In about a year we'll be using hydrogen cars.

[infidel818]

Thats my prediction.

[officerleeroy]

all i know is they better not make me have to put all this smog shit on my car

[infidel818]

we r gonna cut the oil usage so we dont have to lick the balls of the middle eastern countries.

[dopesmoker]

ummm hydrogen is super explosive

[BaseRSX]

Not possible.

Plus Hydrogen is not a solution yet. 95% of the worldâ??s hydrogen is produced from natural gas, which is of course just another fossil fuel. So until the very complicated and costly methods of producing hydrogen from things like solar power is achieved, hydrogen fuel cell cars will solve none of our problems.

[BaseRSX]

I dunno man, they haven't exactly got a cheap hydrogen car yet and it would be expensive to put into your car.
Electric vehicles are getting much more popular, but even they haven't really taken off and they've been around for years!

Electric cars also will not solve any problems because the majority of electricity in the world is produced by burning coal. Again this is just a trade off from one fossil fuel to another. Until we have an infrastructure than can produce hydrogen and/or electricity from non fossil fuel sources like solar or wind it will do nothing to improve the situation. And the creation of large scale methods to make hydogen and electrisity from solar or wind are 20 years and billions and billions of dollars away.

Bio-diesel is the only short term option and seems to be the one no one talks about. I donâ??t know why.

[420ultimatesmokage]

that is so true about the bio-diesel. seems to be very over looked even though it reduces pollution. except for nitrogen oxides.

[infidel818]

Considering that the growth of technology is exponential, i think in a year we will see it. In 5 years we will be testing the ability to travel into other dimensions in order to get to mars in 3 days. http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=16902006

Since the growth of technology is exponential....in about 40 years it will only take 1 year to get into a new generation.

[BaseRSX]

that is so true about the bio-diesel. seems to be very over looked even though it reduces pollution. except for nitrogen oxides.

More importantly it is the ONLY non-fossil fuel power source any country in the world can readily tap without the creation of a major new infrastructure!

[PaRanOiD81]

well I guess that is why it will not be around here for a few years :D too many problems that could arrise so whatever, keep paying 2.50 per gallon for gas

[WakingDream]

Electric cars also will not solve any problems because the majority of electricity in the world is produced by burning coal. Again this is just a trade off from one fossil fuel to another. Until we have an infrastructure than can produce hydrogen and/or electricity from non fossil fuel sources like solar or wind it will do nothing to improve the situation. And the creation of large scale methods to make hydogen and electrisity from solar or wind are 20 years and billions and billions of dollars away.

Bio-diesel is the only short term option and seems to be the one no one talks about. I donâ??t know why.


BaseRSX is on the right track.

50 percent of the united state's power is produced from coal.

Hydrogen is a source of stored energy, it takes an external source of energy to produce the hydrogen for use. The new hydrogen programs that Ford and all those other companies on tv are powered by petroleum.

We are living a lifestyle that is unsustainable, we have severly overshot the sustainable human population on the planet. We are causing more species to go extinct in the past two centuries, the last big die off was when earth was hit by a meteor, the only difference is that this die off took millions of years to happen.

We are depleting soil at a rate of 60 times quicker then it is regenerated, the increase of depletion is exponential. With no fertile ground to grow grains our whole food structure will collapse.

Our current lifestyle is unsustainable and the end is near.

Not near enough.

I Am HIGH!!

[BaseRSX]

I think itâ??s so funny how all the news stories and speeches about hydrogen, they always say something like â??hydrogen, the most common element in the universeâ?¦.â?�. LOL Like what the hell does that mean? Hydrogen doesnâ??t just fall out of the air and into a fuel cell!! It may be the most common element but neither the USA nor any other country currently has a way to mass produce it without using another power source; natural gas, and/or coal. Therefore hydrogen fuel cell cars do nothing to help the problem.

[Rarrr]

Yes, our technological advancements are increasing at a great rate but not as great as a lot of people assume.

