god and stuff

[cameron123240]

do any of you believe in god and that crap? because obviously i dont.

i believe that the whole religion and god movement began long ago, and was started by sum1 who wanted to change the world into a better place, which didnt happen. sad.

[mrdevious]

1. wrong forum

2. god does exist because you'll burn in hell if you question his holy word.

3. In Flames and Slayer sound sweet when stoned.

[Hempamasta]

It's the lounge. It doesn't matter what the topic is, he can talk about it here.

I do not believe in a god, but to say that the world wasn't changed into a better place because of religion isn't correct. I mean sure, we have violence and pain and all that, but imagine how many lives have been touched by this "religion" in mission work, serving, fellowship, etc.

[Az.]

3. In Flames and Slayer sound sweet when stoned.

lmao.....yea

I dont know if he exists.....but Jesus is quite a good role model....the bible was quite a good idea though (good point hempamasta!) it has made so many peoples lives whole...

[Rarrr]

I don't belive in god the way it's depicted in the christian religion but I belive in a higher power.

[Musician]

wrong forum..

[beachguy in thongs]

do any of you believe in god and that crap? because obviously i dont.

i believe that the whole religion and god movement began long ago, and was started by sum1 who wanted to change the world into a better place, which didnt happen. sad.
Many theologists believe that religion started when language was created, personalizing the sky, the trees, etc.

No one invented the toilet seat. That dumb piece of shit retention center.

One more thing, this isn't the wrong forum because he put "and stuff". Whatever that means.

[Whos Carl]

READ AND TAKE NOTES:


GOD DIDNT MAKE MAN. MAN MADE GOD.

[friendowl]

come on homie.how can you not believe in something.do you believe in good and evil.you have to know that there is evil in the world.what about those crazy thoughts that come in to your head sometimes for no reason.where do they come from?.

i used to think like you but i had a moment of realization and theres no turning back !

[dj defibrillator]

I think whoscarl is probably right. God is likely a (natural) creation of our minds. Worship of God can bring about physical and mental changes akin to those of drugs. Quite simply, God is addictive - its spiritually uplifiting, it makes people feel secure and meaningful - gives life purpose (also gives insights into the infinite, the 'beyond.')

Unfortunately it also drives people to kill each other, start wars, and force their beliefs upon 'primitive' peoples.

[Smokin EnDo]

religion causes war, anger, and misconceptons. People who can never take credit for doing something and have to credit their make-believe friend "god" in my opinion are very disturbed sad people.

[krons]

i agree with whos carl. in the bible it says god created man in his own image, but its the othe way around, man created god in there own image.

[Whos Carl]

Lets cause some religious hatred.

[Az.]

yeah but there is no proof for any of your theories....

infact there isn't really any proof in the world.

.....the thing i dont get is.....

Jesus was God in human form right?

God said that he would not proove himself because proof denies faith....yea?

so surly Jesus was proof of God.....proof that god exists?....which in turn kinda destroyed faith....(my idea splits here!)

Idea 1:resulting in no man even reaching the gates of heaven again because no one has faith...

Idea 2:Jesus didnt actually give proof of god....he gave evidence towards it....but never proof.

......lol

[Whos Carl]

Also how did Mary get pregnant. She was either a whore OR there is something fishy around here and I am not talking about the feeding of the 5 thousand.

[beachguy in thongs]

Evil is a creation of our own minds. Evil people are wanna-bes. They just think they're evil and create actions for proof.

[Az.]

Evil is a creation of our own minds. Evil people are wanna-bes. They just think they're evil and create actions for proof.

proof of what?

there is no proof that there is evil in the world at anyone time.....none.....
you could suggest that there are a lot of evil people doing evil things right now.....but there is no proof.

im kinda losing myself in this.....so.....

i also believe in a higher power.....or one energy source...maybe water?...maybe carbon?....electricity?.....who knows....but not the christian god.....i also belive in good and evil...cause i believe in karma....so good and evil are opposites for me....evil people dont get good things happening to them.....maybe they do in life....but maybe not out of life.

[Whos Carl]

I am bored.

[beachguy in thongs]

proof of what?


Proof that they can achieve evil, such as, killing their spouse.

[Az.]

I am bored.

me too....im stuck on prince of persia....:(

[Brey]

i believe that all the religions of the world are right in a sense because they are all reffering to the same god. 2 not believe that there is some kinda higher power, some kinda universal force is, to me, being blind.
in the same sense, i think its correct 2 say that we, in some way, give god form.
religion is only stupid when ppl take it too far.

[Az.]

Proof that they can achieve evil, such as, killing their spouse.

yea that isnt really very nice is it......im lost in this thread now....dont really know what to say.....so its probly best to say nothing...lol....:)

[Roadking]

God is a little three-lettered word. It could mean dog if you spelled it backwards. All of THIS and THAT and the SuperUnKowN cannot be contained in a little three-lettered word. There's more to the picture...than meets the eye...

Hey Hey
My My

=)

[Jeff Spicoli]

there is no such thing as god

[Roadking]

How about Fibonacci numbers and the Golden Ratio? Gravity? DNA? Solids, liguids, gases? Astronomical units? The chaos theory?

There's alot going on around us. And we're on a insignificant planet travelling around an insignificant star off in the corner of some insignificant galaxy?

[Jeff Spicoli]

too much thinking

[VoidLivesOn]

This debate could put more pages in a book then the bible HAS.

This is why I'm Agnostic.Bible thumpers spend to much time believing there is a god, and Athiests spend to much time believing there isn't.

