Fogger Cloner.

[Da1KrayzieThug]

I typed hydroponics in Ebay from boredom and came across a full cabinet with everything you need to grow. EVERYTHING. This guy went from fire alarms to an instructional CD. On one of the pics I saw what he uses as a cloner. I think this is a really cool idea considering all the methods people mostly use. Its a lot easier and less matinence from what I can see. I dunno I'll have to look into foggers more to understand better.

[turtle420]

I typed hydroponics in Ebay from boredom and came across a full cabinet with everything you need to grow. EVERYTHING. This guy went from fire alarms to an instructional CD. On one of the pics I saw what he uses as a cloner. I think this is a really cool idea considering all the methods people mostly use. Its a lot easier and less matinence from what I can see. I dunno I'll have to look into foggers more to understand better.
I'm using a fogger...

I'll be using that fogger for the actual main grow...

I'm currently using that fogger for making my clones...

Please, please, if any questions, ask aways! There aren't too many people interested (or at least, that have provided interest) into the fogger idea.

I know gKnowm is following me closely, as he likes the fog idea... but other than that, I don't see other people interested in the idea. :(

[Da1KrayzieThug]

I'm interested! I just never heard about it anywhere. How much water is needed to be in the tub to properly root the clones? Also I've always wondered how people do the transfers from a mediumless clone to hydroton or w/e medium you use. It's jsut a confusing subject for me. Also, would the constant moist environment not be optimal growing conditions for mold and algae and all that bad stuff? Please I'd love to know more. Pros and Cons? Thanks in advance.

[turtle420]

I'm interested! I just never heard about it anywhere. How much water is needed to be in the tub to properly root the clones? Also I've always wondered how people do the transfers from a mediumless clone to hydroton or w/e medium you use. It's jsut a confusing subject for me. Also, would the constant moist environment not be optimal growing conditions for mold and algae and all that bad stuff? Please I'd love to know more. Pros and Cons? Thanks in advance.
Hey dude :thumbsup: :smokin: :smokin:

Sorry for not replying before, but these last days have been kind of hectic.

Anyways, good to know you're interested! I'll help you out all I can.

Water in the tub to "properly root the clones"? Um, 0. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Zero.
At least, in my setup, the fog comes INTO the small 6" pot, and it fills up that little pot in no time... then, on the "base" that I've got on top of the pot, I've got three holes with my clones... then, a fourth hole in the middle. When the fog fills up the bottom pot (which takes around 0.2seconds) it starts shooting up around the clones... check out the picture... it's from yesterday... you can see the fog shooting up.
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Now, transfer from medium-less to ... XXX....
Well, I still haven't done it, but what I'm planning to do:::
Rooting my clones in the fog "cloner" (if you could call it that)...
Taking them out, and placing them into 2" netpots, with some lava rocks.

That's it. Still don't know if it'll work, but I'm sure it will.

Fog, humidity, alga, mold... yeah... but, you want to contain your fog to the root area.

I mean, I know there are applications where people use foggers for foliar feeding and stuff like that,... and it works wonders! But I'll be using for actuall root growth.

Ok, so I'm going to have a big Sterilite tub, and fill it up with fog periodically (2minON/8minOFF???)... I'll place my clones with 2" net pots on the lid... I'll seal the clones/netpots/lid with tape (semi plastic, semi stretchable).
Now, the fog needs a way it can escape the root chamber, or else the fogger machine won't be able to pump it. So I plan on installing a "drainage" hole at the bottom of the Sterilite tub... excess fog can go OUT through there, plus, the liquid nutrients (liquid-->fogged-->condensed into liquid) inside the root chamber will be able to drain out there...

I'll have pics up when I do it.


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Dude, please post your questions... I just had a 10 minute break and had a few bong hits... I have no idea what the hell I was writting...

-turtle420 :cool:
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[Da1KrayzieThug]

I'm guessing you have the foggers that are attached to a hose and you just keep that in its own tub?

I was planning on getting a fogger like this one if not this exact one itself.
http://futuregarden.com/cgi-bin/shop/70-1048.html

I'm not going to need too many clones so my cloneer isn't going to be very big.