[mrdevious]

Electric cars also will not solve any problems because the majority of electricity in the world is produced by burning coal. Again this is just a trade off from one fossil fuel to another.



So you're saying that electric cars burn off coal? lol

the japanese have just invented an amazingly fast and long-lasting electric car that uses a lithium-ion battery, but unfortunately it currently costs $200,000 just for that battery. nobody's shoveling coal into the engine:p

[infidel818]

exponential means its going faster as it goes....thats scary

[pabloescobar209]

ummm hydrogen is super explosive
the cars will run on tanks that are no larger than a co2 canister for a paintball gun... about the same risk as a full tank of gas.

[BaseRSX]

So you're saying that electric cars burn off coal? lol

the japanese have just invented an amazingly fast and long-lasting electric car that uses a lithium-ion battery, but unfortunately it currently costs $200,000 just for that battery. nobody's shoveling coal into the engine:p

That battery has to be charged, and the power that charged it comes from coal for the most part. I think Japan's power is about 90% coal, and 10 nuclear, etc. What do you think a battery is? Itâ??s just a container for power and you can not get more power out than you put in. It does not matter if the battery is so large that it does not need to be recharged for 10 years, it still took 10 years worth of coal generated electricity to charge that battery in the first place!!

[WakingDream]

The fact that there are about 7 billion people on this planet is scarry. I suspect that the planet has enough energy to keep us going until we reach about 9 billion. The fact is that the world can only sustain a population of about a billion people. Point is, when we run out of reasonably priced energy, population will peak and die off to a sustainable level.

[pabloescobar209]

Electric cars also will not solve any problems because the majority of electricity in the world is produced by burning coal. Again this is just a trade off from one fossil fuel to another. Until we have an infrastructure than can produce hydrogen and/or electricity from non fossil fuel sources like solar or wind it will do nothing to improve the situation. And the creation of large scale methods to make hydogen and electrisity from solar or wind are 20 years and billions and billions of dollars away.

Bio-diesel is the only short term option and seems to be the one no one talks about. I donâ??t know why.
actually only about half of the electricity is generated by burning coal... but that number is still to high

[BaseRSX]

actually only about half of the electricity is generated by burning coal... but that number is still to high

Yeah you are right, coal is about 56%, but 70% is still fossil fuel. Here is a study on all of that -

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/page/prim2/chapter3.html

[bedake]

actually i read like a 4 page article on CNN yesterday about how hydrogen is deffinetly NOT going to be it, its gonna be ehtanol, brazil is ahead of us, nearly all cars in brazil can run an ethanol, and 30% of fuel used there is also ethanol. they have totally cut out the need to import fuel.

If you think about it, we could do the same, have no need to import fuel that is. USA, but yea everyone could do it too, ethanol is 80% cleaner than gasoline, with no global warming promoting chemicals. I forget the rest of the statistics but yea... it is deffinetly going to be ethanol and not hydrogen. you will see

[infidel818]

That battery has to be charged, and the power that charged it comes from coal for the most part. I think Japan's power is about 90% coal, and 10 nuclear, etc. What do you think a battery is? Itâ??s just a container for power and you can not get more power out than you put in. It does not matter if the battery is so large that it does not need to be recharged for 10 years, it still took 10 years worth of coal generated electricity to charge that battery in the first place!!

Batteries are not charged with coal.....batteries do not contain power either....batteries contain chemicals and they do not create energy unless there is an electrical current running through it.

By the way guys....about the hydrogen....THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, Bush just talked about going further into researching hydrogen as a alternative fuel. I just watced the state of the union...thats what is happening.

[bedake]

So you're saying that electric cars burn off coal? lol

the japanese have just invented an amazingly fast and long-lasting electric car that uses a lithium-ion battery, but unfortunately it currently costs $200,000 just for that battery. nobody's shoveling coal into the engine:p



ahhhh, and i read an article about a guy that modded his toyota prius with ion lithium batteries, same kind from laptops, basically it was a 2000$ upgrade but gets like a 100 miles to the gallon, My mom drives a prius, very cool cars

[BaseRSX]

Batteries are not charged with coal.....batteries do not contain power either....batteries contain chemicals and they do not create energy unless there is an electrical current running through it.

