Officer "docked pay" for torturing Iraqi to death

[pisshead]

our enemies are bad because they murder and torture! we're the beacon of freedom because we murder and torture! saddam is bad, he tortures! we're good, we torture!

i'm learning to double think...double plus good.


Officer "docked pay" for torturing Iraqi to death

Prisonplanet | January 24 2006 (http://prisonplanet.com/index.html)

Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer, the highest ranking US Army official charged to date in the death of an Iraqi detainee, was convicted of negligent homicide on Saturday after it decided the death was not murder.

Welshofer, following broader army guidelines tortured an Iraqi General named Abed Hamed Mowhoush by covering his mouth and placing him head first into a sleeping bag then sitting on his chest during an interrogation.

The man died. How is that not murder?

The interrogation technique itself completely defies logic, how are you going to get information from someone who's mouth is covered and has been placed inside a sleeping bag?

We also know that any informatin extrapolated via the method of torture is highly suspect at best and most likely completely unreliable.

Yet the globalists still defend the method as effective.

The officer was fined $6,000 in salary and was largely restricted to his barracks and workplace for 60 days.

The leniancy of the sentance highlights the fact that US forces can literally get away with murder and that the use of torture is deemed to be permissable due to the fact that officers who carry it out are simply "following orders".

Where are the punishments for those responsible for these orders?

Related: Soldier Who Made Iraqis Jump Off Bridge, Killing One, Gets Just 6 Months, Is Not Discharged (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2005/100105jumpoffbridge.htm)

[Psycho4Bud]

$6,000 fine, 60 days house arrest with hubor privilage for accidently killing an insurgent? Kind of strict if ya ask me! :thumbsup:

[Myth1184]

He coulda just put a bullet in him and said it was self defense. Its kinda pathetic they tried a US Soldier for killing the enemy

[Miss Green]

That's unbelievable that that's all he got you got to be joking me!And what I thought has come out which is The leniancy of the sentance highlights the fact that US forces can literally get away with murder and that the use of torture is deemed to be permissable due to the fact that officers who carry it out are simply "following orders".That's fuckin scary that they can get away with murder and that's all mean't to be ok!Just like the new orleans thing last year and how they were shooting so called "looters"who are they kidding.But for those of youse who think it's ok just wait till another country does it to your men and see how you think about it then.:mad:

[Psycho4Bud]

US forces can literally get away with murder and that the use of torture is deemed to be permissable due to the fact that officers who carry it out are simply "following orders".[/COLOR]That's fuckin scary that they can get away with murder and that's all mean't to be ok!

They issue soldiers weapons for a reason...so they can kill.

Just like the new orleans thing last year and how they were shooting so called "looters"who are they kidding.

Oh, you must mean the poor little gun packin' gang bangers...to bad, so sad.

But for those of youse who think it's ok just wait till another country does it to your men and see how you think about it then.:mad:

Which country didn't torture our troops: Germany, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq during the first gulf war, or Iraq during the initial days of operation freedom. Don't ya know, it's o.k. for our soldiers to be tortured...just as long as we don't return the favor!

[Miss Green]

Which country didn't torture our troops: Germany, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq during the first gulf war, or Iraq during the initial days of operation freedom. Don't ya know, it's o.k. for our soldiers to be tortured...just as long as we don't return the favor!
And how do you figure that out Psycho so you think that it's ok to do it back don't you see how childish that sounds.Operation freedom how does that work mate you just can't shove democracy down there throats and say do it or else.And what amuses me more is you americans don't even have democracy so i'm trying to figure out how you are going to give iraq democracy??:confused:

[Psycho4Bud]

And how do you figure that out Psycho so you think that it's ok to do it back don't you see how childish that sounds.

If you know a better way of extracting information from an insurgent that wants to kill our soldiers..and Iraqi soldiers, well please tell us.

Operation freedom how does that work mate you just can't shove democracy down there throats and say do it or else.And what amuses me more is you americans don't even have democracy so i'm trying to figure out how you are going to give iraq democracy??:confused:

They drew up their own constitution and voted it in, THEY had two different elections now with the latest having a 70% voter turnout. What part of democracy don't you understand?