You were probably talking about this kind of fogger which I can't afford just yet.
http://futuregarden.com/hydroponics/systems_nutramist.html

I was actually thinking about making a mix of a DWC and a fogger. The guy who made the pic in my first post made it so that the fogger was in the same tub as the clones and not a different one so that means he probably had some water in there. Thanks in advance I'll be home in about 6 hours.

[turtle420]

^^^^^
That's the one I have ;)

I've got the NutraMist 5... I suggest, if possible, spend the dough on the complete unit... not the single head... why? Well, the full package brings a couple of engineered goodies... like a small PC fan... with a distribution pipe inside the reservoir... an automatic float valve that keeps the nute level at the needed level for optimum operation... etc.

One interesting note::: I've read over @ OverGrow.com's Edge that many people experience problems with foggers that "heat-up" too much the fog... well, as Zandor said when he first posted about the NutraMist, its fog is cool. Colder than room temperature.

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One of the things I liked about foggers, is that they help the plant produce "micro-hairs" on its roots. I think, (again, I THINK, as I'm a newb in this growing business), that if you use another type of hydro system, in addition to the fog, you will prevent the plants from developing those "micro-hairs".

For example, if you have foggy roots... inside a NFT-style rain gutter, when you start flowing the water through the NFT, it will probably break-off the roots' micro-hairs. With a DWC setup, the underwater roots will definitely do without micro-hairs.

The big improvement I'm hoping for is that these micro-hairs will make the plants grow faster, stronger and produce more yields. I'm very eager to see how the experiment goes... :)

Waiting for more discussion topics,

-turtle420 :cool:
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[scobbie]

this seems very intresting lads mobay uses one as well and he says only good things about it ,keep this thread updated as it will be good to see both of your results

[Da1KrayzieThug]

My problem right now is that I'm not going to have $400 to dish out on a fogging unit. I was hoping to get one for cloning at first then move on to growing mainly off of it. And if anything, I can buy the heads themselves, put them in a bucket with a lid and have one of my tiny computer type fans blow the fog into a hose and onto the plants or w/e. If i bought lets say 5 of the single head foggers and attached them all together and made my own fogging chamber I would save a lot of money. Please tell me if I'm wrong because I'm jsut trying to save some money here.

[turtle420]

My problem right now is that I'm not going to have $400 to dish out on a fogging unit. I was hoping to get one for cloning at first then move on to growing mainly off of it. And if anything, I can buy the heads themselves, put them in a bucket with a lid and have one of my tiny computer type fans blow the fog into a hose and onto the plants or w/e. If i bought lets say 5 of the single head foggers and attached them all together and made my own fogging chamber I would save a lot of money. Please tell me if I'm wrong because I'm jsut trying to save some money here.
Nah dude... go for it...

But, why buy 5 single head units? They sell the 5 head unit, don't they? I know they sell a 10 head unit...

Anyways, dude, you do that, and I'll help you out over here the best I can...

It works great for cloning... sort of...

I just updated my thread over @ Closet/Cabinet, check it out... my clones where doing spectacular... all to fall down... :confused: :confused:

Peace out dude,

-turtle420 :cool:
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[Da1KrayzieThug]

They sell a 5 head unit but for more money than 5 single heads. Etc for more and more heads.

[turtle420]

They sell a 5 head unit but for more money than 5 single heads. Etc for more and more heads.
Ohhhh... I see... check out the shipping and handling... it cost my like $80.

Another thing... each head has a "power brick", if you could call it that.

The head has a long power cable... which you attach to the power transformer, then the transformer you plug into the wall.

[turtle420]

Now I see your question about the water level:::

Well, thinking about it more, in your setup, you might, or might not have some water level under the roots.

SCENARIO A:::
You've got your tub, with your clones on top... and your fogger heads under the roots. So yeah, you have some water level under there, so the heads can produce the fog.

SCENARIO B:::
You've got your tub, with your clones on top... you've built a fog "chamber" in which fog will get produced, then pumped... in this setup, no, your roots wouldn't have water under them.

But yes, the heads need a certain level to work... if not, they fail... but the FutureGarden heads have an super cool automatic shut-off... you can see it in the pictures... you see the head? You see that it has kind of a black "bridge" on top of the chrome thing?