I don't give a fuck and I'll find out when I die.

[SomeGuy]

i believe that all the religions of the world are right in a sense because they are all reffering to the same god. 2 not believe that there is some kinda higher power, some kinda universal force is, to me, being blind.
in the same sense, i think its correct 2 say that we, in some way, give god form.
religion is only stupid when ppl take it too far.

Yes, I believe in some kind of higher power. I believe that pretty much all of these religeons believe in the same God, and that he may have sent a prophet or version of himself to them in some form that they would understand in their current state. I know that the bible is not completely true because of mistranslations ect....but it is still a good guide book,

Now about Science.... Personally I love science, and have become part of the whole evolution question.

hmmm...evolution...the big bang..all of that does require just as much faith as believing in God. For evolution there should be several "missing link" species which scientist are scrambling to find...even from around the Cambrien Period.
Also the big bang would break a few laws of physics.

But...if science did come up and straght up proove all of this to me someday, I would have no problem believing it. God could have been responsible for that...he is an omnipotent force and it is beyond me to wonder how it happened.

By the way...I have always wondered when high...about our misconception of time. Because it should be impossible for something to always exist right? What was before God... or the Big Bang...How could there have been particles and molecules...how is it possible for them to always to have existed? The only possible solution as I see it is we are not advanced enough to understand the true working of this universe...

Finally...Damn ...I wrote a fu*king book...
My final question is ...why is it that people have to insult christians or people of other religeons?
I personally have no problems with atheist or people of other religeous affiliations, and it seems that sometime others (including people on here) are just trying to make hate....

Later
SG

[Jeff Spicoli]

i believe in king kong, fo real

[CocaCola]

I believe that the reality you're subjected to is a reflection of your state of mind or headspace.

:upsidedow

[SomeGuy]

I believe that the reality you're subjected to is a reflection of your state of mind or headspace.

:upsidedow

Yeah....we see the real world once we get unjacked from..... THE MATRIX!
:rasta: :) :D
seriously though...interesting thought.

[beachguy in thongs]

yea that isnt really very nice is it......im lost in this thread now....dont really know what to say.....so its probly best to say nothing...lol....:)
You made me!!! I'm silencing myself, also.

[lemonboy]

My final question is ...why is it that people have to insult christians or people of other religeons?Often times "persecution" to a Christian means someone not totally and unwaveringly accepting their point of view. Discussion and debate are "insulting" because "biblical fact" says there should be no discussion and debate. (i.e "To deny the uniqueness of God, is to deny all that is written", etc, etc, etc...)

[beachguy in thongs]

I broke my silence.

http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/universe/b_bang.html

The Big Bang Theory is the dominant scientific theory about the origin of the universe. According to the big bang, the universe was created sometime between 10 billion and 20 billion years ago from a cosmic explosion that hurled matter and in all directions.

In 1927, the Belgian priest Georges Lemaître was the first to propose that the universe began with the explosion of a primeval atom. His proposal came after observing the red shift in distant nebulas by astronomers to a model of the universe based on relativity. Years later, Edwin Hubble found experimental evidence to help justify Lemaître's theory. He found that distant galaxies in every direction are going away from us with speeds proportional to their distance.

The big bang was initially suggested because it explains why distant galaxies are traveling away from us at great speeds. The theory also predicts the existence of cosmic background radiation (the glow left over from the explosion itself). The Big Bang Theory received its strongest confirmation when this radiation was discovered in 1964 by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson, who later won the Nobel Prize for this discovery.

Although the Big Bang Theory is widely accepted, it probably will never be proved; consequentially, leaving a number of tough, unanswered questions.

[mrdevious]

frankly I'm growing tired of people saying "science/evolution/big-bang requires the same faith that creationism does". bullshit, there's a BIG difference. any leading scientific theory, whether or not it's complete, is still based on a certain amount of evidence. intelligent design/creationism isn't based on evidence, it's based on other theories lack of evidence.
If I just had a nickle for every time somebody started an argument for "proof" with "well how do you explain.....". doesn't matter how people explain it, doesn't matter if they can. just because you can't explain it doesn't give god the credit by default. creationism is only possible when you present a hypothesis as a fact. IE:

Question: where did life come from?

Bob: evolution. here's my reasons why, here's the evidence we have so far.

Jim: god. my reason being that evolution is wrong here, here, and here, so it can't work.

which of course is just silly because the failure of one hypothesis does not validate the other.

[cameron123240]

interesting, extremely thoughtful replies, alas, please excuse my sumwhat "Blunt" (-no pun intended,) and "Very Forward" post, this is actually a somewhat semi interesting topic to discuss, and i agree with whoever said about it making people feel secure and so on.


hmm.

Most likely when you do die, you turn into a marijuana plant, and hapiness and relaxation get spread to those who smoke you. Yay!

[mrdevious]

Most likely when you do die, you turn into a marijuana plant, and hapiness and relaxation get spread to those who smoke you. Yay!


damn, I like that idea. in fact, maybe I'll have my body turned into fertilizer for pot plants! :)

[Fabolous]

if there is a god, why is there so many suffering in this world? why was i homless for such a long time? why does most things happen?

if there was a loving caring god out there, there would not be any anger or suffering in this fucking world we call earth......

[StOneD.aS.FuK]

GOD HATES US ALL!