By the way guys....about the hydrogen....THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, Bush just talked about going further into researching hydrogen as a alternative fuel. I just watced the state of the union...thats what is happening.

So how do those chemical batteries get charged?? No the chemicals themselves DO NOT created the power, the just hold it. Like I said. And AC from your wall is 70% fossil fuel like the report I just linked shows.


And Bush failed to explain where the hydrogen is going to come from. He failed to say the almost all the hydrogen the USA produces is made from other fossil fuels. Did you not read all the posts here?

[infidel818]

its the chemical reaction that takes place when there is a current applied to it.

[420ultimatesmokage]

lol you are arguing about the battery

[infidel818]

yea im just gonna blaze outa my battery operated bong.

[BaseRSX]

lol you are arguing about the battery

A battery is just a container for power, like I said. I donâ??t care if itâ??s full of Cinnamon Toast Crunch!! Itâ??s still just a container for power.

[420ultimatesmokage]

no man im with you, its pointless to argue about the battery because the energy has to come from 70% fossil fuels. plus the fact that hydrogen we get comes from fossel fuels doesn't solve anything.

[litespeed]

They had it ON the war planes of the 1942=3=44
just WATER North American Ava. had it, I know the man that did it, he got a $25.00 dollar war bond. for it and that is all...

[jsmoke420]

you gotta go beyond the battery as an example. I mean think about it, that battery, was made in a factory, powered by the power plants that kill our environment.

I was reading about the N machine thing, that's pretty cool, i would like to see one work.

And no, hydrogen is not the answer, again, it takes coal power to produce it...

The idea behind the N machine goes beyond typical physics... it's producing more energy than is put into it to make it run...

As for right now, do what you can, use less water, turn the lights off, and recycle! And buy a hybrid if you want, at least your doing what you can with the technologies offered.

[opiuser]

ive got a better idea.

next time you go to get a car, get a truck with a deisel engine...

all deisel powered engines can use hempseed oil for fuel, with no alterations to any of its parts. (the first deisel engine ran on hempseed oil, and all the rest are built the same way)

then, get a license to grow hemp for industrial uses, extract your oil, and then you got free gas. and you have a way to make money...

[pabloescobar209]

its the chemical reaction that takes place when there is a current applied to it.
are you dumb are just retarted... the battery has to be charged by electricity... and 56% of the electricity made is by burning coal... this theory is also known as you're a moron:thumbsup:

[Starchild]

I have a friend that makes bio diesel for her car..

[BaseRSX]

There is no real alternative option available unless someone can create cold fusion.
we're doomed i tells ya!:p

Again, you are over looking bio-diesel.

[Capt. Carl]

We need to run a car off of piss, i mean think about it...A dick is just like a gas pump!

[Ganjasaurusrex]

I like the idea of the bullet trains in Japan.

The theory behind it.

It makes logical sense that if you can magnetically levitate an object it requires much less energy to propel it forward.

A magnetically levitated 5000 lb. mass, levitated 1/4 inch, can easily be pushed forward with your hands with little effort.

Many energy forms can be converted to magnetic energy or using super-conductive theories to levitate.

The problem is finding what energy source to use as this conversion and ways to adapt it to our current infrastucture and solving the problems of independence of the personal vehicle. It is no doubt a hard problem to solve.

Many things need to be re-thought simultaneously.

General motors, Ford, etc. should have been investing heavily in this technology 20 years ago through research and design instead of waiting till the problems are becoming urgent and wars need to be faught to maintain these fuel sources. This is why Ford has recently began closing many of its plants. People arent buying these gas guzzlers.