Well, that's the water level sensor. If the water level is under that "bridge", the fogger head doesn't turn ON.

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:
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[Da1KrayzieThug]

See this is what I meant.

First you have the closed tub with the fog head in it. It then generates fog and that fog rises to the top of the closed canister. Above the water level is a little fan that is attached to a hose to push the fog into the grow area. The stem of the plant is sealed so no fog can escape from there. The remaining fog condenses or whatever and becomes water again at the bottom of the root chamber. The root chamber is tilted slightly to bring the water to a hose which takes that water and drains it into another reservoir or maybe even back into the fogger reservoir. For the tops of the plants I can just get a simple fogger from target or w/e to keep around the plants to raise humidity and cool the plants down. So what do you think?

Sorry about the half assed picture.

[turtle420]

The stem of the plant is sealed so no fog can escape from there. ,,,,,,,, So what do you think?

Dude, you've got the setup pretty nailed down... good imagination :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Now, from my personal experience, you're going to need fog escaping from the root chamber, in order for the fog from the 'closed tub' (with the head)...

You see, if the fog can't escape out through the root chamber somewhere, the little PC fan won't be able to move the fog from the tub, to the root chamber...

Making any sense?

Yes, the fog actually does escape into the air... there are ways around it... but... ????

What do you think?

[turtle420]

I'll explain it ...

[turtle420]

Ok, the kids over @ the lounge have taken over our server again, so I uploaded the pic, so you can look at it... I don't know if I'll be able to post this message Houston...

Anyways, I modified the setup slightly...
On the top part of the picture, you can see that I copy/pasted a part of your pic...

Well, that's my intended setup for drainage of (1) the condensed fog and (2) the extra fog.

I plan on sealing the plants against the tub, as you said.
But the extra fog exiting the root chamber, would be exiting through a drainage @ the bottom of the root chamber tub.
Then, the drainage of the condensed fog, will drain down through there too.

Again, haven't built this thing yet... but let's see how it goes...

[Da1KrayzieThug]

Yea I understand. I probably would have though of that later but thanks! :D I justt I'll jsut do what you did and put a humidity dome over the plants and just poke a few holes there in the lips and a few in the dome too. I think this is looking pretty good so far. Plus we can use latewoods cloning directly into hydroton method and see how that works too.

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=39449&highlight=cloning+hydroton

[Da1KrayzieThug]

Also keep in mind latewood's third post. He uses something to prevent the wilting. I'm jsut going to go ahead and buy some Anti-Wilt when the time comes.

[scobbie]

See this is what I meant.

First you have the closed tub with the fog head in it. It then generates fog and that fog rises to the top of the closed canister. Above the water level is a little fan that is attached to a hose to push the fog into the grow area. The stem of the plant is sealed so no fog can escape from there. The remaining fog condenses or whatever and becomes water again at the bottom of the root chamber. The root chamber is tilted slightly to bring the water to a hose which takes that water and drains it into another reservoir or maybe even back into the fogger reservoir. For the tops of the plants I can just get a simple fogger from target or w/e to keep around the plants to raise humidity and cool the plants down. So what do you think?

Sorry about the half assed picture.




:stoned: brilliant well worked out ,go for it , good thread you2:stoned:

[Da1KrayzieThug]

It's not really a brilliant idea on my end because I mostly copied the method that the full unit uses and just made it into something the average person can build. :D I'll even make a guid with pics when I build it :P

[scobbie]

:stoned: cool look forward to that:stoned:

[buthead]

anti wilt,sounds lik wiltproof?....

[turtle420]

I'm very interested right now to know how long it takes for clones, using fog, to develop tiny ass roots.

Also, thoughts I've had in the matter:
Let's say you root your clones using a bubbler setup (a la LateWood)...
When you place them on your grow chamber, and use fog instead of a bubbler/DWC, will it work out fine?

Just a couple of thoughts...

-turtle420 :cool:
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[Da1KrayzieThug]

Let's say you root your clones using a bubbler setup (a la LateWood)...
When you place them on your grow chamber, and use fog instead of a bubbler/DWC, will it work out fine?

I think it would be absolutely fine. Goodluck <3