[ladyM]

I dont know about God per say, but if christianity was so wonderful, why did they have to kill people to make the so called masses come to them? Why are christians the most Intolerant group of religious freaks? It was Shakespear that said 'To thine ownself be true', The bible is so full of contradictions that the truth gets lost.
A good guide for life is to 'do as you will, but harm none'. I wont live my life afraid of retribution from such a "loving" god.
Blessed Be

[sophiastarchild]

LadyM, that is why I keep away from Christianity. I'd say I'm 98% sure that you and I are of the same "religious persuasion" ... rock on, sister!

Blessed Be :)

[BizzleLuvin]

i live my life according to newtons laws, darwinism, and science, and a little feng shui and ayurveda. not god. god is the outdated explanation of the previously inexplicble, and a tangible statement of outdated morality

[Jimmicrackedcorn]

every religion is just a good story, you can believe it and live your life by it too make you happy, but accept thats just what you are doing, you are not executing a divine guideline too life that will ensure you rewards when you kick the bucket. No1 knows what lies after death, God is far to general of a term (and under the christian sense an absolute joke, terms such as 'natural evil', 'morale evil' although satisfyin to the monkey brain, have no ground, cuz if God is the all singing, all dancin, omnipotent being, he set that earthquake in to motion, so it needed to be done) and science can calculate, but doesn't ever give a set guideline for belief, it quite simply observes, and tries to visualise why this object performs in this way, under this set of conditions, then tells you there best guess, I never remember science giving me a reason not to steal or kill.
We will never grasp it cuz you on the inside looking out, plus we only ever link God to living things, of which we put ourselves on a pedestal compared to rest of the animal/plant kingdom. So take every species ever dreamt into existance, every moment that each individual that made up these species has ever experienced, the reason each one experienced it the way they did, the the effect it had on other living things and itself, and then somehow try and explain this in coincidence, with the Earths position and movement about the sun, which is also moving in a system that is approximately 80-100,000 lightyears (thats 27m with 7 zeros following it, multiplied by 80,000) containing about 200-400 billion stars, oh but wait, theres more, about 165 billion more galaxies, each containing within the region of 200-500 million stars, oh and they're all connected somehow, by a 'thing' that we can only prescribe the word 'energy' or 'God' too, and if you can somehow grasp this, you're still way way off, so it is much much easier for peace of mind to say God exists and is there to guide me, but what God is, where he is guiding me, and what is his overall message is impossible to answer, and pretty fucking pointless because even if you could grasp the knowledge, your still just a unit, made up of other units, falling on a rock, falling into infinite numbers of other rocks, and will have to deal with the importance of the 'trivialities' of the here and now (which somehow ties in with all the processes of what I jus sed), because its all that you have ever known, and will ever know, to act like your experience surpasses that what is physical, mite giv u peace of mind, but you still don't know what the fuck the physical is, let alone the metaphysical, spiritual and transdimensional, and after taking all that in to consideration, God and its classical definitions and viewpoint like Good and Evil, seem like a plaything.

[Shelbay]

I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I also believe in the ten commandments.

[Torog]

I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I also believe in the ten commandments.
Howdy Shelbay,

I second that !

I just don't understand how any toker doesn't realize,that only a loving God-could create such a beneficial plant that does so much for everyone,there's no need for evolution to evolve a plant with so many good properties that benefit the Human species,I believe that only God-in His infinite wisdom..would create such a complex set of molecules that are capable of addressing so many Human conditions.

I view those tokers who deny God..and therefore their own soul's,as being flat and one-dimensional..not much above the tape worm..what has happened to their spirituality ? How can one not feel the greater universe and the connectedness of all things,when one is sufficiently high ?

If I have offended alot of the tokers here,I apologize..you have a perfect right to view yerselves as being no greater than an animal..or a tape worm..and to live in denial of yer own immortality.

Have a good one ....

[Shelbay]

Howdy Shelbay,

I second that !

I just don't understand how any toker doesn't realize,that only a loving God-could create such a beneficial plant that does so much for everyone,there's no need for evolution to evolve a plant with so many good properties that benefit the Human species,I believe that only God-in His infinite wisdom..would create such a complex set of molecules that are capable of addressing so many Human conditions.

I view those tokers who deny God..and therefore their own soul's,as being flat and one-dimensional..not much above the tape worm..what has happened to their spirituality ? How can one not feel the greater universe and the connectedness of all things,when one is sufficiently high ?

If I have offended alot of the tokers here,I apologize..you have a perfect right to view yerselves as being no greater than an animal..or a tape worm..and to live in denial of yer own immortality.

Have a good one ....Thank You. It was great reading your post. I thought by now I would be called everything from a-z and it was a shock to see another believer. I wasn't going to post here but I felt the need. Thanks again..made my morning. :thumbsup:

[Torog]

Thank You. It was great reading your post. I thought by now I would be called everything from a-z and it was a shock to see another believer. I wasn't going to post here but I felt the need. Thanks again..made my morning. :thumbsup:
Howdy Shelbay,

It was both my honor and pleasure !:thumbsup:

You are not alone ! There are more tokers out there than just you and me,who believe in a loving God and recognize our own immortality and connection with God.

Many of these young tokers,have not lived Life long enough,to gain an insight and understanding into the true depth of what we are..they have not experienced the loss of friends and family,over a period of decades and they haven't seen the un-explainable things that happen,when someone is close to going Home.

There is most certainly a place for tokers like us,in the cannabinaut community,although I've been told many times,that there ain't.

Have a good one !

[Torog]

Howdy Shelbay,

I second that !

I just don't understand how any toker doesn't realize,that only a loving God-could create such a beneficial plant that does so much for everyone,there's no need for evolution to evolve a plant with so many good properties that benefit the Human species,I believe that only God-in His infinite wisdom..would create such a complex set of molecules that are capable of addressing so many Human conditions.

