All Meat Eaters Please Click Here

[rastabill89]

This video has seriously change me ive been thinking for a while to become a vegeatarian and today I start. Now im not saying that you guys should im just asking you to watch this video........ http://www.meat.org/

[BaseRSX]

Hey I have not and will not watch what ever this is... But I have been a vegetarian for 15 years. You can look through all my posts and you will see that I have never preached or tried to persuade people to become vegetarians. I really donâ??t care. I have seen a lot of this kind of stuff before and feel that being a vegetarian for 15 years has earned me the right to not have to watch this kind of stuff. But if you eat meat you probably should watch it, whatever it is.

The meat industry and meat in general is totally sick and disgusting. Thatâ??s why I refuse to put it in my mouth. That does not even address the animal cruelty issue that this video probably does.

Anyway, peace.

[SomeGuy]

I eat meat and will continue to do so...

[rastabill89]

I eat meat and will continue to do so...

Good for you man! I didnt ask you to stop i just wanted people to see how them treating the animals

[SomeGuy]

yes...I do agree that it is horrible though..I wish they were more ethical with their animal treatment.

[Crispyfried]

That is pretty nasty and does make me want to not eat meat. I'll just eat marijuana salads.

[DarkFirer]

its amazing how animal treament like this is legal, but im not aloud to get high.

how are all these vegitarians letting this happen? dont they want it to stop? just not eating meat is the weakest excuse for solving anything.

u vegies act like u cant make a difference.... ill i ever see is vegetarians who just stop eating meat, but dont stop the problem.

id say the meat industry is the most evil group of humans.

[eddievanzant]

I hope you realize that you kill more animals by being vegetarian because of all the field mice n' shit in the fields when the farmers harvest their plants.

[BaseRSX]

I hope you realize that you kill more animals by being vegetarian because of all the field mice n' shit in the fields when the farmers harvest their plants.

Did you not read my post? Killing animals is just part of the reason.

Anyway you are totally wrong!! What the hell do you think cows and pigs eat? Did you know 75% of the corn grown in America goes to feed livestock!?!? If everyone ate vegetables only, we would need to grow about 75% less crops to feed people, which would not only save the cows and pigs, but the mice in the fields too.

[MullManiac]

Saves me doing it myself. todays society is far too ethical for my liking.

[DarkFirer]

i gotta say this world is overfull of evil. why? cuz theirs so many materialistic things in it these days.

all evil in this universe comes from material only. our souls are completely naturally good.

my question is how can u live and do these things to animals? what part of your life got completely fucked up that you forgot animals have a life force also?

how can you create such fear terror horror pain and suffering and not even think theres anything wrong with it?

knowledge is the key to happiness. thats what went wrong.

[DarkFirer]

Saves me doing it myself. todays society is far too ethical for my liking.


ha ur gonna b a damn mother fucking pig if recarnation is true! its funny.

[BaseRSX]

i gotta say this world is overfull of evil. why? cuz theirs so many materialistic things in it these days.

all evil in this universe comes from material only. our souls are completely naturally good.

my question is how can u live and do these things to animals? what part of your life got completely fucked up that you forgot animals have a life force also?

how can you create such fear terror horror pain and suffering and not even think theres anything wrong with it?

knowledge is the key to happiness. thats what went wrong.

Donâ??t blame people for not being vegetarians. They are not doing it to the animals intentionally. Its just the out of sight, out of mind aspect to it.

I think it was Henry David Thoreau or Paul McCartney that said "if slaughter houses had glass walls there would be 80% more vegetarians in the world.â?�

Itâ??s the fact that everyone gets there meat already packaged or made and their is no connection to the horror of where it came from at the point of purchase.

[eddievanzant]

I read your post, but it has nothing to do with you.
I suggest you read all of this page: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
Also, there are always gonna be some retards making a fool out of their job, but I'm 100% sure most of the meat production uses humane means of killing animals, like punching a spike through a cow's neck, while harvesters mangle the bodies of little rodents and leave them to rot in fields.
The only kinds of people who actually change their life on a whim, like becoming vegan just because they saw one gross-out peta propaganda film are idiots.

[DarkFirer]

Donâ??t blame people for not being vegetarians. They are not doing it to the animals intentionally. Its just the out of sight, out of mind aspect to it.

I think it was Henry David Thoreau or Paul McCartney that said "if slaughter houses had glass walls there would be 80% more vegetarians in the world.â?�

Itâ??s the fact that everyone gets there meat already packaged or made and their is no connection to the horror of where it came from at the point of purchase.


naa man, i myself am not a vegie, im talking about the people who were in that video.

how could they hear a organism shriek in complete and utter terror/horror/pain/agony/hell and feel nothing out of it.
things are born so that they can experience, not live a life to serve our bellies.........

[BaseRSX]

naa man, i myself am not a vegie, im talking about the people who were in that video.

how could they hear a organism shriek in complete and utter terror/horror/pain/agony/hell and feel nothing out of it.
things are born so that they can experience, not live a life to serve our bellies.........

I still refuse to watch that video, as I said I have earned the right to not have to see it. But please just tell me what is in the video.

[VoidLivesOn]

Mmmmmm cows, and pigs.When I eat a pork chop I kinda get off knowing that a pig was probably kicked around and slaughtered just so I could enjoy the pork chop.

They can shove there propaganda up there ass, no converting here.PLus the main fact remains I'm just to American consumer to be vegetarian.

Yeah, lazy.

[eddievanzant]

I hope you do not refuse to read the article in my last post which I fear you may have overlooked due to the popularity of this site...
I read your post, but it has nothing to do with you.
I suggest you read all of this page: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill
Also, there are always gonna be some retards making a fool out of their job, but I'm 100% sure most of the meat production uses humane means of killing animals, like punching a spike through a cow's neck, while harvesters mangle the bodies of little rodents and leave them to rot in fields.
The only kinds of people who actually change their life on a whim, like becoming vegan just because they saw one gross-out peta propaganda film are idiots.

[VoidLivesOn]

Yeah word, maddox rocks.

[rastabill89]

its like showing you what they do to them like they hang cows and pigs upside down and they slit their throat well their still alive and a bunch of shit i really dont wana type everything they showed. i really wana get those images out my head man

[VoidLivesOn]

its like showing you what they do to them like they hang cows and pigs upside down and they slit their throat well their still alive and a bunch of shit i really dont wana type everything they showed. i really wana get those images out my head man


Eat some meat.

[BaseRSX]

Mmmmmm cows, and pigs.When I eat a pork chop I kinda get off knowing that a pig was probably kicked around and slaughtered just so I could enjoy the pork chop.

They can shove there propaganda up there ass, no converting here.PLus the main fact remains I'm just to American consumer to be vegetarian.

Yeah, lazy.

LOL you probably think you are offending me or upsetting me. You also probably think you sound tough and jaded. I say good for you, I hope you go beat your dog. I sure wont loose any sleep by anything you say or do. Keep up the cruel work! :thumbsup:

[rastabill89]

Eat some meat.


Hell no, im set with that bro

[DarkFirer]

the vid just showed animal cruelty to the meat we eat. but it showed it in a way that made it look like they were handling the animals PURPOSELY to hear them shriek!

like i used to think slavery was bad and all, but its over, but truth is we are just evil materialistic machines.

it would be so much easier to just let these animals live and then do something humane to them instead of bash their heads everwhere.