[Miss Green]

They drew up their own constitution and voted it in, THEY had two different elections now with the latest having a 70% voter turnout. What part of democracy don't you understand?
The part I understand is that the elections are a sham and it doesn't matter how many times they vote it's still going to be a sham!
If you want a suggestion then I suggest that you get out of the country and your soilders wouldn't be there over something that isn't worth there lives.And if your so high and mighty why don't you become a soilder go to iraq and come back after 6mths and tell it how it is that is if you make it!If you feel so strongly for the troops and want to support them there you go to iraq and support them in numbers :thumbsup: :D

[Psycho4Bud]

The part I understand is that the elections are a sham and it doesn't matter how many times they vote it's still going to be a sham!
If you want a suggestion then I suggest that you get out of the country and your soilders wouldn't be there over something that isn't worth there lives.And if your so high and mighty why don't you become a soilder go to iraq and come back after 6mths and tell it how it is that is if you make it!If you feel so strongly for the troops and want to support them there you go to iraq and support them in numbers :thumbsup: :D

That makes just about as much sense as "If you don't support the war then get out of the country".

Ya see, there's rednecks on both sides of the fence.:thumbsup:

By the way, just got high....can bench about 240#......does that make me high and mighty???:dance:

[Psycho4Bud]

By the way hon, isn't your country in Iraq as well? And I'll tell ya what, instead of pissing in my backyard why don't ya clean up your own?


Australia wheat monopoly rocked in Iraq inquiry
Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:18 AM ET

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia's monopoly wheat exporter AWB Ltd was accused on Monday of being prepared to deceive the United Nations over the terms of past oil-for-food wheat deals in Iraq, a government inquiry heard.

The AWB has said it had no knowledge of illicit payments after a U.N. report last October accused it of channeling US$221.7 million to Saddam Hussein's government through past sales.

The Australian government has launched an inquiry, headed by a former Supreme Court judge, to determine whether the AWB broke any Australian laws in its dealings with Iraq.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-01-16T061829Z_01_SYD251232_RTRUKOC_0_US-AUSTRALIA-IRAQ-WHEAT.xml&archived=False

[Miss Green]

That makes just about as much sense as "If you don't support the war then get out of the country".

Ya see, there's rednecks on both sides of the fence.:thumbsup:

By the way, just got high....can bench about 240#......does that make me high and mighty???:dance:
Ha Ha Ha no you didn't get it obviously seeming from your posts not just our arguements but other posts it seems that you support the troops and support bush so that's why I say to you sign up to the army go to Iraq see how you go/cope with it and like I say tell us how it all goes if you are all for the troops.:thumbsup: It makes perfect sense if you can read plan english.:thumbsup:

[Miss Green]

By the way hon, isn't your country in Iraq as well? And I'll tell ya what, instead of pissing in my backyard why don't ya clean up your own?


Australia wheat monopoly rocked in Iraq inquiry
Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:18 AM ET

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia's monopoly wheat exporter AWB Ltd was accused on Monday of being prepared to deceive the United Nations over the terms of past oil-for-food wheat deals in Iraq, a government inquiry heard.

The AWB has said it had no knowledge of illicit payments after a U.N. report last October accused it of channeling US$221.7 million to Saddam Hussein's government through past sales.

The Australian government has launched an inquiry, headed by a former Supreme Court judge, to determine whether the AWB broke any Australian laws in its dealings with Iraq.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-01-16T061829Z_01_SYD251232_RTRUKOC_0_US-AUSTRALIA-IRAQ-WHEAT.xml&archived=False

Yeah I know that we are in Iraq and I'm not happy about it at all never agreed with it at from the beginning, all because bush asked howard and he said "Yes sir whatever you say"It's shameful to say the least.And in regards to the wheat thing ....I know and all I can say to that is our country is run by criminals just like your country.

[Psycho4Bud]

Ha Ha Ha no you didn't get it obviously seeming from your posts not just our arguements but other posts it seems that you support the troops and support bush so that's why I say to you sign up to the army go to Iraq see how you go/cope with it and like I say tell us how it all goes if you are all for the troops.:thumbsup: It makes perfect sense if you can read plan english.:thumbsup:

I'm sure when my two pack a day cig habit; 44 year old ass showed up at the recruiters they'd all have a good laugh.:dance:

[eg420ne]

I'm sure when my two pack a day cig habit; 44 year old ass showed up at the recruiters they'd all have a good laugh.:dance:
You never know, they may need more people soon, you know with Iran and all....

[Psycho4Bud]

You never know, they may need more people soon, you know with Iran and all....

Won't be us in Iran...Isael will do a major bombing run, everybody will act all pissed off about it, blah, blah, blah. Just like with Saddams reactor.