With a global population that is growing very fast and putting demands on the finite amount of natural petroleum in the ground it is easy to see that there is no choice. There is only a set amount of raw petroleum in the ground.

Currently the most easily accessable oil in the gulf of mexico is one mile beneath the ocean floor.

Many people dont realize that things like, paint, carpet, fabrics, plastics and many, many more things are also petroleum based as well.

Solving the problem of the independent home is very easy in sunny climates like, New mexico, Arizona, California, Texas, Nevada, Florida. Provided it is a new home and not a retrofitted one.

I have seen communities in the mountains of Northern New Mexico where individual homes are heated and cooled naturally by thermal storage and release technology, positioniong to the azimuth of the sun, Landscaping with foliage trees that loose their leaves in the winter to allow sun into the home and block it in the summer.

In other words the house is built around the patterns of the sun, the energy of the sun passes through huge panes of glass where it collects on a thermal mass in the home, (1000s of cinderblocks carefully positioned for air movement and direction of flow, then coated in adobe and incorporated into the overall design of the home so it is appealing to look at.

In these cases the mass is called a "trombe" wall. It is designed to collect this heat in the day and release at night though computer controlled vents.

The heated water is derived from the trombe wall as well with piping imbeded in the trombe wall mass. This is also controlled and monitored by the home's computer. So the sun is providing the energy and the computer is directing the energy,(vents, water temp, valves,automatic blinds, etc)

The bedrooms are positioned on the second level of the home as well as the water heater, (hot/warm air rises, hot/warm water rises, cold air / cold water falls). So the idea is this is a natural self propelled means of heating air and water through a convection loop system.

This is the main theory of the double envelope design, a house within a house. I am only giving a brief explanation of how it works.

In emergency situations, or low electricity storage situations the computer will throw a transfer switch and turn on a generator. However one man said his generator hasnt come on in 3 years and this is an area that gets below freezing in several months in the winter.

Double envelope convection design and thermal mass storage is an excellent idea to both heat and cool a home.

All electricity is derived from solar and stored. The majority of the lighting is 12volt and some portions are converted to 120/240. I was impressed by the 12 volt lighting as the designs in fixtures are evolving to incorporate recessed lighting for design of the home. It used to be 12 volt lighting fixtures were ugly to look at. But now they are evolving in design to mimic what you would find in a modern home.

All solar panels are mounted on platforms that track the sun using gas-type shock devices, (they track the sun and position the panels for optimum gain using no electricity whatsoever). When the sun goes down they automatically reset to the face the east for the next morning. Very effiecient.

Water is collected naturally by rain collectors on the roof, or in some cases higher on the hillside and channeled by graivity into sisterns and processed, gravity then feeds pressure to faucets from the secondary storage tank. Dirty water comes out perfectly clean. The water pressure is gravity driven. I couldnt tell the difference.

These homes are 100% self sufficient. Some changes in lifestyle are required though. But these people pay zero for utilities.

I was very impressed by these homes.

[Flesh420]

Lol u guys actually belive that we will have hydrogen cars in the next 5 years? Come on dude if they did that then there would be millions of americans out of jobs. Gas stations every thing oil would crumble. There are oil lobbiests who pay people to slow the tech of hydrogen cars so they dont go out of buisness.

[God v2.0]

Sorry, took me a while to get to this thread, my answer is to check this shit out http://www.unitednuclear.com
http://www.switch2hydrogen.com/

[infidel818]

its pretty wak that someone would call me a moron because they dont know how a battery works. For the last time....there is no electricity in a battery.....a battery just holds chemicals...when there is a current of electrons that go from the negative side of a battery, to a load, to the positive side of a battery...the chemicals in each side of the battery mix....producing an electrochemical reaction. (a chemical reaction that produces electrons.) Different types of batteries have different internal resistors.....the speed of the chemical reaction determines how much the battery gets "charged" with electrons.

ok im done with this thread.