[BaseRSX]

its like showing you what they do to them like they hang cows and pigs upside down and they slit their throat well their still alive and a bunch of shit i really dont wana type everything they showed. i really wana get those images out my head man

Thanks man. Glad I didnt watch it.

[Rarrr]

yes...I do agree that it is horrible though..I wish they were more ethical with their animal treatment.
I agree with this. Animals can be eaten for survival but sheer cruelty and disregard such as what was shown in that video should be altered in a way that's fairer to the animal. I know I would'nt want to be burnt alive, lol.

[VoidLivesOn]

Okay since you can post you veggie propaganda I'll post my anti.Click this link I dare you.No videos to make you puke so much that you actually sickened into believing there bullshit.THis is just a rant with supported facts on how be a veggie is a waste of time and your just as bad as meat eaters.http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

Click it I dare you,

[DarkFirer]

people dont realize that when you look into the face of a human, u obviously can only describe it as god. we are gods creation, we can even see his artistic perfection in us.

are animals gods creatures too? hell ya! when i look into my dogs eyes, i see just as much life in them and her actions as any human ive ever seen.

[VoidLivesOn]

I agree with this. Animals can be eaten for survival but sheer cruelty and disregard such as what was shown in that video should be altered in a way that's fairer to the animal. I know I would'nt want to be burnt alive, lol.

You probably also wouldn't wanna be eaten, so ummmm..excuse me if this comes off dickish...who gives a shit.

[eddievanzant]

Okay since you can post you veggie propaganda I'll post my anti.Click this link I dare you.No videos to make you puke so much that you actually sickened into believing there bullshit.THis is just a rant with supported facts on how be a veggie is a waste of time and your just as bad as meat eaters.http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

Click it I dare you,It's no use man! They're just ignoring our posts!

[rastabill89]

that dosent do anything man i Honestly in my heart think JAH put animals on this earth to do other things then for us to eat I do not think he put them on here for us to eat

[DarkFirer]

of course vegetarians are just wasting away their lives. they live to eat no meat, and thats a sad life. we can eat meat, just not the way we package it.


vegetarians arent taking the right steps to humane animal raising and killing.

i mean, if cows were taken care of here like they are in india for example, obviously their wouldnt b more than a few people whod b vegans.

there are meat practices that are humane, but vegetarians dont realize that god created us to enjoy many things to eat, including meat. they think that any meat eating is cruelty.
not all of them think this way, some are just lazy as hell and will only go as far as not eating meat, only hurthing themselves.

[VoidLivesOn]

It's no use man! They're just ignoring our posts!


Haha no shit, looks like it huh? Not showing ANY acknowledgment to our links.

[DarkFirer]

like how fuckinghard is it to blow up a animal torturing facility? ha too complicated for the retarded vegies of america says the least.

vegitarians are pussy plant eaters no better than animals, thus we should eat them.

[rastabill89]

Haha no shit, looks like it huh? Not showing ANY acknowledgment to our links.


Dude read my last post I read your link man and i said i dont think JAH put them on the earth to eat

[BaseRSX]

Okay since you can post you veggie propaganda I'll post my anti.Click this link I dare you.No videos to make you puke so much that you actually sickened into believing there bullshit.THis is just a rant with supported facts on how be a veggie is a waste of time and your just as bad as meat eaters.http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

Click it I dare you,

So your and this siteâ??s whole argument is about smaller animals being killed in the fields that grow crops? Did you not read, or more importantly, understand what I posted about the vast majority (75%+) of wheat, rice, corn, etc. grown in our country and all around the world is used to feed livestock? Do you not understand that by not eating meat you are not only stopping the killing of the livestock but the number of animals killed due to the raising of those crops that feed the livestock!??

LOL thatâ??s really funny because that sites argument is just another reason why being a vegetarian saves the lives of animals!! Thanks for that link!!
:thumbsup:

[VoidLivesOn]

Dude read my last post I read your link man and i said i dont think JAH put them on the earth to eat

Then what did he put them on earth for, to fucking pick daisys and play solitaire?

Don't even start the whole compassion and there equal to us crap.Sorry I don't play with my shit like a pig does, but I'll be damned if I dont eat one.

[Nightfox]

as a kid who has lived on a farm his whole life i just wanted to say that those astions are only those of huge companies that only wanna make a profit. on our farm we had sheep, pigs, horses, and cows. not one of them was treated badly. the pigs had the run of the yard, but also they must be kept in a small pen while birth for a day so that they dont eat the piglets, then they are let outside, but the big slaughter companies are keeping them their for good. i do think that the things there are cruel, and our cattle were always put down in a humain way, such as a drug casuing no pain. slitting thier throats is very cruel and should not happen. i can explain why dairy cows have bad feet, it is beacuse animals were meant to walk on grass, no concreat, which does ruin their feet. we have curently switched farming from beef to dairy. our claves are taken off the mothers but are not kept in cramped conditions, as i said before it is these huge compains who are in it for a profit, and i never eat veal. i am not a vegetarian but i do not agree with the way these anaimal are treated.

[VoidLivesOn]

So your and this siteâ??s whole argument is about smaller animals being killed in the fields that grow crops? Did you not read, or more importantly, understand what I posted about the vast majority (75%+) of wheat, rice, corn, etc. grown in our country and all around the world is used to feed livestock? Do you not understand that by not eating meat you are not only stopping the killing of the livestock but the number of animals killed due to the raising of those crops that feed the livestock!??

LOL thatâ??s really funny because that sites argument is just another reason why being a vegetarian saves the lives of animals!! Thanks for that link!!
:thumbsup:


I guess you right, you'll have to take that up with whoever wrote it.THis is wear I stick my dick between my legs and walk away munching on a juicy burger. :thumbsup:

[rastabill89]

Then what did he put them on earth for, to fucking pick daisys and play solitaire?

Don't even start the whole compassion and there equal to us crap.Sorry I don't play with my shit like a pig does, but I'll be damned if I dont eat one.

He certinitly didnt put them on earth to have their throats slit and then thrown into a tub of boiling water alive

[Nightfox]

Don't even start the whole compassion and there equal to us crap.Sorry I don't play with my shit like a pig does, but I'll be damned if I dont eat one.[/QUOTE]

listen man they may not be equal to us but animals know when they are being treated badly. i don't agree that animals should be let go free and no one eat them but ppl don't have to be cruel to them, there are other methods.

[eddievanzant]

Unless you pick your own plants, you are no better than us, as you are also supporting the killing of large amounts of animals.
What does the fact that livestock eat wheat n' shit have to do with this discussion? Answer: Nothing.
YOU are eating the plants TOO. YOU are killing animals TOO. You are no better than us, and being vegetarian is no more guiltless.

[VoidLivesOn]

He certinitly didnt put them on earth to have their throats slit and then thrown into a tub of boiling water alive


Ok as soon as you get quote from him saying that I'll take it to heart.But until then I'll just leave it marked as another person making assumptions.

[beachguy in thongs]

The reason why these animals are even born is because they're for food. If they weren't slaughtered, they would have never been alive.

So, if there's no more selective breeding, there's no farm animals.

[BaseRSX]

I guess you right, you'll have to take that up with whoever wrote it.THis is wear I stick my dick between my legs and walk away munching on a juicy burger. :thumbsup:

Hey man I'm not after you or anyone when it come to this topic. You just have to understand the big picture and that site is totally ridicules because it is so short sided by the fact that they donâ??t even mention the fact that most of those crops are being raised for livestock.

