won't put up with any Doc bashing here either End of rant)

Emery and I chatted for over 1/2 an hour. At the outset, I was clear that I couldn't give him any information, but we could discuss what we both had knowledge of. I can tell you now that Emery had RC's real name for quite some time, and had been checking high and low, much like I had been, and had found no trace. Emery gave me a who's who list of people who know RC - in some cases for decades - and who RC had shunned any form of contact with since this all started. He quite graciously offered me all they had found out, and didn't pressure me for information in return. His concern for anyone affected by the fallout from this is genuine. The industry is in an uproar, and I hadn't seen anyone else with people working the phones trying to unearth the truth. By approximately 12:53 AM (GMT) Mr. Marc Scott Emery had earned my respect. We ended our chat, but now I still had more questions.

Rumours, speculation and innuendo filled the forums everywhere, and my instincts were screaming by now. Several details RC had given me were blatantly false, but not a smoking gun. Not yet.

And then, this morning at 10:30 AM (GMT) my phone rang. It was an old acquaintance of mine - and he had brought me a smoking gun. He had done business with RC, and RC paid him by check. The check was made out to a business that has nothing to do with cannabis or cannabis seeds. It was the only time that business had ever negotiated a payment from anyone in the industry. And he had just been raided, with the warrant looking for cannabis, cannabis seeds, and financial records. Fortunately, the raid was, well - a bust. Nothing was found, cops were red-faced, and my friend was fine. And pissed off. There is only one person who could have pointed the police to his business. Mr. Richard Baghdadlian, known to you as RC.

I don't doubt that RC was raided, and I don't doubt that his home and business were searched. In fact, I have confirmation they were. He was not arrested. He was at home when I called him, and has since shut off all contact with anyone. I called his lawyers (that little deal a few years ago with ~S, me, RC and OG had left me with all kinda interesting contacts) and they informed me they were not able to contact RC.

So, I'm gonna say it - and lemme tell you, this ain't easy, but now it's time to face some hard facts.

Richard Baghdadlian is co-operating with the authorities to save his own ass, at the expense of breeders, clients, and tens of thousands of members on his sites.

Anyone who had any financial transactions with RC in any way is at risk.

Anyone who posted on OG or CW is at risk. Those forums are gone, and will never be back - the security of every member has been comprimised.

I don't believe IP's were not logged on OG and CW. ~Shabang~ and I discussed this, and how ~S had originally set up the null logs, and db records. Since then, however, RC had instituted many 'anti-troll' features on the boards. Lemme 'splain...

Ask any troll here - if they posted from, say Proxy A one day, and then 3 days later from Proxy B, using the same handle, and admin got tired of them. So, they IP ban Proxy B, while the troll is still signed in. That's how RC would like you to believe it was done. However, if they then tried using a different handle, and Proxy A - well, damned if that one wasn't blocked as well. I can guarantee you that RC had gone back to some default settings to log IP's for everyone, all the time. There is no doubt.

RC is a rat.

OG and CW logged IP's.

The servers weren't seized - they didn't need to seize them - RC has given them complete access to the database records.

People are getting busted based on contact with RC.

I have given oldpink the heads-up a couple of hours ago that I was going to write this up and post it here. Kindly don't tear him up - he is working hard with little information, and is doing the best he can.

As many OG and CW refugees are also hanging at www.hg420.com, I've just got off the phone with Doc Chronic as well, so word of this will get out. (That's important, as that snivelling cunt-rag Gypsy likes to delete any quotes from me over at ICMag. Fuck off Gypsy, and stay outta my thread.)

If I have more information to offer later, I'll post it up in this thread.

If you have some information to give me, email is [email protected], or give me a call - from a safe phone, of course, at 07766 871 905 in the UK, 0044 7766 871 905 in Europe, and from N. America use 01144 7766 871 905.

Take care everyone, I hope you're all safe.

Love,

Plural of Mongoose

PS - if yer gonna quote this post over at other sites, kindly quote the entire post, thank you very much. Mongoose

PPS - Fuck you Richard Baghdadlian - FUCK YOU... Fuck you... fuck you...
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