I view those tokers who deny God..and therefore their own soul's,as being flat and one-dimensional..not much above the tape worm..what has happened to their spirituality ? How can one not feel the greater universe and the connectedness of all things,when one is sufficiently high ?

If I have offended alot of the tokers here,I apologize..you have a perfect right to view yerselves as being no greater than an animal..or a tape worm..and to live in denial of yer own immortality.

Have a good one ....
BTTT

Ain't it odd...that when I accuse some of my fellow cannabinauts,of being in denial of their soul and their spirituality...that they clam up ?

Have a good one ....

[Funken Monken]

I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I also believe in the ten commandments.


Good for you. You have every right to your beleif system, but dont you want something thats a bit more....you know....there? And not so riddled with contradictions? More Christians turning their cheeks at gay weddings?

[Torog]

Good for you. You have every right to your beleif system, but dont you want something thats a bit more....you know....there? And not so riddled with contradictions? More Christians turning their cheeks at gay weddings?
Howdy Funken Monken,

And you have the right to believe,that you're not any more special-than a tape worm..or a rat.

As for gay weddings,I ain't about to turn any sort of 'cheek'..lol..God will judge them and punish them,accordingly.

Have a good one ....

[Shelbay]

BTTT

Ain't it odd...that when I accuse some of my fellow cannabinauts,of being in denial of their soul and their spirituality...that they clam up ?

Have a good one ....
Back again Torog..had to find my papers..always losing them lol.

[Shelbay]

Howdy Funken Monken,

And you have the right to believe,that you're not any more special-than a tape worm..or a rat.

As for gay weddings,I ain't about to turn any sort of 'cheek'..lol..God will judge them and punish them,accordingly.

Have a good one ....
Amen!! Thats what I say. Some of my "associates" accuse me of hate but I stand on MY beliefs..and condoning certain things such as gay marriage is not one of them. I just refuse to have politically correct crap pushed down my throat and told I have to like it. What is it with men wanting to be women and women wanting to be men these days? wow.

[Shelbay]

Good for you. You have every right to your beleif system, but dont you want something thats a bit more....you know....there? And not so riddled with contradictions? More Christians turning their cheeks at gay weddings?
Say what you want about contradictions..your right to say what you please. But I have all I need and want thank you. Being a christian does not guarantee me a life of roses but when I needed Him (God) most he is ALWAYS here for me and I love him..always have and always will.

[sharpezor]

cameron123240 you are a fucking idiot. how old are you 10? go away.

[Funken Monken]

Torog Sir! Good to hear from you - its been a while (work..you name it). If you could see me right now, you'd know my hat was raised!

If there is a big G, let him do the judging, not the followers, as apparently its his will, so let him sort it out. If there is a god, no doubt he's big enough to sort it out on his own without any help. But man - dont you just want a 'something' to make it more than a blind faith?

Have your beleifs...just keep them! And tell them others to stop contradicting themselves!

[Torog]

Amen!! Thats what I say. Some of my "associates" accuse me of hate but I stand on MY beliefs..and condoning certain things such as gay marriage is not one of them. I just refuse to have politically correct crap pushed down my throat and told I have to like it. What is it with men wanting to be women and women wanting to be men these days? wow.
Howdy Shelbay,

Well..I'm old enough to tell you,that the feminization of men and the masculinization of women,started with modern liberalism and the rise of feminists. The Left wants us to be a nation of "girly-men",real men-need not apply. I do believe that women should have equal rights,equal pay and should participate politically,in their communities and across the nation..but not at the expense of a man's manhood..or at the expense of a woman's womanhood.

Have a good one !

[Shelbay]

Howdy Shelbay,

Well..I'm old enough to tell you,that the feminization of men and the masculinization of women,started with modern liberalism and the rise of feminists. The Left wants us to be a nation of "girly-men",real men-need not apply. I do believe that women should have equal rights,equal pay and should participate politically,in their communities and across the nation..but not at the expense of a man's manhood..or at the expense of a woman's womanhood.

Have a good one !
haha..Once again thanks. I guess I come from the "old school" as in as a woman I expect respect BUT I also believe the MAN (a real one) should be the head of the Home..make final decisions etc....Though I must say these days it would seem difficult for the younger ones because Beating a woman into submission is not respect. I was raised Southern Baptist but had to leave that church after I was released from prison and no longer acceptable to them but I have found a church recently that I do believe I will fit in with...and a great community. Thank You Lord!:)

[Torog]

Torog Sir! Good to hear from you - its been a while (work..you name it). If you could see me right now, you'd know my hat was raised!

If there is a big G, let him do the judging, not the followers, as apparently its his will, so let him sort it out. If there is a god, no doubt he's big enough to sort it out on his own without any help. But man - dont you just want a 'something' to make it more than a blind faith?

Have your beleifs...just keep them! And tell them others to stop contradicting themselves!
Howdy Funken Monken,

My hat is off as well, Howdy !

Well..it would be nice to prove the nay-sayers wrong..but that would mean serious consequences are occurring,if God or Jesus,were to prove themselves to the un-believers. God doesn't need to prove His existance to that which and whom,He created..but He will certainly prove that He's both an loving God ..and a wrathful God,when the time comes.

Well..I reckon that if y'all can express yer dis-belief..then I have every right to express my belief. As for contradiction,we will all always be contradicting ourselves,because such is in the nature of Man.

Have a good one ....

[Funken Monken]

As for contradiction,we will all always be contradicting ourselves,because such is in the nature of Man.

...


THAT, Sir, is something I think we ALL agree on!!

[ADaisyChain]

brb

[Torog]

haha..Once again thanks. I guess I come from the "old school" as in as a woman I expect respect BUT I also believe the MAN (a real one) should be the head of the Home..make final decisions etc....Though I must say these days it would seem difficult for the younger ones because Beating a woman into submission is not respect. I was raised Southern Baptist but had to leave that church after I was released from prison and no longer acceptable to them but I have found a church recently that I do believe I will fit in with...and a great community. Thank You Lord!:)
Howdy Shelbay,

I believe as you do..but many folks who aren't Christian,think that Christian men expect their wives to serve the man,like he's a slave-master,when in fact-serving one another..is what really happens. It's a 2 way street of serving one another and cherishing one another,in a Christian household..not one-sided as many folks believe.

I too,am a recent 'jail-bird' and with my long hair and beard,I doubt if my Church would want me around either,I'm happy that you found a church that will accept you,unconditionally .:thumbsup: Praise the Lord,indeed !:)

Have a good one !

[Torog]

THAT, Sir, is something I think we ALL agree on!!
Howdy Funken Monken,

Amen to that ! lol

Have a good one !

[Shelbay]

Howdy Shelbay,

I believe as you do..but many folks who aren't Christian,think that Christian men expect their wives to serve the man,like he's a slave-master,when in fact-serving one another..is what really happens. It's a 2 way street of serving one another and cherishing one another,in a Christian household..not one-sided as many folks believe.

I too,am a recent 'jail-bird' and with my long hair and beard,I doubt if my Church would want me around either,I'm happy that you found a church that will accept you,unconditionally .:thumbsup: Praise the Lord,indeed !:)

Have a good one !
I will pray for you about that Torog...we will :) One or more in his name :) I serve my husband with pride..he works hard!! Like 16-18 hour days for weeks at a time. Hes not home much but when he does get here I have his food hot and ready,the remote is his lol..then I actually run his bath water for him..even wash his hair lol. I enjoy doing that for him and more because the day he came in looking sooo worn out and looked at me and he said....It's good to be home,now I know why people fight so hard to keep it...that was my defining moment to give him control. Anyway some of my younger friends actually believe he controls me lol....they just don't know what they are missing. :smokin: We share the same faith also..actually the only subject we agree on lol. :stoned: I have enjoyed meeting you on here Torog.

[Torog]

I will pray for you about that Torog...we will :) One or more in his name :) I serve my husband with pride..he works hard!! Like 16-18 hour days for weeks at a time. Hes not home much but when he does get here I have his food hot and ready,the remote is his lol..then I actually run his bath water for him..even wash his hair lol. I enjoy doing that for him and more because the day he came in looking sooo worn out and looked at me and he said....It's good to be home,now I know why people fight so hard to keep it...that was my defining moment to give him control. Anyway some of my younger friends actually believe he controls me lol....they just don't know what they are missing. :smokin: We share the same faith also..actually the only subject we agree on lol. :stoned: I have enjoyed meeting you on here Torog.
Howdy Shelbay,

Thanx for yer kind words and prayers,I will pray for y'all as well:thumbsup:

I too,like to take care of my gal,after she comes back from a long day in the city..it don't mean that she's got me whupped either,I cherish her and respect her and she takes good care of me too. We raise each other up-when the other is down..and we give each other,unconditional love,we've been together for 10 years now and we haven't had a single argument or angry words towards each other..and when we disagree-we agree to do so and move on.

I too,have enjoyed meeting you and I'm glad that yer here !

Have a good one !

[Nochowderforyou]

do any of you believe in god and that crap? because obviously i dont.

i believe that the whole religion and god movement began long ago, and was started by sum1 who wanted to change the world into a better place, which didnt happen. sad.

I don't really believe in God, but I don't have problems anymore with people who do. If believing in something helps them get through their day, makes them happy, so let them believe, but I choose to be my own person, my own God. I just don't like it when religious folks try and change other people. If I choose not to follow God, then I get looked down on by people who do. They ring my doorbell at 8am every Sat. morning giving me a flyer and a few choice words, thinking that that is going to change the world...what's worse about that, is they get paid and make money when they do.

But hey, whatever makes people happy, but stop trying to change the world.

"If you serve God for money, then you serve the Devil"

[beachguy in thongs]

god is the outdated explanation of the previously inexplicble, and a tangible statement of outdated morality
So, you're saying we can now explain the creation of man? :smokin:

[lemonboy]

Torog: Just don't tell her your girlfriend is a Jew or you may find that newfound friendship dangling by a thread. She doesn't hate. No, no. She just doesn't want "that politically correct crap pushed down [her] throat."

It is extremely interesting to find out both you and Shelbay have been in jail/prison after I already had a chance to read a lot of what you had written. I'm involved in the planning stages of a Christian outreach group dealing mostly with inmate addiction. Including drugs (obviously) but other addictions as well like kleptomania. Really anything and everything. I was initially concerned about approaching these problems from a religious perspective. There is a real chance to replace one addiction with another. Anyone that has ever been to a Christian church has met people that are indeed addicted to religion. I can't say you've calmed my fears.

You know... "meeting god half-way" is not an expression you hear used very often these days. He seems so cold without that little bit of humanity.

[CocaCola]

I think all you non-believers are idiots! It's God who controls everything and watches over us!


God, I can't help it, I laugh whenever I think about how ludicrous that sounds.

The bible is a story... It's a book... like, what is so hard to believe. I guess it's completely inconseivable that there ISN'T a magic all-powerful being, when we have NO prove of it's existence? There is prove of evolution... maybe there are holes but how can there not be, when it's a fairly new concept and no human was around for the beginning. God is a concept so old and it's STILL filled with holes (While we are finding new things about evolution all the time) and plus, there is NO PROVE.

I don't care, it's just funny to me, that's all.

[Shelbay]

:smokin:
Torog: Just don't tell her your girlfriend is a Jew or you may find that newfound friendship dangling by a thread. She doesn't hate. No, no. She just doesn't want "that politically correct crap pushed down [her] throat."

It is extremely interesting to find out both you and Shelbay have been in jail/prison after I already had a chance to read a lot of what you had written. I'm involved in the planning stages of a Christian outreach group dealing mostly with inmate addiction. Including drugs (obviously) but other addictions as well like kleptomania. Really anything and everything. I was initially concerned about approaching these problems from a religious perspective. There is a real chance to replace one addiction with another. Anyone that has ever been to a Christian church has met people that are indeed addicted to religion. I can't say you've calmed my fears.

You know... "meeting god half-way" is not an expression you hear used very often these days. He seems so cold without that little bit of humanity.
Why do persist in telling lies on here..just to spout hate out of your mouth?? You know you never answered the question either.You have issues with me because once again I spoke my opinion and you could not answer my questio :smokin: nabout the Numbers correct. Right. As for your slug about why we were both in prison..it is none of your concern. You didn't have to include me in your post to state your opinion on religion..you just like insulting me and twisting my posts..but hey thats your burden.You know nothing about me except what you read on here..if you don't like me fine but please stop attempting to interfere with every thread I post on....or at the least when you can't answer a question don't lie okay..okay. :smokin:

[lemonboy]

:smokin:
Why do persist in telling lies on here..just to spout hate out of your mouth?? You know you never answered the question either.You have issues with me because once again I spoke my opinion and you could not answer my questio :smokin: nabout the Numbers correct. Right. As for your slug about why we were both in prison..it is none of your concern. You didn't have to include me in your post to state your opinion on religion..you just like insulting me and twisting my posts..but hey thats your burden.You know nothing about me except what you read on here..if you don't like me fine but please stop attempting to interfere with every thread I post on....or at the least when you can't answer a question don't lie okay..okay. :smokin:Lies? Of course they are lies. Not a simple misunderstanding or a misinterpretation of your words but I am a liar. You're EXACTLY right. I only know what I read about you. So, correct or clarify but don't call me a liar.

I made no judgments about you being in prison. Like I said I am involved in prison outreach and I wouldn't be if I didn't want to. How can you bash that? As for me interfering with "every thread" you post on. This is the second, it wasn't directed at you, and I will reply to any thread I like.

There is no need to over-react and get upset. This is an internet forum meant for discussion not just smiles and nods. You have your values... fantastic. So do I.

[Shelbay]

Lies? Of course they are lies. Not a simple misunderstanding or a misinterpretation of your words but I am a liar. You're EXACTLY right. I only know what I read about you. So, correct or clarify but don't call me a liar.

I made no judgments about you being in prison. Like I said I am involved in prison outreach and I wouldn't be if I didn't want to. How can you bash that? As for me interfering with "every thread" you post on. This is the second, it wasn't directed at you, and I will reply to any thread I like.

There is no need to over-react and get upset. This is an internet forum meant for discussion not just smiles and nods. You have your values... fantastic. So do I.
haha...NOW i know what YOUR problem is...hahaha..nothing to do with this is it?? lol..thanks for the email you know who. :thumbsup: And you are a liar..try smiling instead of arrogance. I can't believe I forgot our "first" discussion. Hope your finances are in better shape.Really. :smokin:

[mrdevious]

Howdy Shelbay,

I second that !

I just don't understand how any toker doesn't realize,that only a loving God-could create such a beneficial plant that does so much for everyone,there's no need for evolution to evolve a plant with so many good properties that benefit the Human species,I believe that only God-in His infinite wisdom..would create such a complex set of molecules that are capable of addressing so many Human conditions.

I view those tokers who deny God..and therefore their own soul's,as being flat and one-dimensional..not much above the tape worm..what has happened to their spirituality ? How can one not feel the greater universe and the connectedness of all things,when one is sufficiently high ?

If I have offended alot of the tokers here,I apologize..you have a perfect right to view yerselves as being no greater than an animal..or a tape worm..and to live in denial of yer own immortality.

Have a good one ....

Greetings torog.

First, although I do not believe in god, I still have my spirituality. I know your faith in god has been very spiritually fullfiling, and I'm sure it's all you'll need. but there are those, like myself, who can find their spiritual fullfilment elsewhere, in my case through the teachings of Buddha.

In my case, and that of many other people, I decided to seek guidance elsewhere because I just can't bring myself to believe in god. I was raised christian, but I've researched every debate, every argument, every article I could find to prove the existence of god, and it all fell flat in it's logic. I've searched relentlessly for years, but I've yet to find a single argument that wasn't fallable.

Believe me, there is nothing more I'd like than to believe in god. To find out that we're all taken care of, that justice will innevitably be served for all, that I'll never die. There are actually times when I envy those who believe in god, to live securely in the knowledge of such a wonderfull existence. I'd be the most happy person on earth if I found out that it was all true, but I personally can't believe something just because I want to (I'm not saying that's the case for you or anybody in particular).

However, I see your spirituality has made you a pretty respectable person, so to each is own I guess.