I read something where it talks about the amount of fresh water it takes to produce different kinds of food. Don't quote me because I donâ??t remember the exact numbers but it was something like this-

10 pound sack of apples = 20 gallons

1 loaf of wheat bread = 75 gallons

1 ounce beef steak = 2,000 gallons!!!

Thatâ??s because of the enormous amount of food it takes to raise a cow.

Always look at the big picture.

[UnViaje]

lmao "meet your meat"

yup, its messed up & sux [especially the castration].
fukkit, lets barbecue

[eddievanzant]

I feel I need to elaborate more on what I said in the last post about the percentage of wheat n' shit being used to feed livestock.
If everyone ate only plants, 100% of wheat would go directly to feeding us; therefore, the fact that presently cows eat the largest amount of wheat is IRRELEVENT.

[BaseRSX]

The reason why these animals are even born is because they're for food. If they weren't slaughtered, they would have never been alive.

So, if there's no more breeding, there's no farm animals.

Wow you are right!! I'm going to start having children just so I can sell them as sex slaves! No one can say its wrong because the only reason I'm going to have these children is so they can be sex slaves!! :rolleyes:

[Rarrr]

You probably also wouldn't wanna be eaten, so ummmm..excuse me if this comes off dickish...who gives a shit.
I see what youre trying to say (hehe wheat is murder) but the purpose to which it is burnt is a lot different to the purpose to which it is eaten. We eat to survive, animals, plants etc, this is natural but to torture something in such a way isnt very charactoristic of nature just because it's more efficient and costs less to do so. Im still going to eat meat but it doesnt mean I agree with how they kill animals. We are the only species in the world (humans) that has the awareness to defy our instincts and exist in whatever we want to do. This is why we should take more responsibility for our actions (not personally). Why cause something more pain than it needs to save money or are you that capitalistic :).

[VoidLivesOn]

Wow you are right!! I'm going to start having children just so I can sell them as sex slaves! No one can say its wrong because the only reason I'm going to have these children is so they can be sex slaves!! :rolleyes:

YEah I think thats where the line is drawn.You are human, being when you have kids and sell them as sex slaves they too are going to be human.

We are talking about animals being born for a reason, and thats being eaten.

[BobBong]

Sparky says, "Woof woof! Ouch this grill is hot!"

oh wait.. no he doesn't it's a dog...or is it?

[VoidLivesOn]

I see what youre trying to say (hehe wheat is murder) but the purpose to which it is burnt is a lot different to the purpose to which it is eaten. We eat to survive, animals, plants etc, this is natural but to torture something in such a way isnt very charactoristic of nature just because it's more efficient and costs less to do so. Im still going to eat meat but it doesnt mean I agree with how they kill animals. We are the only species in the world (humans) that has the awareness to defy our instincts and exist in whatever we want to do. This is why we should take more responsibility for our actions (not personally). Why cause something more pain than it needs to save money or are you that capitalistic :).

Yeah that makes sense, but why are you telling me?

Tell the people who manage your meat.

[BaseRSX]

I feel I need to elaborate more on what I said in the last post about the percentage of wheat n' shit being used to feed livestock.
If everyone ate only plants, 100% of wheat would go directly to feeding us; therefore, the fact that presently cows eat the largest amount of wheat is IRRELEVENT.

Yeah thatâ??s a nice try but again the amount of people that could be fed by the crops that the animals eat is something like 10 to 1. It really, really a huge difference so this argument also is completely false.

Again I'm not going after you, just trying to show you how all these really old arguments have been proven wrong a long time ago.

Just about the only place where eating animals made since was when people moved to climates where crops and food were not available during the winter months. Of course in our modern society this is totally not the case anymore.

Please donâ??t kid yourself, if all the crops that are grown to feed animals were instead used to feed people directly, we could pretty much wipe out starvation in Africa and everywhere else in a very short period of time. Like a year or two.

[Rarrr]

YEah I think thats where the line is drawn.You are human, being when you have kids and sell them as sex slaves they too are going to be human.

We are talking about animals being born for a reason, and thats being eaten.
Guess what? Humans are animals too. OMGZZZZ :D

[eddievanzant]

Hey man I'm not after you or anyone when it come to this topic. You just have to understand the big picture and that site is totally ridicules because it is so short sided by the fact that they donâ??t even mention the fact that most of those crops are being raised for livestock.

I read something where it talks about the amount of fresh water it takes to produce different kinds of food. Don't quote me because I donâ??t remember the exact numbers but it was something like this-

10 pound sack of apples = 20 gallons

1 loaf of wheat bread = 75 gallons

1 ounce beef steak = 2,000 gallons!!!

Thatâ??s because of the enormous amount of food it takes to raise a cow.

Always look at the big picture.You will be burned in 3, 2, 1. That site you are calling rediculous addresses that. http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi

[VoidLivesOn]

You will be burned in 3, 2, 1. That site you are calling rediculous addresses that. http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi

Did you really have to do it? :thumbsup: :dance:

[Rarrr]

Yeah that makes sense, but why are you telling me?

Tell the people who manage your meat.
As long as our society looks for a way to save money (capitalism at its best) I believe this will continue. Too much money to lose for the meat companies...

[eddievanzant]

Did you really have to do it? :thumbsup: :dance:it?

The only way to not kill animals is to pick your own shit. I'd bet 100 bucks that not one vegan here actually picks everything they eat, and because of that, we are all equal.

[BaseRSX]

You will be burned in 3, 2, 1. That site you are calling rediculous addresses that. http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi

Well I saw the numbers from the FDA. But if you want to believe a guy that drives this car -
http://maddox.xmission.com/oldsloco5.jpg

Be my guest...

[eddievanzant]

You can't discredit someone for being middle-class without sounding like a total asshole.

[BaseRSX]

P.S. what is that guy even talking about? He changes his argument from how much water it takes to produce a steak to how much water driving a car uses. That is not the point.

The point is that vegetarians use much less water with their diet than someone who eats meat does with their diet. He never even tried to argue this point instead he just changed the subject. He also goes into some BS about the total amount of water on the earth. But we are talking about drinkable water that people and animals can actualu use. That is just about the dumbest argument i have ever read!

Come on guys, please tell me you are smarter than this...

[Euphoric]

Im a vegetarian :)

eating meat is evil especially if it's been abused its entire sickened, miserable life then having its throat slit then it being boiled alive..they just shrug and take another bite of bacon. it's ridiculous man..cause im eating soy based bacon that actually tastes better

www.peta.org :cool:

[VoidLivesOn]

Well I saw the numbers from the FDA. But if you want to believe a guy that drives this car -
http://maddox.xmission.com/oldsloco5.jpg

Be my guest...

Wow I guess you didn't catch the joke on that car my friend..If you really think that guy drived THAT car in the first place.I think that might even be photoshop.Plus the car has nothing to do w ith discussion.

Base I'm off to smoke a bowl, care to join? :thumbsup:

[BobBong]

You know what's funny.. i was watching a dog drink the piss of another dog AS the dog pissed.. it was quite sickening really... but then i thought.. yea.. that's what sets us apart.

