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bedake
01-19-2006, 09:28 PM
y Declan McCullagh
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022
491.html

Story last modified Mon Jan 09 04:00:00 PST 2006

Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.

It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a
prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail
messages without disclosing your true identity.

In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog
as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small
favors, I guess.

This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet,
is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of
Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and
two years in prison.

"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv
Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union.
"What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."

It's illegal to annoy

A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet,
you must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language.

"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to
originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are
transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing
his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any
person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title
18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit
called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone
harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without
disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."

To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania
Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an
unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan:
to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.

The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by
voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.

There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House
approved in September had radically different wording. It was
reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive
computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm."

That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely
annoying someone be illegal?

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write
something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are.

Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors
wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring
pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to
send e-mail describing corruption in local government without worrying
about reprisals.

In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed.
That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't
file charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial
discretion is hardly reassuring.)

Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site,
says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane
postcards through e-mail could be imperiled.

"Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein said.
He added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States Post
Office, do you have to reveal your identity?"

Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that
outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But the
courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so Annoy.com
didn't have to worry.

"I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday.
"I would fight it on First Amendment grounds."

He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple
point, but the First Amendment protects our right to write something
that annoys someone else.

It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court
Justice Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a 1995
case involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing
anonymous political pamphlets.

Copyright ©1995-2006 CNET Networks, Inc. All rights reserved.


so next time any of you call me a name your goin to jail!!!

Shelbay
01-19-2006, 09:34 PM
The link does not work. Not for me anyway...this is true? No clauses or amendments?? :confused:

bedake
01-19-2006, 09:35 PM
just type flaming illegal in google, yep its true

Az.
01-19-2006, 09:43 PM
you have annoyed me by telling me this.....

the letters were also too small which annoyed me....

i hate all internet using humans, all of them annoy me....

bedake
01-19-2006, 09:44 PM
lol exactly, just another dumb law down in the books

Shelbay
01-19-2006, 09:47 PM
lol exactly, just another dumb law down in the books
But it IS a law and can be used against U>S> citizens at will?! Wow. I don't think I can say any good about this. I try to love my country..still do but we are becoming dictators here.omg :smokin:

friendowl
01-19-2006, 09:48 PM
when i get to jail ill get me a sandwich.flame on

Harvesthetic
01-19-2006, 09:50 PM
Great. So now we can sue CNN journalists for flaming the Islam.

Tonight on CNN: "OmGZzz u guyzz sukkk bearded bully wtf BoMBzz."

lemonboy
01-19-2006, 09:52 PM
This is one of those laws that it will be forever impossible to enforce on a large scale but will be used in court on a case-by-case basis to obtain convictions and harder sentences. It's also a direct attack on citizen supported news services (i.e blogs) which certainly impose a growing threat on commercial news services in the next few years. It's a shame these kind of tactics are tolerated by the public.

bedake
01-19-2006, 09:53 PM
my dream is to jerk off and shoot my load through the white house fence onto the lawn... that would be so awesome it would be worth gettin in trouble for

BobBong
01-19-2006, 09:57 PM
Man that's annoying!

beachguy in thongs
01-19-2006, 09:57 PM
I'm Chris and that's my real name. I'm allowed to flame from now on?

Shelbay
01-19-2006, 09:58 PM
I'm Chris and that's my real name. I'm allowed to flame from now on?
For truth is that how it works?

VoidLivesOn
01-19-2006, 09:59 PM
This is one of those laws that it will be forever impossible to enforce on a large scale but will be used in court on a case-by-case basis to obtain convictions and harder sentences. It's also a direct attack on citizen supported news services (i.e blogs) which certainly impose a growing threat on commercial news services in the next few years. It's a shame these kind of tactics are tolerated by the public.

Dude everything you say makes sense in a great way.Like every message you type no one could have typed better.Its sort of weird.

BobBong
01-19-2006, 10:01 PM
Well.. i guess that means tokosan is out of a day job.. or has turned to a life of "crime".

Kid Dynamite
01-19-2006, 10:10 PM
my names tom


and your all a load of pricks

although im in the uk...so i can say whatever the sam hell i like.

Kid Dynamite
01-19-2006, 10:13 PM
Dude everything you say makes sense in a great way.Like every message you type no one could have typed better.Its sort of weird.


i agree so much with that. I just feel as though if id tried to say what he said, i wouldve made a right mess of it.

chisme
01-19-2006, 10:59 PM
y Declan McCullagh
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance%2C+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022
491.html

Story last modified Mon Jan 09 04:00:00 PST 2006

Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.

It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a
prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail
messages without disclosing your true identity.

In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog
as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small
favors, I guess.

This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet,
is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of
Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and
two years in prison.

"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv
Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union.
"What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."

It's illegal to annoy

A new federal law states that when you annoy someone on the Internet,
you must disclose your identity. Here's the relevant language.

"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to
originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are
transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing
his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any
person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title
18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit
called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone
harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without
disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."

To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania
Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an
unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan:
to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.

The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by
voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.

There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House
approved in September had radically different wording. It was
reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive
computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm."

That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely
annoying someone be illegal?

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write
something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are.

Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors
wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring
pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to
send e-mail describing corruption in local government without worrying
about reprisals.

In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed.
That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't
file charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial
discretion is hardly reassuring.)

Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site,
says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane
postcards through e-mail could be imperiled.

"Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein said.
He added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States Post
Office, do you have to reveal your identity?"

Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that
outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But the
courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so Annoy.com
didn't have to worry.

"I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday.
"I would fight it on First Amendment grounds."

He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple
point, but the First Amendment protects our right to write something
that annoys someone else.

It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court
Justice Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a 1995
case involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing
anonymous political pamphlets.

Copyright ©1995-2006 CNET Networks, Inc. All rights reserved.


so next time any of you call me a name your goin to jail!!!



yeah but whos gonna go round every forum on the net and then track down the individuals the internet police? :D

DemoCommando
01-20-2006, 04:12 AM
But that's just in the US, not anywhere else. All us foreigners can flame the fuck away. Americans suck. I hate htem all. Flame flame burger.
Dan

CocaCola
01-20-2006, 04:26 AM
Fuck America. LOL!

jahjahjahjah
01-20-2006, 04:40 AM
Wie oben das gebumst ist.

jahjahjahjah
01-20-2006, 04:41 AM
In case you didn't know i said thats fucked up.

tokosan
01-20-2006, 04:55 AM
i think im going to move to nigeria and start indexing child porn and terrorist manuals just to piss them off

GanjaBob
01-20-2006, 05:07 AM
wow i laughed

bonsaiguy
01-20-2006, 05:18 AM
The feds have been trying for years to find any way they can to control the internet. Fortunately, it has become so gargantuan that they really have missed out on the oppurtunity. In China they have very strict govenrment controls on internet traffic and day by day, their attempts to control the flow of information in and out of China has been crumbling. The US government is no different...between the left and the right, they have attempted to control every aspect of out lives. This particular instance is a blatant attempt to "crack down" on all of the bloggers that have become such a thorn in their sides. I suspect that it will eventually be shot down under the first amendment. Freedom of speech does not require identification.