[lemonboy]

Actually I haven't a clue what you are talking about but I suppose I'll let it rest. I'm not really comfortable with where you are taking this and am frankly surprised. I value my safety and security a lot and expect others would as well.

[Ganj]

if you believe in god -- you believe in all gods. in death, religion was created as a form of control. "anything is possible with god", which is why i firmly believe that if we all believed in ourselves with the kind of faith people worship to god(s) --we, too, could create a wholesome reality.

[Euphoric]

christians..those dudes who killed all those kitties b/c they thought they were evil? was that before or after the children's crusade :confused:

[Zinnia]

Graffiti on the wall at my school:

"Like it or not, God made pot"

[Oneironaut]

I figure out the God thing a couple years after I figured out the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. It wasn't that hard, for me at least. But most people still can't see that there's as much evidence going for God as there is for the other ones. It's a culturally transmitted idea, passed from generation to generation by parents and society, not an actual entity.

[SomeGuy]

christians..those dudes who killed all those kitties b/c they thought they were evil? was that before or after the children's crusade :confused:

Someone been reading Vonnegut?

Hey Torog and Shelbay...Im with Yall, though Im only 17...guess I dont have as much of that lifetime experience as you guys:p.
peace
SG :thumbsup:

[CocaCola]

It's a culturally transmitted idea, passed from generation to generation by parents and society, not an actual entity.

THANK YOU

[BizzleLuvin]

So, you're saying we can now explain the creation of man? :smokin:
man was not CREATED, he evolved from circumstance

[Torog]

Torog: Just don't tell her your girlfriend is a Jew or you may find that newfound friendship dangling by a thread. She doesn't hate. No, no. She just doesn't want "that politically correct crap pushed down [her] throat."

It is extremely interesting to find out both you and Shelbay have been in jail/prison after I already had a chance to read a lot of what you had written. I'm involved in the planning stages of a Christian outreach group dealing mostly with inmate addiction. Including drugs (obviously) but other addictions as well like kleptomania. Really anything and everything. I was initially concerned about approaching these problems from a religious perspective. There is a real chance to replace one addiction with another. Anyone that has ever been to a Christian church has met people that are indeed addicted to religion. I can't say you've calmed my fears.

You know... "meeting god half-way" is not an expression you hear used very often these days. He seems so cold without that little bit of humanity.
Howdy lemonboy,

Can you explain more fully,what you mean by 'interesting' ?

Have a good one ...

[Torog]

I figure out the God thing a couple years after I figured out the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. It wasn't that hard, for me at least. But most people still can't see that there's as much evidence going for God as there is for the other ones. It's a culturally transmitted idea, passed from generation to generation by parents and society, not an actual entity.
Howdy Oneironaut,

How old are you ? If yer a youngun,and you think that you have it all figured out--yer in for a rude awakening. I've found out,after 46 years of living on this here earth,that just when ya think you have it all figured out-something comes along to let ya know that yer wrong. Are you married ? Have you raised a family yet ? How many folks have you stood by,as they laid on their death-bed ?

Have a good one ....

[VoidLivesOn]

Good discussion, BUMP

[scobbie]

he walked on water he fed thousands with a loaf he cured the sick he died for our sin ,what a load of shit
i was brought up by monks in a secure unit for troubled kids and they done a good job, fuckin cunts ,

[mrdevious]

Howdy Oneironaut,

How old are you ? If yer a youngun,and you think that you have it all figured out--yer in for a rude awakening. I've found out,after 46 years of living on this here earth,that just when ya think you have it all figured out-something comes along to let ya know that yer wrong. Are you married ? Have you raised a family yet ? How many folks have you stood by,as they laid on their death-bed ?

Have a good one ....

well, I'm sure being so young he doesn't have it all figured out. and neither do you, neither do I, neither does the pope, the president, or that guy on the streets telling us the world is about to end. but we can all still explore philisophical and logical standpoints and make decisions for ourselves, the trick for anybody is to not entirely dismiss any idea, just pick the one you think makes most sense.

[SensiRide]

Greetings torog.

First, although I do not believe in god, I still have my spirituality. I know your faith in god has been very spiritually fullfiling, and I'm sure it's all you'll need. but there are those, like myself, who can find their spiritual fullfilment elsewhere, in my case through the teachings of Buddha.

In my case, and that of many other people, I decided to seek guidance elsewhere because I just can't bring myself to believe in god. I was raised christian, but I've researched every debate, every argument, every article I could find to prove the existence of god, and it all fell flat in it's logic. I've searched relentlessly for years, but I've yet to find a single argument that wasn't fallable.

Believe me, there is nothing more I'd like than to believe in god. To find out that we're all taken care of, that justice will innevitably be served for all, that I'll never die. There are actually times when I envy those who believe in god, to live securely in the knowledge of such a wonderfull existence. I'd be the most happy person on earth if I found out that it was all true, but I personally can't believe something just because I want to (I'm not saying that's the case for you or anybody in particular).

However, I see your spirituality has made you a pretty respectable person, so to each is own I guess.


Well said. Personally, I like the principles of Buddhism though Im not by any means a Buddhist.

You can have a murdering extremist who believes in Allah or a person who doesnt, though lives their life respecting others, being kind and never doing any bad deeds - I dont believe for 1 minute the latter would go to 'hell' for not believing in God.
I think religion is an ancient method of controling the masses.
I'm not saying that is the truth, but that is my opinion.
Nobody will know the real truth till they die.