[Miss Green]

Won't be us in Iran...Isael will do a major bombing run, everybody will act all pissed off about it, blah, blah, blah. Just like with Saddams reactor.
So what a country is aloud to bomb another country to nothin and thats meant to be all ok. Yeah you might have a point about your age but you never know bush will ask anyone to join cause he'll be desperate to get anyone.

[Psycho4Bud]

So what a country is aloud to bomb another country to nothin and thats meant to be all ok.[/COLOR]

Gulf war had the big U.N. thumbs up.:thumbsup:

[Miss Green]

Gulf war had the big U.N. thumbs up.:thumbsup:
Iraq war the big UN thumbs down.

[Psycho4Bud]

Iraq war the big UN thumbs down.
Howdy Miss Green,

You must be talking about the most recent....I was talking about the 1990 version.

Have a good one!

(Stolen from Torog, always Mr. Mellow! Good dude!)

[Psycho4Bud]

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one :thumbsup:

To many assholes, to many politicians and lawyers, to many religious nuts. And people would scream of a New World Order.

It's really to bad that society can't follow such a simple rule like "Living life in Peace"!

[Miss Green]

Howdy Miss Green,

You must be talking about the most recent....I was talking about the 1990 version.

Have a good one!

(Stolen from Torog, always Mr. Mellow! Good dude!)
Sorry now that I understand well that was a con job to.:) Have a good day.:thumbsup:

[Miss Green]

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one :thumbsup:

To many assholes, to many politicians and lawyers, to many religious nuts. And people would scream of a New World Order.

It's really to bad that society can't follow such a simple rule like "Living life in Peace"!
I mean seriously why can't they apply john lennon principles instead of destorying the world in which we live in.I just don't get it.I don't think he wouldn't be very happy about the way the world is turning.RIP:stoned: :pimp:

[Psycho4Bud]

I mean seriously why can't they apply john lennon principles instead of destorying the world in which we live in.I just don't get it.I don't think he wouldn't be very happy about the way the world is turning.RIP:stoned: :pimp:

Every species has it's own preditor. Man is basically mans only real preditor.
He wasn't happy about the way things were in his time....not much has really changed....same ol' problem spots throughout the world, just different names in the game.

[Miss Green]

Well then why do you support bush and the war in Iraq?It's Illegal,inhumane and we just shouldn't be there.Yes saddam might not have been the nicest president but he did have water running and the country stable now you look at it and it's [COLOR="Olive"]totally unliveable people are dying for no reason people can't drink the water because it's full of radioactive waste and it's just not stable for anyone to live in.:mad: :( :mad:

[Psycho4Bud]

Well then why do you support bush and the war in Iraq?

Saddam broke the U.N. resolutions after given many chances. Thanks to the food for oil scam the waters were left cloudy by dirty dealings. His WMD's have been confirmed by two different sources. His sons were rapists. Genocide on the Shi-ites and Kurds. Paying martyrs families $25,000 for a job well done. And the list goes on!

It's Illegal,inhumane and we just shouldn't be there.Yes saddam might not have been the nicest president but he did have water running

Running water in the Sunni area....there is actually better water and sewer across the country than in pre-war Iraq.

and the country stable

If lining people up in front of a hole and shooting is a better way of keeping the peace I guess I'm a little out of touch. He lined Sunni pockets while gassing Kurds and killing Shi-ites at will.
He also drove the value of the currency down to 4000 IGD/1 USD while pre-war Iraq was at $3.29 USD/ 1 IQD. The rate today has increased back to 1460 IQD/ 1USD being artificially held back by the CBI (Central Bank of Iraq).

now you look at it and it's [color=Olive]totally unliveable people are dying for no reason people can't drink the water because it's full of radioactive waste and it's just not stable for anyone to live in.:mad: :( :mad:

The beginnings of all nations has had death attached to it. As far as stability the Kurdish areas in the north and Shi-ite areas to the south are basically stable for the region. It's to bad that the Sunni regions wouldn't be as stable but since they are the ones giving up the power, it would be logical for them to be bitching and raising hell about the change.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[nicholasstanko]

We need war.

Psycho is right.

Man is man's only predator.

Imagine, the millions of people who die violently each year...imagine if they propagated and made offspring and their offspring made offspring...now imagine that over a span of twenty years or so...


i think that once we achieve colonisation in space we will gradually lose the instinct to go to war brashly because we will have no need to fear for population control.

the trick is to determine who most deserves to have war declared on them;)

think about it.



im hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh.

[Psycho4Bud]

Psycho is right.


I just might add that one to my signature!!!:thumbsup: