Using baby piss

[Mrs.WeedChick]

I have a 15 month old son and my husband needs to take a piss test next thurs. I am wondering if I can get some of the babies pee in a bottle will he be able to use it? or what other methods for passing do you suggest? He doesn't trust the bottles of fruit flavored stuff from the head shop. I don't think we have enough time to order anything over the internet.

[Need2knowNOW]

Piss is piss....whether it be a baby, adult, man, or woman. Just make sure that your baby is not on any medications as this can lead to false positives or raise suspicion. You're probably better off subbing someone elses clean piss because it'll be kinda hard waiting for your baby to use the bathroom, at least with an adult you know when they have to go and you know they wont make a mess. Just make sure to practice subbing with regular tap water several times to check if the temp will stay accurare, if you substitute is below temp. you will almost always fail or raise serious suspicion. Make sure its between 92-100 degrees when you submit the sample.

[seattle420]

buy some real piss, your baby's piss probably shows traces of thc if you have smoked in the same room as it.
so if it's important to pass the test, get some real piss from a non weedsmoker

that may be hard to find though!
some companys sell it on the net.

[Lucifuge]

it wont work, pee has to be around 92 degrees and cups have little thermometers on the side of them.

[Up In Smoke 420]

buy some real piss, your baby's piss probably shows traces of thc if you have smoked in the same room as it.
so if it's important to pass the test, get some real piss from a non weedsmoker

that may be hard to find though!
some companys sell it on the net.
Not true because there is a cut off point for thc and with such a little ammount the test would just come back negative.

[Mrs.WeedChick]

We would never smoke infront of or around our child. We go down to the basement with a quadra-air purifier running. After he's gone to sleep on the second floor. We only smoke a bowl a night to keep our tolerance low. Thank you for those that gave advise but we decided to take our chances by just not smoking for the 7 days and taking niacin a few times. I read working out is good too so I made him "work out daily" if ya catch my drift!

[seattle420]

Guess what! A LITTLE WEED SMOKE WONT HURT YOUR DAMN BABY!

I assume you must be back at your stressfull job, doing hard work and your titis have all dryed up so you give your bably formula instead of breast milk. (Like we are supposed to do)

Many people smoke in the same room as their babies, and there babies turn out fine.

some people have NO ROOMS! or they live in their car.

every parent that I know that hid their use and love of marijuana, HAS A FUCKED UP KIID! they are the ones on drugs or stealing cars or in jail.

EVERY parent I know who was honest and upfront about their love of the marijuana plant has GREAT KIDS!

GO FIGURE!

[seattle420]

Tell me what is the magic number? what is the magical CUT OFF point for traces of THC?

You said there is such a "cut off point" but you don't say what it is exactly.

I DONT TRUST MEDICAL DOCTORS!
they are the most unproffessional and unethical people I know!
(and I know a lot of them, and they are just drug dealers.)

Look here is an article that proves that they are full of shit!

http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/530797.html


Most Doctors Mishandling Teen Drug Tests
Majority don't follow procedures that ensure accuracy, study finds



TUESDAY, Feb. 7 (HealthDay News) -- Urine tests aimed at detecting teen drug abuse are more widely used than ever before, but a new study suggests most doctors don't have enough training to ensure test results are correct and unadulterated.

According to experts, a properly collected urine sample includes: making sure those being tested provide identification; having patients empty their pockets and use the bathroom without running water; checking the sample immediately for proper temperature; and placing blue dye in any standing water. Also, a staff member should directly observe the patient as they provide the sample, or at least be present inside the bathroom.



But when researchers at Harvard Medical School and Children's Hospital in Boston surveyed of 360 primary-care doctors, they found that most reported failed to use these techniques when collecting urine samples from kids aged 12 to 18. Many were also unaware of the tests' limitations.

"This study shows that although most primary-care physicians order urine drug tests, most do not use recommended procedures for urine test collection, validation and confirmation and lack the knowledge needed to correctly interpret positive and negative results," the study authors wrote in the February issue of the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine.