[Kurupt3Z3]

I dont believe in god either. People always say they believe in god because they love him and all that shit but its all just a defense mechanism. They wouldnt 'love' god if they werent scared shitless and told they would spend eternity in hell if they didnt by their parents, preachers, peers, whoever. And to say that because evil exists god probably exists is a complete misunderstanding of the concepts of good and evil. Just like any other man made concepts, good and evil are completely subjective, and thus really have no place in any scientific discussion of anything whatsoever. Good and evil are like fat and skinny, while i may consider someone to be a fat bitch, someone else may find them attractive and want them to be their babys momma or some bullshit like that, i dont know, you know what i mean...

[sweetnhighz]

i see evil everywhere so therefore i believe there is good and evil. if there is sooo much evil out here then there must be good so i believe there is a god of somesort. i do not understand the reasonings for why there is hell on earth right now but i believe if you know the difference between right and wrong and you choose to be good to everything then you will get some reward after death. now if you decide to do evil to something for whatever horrible reason then you will have a horrible karma when everything is said and done and over with.......soooo i think ill stick with whats right and go from there.

[Kurupt3Z3]

the concccepts of right and wrong are just as subjective as good and evil. They are man made labels, used to explain the actions of men. I dont understand how you people cant see that concepts that we use on a daily basis such as good-evil, right-wrong, black-white, ect-ect....are made by us and completely sustained by us. We are the only thing that allows these concepts to exist and keep them going. And if such concepts are created by man, then there is really no reason to be bringing god into an arguement of good and evil when they are merely labels used by animals that think they know a lot more shit than they actually do and there is no solid definition of either....chyyeeea

[Musician]

lmao kurupt the mental-ill raper is back

how was your blowjob by this retarded 20 years old ugly chick?

did your dad molest you again?

[mrdevious]

lmao kurupt the mental-ill raper is back

how was your blowjob by this retarded 20 years old ugly chick?

did your dad molest you again?

wow man.... there's something you either should or shouldn't be taking.

[Kurupt3Z3]

nice try man but im not one to kiss and tell

[BizzleLuvin]

the concccepts of right and wrong are just as subjective as good and evil. They are man made labels, used to explain the actions of men. I dont understand how you people cant see that concepts that we use on a daily basis such as good-evil, right-wrong, black-white, ect-ect....are made by us and completely sustained by us. We are the only thing that allows these concepts to exist and keep them going. And if such concepts are created by man, then there is really no reason to be bringing god into an arguement of good and evil when they are merely labels used by animals that think they know a lot more shit than they actually do and there is no solid definition of either....chyyeeea


agreed

[Funken Monken]

As Darwins rotweiler recently quoted, there are evil people doign eveil things, and good people doing good things. Only with relegion do you have good people doing evil things

[Shelbay]

As Darwins rotweiler recently quoted, there are evil people doign eveil things, and good people doing good things. Only with relegion do you have good people doing evil things
Why do you think that? Just curious.

[Funken Monken]

Why do you think that? Just curious.

I'm quoting, not necessarily thinking, but I think its a very accuate statement. And I wont attribute it to any 1 relegion or to its followers; I think its relevant to any relegion. The best example I can muster (off the top of my head, but rest assured its real) is the guy who was a fundamentalist christian who, acting on the word of his god, shot a Doctor because he worked at a clinic that conducted early term terminations. A doctor with a family and kids. Because of a belief a good man did evil, because he though it was good . You could I suppose extend that to suicide bombers as well, or anyone who will kill for a belief system.

But basically, wrong done under pretense.

[Az.]

You say science is your belief because it shows you facts....

science doesn't proove anything....The problem with 'proof', of course, is that it connotes certainty and completion. But scientific inquiry is never completed, and nor are its verdicts infallible. Nothing is set in stone or held to be beyond question. So, we might think, nothing is ever "proved".

Should we say that proof is merely "evidence so strong that it would be unreasonable to deny the supported conclusion"? Well, that's not quite good enough, for that would allow us to prove things that are actually (if surprisingly) false. So, as for knowledge, we must supplement the justification requirement with a truth requirement. If the conclusion is not true, then it cannot be known or proved.

.....I can't really be bothered to go on...you get the idea...There is no proof of anything scientific/religious they just present ideas that support their hypothesis...

[imno007]

I can't prove that God or something like Him or She or It doesn't exist some where (just like I can't prove that a thousand-foot purple guy isn't doing cartwheels some where out there), but religion exists to make us feel better about dying. If we didn't die, we would have no reason for gods or religion, because we could accomplish everything we needed or wanted on our own, though it might take a few million years....

[dreadydrug]

Religion & science are very similar, they are both made up of theories, the only difference in my mind is that science has much more believable theories & I will carry on believing science, until the day some fucking thing slaps me around the face & tells me thereâ??s no such thing as time or space or even life.
I hate religion, but donâ??t get me wrong im not racist or anything, I donâ??t like RELIGION, I have nothing against religious people, apart from the people who set up the religion in the first place & those who try to force in on others, everyone has the right to believe in what they want. I like certain ideas in religion but I hate the thing itself.
Now weâ??ve got that cleared up. The majority thinks religion is BS yeah? Therefore the pope, all the bishops & priests etc are professional bullshitters!!! hahahahahahaha

[Az.]

I hate religion, but donâ??t get me wrong im not racist or anything, I donâ??t like RELIGION,
LOL....dude racism is thinking your better than somone because of where they are from in the world. I dont knwo what being against religion is called....i know hating jewish people is antisemitism....maybe its Secularism....or Antireligion.........or maybe Antitheism.....who knows......hopefully someone cause i would like to know....lol