I'd eat a Dog...just as quickly as I'd eat a Cat. The reason i don't is because they're considered "house pets" in the western civilization. But if a Nucelar winter happened and food was nowhere to be found.. then yea... I'd eat a dog.. or a cat.. or an animal.. but not a human. Human's have a conscience...animals don't. If a dog shits on your floor, does it clean it up because it feels bad? hardly....The reasoning is simple, we ate animals because our bodies need certain nutrients. Before magical vitamin pills and powerade crap that's how you lived to 55 or 60 .. by eating animals, vegetables, grains and fruit. Now we live to 85 or more because of massive technological leaps. without these technological leaps..the vegetarian community would wither away and die....literally.
Thank Meat Eating for being where we are today...in science,medicine...society as a whole.

[Starchild]

http://www.goveg.com/order.asp

For a free starter kit..

[rastabill89]

Im a vegetarian :)

eating meat is evil especially if it's been abused its entire sickened, miserable life then having its throat slit then it being boiled alive..they just shrug and take another bite of bacon. it's ridiculous man..cause im eating soy based bacon that actually tastes better


yea man im eating a garden burger thats better then a regular burger :-)

[BaseRSX]

Wow I guess you didn't catch the joke on that car my friend..If you really think that guy drived THAT car in the first place.I think that might even be photoshop.Plus the car has nothing to do w ith discussion.

Base I'm off to smoke a bowl, care to join? :thumbsup:

Sorry I'm out. If I was high I wouldnt even be here. When I'm high I never want to read or post on message boards. Thats why you will only see me on here posting, for the most part, when I'm out of pot...:(

[rastabill89]

You know what's funny.. i was watching a dog drink the piss of another dog AS the dog pissed.. it was quite sickening really... but then i thought.. yea.. that's what sets us apart.

I'd eat a Dog...just as quickly as I'd eat a Cat. The reason i don't is because they're considered "house pets" in the western civilization. But if a Nucelar winter happened and food was nowhere to be found.. then yea... I'd eat a dog.. or a cat.. or an animal.. but not a human. Human's have a conscience...animals don't. If a dog shits on your floor, does it clean it up because it feels bad? hardly....The reasoning is simple, we ate animals because our bodies need certain nutrients. Before magical vitamin pills and powerade crap that's how you lived to 55 or 60 .. by eating animals, vegetables, grains and fruit. Now we live to 85 or more because of massive technological leaps. without these technological leaps..the vegetarian community would wither away and die....literally.
Thank Meat Eating for being where we are today...in science,medicine...society as a whole.

if a handicap dude shits on your floor is he gona clean it up? does that make him non human?

[BobBong]

if a handicap kid shits on the floor is he gona clean it up? does that make him non human?

No, but he could feel bad about it.

Or happy about it...
p.s nice edit.

[BaseRSX]

yea man im eating a garden burger thats better then a regular burger :-)

Boca' are the best. Yes Boca is now owned by Kraft which kills tons of animals in their other products, and yes Kraft is owned by Phillip Morris that kills tons of people with their product...

But that is just the way the world is right now, you do what you can....

[rastabill89]

No, but he could feel bad about it.

Or happy about it...
p.s nice edit.


if he is really really mentaly hindicap he wont know what he did or if he did bad or good hes handicap

[BobBong]

if he is really really mentaly hindicap he wont know what he did or if he did bad or good hes handicap

ok? so what's your point. Now put a dog or cow or a whale or any animal for that matter in that same situation. a "mentally handicap" animal.. would not function in the wild. In fact, in most cases either be eaten by the mother or left for dead. There was a day.. when humans did this also.. when unfortunate souls were born with developement problems and often outcast or even left for dead...

So what are we proving here? Humans > Animals.. always have, always will...

I eat. Therefore, I am.

[Jeff Spicoli]

DarkFirer, you are soooo fucking stupid

....and I watched the video, thought about it for a moment, and then I ate some chicken, which was delicious by the way.

[BobBong]

if he is really really mentaly hindicap he wont know what he did or if he did bad or good hes handicap

:stoned:

The only reason he would be alive is because he's human. any other species would leave him for dead.

[ImStonedNILikeIt]

It kind of makes me sad to see how humanity treats things. But then again we'd have a great deal of over population/and that would cause a big problem in the world. I've been thinking of being a vegan...because one of my good friends is a health freak vegan, but I don't know. I really like food....And meat.......damn why am I faced with these descions today....aw to hell with it.... :rasta:

[rastabill89]

It kind of makes me sad to see how humanity treats things. But then again we'd have a great deal of over population/and that would cause a big problem in the world. I've been thinking of being a vegan...because one of my good friends is a health freak vegan, but I don't know. I really like food....And meat.......damn why am I faced with these descions today....aw to hell with it.... :rasta:


you should go the vegan route they have so many good vegan foods check out this site http://vegweb.com/recipes/

[hempsmoker25]

man, i live in oklahoma and grew up around farms, and whatnot, and im a meat eater, but most slaughter houses are clean and those in the video, which looked like the same throughout it were pretty much just assholes, most animals are killed humanely.

[eddievanzant]

BaseRSX, his point was that fractionally, not eating meat makes little difference to the amount of water we consumed. YOU KNEW THAT, yet you chose to make that post in biased.

I'm done arguing with this, so I will make one last list of points.

1) Eating animals is cruel to animals.
--I personally believe this video was made by a terrorist group named peta, but even if this wasn't, I'm willing to bet 100 bucks that MOST SLAUGHTERHOUSES ARE MORE HUMANE THAN BEING HUMAN. You do nothing your whole life, get all the food you want, then when you're at your prime, you get killed painlessly and don't have to suffer through old age.
2) Producing meat consumes way more water.
--First of all, who gives a shit? We'll ALWAYS have the same amount of water. Second, compared to all the water we normally consume, not eating meat affects the total number microscopically.
3)It's healthier to not eat meat.
--That is total bullshit and I refuse to even acknowledge that as a point by making a counterpoint.
4)Eating plants is less guilty.
--Eating wheat tortures more animals due to all the field mice n' rabbits that get their tiny bodies mangled up in machines and are left to rot.

If you eat only plants for specific health or religious reasons, I don't give a fuck; but if you think you are less guilty of cruelty to animals by eating plants, you are dead wrong.

[BaseRSX]

you should go the vegan route they have so many good vegan foods check out this site http://vegweb.com/recipes/

Ahh you donâ??t have to start out vegan. That is a HUGE step for a meat eater to take!

Just try giving up mammals for a few months. Just eat chicken and fish, etc. This will be tuff enough. Then after you are cool with that, just stop eating meat all together and still eat dairy. Then try going no dairy. That is they way I did it.

I mean do what ever works for you. I donâ??t even believe in the labels â??vegetarianâ?�, â??veganâ?� etc. Your diet is no one elseâ??s business. If you want to not eat meat for a month and the gorge yourself on it for one weekend that fine. You are not joining a club. You are not doing anything that anyone else should give a shit about. I have not eaten meat in 15 years but that has nothing to do with wanting to use the label â??vegetarianâ?�. I could go get a burger right now if I wanted to and it would not be anyone elseâ??s business! Of course I never would but you see my point.

[rastabill89]

yea hey do you have Aim Msn Aol or yahoo man?

[BaseRSX]

BaseRSX, his point was that fractionally, not eating meat makes little difference to the amount of water we consumed. YOU KNEW THAT, yet you chose to make that post in biased.