The study found that only 23 percent of doctors used an effective method of collecting urine samples and only 10 percent knew that nitrous oxide, ecstasy and oxycodone could not be detected in standard urine tests. Sixty-one percent of the doctors gave the incorrect answer or said "don't know" when asked if secondhand exposure to marijuana smoke would bring about a positive result on a urine drug test.

"Physicians and parents may be falsely reassured that their child is not using a particular drug when the child never underwent proper testing for it," the Boson team conclude. On the other hand, "misinterpretation of a false-positive finding can put adolescents at risk for false accusation of substance use and diminished trust from parents, school personnel and counselors."

More information

The U.S. National Library of Medicine has more about urine drug screening (www.nlm.nih.gov ).

[BloodyRedBarron]

50 ng/ml cutoff limit for THC :smokin:

[Lucifuge]

should be about .02%

[DataMatrix]

seattle420, you don't know anything do you?

Even the smallest amount of smoke is enough to damage a baby. The smoke that the babies will inhale has dangerous tars and carcinogens. What your saying is like "well taking the baby to a smokey pub once every week won't cause too much damage."


Many people smoke in the same room as their babies, and there babies turn out fine.

Maybe they do, but some of the damage is skin deep and will shorten their babies lives.

[seattle420]

I know that my son turned out fine, he just turned 21 and he doesn't drink or smoke, he's been around my marijuana use and gardens for his entire life.
he did great in school and now has a really good job.

everyone that I know who is truthfull to their kids about marijuana has a good bright kid like me.

the folks who I know that hide their marijuana use have kids that are out getting busted or worse!

[DataMatrix]

Yeah but you've shortened his life.

[Burnt Toast]

seattle420, you don't know anything do you?

Even the smallest amount of smoke is enough to damage a baby. The smoke that the babies will inhale has dangerous tars and carcinogens. What your saying is like "well taking the baby to a smokey pub once every week won't cause too much damage."



Maybe they do, but some of the damage is skin deep and will shorten their babies lives.
Apparently you missed the part about how there is no evidence that shows cannabis is bad for a developing fetus or developing baby. Please do some research before you make such claims...here, I'll save you the time:



Originally Posted by Pediatrics, February 1994, Volume 93, Number 2, pp. 254-260.
Participants. Twenty-four Jamaican neonates exposed to marijuana prenatally and 20 nonexposed neonates.

Measurements and main results. Exposed and nonexposed neonates were compared at 3 days and 1 month old, using the Brazelton Neonatal Assessment Scale, including supplementary items to capture possible subtle effects. There were no significant differences between exposed and nonexposed neonates on day 3. At 1 month, the exposed neonates showed better physiological stability and required less examiner facilitation to reach organized states. The neonates of heavy-marijuana-using mothers had better scores on autonomic stability, quality of alertness, irritability, and self-regulation and were judged to be more rewarding for caregivers.

Conclusions. The absence of any differences between the exposed on nonexposed groups in the early neonatal period suggest that the better scores of exposed neonates at 1 month are traceable to the cultural positioning and social and economic characteristics of mothers using marijuana that select for the use of marijuana but also promote neonatal development. Pediatrics 1994;93:254-260; prenatal marijuana exposure, neonatal outcomes, Jamaica, Brazelton scale supplementary items.

Here's some more for ya:


A second study reported a threefold grater risk of rhabdomyosarcoma. These calculations were based on women's reports that they used marijuana at some point during pregnancy. In the first study, ten out of the 204 case-group mothers (5 percent) reported marijuana use, compared to one out of the 204 control group mothers (0.5 percent). In the second study, 8 percent of case group mothers reported using marijuana, compared to 4.3 percent of controls.

These studies to not prove that marijuana use by pregnant women causes cancer in their children. They report a statistical association based solely on women's self-reports of marijuana use. It is likely that both groups of mothers underreported marijuana use; in other studies, researchers have found that marijuana use by pregnant women typically ranges from 10 to 30 percent. There is reason to suspect greater underreporting by control-group mothers, who were randomly selected and questioned about their marijuana use on the telephone. Because the mothers of the sick children were trying to help researchers identify the cause of their children's disease, they had more reason to be honest about their illegal drug use.

And some more...


In one study, children of ganja-using mothers were tested and compared with children of non-ganja using mothers. Tests were conducted when the children were 1, 3, and 30 days old, and at ages four and five.

No statistically significant differences in developmental abilities were found, except that the 30-day test showed that children of ganja-using mothers were superior to children of non-ganja mothers in two ways. These children had better organization and modulation of sleeping and waking, and they were less prone to stress-related anxiety.

The release of these study results was considered politically incorrect by anti-marijuana factions in government and academia, because they so directly contradicted the oft-repeated assertion that prenatal marijuana use hurts children and that marijuana users were poor mothers. Dreher's studies found the opposite: ganja mothers were often better mothers than their non-ganja using counterparts. Their households were often cleaner, better-funded and more fun than those where cannabis was shunned!

Eh, some more...



Ganja is also used as a strength-enhancing potion to enable children to perform arduous tasks. The use of ganja to increase work performance is a common theme in Jamaican ganja culture; men use it to help them survive in the torrid sugar cane fields, women use it to give them strength to do lots of tiring household chores by hand.

Ganja mothers also believe that ganja helps their children perform better in school. Ganja does this by increasing children's ability to concentrate on schoolwork, to pay attention to what the teacher is saying, not to be distracted by school mates or the activities of other classes, to sit quietly in class, to complete homework even when tired, and to handle the stress of examinations. Jamaican women refer to ganja as "Wisdom Weed," and as the king of bush teas which had sometimes saved lives when doctors were unavailable.

Ganja women have two primary methods for preparing ganja infusions consumed by children. Ganja tea is made by boiling or steeping leaves and stems, then adding large quantities of sugar and, sometimes, milk. Flavor-rich ingredients such as anise or mint are sometimes added to teas to disguise their taste; family members are sometimes unaware that they are consuming ganja tea. This also lends more credibility to Dreher's findings because it eliminates the placebo effect which can occur when people have been told that they have ingested a drug.

[...]

"I don't want to belittle the problems or concerns of North American parents who worry about drug use among children," Dreher continued, "but it's very possible that marijuana is being blamed for problems it has nothing to do with such as poor nutrition, societal decay, lackluster schools, and incompetent parenting. We need to be very careful not to ignore the social setting and ideology that surrounds substance use in different societies when we attempt to evaluate how a drug affects people or society. My Jamaican studies indicate that, in the case of marijuana, we might want to re-examine our assumptions and myths, especially when they contradict reality."

...and...



A new study of children born to Marijuana-smoking mothers found no link between Marijuana exposure and the birth defects of fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS). The new study, by Dr. Susan J. Astley of the University of Washington, published in the January, 1992 issue of Pediatrics, contradicted a 1982 study by Dr. Ralph Hingson, in which prenatal exposure to Marijuana was found to increase the risk of FAS.

...and...



Marijuana has little evidence implicating it in fetal harm, unlike alcohol, cocaine or tobacco. Epidemiological studies have found no evident link between prenatal use of Marijuana and birth defects in humans. A recent study by Dr. Susan Astley at the University of Washington refuted an earlier work suggesting that cannabis might cause fetal alcohol syndrome.

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A well-controlled study found that cannabis use had a positive impact on birthweight during the third trimester of pregnancy with no adverse behavioral consequences. Another study of Jamaican women who had smoked pot throughout pregnancy found that their babies registered higher on developmental scores at the age of 30 days, while experiencing no significant effects on birthweight or length.

...and...



While cannabis use is not recommended in pregnancy, it may be of medical value to some women in treating morning sickness or easing childbirth.

...and...



Cognitive and receptive language development were examined in 135 60-month-old and 137 72-month-old children for whom prenatal exposure to Marijuana, cigarettes, and alcohol had been ascertained. Discriminant Function analysis revealed an association between prenatal cigarette exposure and lower cognitive and receptive language scores at 60 and 72 months. This paralleled and extended observations made with this sample at annual assessments at 12 to 48 months of age. Unlike observations made at 48 months, prenatal exposure to Marijuana was not associated with the cognitive and verbal outcomes.

...and...


Children whose mothers smoked during pregnancy had somewhat higher adjusted Raven and PPVT scores than children of nonsmokers, although they did not differ in their activity level.â?� In other words, children whose mothers smoked during pregnancy did somewhat better on standard cognitive development tests than children of nonsmokers.

Also check out CLAIM #7 on the "EXPOSING MARIJUANA MYTHS" page about how cannabis DOES NOT harm the fetus during pregnancy: http://www.marijuana.com/Exposing_07_1095.html

For the record, I don't think cannabis is bad for children, mothers who are pregnant, or developing babies. Why would something nontoxic that is not harmful to adults all of a sudden be harmful for children? You are falling into the trap of the prohibitionists who cry "IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!"

Education. Such a great thing.
:D

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[DataMatrix]

Apparently you missed the part about how there is no evidence that shows cannabis is bad for a developing fetus or developing baby. Please do some research before you make such claims...here, I'll save you the time:



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Also check out CLAIM #7 on the "EXPOSING MARIJUANA MYTHS" page about how cannabis DOES NOT harm the fetus during pregnancy: http://www.marijuana.com/Exposing_07_1095.html

For the record, I don't think cannabis is bad for children, mothers who are pregnant, or developing babies. Why would something nontoxic that is not harmful to adults all of a sudden be harmful for children? You are falling into the trap of the prohibitionists who cry "IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!"

Education. Such a great thing.
:D

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No, I'm taking about the SMOKE, not cannabis itself, thankyouverymuch.

What you're saying is that carbon monoxide is not toxic to the lungs? Especially a baby who is developing.

I suggest you read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide


Carbon monoxide, chemical formula CO, is a colorless, odorless, tasteless, flammable and highly toxic gas.

[DataMatrix]

Oh and next time, save yourself the time of making a new post by reading my posts properly, not ONCE did I state that cannabis harms a baby. If you read all my posts again you will see that I stated carcinogens and tar do the damage.

[Burnt Toast]

Oh I've read all of your drivel. And properly, instead of the way YOU want it to be read. You are clearly indicating that cannabis smoke is harmful to children, as demonstrated in the following quote (yes the discussion at hand is CANNABIS SMOKE; so stop your backpeddling. Its not going to get you far) :


Even the smallest amount of smoke is enough to damage a baby. The smoke that the babies will inhale has dangerous tars and carcinogens.
Unfortuneately we all have to breathe in the Air.

But do some research on that "carcinogen" thing and "marijuana". A simple LD50 would suffice -- are you in for a suprise?
In fact, just research the LD50 for Marijuana and see what comes up. Yes you are in for a bunch of surprises.

And all you have is Wikipedia to show for? I would rather place credence on solid substantiated scientific info (such as the articles Ive C&P'd above) instead of some online encyclopedia that any Tom, Dick, or Harry can modify or edit at will. :rolleyes:

And if pot smoke affected babies and children in such a negative manner that youve claim it does, then how come the human race did not stop after the Baby Boom/Hippie Generation of the 1960s? The hippies smoked lots of pot and made lots of free love. And do you know the end result of all that free love? Babies. Lots of Babies. Yup the whole Generation X and even the Generation Y group of later years. Can you explain their presence? :rolleyes:

Do yourself a big favor: Find a cure for your minionic blindness and look past the propoganda that you were taught in DARE, that "Marijuana is Reefer Madness".
In short, Learn the facts. You can thank me later for the suggestion.

[trippruss]

michigans' cutoff for probation is 25ng/ml

[scream]

i got tired of reading all the arguing and decided that you might want a good answer. it might work on some crappy piss tests but if they send it in to a lab the lab will most likely test for general age. i dont know how but they do it