[pabloescobar209]

its pretty wak that someone would call me a moron because they dont know how a battery works. For the last time....there is no electricity in a battery.....a battery just holds chemicals...when there is a current of electrons that go from the negative side of a battery, to a load, to the positive side of a battery...the chemicals in each side of the battery mix....producing an electrochemical reaction. (a chemical reaction that produces electrons.) Different types of batteries have different internal resistors.....the speed of the chemical reaction determines how much the battery gets "charged" with electrons.

ok im done with this thread.
dumbass... stop repeating yourself and read what i type... a battery has to be made and charged with electricity which is made by burning coal... is that so hard to understand

[God v2.0]

bateries are not charged with electricity bro, first of all science is wrong. energy is defined as the ability to do work. WRONG its the potential for the abilty to do work. big BIG difference. a battery is like the fat cells in yo body foo! when you use your stored energy (fat or calories) it produces energy which we can apply to whatever we need to do. a battery has chemicals in it that are basically the same thing, you can cut open a battery and it wont release a huge bolt of electricity because it doesnt contain any.

get an education man!

http://www.howstuffworks.com/battery.htm

[hardon]

I think ethanol is the way to go for sure. think about it...its clean, its a shitload cheaper than gas, and its made from corn, which would benefit americas farmers...i dont understand why they arent pushing for E85 regulation (85% ethanol, 15% gas) oh well...we should make gas out of weeeed maan, then we could form OWEG (orginization of weed exporting growers) and become RICH!!!!11111 and we will make the middle easterners pay out the ass for our awesome hash-gas

[dirty raider]

I think ethanol is the way to go for sure. think about it...its clean, its a shitload cheaper than gas, and its made from corn, which would benefit americas farmers...i dont understand why they arent pushing for E85 regulation (85% ethanol, 15% gas) oh well...we should make gas out of weeeed maan, then we could form OWEG (orginization of weed exporting growers) and become RICH!!!!11111 and we will make the middle easterners pay out the ass for our awesome hash-gas

Surely to produce ethanol of sufficent pureness it would have to be produced industrially rather than by simply using yeast, sugar etc. Therefore it would still require masses of energy to run the ethanol plants. Could be wrong though ain't really looked much into the subject.

In my mind the best source of energy we got at the moment is nuclear power so long as their well run and maintained it provides cheap clean energy which is sustainable (at least for a good while). Either that or we all move to Iceland where the whole population gets free electricty due to the masses of geo-thermal energy.

[pabloescobar209]

bateries are not charged with electricity bro, first of all science is wrong. energy is defined as the ability to do work. WRONG its the potential for the abilty to do work. big BIG difference. a battery is like the fat cells in yo body foo! when you use your stored energy (fat or calories) it produces energy which we can apply to whatever we need to do. a battery has chemicals in it that are basically the same thing, you can cut open a battery and it wont release a huge bolt of electricity because it doesnt contain any.

get an education man!

http://www.howstuffworks.com/battery.htm
where are batteries made.... every piece of a battery in cluding the chemicals has to be made and transported and then produced... you're telling me none of this uses electricity???? BTW searching for shit on howstuffworks.com isn't an education

[beachguy in thongs]

What ever happened to Nuclear Fission and the ability to run a city on a couple of cupfulls of ocean water?

[dirty raider]

What ever happened to Nuclear Fission and the ability to run a city on a couple of cupfulls of ocean water?

To my knowlege it ever so slightly too unstable to use as a means of converting energy, at least for the moment.

[Euphoric]

ethanol

Yes ethanol made preferablly from hemp. That would rule.

Let's not forget that Telsa invented free energy decades ago. This was a form of energy that could actually be transmitted from towers like radio waves. It's highly likely this was supressed by greedy corporate bastards, just like drugs..

[LovelyTasha]

Thats my prediction.

I think we would definitely go electric before hydrogen.

<3 Tasha

[UrDrugDealer.]

BULL FUCKING SHIt, Bush said that last year hes a fucking fagbag piece of shit.