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It makes a HUGHE DIFFERENCE in they amount of usable, drinkable water you use to produce meat!!! When did I say differently??? I mean come the fuck on, I donâ??t think anyone thought I was talking about salt water like that loser with the webpage was!!

See I fear that most people that engage in this argument are ether not intelligent enough or patient enough to actually see all the sides. People just want to read the first thing on the screen and say â??ha-ha yeah that supports my view, I will now close my mind.â?�

I donâ??t care if you eat meat or not. Infact I really hope you do keep eating it. I welcome you to even get a job killing animals and post up work pics. That is your personal business not mine.

But donâ??t miss quote me or try to say that eating meat makes no environmental difference because it does make a HUGE environmental difference along with many others.

[eddievanzant]

Not eating meat makes only a slight difference with the amount of water we consume total. Just read his fun with facts paragraph. And besides, we will always have the same amount of drinking water.
You are being hypocritical. You talk about how others are missquoting and aren't paying attention, yet you didn't pay attention to either of the links and misquoted the one about water. Slaughterhouses are more humane than fields. You can act all superior n' shit all you want, but you are no better than us, and you're wasting your life not eating meat. I'm not going to say something like, "I truly feel sorry for you because you're wasting your life," because that is asshole-ish, but I will say that eating plants doesn't help the environment or animal cruelty. You are ignoring all parts of this argument that you cannot counterpoint by pretending to be a dumbass. I know you're not this dumb and I can see where you are avoiding things by pretending to misinterpret shit.

[BaseRSX]

Not eating meat makes only a slight difference with the amount of water we consume total. Just read his fun with facts paragraph. And besides, we will always have the same amount of drinking water.
You are being hypocritical. You talk about how others are missquoting and aren't paying attention, yet you didn't pay attention to either of the links and misquoted the one about water. Slaughterhouses are more humane than fields. You can act all superior n' shit all you want, but you are no better than us, and you're wasting your life not eating meat. I'm not going to say something like, "I truly feel sorry for you because you're wasting your life," because that is asshole-ish, but I will say that eating plants doesn't help the environment or animal cruelty. You are ignoring all parts of this argument that you cannot counterpoint by pretending to be a dumbass. I know you're not this dumb and I can see where you are avoiding things by pretending to misinterpret shit.

LOL Good luck, because I was like you and believed all this once. But hopefully like any rational person when you are not arguing with me or someone else and you stat to think about things, you will think about this stuff and it will actually bother you. But if you donâ??t thatâ??s cool too.

But you called me a â??dumbass", said you "feel sorry for me" and that Iâ??m wasting my life? WTF? Because of what I choose to eat? LOL come on man, who is getting overly dramatic now!?!? LOL Oh my...

Not eating meat seems to bother people that do eat meat a lot more than eating meat bothers people that donâ??t! ;)

Think about that one for a while and enjoy your steak;)

[eddievanzant]

I'm sick of you purposefully misquoting me. You know I never called you a dumbass. You are not a worthy debater. I'm sure there are a few vegans who are able to support their oppinion, but all you can do is missquote people, stay on the defense and avoid addressing the point. You are not worth anyone's time if this is how you argue regularly.

[smokey]

Did you not read my post? Killing animals is just part of the reason.

Anyway you are totally wrong!! What the hell do you think cows and pigs eat? Did you know 75% of the corn grown in America goes to feed livestock!?!? If everyone ate vegetables only, we would need to grow about 75% less crops to feed people, which would not only save the cows and pigs, but the mice in the fields too.you would not need to grow less you would need to grow more
the livestock still has to eat and if we was all vegies we would need more to feed us

[VoidLivesOn]

OUch this is getting hot.

[BaseRSX]

I'm sick of you purposefully misquoting me. You know I never called you a dumbass. You are not a worthy debater. I'm sure there are a few vegans who are able to support their oppinion, but all you can do is missquote people, stay on the defense and avoid addressing the point. You are not worth anyone's time if this is how you argue regularly.

Oh so "pretending to be a dumbass" was not calling me a â??dumbassâ?�? I guess that means you were calling me a genius!

But that was the only point out of my last post you disagreed with, so that "miss-quote" allows you to dismiss everything I just said. I guess you won. Lol All the others that actual bothered to read all this can be the judge if I miss quoted you or the really stupid links you put up.

It would be so cool to come eat a tofurky in front of you and your family!! LOL that would be like an insult on your beliefs!! LOL But if you came and ate a turkey in front of me and my family I and they wouldnâ??t even care. Hell I would ask you if you wanted to smoke some pot and play some darts. Well that is if you werenâ??t coming of as the total asshole that you are now!!

Go ahead, try to get the last word again;)

[rastabill89]

where you living at now? boston tokyo or kansas?

[BaseRSX]

you would not need to grow less you would need to grow more
the livestock still has to eat and if we was all vegies we would need more to feed us

LOL now come onâ?¦. Do I really need to answer this? Come on dude you can find the flaw in this statement. Really just think for a few mins about what you just said. I mean you donâ??t have to be a vegetarian to see how illogical this statement just was. I mean you could send this to the head of the Beef Council and he would even chuckle!! Lol

See what I mean about the intelligent level of this argument?? Anyone?

[VoidLivesOn]

I'll smoke some weed, play darts, and eat some chicken.

[rastabill89]

LOL now come onâ?¦. Do I really need to answer this? Come on dude you can find the flaw in this statement. Really just think for a few mins about what you just said. I mean you donâ??t have to be a vegetarian to see how illogical this statement just was. I mean you could send this to the head of the Beef Council and he would even chuckle!! Lol

See what I mean about the intelligent level of this argument?? Anyone?

LOL it sure did make me Chuckle!
:dance: :D

[Psycho4Bud]

Q. What kind of meat does the pope eat?

A. Nun. :D

[rastabill89]

Q. What kind of meat does the pope eat?

A. Nun. :D


lol Dude the Pope is The Anti christ hes Sacrilegious and blasphemous

[Smokey McPot]

Saves me doing it myself. todays society is far too ethical for my liking.

Ya i wish todays society was more simple. Back in the 50s and 60s life looked much better, more simple and happy

[Myth1184]

FYI, the peta Video was filmed in mexico, where Methods of killing animals arent regulated like they are in the US

[Psycho4Bud]

Ya i wish todays society was more simple. Back in the 50s and 60s life looked much better, more simple and happy


Simpler times....where school kids were taught to duck and cover in case of a nuclear attack.

[BaseRSX]

FYI, the peta Video was filmed in mexico, where Methods of killing animals arent regulated like they are in the US

LOL regulated in the USA?? Did you know that a very large percent (70%+) of slaughterhouse workers are illegal Mexicans? Of course so are the workers harvesting our vegetables. But itâ??s hard to regulate workers that donâ??t even show up on anyone's books!!!

But now you are just opening a whole new can of worms!

[bonsaiguy]

PETA has long since lost any credibility it ever had because of their demented desire to turn everyone in to vegans. And if they had their way, they would outlaw all meat in a heartbeat. There's a reason we have canine incisors.
We are omnivorous animals. Just had a ribeye sandwich and it was very tasty.

[bonsaiguy]

Simpler times....where school kids were taught to duck and cover in case of a nuclear attack.
Yeah...like that would have worked. One more reason to question everything the govt says.

[BaseRSX]

Yeah...like that would have worked. One more reason to question everything the govt says.

I agree with PETA being a bad organization. I have never supported or endorsed them. But that should not make you dismiss every cause they are involved in across the board. Much of what they are trying to do is just, but not done in a very good way. Peta is just one group.

And yeah the 1950s under the desk thing is so funny!! Our government loves to scare us into agreeing with extreme measures. Remember the plastic sheeting and duct tape of 9-11?!?! LOL Its amazing people actually went out and bought that stuff.

[bonsaiguy]

I agree with PETA being a bad organization. I have never supported or endorsed them. But that should not make you dismiss every cause they are involved in across the board. Much of what they are trying to do is just, but not done in a very good way. Peta is just one group.

And yeah the 1950s under the desk thing is so funny!! Our government loves to scare us into agreeing with extreme measures. Remember the plastic sheeting and duct tape of 9-11?!?! LOL Its amazing people actually went out and bought that stuff.

Hitler had a couple of good ideas too. PETA has been overtaken by lunatics who are as fanatical and jihadist as Al Queda, the so called reverend Fred Phelps, anti smoking health nazi's, the Southern Baptist Council, Dubya, etc etc...they are looking to shock everyone in to believing that meat is bad and have no qualms about any of the loons who take action in their name. They are of the belief that they are right and anyone who does not agree with them is crazy, brainwashed or just plain evil. They are more than entitled to their opinion (and is does provide a certain degree of entertainment from time to time) However their huge self importance has convinced them that they are right. This always happens with organizations like this who start out with good intentions but soon become drunk on power and money. In fairness, the animal rights folks have done some good in improving conditions for animals, improving methods of killing and processing them, etc. They have also made great contributions to the health and well being of pets and helped to increase penalties for those who wantonly abuse animals. All good things.

[BaseRSX]

Hitler had a couple of good ideas too. PETA has been overtaken by lunatics who are as fanatical and jihadist as Al Queda, the so called reverend Fred Phelps, anti smoking health nazi's, the Southern Baptist Council, Dubya, etc etc...they are looking to shock everyone in to believing that meat is bad and have no qualms about any of the loons who take action in their name. They are of the belief that they are right and anyone who does not agree with them is crazy, brainwashed or just plain evil. They are more than entitled to their opinion (and is does provide a certain degree of entertainment from time to time) However their huge self importance has convinced them that they are right. This always happens with organizations like this who start out with good intentions but soon become drunk on power and money. In fairness, the animal rights folks have done some good in improving conditions for animals, improving methods of killing and processing them, etc. They have also made great contributions to the health and well being of pets and helped to increase penalties for those who wantonly abuse animals. All good things.


Well yes I'm glad you acknowledge some good things from animal rights people. But comparing them to Al Queda?!? Lol come on man, I could compare the Christian church, McDonalds and half a dozen other things to them. Kind of sensational and unnecessary if you ask me.

And both Hitler and Gandhi were vegetarians. Yes that is a fact! That should tell you something. One of the most destructive and peaceful people in earth's history agreeing about one thing. Not eating meat.

You can say all you want about both people, for or against. But the fact that they both agreed about that is fascinating no mater how you look at it .

[eddievanzant]

I'm not going to argue with any of your recent posts because they include nothing anyone using the average amount brain normal people use would see as a point worth discussing. LOL! :Wink: LOL!

[Jeff Spicoli]

Yeah...like that would have worked. One more reason to question everything the govt says.
OH COME ON, it's the only god damnt thing you can do, sorry schools don't build fall out shelters for thousands of kids

[BaseRSX]

OH COME ON, it's the only god damnt thing you can do, sorry schools don't build fall out shelters for thousands of kids


LOL this is another one. Now come on think about what you just said. Just for a few mins... You can do it, you can figure out how stupid of a statement that is... You think getting under a desk is going to help you survive at all during a nuclear attack!?!

Yes if there was a real threat they would have built fallout shelters for kids!! And not thousands.. MILLIONS!!

The fact that you are on cannabis.com would I assume mean that you undstand the bogus ad campaign against pot in the 1930s? You know "Refer Madness" etc. You think that â??under the deskâ?� crap from the 1950s was any different?

[Jeff Spicoli]

come to the chatroom tonmight, it's a party.
what do you sugest that the schools should make the students do in a emergency like that?

[BaseRSX]

come to the chatroom tonmight, it's a party.
what do you sugest that the schools should make the students do in a emergency like that?

LOL nothing!! There is nothing you could possibly do to avoid death in an atack like that in a normal building!! And the fact that they conducted bullshit drills for it was just done to scare people, absolutly nothing to actually help save lives if it actually happened!!!

[Jeff Spicoli]

it's not like they are saying that it will save your life, but it just gives the slightest chance of survival, it's like a security blanket.. i hope i don't sound like a dumbass right now lol

[bonsaiguy]

it's not like they are saying that it will save your life, but it just gives the slightest chance of survival, it's like a security blanket.. i hope i don't sound like a dumbass right now lol
You're not a dumbass. (at least I don't think so)
Even though the nukes we have now make the ones we dropped on the Japanese look like pop rocks, during the 60's in particular there was the deranged concept of MAD or Mutually Assured Destruction. We had enought nuke power in our sub fleet alone to blow up Russia about 15 or 20 times. (gives real meaning to the word overkill) And the Russians (former USSR) had about the same capacity. In the event of all out nuclear war, there was no survival. Only the twisted satisfaction of knowing that if we died, so would they and vice versa. Ain't that special?

[Euphoric]

The animals killed (accidently) in the process of harvesting wheat and other crops is not to be compared to industrial factory farming for meat. It's absurd.

look at the stats.


70%+ crops are grown for animals to be slaughtered





so us veggies are still helping by not supporting the majority of farming methods that accidently get mice

[sharpezor]

aw that video is fucked up. i only scimmed threw, but ughh.

[MEANGREEN06]

i dont see anything wrong with killing hogs i love hog hunting

[Euphoric]

i dont see anything wrong with killing hogs

they have the intelligence of 5 - 10 year olds..

[Inspiration]

When I was 7, my aunt made me twist the neck of a chicken at her farm, before we bled it and cooked it for Sunday Lunch. This was my lesson from her as to where meat comes from and what it means when you take a mouthful of meat.

That covered me for many years, and allowed me to justify the meat that I was eating whilst being active in campaigning against the mistreatment of animals (for a few very disillusioning years)...

I am no vegitarian, nor do I beleive I ever could be. I have read up on battery farming (which is disgusting), and witness regularly trucks transporting animals in terrible conditions across Europe. Laws exist to protect these animals, the ability to enforce those laws (either in terms of money or available resources), does not exist, so the cruel treatment continues.

I try to buy organic and open farmed produce - but of course its so expensive that really it makes meat a luxury item. I still eat the occasional kebab made of processed lambs lips and toenails, and once or twice have even had the McNuggets (Chicken assholes and elbows). I don't, and nor should I, feel that much guilt.

For all the cruelty in the production of food - at least these animals are dying with a real purpose (to feed people), although as I previously mentioned, the ability for legal agencies to enforce the law needs to be put in place. Animals used for other testing, however, such as make-up and other items of human vanity, are, in my opinion dying for no reason other than human ego, so we can look good - that hardly seems justified.

Its an interesting debate when you talk to an "anti-meat-eater" Vegitarian, who still uses make-up, wears leather shoes and uses bathroom products.....!!

I respect the views on here tho - noone is trying to force the issue down someone elses throat - this is the way intelligent debate should be held!

[Euphoric]

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[BobBong]

they have the intelligence of 5 - 10 year olds..

And yet...given the chance, would roll in their own shit and make grunting noises when it eats. yea...

Animals never have and never will have the brain's that humans do. That's what puts us at the very top of the food chain. Humans have evolved.. have pigs? To put animals on the same level as people is just plain stupid. Don't eat meat, if you think it's healthier. Don't eat meat if you think it's cruel. But don't, under any circumstance say a pig has the intelligence of a 5-10 year old because it makes you sound stupid. I'm not saying you are, but the statement screams it.

p.s. Do you seriously believe that they specificly use the rectal sphincter and elbow of chickens to make food? do they even have elbows? what a silly concept..

Bob.

[luvbud]

First of all I am not trying to persuade any vegetarian/vegan to eat meat. I have tried to exclude meat from my diet,but always get anemic in the process.
There are good suppliers of organic and natural meat out there. The animals have good living conditions and are only fed high quality grains, etc. Just be aware where your food is coming from and how is was grown or raised. We are only a small group, but every little bit makes a difference.

[ScarlettCrush]

I was raised on a farm, these films are propaganda.
It is just like those anti drug commercials where they show 30 year olds still living with their parents, having no job and being drop out losers.
Sure there are some, but there are a lot who aren't so shut up already, pack a bowl and eat a damn steak.

[rastabill89]

And yet...given the chance, would roll in their own shit and make grunting noises when it eats. yea...

Animals never have and never will have the brain's that humans do. That's what puts us at the very top of the food chain. Humans have evolved.. have pigs? To put animals on the same level as people is just plain stupid. Don't eat meat, if you think it's healthier. Don't eat meat if you think it's cruel. But don't, under any circumstance say a pig has the intelligence of a 5-10 year old because it makes you sound stupid. I'm not saying you are, but the statement screams it.

p.s. Do you seriously believe that they specificly use the rectal sphincter and elbow of chickens to make food? do they even have elbows? what a silly concept..

Bob.

they roll in their shit and mud because it protects them from the sun cuz they burn easily......thought i would tell you a cool little fact

[bunnie420]

the strong over power the weak, its a part of the food chain; so i do eat meat.

[Nochowderforyou]

I didn't watch the full video. It is hard to watch these animals be abused the way they are, and I'm a hypocrit because I love meat, I admit it.

I use to work in a pig slaughtering house. The things I saw in that video here, getting their throat cut while upside down, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT GOES ON IN EVERY PLANT. Not every plant is cruel and brutal that way. The one I worked at, we never abused the pigs, like hit them, EVER! You can't do that otherwise the meat gets bruised and is unedable. They had a machine where the pigs went into, no windows or something, a dark boix, and an electrode goes into their throat shutting off their brain, painless (so they say). That's what most plants are. They are up to code and clean.

But still, the ones that get away with it, is awful, but I love meat, I LOVE IT.

Peace

[LOVElife]

Saves me doing it myself. todays society is far too ethical for my liking.
Too fuckin' right mate!

Meat Eater all the way!

Peace

[activedenial]

Meat is the shit! Thanks for starting the thread, I'm getting hungry. Who is up for starting the bon fire? I'm supplying the pig/:smokin:

[rastabill89]

Lol that picture dosent do shit lol ive been to lots of pig roasts

[imno007]

Well, of course we have evolved to eat meat and thus it is perfectly natural for us to eat meat. You can argue that we have the ability to "rise above" our evolutionary programming to not eat meat, but that's a decision each individual has to make for himself. If it makes you feel better about yourself, don't eat meat. There won't be any divine reward for the decision, but you'll feel better. I DO eat meat, but not often, several times a year, but it's never store-bought, because I don't want to contribute to an industry that tortures animals for money. You see, I'm all for the hunter who kills his own animals to feed himself and his family - in other words, those who don't do it just for sport, to hang trophies on their walls, or just because they get off on killing things.

I HATE what the meat industries do to the animals. It IS cruel and inhumane, and the people involved in such practices should be ashamed of themselves. In fact, I'm convinced that much of the cruelty you see on the part of workers in that video is in direct proportion to the guilt most of them feel - or at least ONCE felt - deep down. They can't do what they do if they allow themselves to feel any compassion for the beasts they kill, so they treat them as objects instead, things without feeling, and it's that distancing of themselves from what they do that allows those people to live with themselves.

[eddievanzant]

The animals killed (accidently) in the process of harvesting wheat and other crops is not to be compared to industrial factory farming for meat. It's absurd.

look at the stats.


70%+ crops are grown for animals to be slaughtered





so us veggies are still helping by not supporting the majority of farming methods that accidently get mice If no one eats animals, we'd eat a hell of a lot more harvested shit, so that point is irrellevent.

[mrdevious]

If no one eats animals, we'd eat a hell of a lot more harvested shit, so that point is irrellevent.

that doesn't make the point irrelevant at all. it takes more "harvested shit" to feed one cow than the amount of beef that will be eaten by people. if everybody didn't eat meat, we'd save more because much more wheat would be spent on feeding cattle than feeding us. that's about as clear as I can make it.

[beachguy in thongs]

If we're given the option to eat what we want, be it vegetables or chicken, why can't we make a choice to smoke what we want, be it cigarettes or merry wanna.

[420ultimatesmokage]

If no one eats animals, we'd eat a hell of a lot more harvested shit, so that point is irrellevent.

you can't see the complete illogicality of this statement. you think we somehow get more food by feeding the crops to the animals. why don't you think long and hard about that one.

[Az.]

The meat industry and meat in general is totally sick and disgusting. Thatâ??s why I refuse to put it in my mouth. That does not even address the animal cruelty issue that this video probably does.


i completly agree...i have nothing against people eating meat...its the fact that buying already packaged/processed meat is almost supporting treating animals like the ones in the video.

I have seen so many different videos like that before....I saw one about fur that was equally saddening, but this one I only watched up to the cattle....near halfway through.......and it is fucking disgusting treating animals like that....puts mankind to shame....

as I have said before i can deal with human death/murder but murdering animals and cruelty to animals is something i cannot deal with....it makes me insanly angry....and sad.

[activedenial]

i completly agree...i have nothing against people eating meat...its the fact that buying already packaged/processed meat is almost supporting treating animals like the ones in the video.

Buying packaged meat is fine in my oppinion. It's the people that eat meat but say hunting is cruel, and they would never gut the animal, or do the dirty work. They are the ones that are retards. If you can't kill animals hunting, then don't eat meat.

[Az.]

That link that was posted that is anti-vegetarian sounds like it was written by a narrow minded dick....
....lol....saying shit like "vetarians think they are saving the world by not eating meat"....lol......i think he missed the point....


Buying packaged meat is fine in my oppinion. It's the people that eat meat but say hunting is cruel, and they would never gut the animal, or do the dirty work. They are the ones that are retards. If you can't kill animals hunting, then don't eat meat.

what i meant was pretty much what you said.....i have nothing against eating meat....absolutly nothing against it......however!...eating packaged meat that has come from animals that have been mistreated/tortured/left to die slowly by humansthat just want to make a profit out of it is not the way to go......
....if i had my way in this world everyone would still be hunting for their food.

[eddievanzant]

There are 3 main reasons to be a vegan- specific health benefits, religious purposes, and thinking that you're so much better than everyone else because eating one kind of organism instead of both somehow makes the world better. That narrow-minded dick was criticizing the last one, and if he was making no sense, his site wouldn't be as popular as it is. Many people (maybe most) believe he makes a good point. Normal people are sick of better than thou bullshit propanganda and shitty tasting veggie burgers.
that doesn't make the point irrelevant at all. it takes more "harvested shit" to feed one cow than the amount of beef that will be eaten by people. if everybody didn't eat meat, we'd save more because much more wheat would be spent on feeding cattle than feeding us. that's about as clear as I can make it.Because it seems that only one side is actually citing any information, I'm gonna let your side prove something.
My belief is that because it takes more plants to satisfy a human, we would need roughly the same amount of shit harvested if everyone were veggies than what we are right now. I believe that being vegetarian would either do nothing or even raise the amount of shit harvested, and if that's true, being vegetarian does nothing to prevent animal cruelty, as the cruelty involved in harvesting is wore than the cruelty in slaughterhouses.

You believe that if we were all vegans, we'd need to grow less crops. I want to see a link to an actual study. If you provide that, I'll stop making that point.

[Az.]

yea i get your point...i just dont think animal cruelty is right......imagine if for some reason packaged meat suddenly stopped being produced....lmao....like worldwide...no sausage, chops, burgers, steak.....UNLESS you hunted the cow....(which wouldnt actually be that hard come to think of it)....and skinned, gutted, beheaded it, cut the different parts of meat out.....thats how i would prefere to live if it stopped slughterhouses mistreating animals....

.....however saying that i saw a programme called tribe the other night and this dude went deeeeep into some forest and met with this tribe, and he lived with them for a little while......this tribe in one of their religious ceremonies hung a cow...like rope round a cows neck and raised off the ground (they did eat it btw)......not as harsh as cutting a bull's bals off, with what looks like scissors though. but if that was in a western country they would be stopped imediatly for causing undue stress and pain to an animal...

[eddievanzant]

I'm trying to get across the point that most slaughterhouses aren't cruel at all. The aniaml does nothing its whole life, gets free food, and when they're at their prime, they get a painless, thingy in their neck, if I may quote from nochowderforyou. "They had a machine where the pigs went into, no windows or something, a dark boix, and an electrode goes into their throat shutting off their brain, painless (so they say). That's what most plants are."
Most likely these videos were made by PETA themselves.

[sweetnhighz]

i will not watch the video because it will break my heart. im not much of a meat person, but i do love veggies and fruit and one day mayb will limit myself from all meat, try tellin my cook that though, lol

[hipEstoner]

what do u want them to do,, pet the cows and say its all gonna be ok,, haha,,we all die in the end,, so fuck it


mmmm , steak

[VoidLivesOn]

I agree with PETA being a bad organization. I have never supported or endorsed them. But that should not make you dismiss every cause they are involved in across the board. Much of what they are trying to do is just, but not done in a very good way. Peta is just one group.

And yeah the 1950s under the desk thing is so funny!! Our government loves to scare us into agreeing with extreme measures. Remember the plastic sheeting and duct tape of 9-11?!?! LOL Its amazing people actually went out and bought that stuff.

Plastic sheeting?

I never heard of this, please explain.

[if6was9]

wow that really changed my perspctive on meat. :( ... but im still gonna eat it anyway. :thumbsup:

[fractur]

that doesn't make the point irrelevant at all. it takes more "harvested shit" to feed one cow than the amount of beef that will be eaten by people. if everybody didn't eat meat, we'd save more because much more wheat would be spent on feeding cattle than feeding us. that's about as clear as I can make it.

You're assuming that the food going to cows would instead go to humans. Try looking up what cows eat and tell me if you'd enjoy it. Animals can eat things that we can't. The things that animals eat often grow in places that our plant food cannot be grown. The point is unsubstantiated.

[pabloescobar209]

its amazing how animal treament like this is legal, but im not aloud to get high.

how are all these vegitarians letting this happen? dont they want it to stop? just not eating meat is the weakest excuse for solving anything.

u vegies act like u cant make a difference.... ill i ever see is vegetarians who just stop eating meat, but dont stop the problem.

id say the meat industry is the most evil group of humans.
well if we all stopped eating meat there would be no maret for meat so that means there would be no farms and the animals would never be treated that way...

[UIowaHawk17]

Humans are part carnivore and part herbivore. To say humans shouldn't eat meat is stupid. Our bodies are designed to eat meat. We have specially designed teeth to eat meat just like other meat eating animals. Yes, animals in these major meat processing plants are being treated poorly and I would also like to see these conditions for them improve. But lets be honest here, do you think the people who buy meat are willing to pay the extra costs for these conditions to improve for animals who are going to meet their demise anyway? No. The general public does not want to burden the extra cost, which is exactly what will happen.

I'm not using that as a means of justification for treating animals the way they do, it is just the facts.

BTW, I grew up on a farm in Iowa that raised pigs. I thought their conditions on our farm were pretty good considering how much money we were spending on the buildings to house them.

[Jeff Spicoli]

Iowa, don't waste your time, they won't listen

[Nightfox]

I feel I need to elaborate more on what I said in the last post about the percentage of wheat n' shit being used to feed livestock.
If everyone ate only plants, 100% of wheat would go directly to feeding us; therefore, the fact that presently cows eat the largest amount of wheat is IRRELEVENT.


ok dude obviously u don't know fuck all about what cows eat, cows cannot eat fucking wheat it would kill them u idiot, cows can only eat corn, oats, and barley. not wheat.

[DemoCommando]

Personally, this little narration is making me laugh and I still LOVE meat. I really don't care how the animals are treated personally, their not mine. I didn't buy them to feed them to sell them and make cash. I just want the end product, steak, pork, chicken legs and thighs.
So tasty.

The reason I put it in MY mouth is because I know I cook it correctly and have never been ill from eating meat. If it tastes good, eat it I say.

Dan

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Bob.

LOL ... erm... that was an attempt at humour, I am sure its actually Chicken fingernails that they put in McNuggets....

[bonsaiguy]

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[eddievanzant]

ok dude obviously u don't know fuck all about what cows eat, cows cannot eat fucking wheat it would kill them u idiot, cows can only eat corn, oats, and barley. not wheat.I've used "wheat," "whaet n' shit," "shit," and "Cows," "animals," and "livestock" interchangeably because I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT THEY EAT. No one cares about specific details like that. Stop picking up on little things I've said incorrectly because you can't argue with my main points. From now on, I'll make sure to never use the term "cow" and "wheat" in the same reference. Get the sand out of your vagina.

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

I've seen that video before, like a year ago. Did'nt make me change my ways, i also read an atrical about PETA (i think its PETA, the ppl who made that video) dumping dead puppy's in a dump. So........ i think it might be BS.

But either way, i ALREADY knew that the animals were killed horribly, and if you did'nt already know that, well.......

[rastabill89]

Damn I didnt know this thread was gona be so big

[eddievanzant]

I've heard weir things about PETA. I heard that they illegally euthanise animals sometimes due to lack of funds. Maybe those dead puppies were the ones they didn't have money to protect.

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

Yeah, exacly. Thats why that video dos'nt really "touch" me as much as some people. But its natural to kill other animals anyway, other species do it.