China is going to take over the world...

[VoidLivesOn]

Anyone else agree with this?

I think so, slowly but surely.

[mfactor420]

Anyone else agree with this?

I think so, slowly but surely.

Yup, that could be quite true. They've already taken over the banking system where I live. Ever heard of Hongcouver? They make up over 3 billion people which is about half the world's population. I once heard a Chinese girl tell a white girl to sit down and shut up and that Chinese people were taking over the world. This was 10+ years ago and the girls were just early teens. Out of the mouths of babes . . . .

Meanwhile, we are all worried about lordbushit and Condom Rice. LOL

Let's see what psycho4bud says about this.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

condom rice... :D

[eg420ne]

Yes China taking over its the poster child for the U.N.. They already own our debt, as soon as U.S. fully becomes a 3rd world nation then China will become the new beacon of the world...Enjoy it while you can....

[Psycho4Bud]

Anything is possible....they have an undervalued currency and don't give a shit about human rights, safe working conditions, or more less, anything that the people bitch about in the states.

We just morned the loss of 12 miners and the press went wild about the unsafe working conditions. The Chinese lose 5000 per year.

[eg420ne]

Heres another one mfactor420 -----Colon bowels---- Well if we can get a responsable govt then we may have a chance in the good ol USA to ward off this bad karma or evil in the U.S....Pretty soon we wont be able to chat like we are now its way tooo much info getting out the people...I dont want to learn a new language......lol

[eg420ne]

Ya china dont give a shit about its people that why the U.N loves em to death

[mfactor420]

Heres another one mfactor420 -----Colon bowels---- Well if we can get a responsable govt then we may have a chance in the good ol USA to ward off this bad karma or evil in the U.S....Pretty soon we wont be able to chat like we are now its way tooo much info getting out the people...I dont want to learn a new language......lol

What??? you don't know how to say "Kung Hai fat choy!" and "Nei ho ma?" :D
Shame on you. :)

I'll have to go through my joke book as there is one I received about Cheny, Powell and Bush. Something about being a dick, an lower intestine and a cunt. It's hilarious. When I find it, I will post. :thumbsup:

:confused: What I want to know is which one is Damien?

[Psycho4Bud]

:confused: What I want to know is which one is Damien?

LOL...My grandsons name is Damien Xavier. :thumbsup:

[mfactor420]

LOL...My grandsons name is Damien Xavier. :thumbsup:

Sorry, I didn't mean anything anything personal. I'm sure you know I was referring to the Omen movies and Damien Thorn. :D

[Psycho4Bud]

Sorry, I didn't mean anything anything personal. I'm sure you know I was referring to the Omen movies and Damien Thorn. :D

LOL...no big deal. Figures my grandson would have a name like that. :thumbsup: Have a good one!!

[Fengzi]

It will be interesting to see where China is ten years from now. The change from 10 years ago is unbelievable. When I lived in Shanghai back in '96-'97 it still had some of that "communist" feel to it. Drab concrete buildings, one brand of toilet paper in the stores, etc. The last time I was there was last February and it was a completely different place. In less than ten years they have created an entirely new city. New highways, new subways, and some of the tallest buildings in the world, etc. My father just came back from his first trip there and he was amazed. He's been all over the world and said Shanghai was the most modern place he's ever seen.

It's not just the infrastructure but the people are changing very quickly too. Its hard to explain but many of them have become much more worldly and modern. They're buying cars, investing in real estate, becomming millionaires($'s not Yuan), and becomming much more sophisticated. The first time I was there most people, even the city folk, were pretty much hicks. People would literally stare at me because I was a foriegner. I don't mean look at me and then turn away when they saw I noticed. They would fucking come up and stare, looking at me like I was some exotic animal or something. Now nobody even gives me a second look.

One of the biggest problems China faces right now is the massive disparity between the rich and the poor. While some people are making US$500k+ a year a huge portion of the population is making US$1000 a year or less. 10 years ago a family could live reasonable well on $1000 a year. Now, however, with the inflationary pressure generated by the new wealthy class $1k just doesn't cut it. To make matters worse, the government doesn't take care of people the way it used to. Medical care and housing used to be pretty lousy when it was handed out by the communist government but lousey is better than non-existant.

The other, even bigger, problem is that for all their modernization and change the govt has changed very little and the country is still bogged down by corruption and outragoues bureaucracy. They've also put so much focus on making Shanghai, Beijing, and Shenzhen into ultra modern cities that they've forgotten to modernize the rest of the country. A typical example: China desperately wants to build its semiconductor industry and has created massive hi-tech parks, gives incentives to companies that invest there, etc. My company sells U.S. made semiconductor manufacturing equipment in China (say what you will :cool: ). We recently had an order from a state run company in China. They needed the equipment urgently but it took 6 months for our customer to get the paperwork done to import the equipment. Now apply this reasoning to every aspect of business, law, society, etc. and you see the problem. It's like they're trying to put a Lamborghini engine into a go-cart. Sooner or later it's going to crash.

So, take over the world? Doubtfully. If the system doesn't change soon they're more likely to implode on themselves. Then it's anyones guess. If it does change, which it hopefully will, I see them becoming more like Japan. They'll dominate in some industries but will take their place in a civilized world.


















Or some hard line general will just nuke us all.

[kidcharlemane]

The Chinese have no chance of taking over the world. It takes more than a big economy to do so. A nation must have the power of invention. China only has the power to emulate or copy.
In 1990 everybody thought the Japanese were about to buy America. They tried but then the internet boom happenned and where are they now?

Asian school systems kill creativity. They create robotic people who can only hope to catch up. The next big invention will leave them where they are now; trying to catch up.

If the Chinese were to ever decide to be Chinese they could rule the world. But I do not see this happening, as their last great contributions to humanity were their philosophies, over two thousand years ago. Right now you see them acting like a conquered race. Selling their own into wage slavery.

[Esoteric416]

Asian school systems kill creativity?
Have you ever heard of japanese Anime? It's some of the most creative and interesting art in the world.

[kidcharlemane]

I guess they got that by studying math ten hours day. Yes the Japanese have the best animation. So what? You have named a single thing. They did not invent animation, they improved on it, just like a Toyota is better than a Dodge.
I did not say Asian school systems stifle ALL creativity. But they stifle most of it.

[Esoteric416]

Have you ever been to school in asia?
I'm not saying I disagree compleately but you are making statements that are too generalized.
Oh and asians invented martial arts. That has to count for something.

[mfactor420]

just like a Toyota is better than a Dodge.


:mad: Hey, watch it! I own a Dodge and no way is a Toyota better. The Japanese may have brought us some good things, but cars wasn't one of them. In an environmental perspective, no car is good. :(


I've been in Asian schools and they are better than N.A. schools. They don't stifle creativity. :thumbsup:

[kidcharlemane]

I teach school in Asia. First of all the martial arts are a truly an asian invention, not from the current decade. They have been around from way back when Asians were Asians.(see above in reference to Chinese philosophy). I would say that at one time their civilization was superior. But at this time they are living in a western world competing with the west. Students study Mathematics, Science, English and their own language and history. A typical Taiwanese kid gets up at 6am and goes to bed after midnight. They go to school on weekends and evenings. I know kids who have to go to class every Sunday at 7am. This stifles the human spirit. All to achieve a better test score.
They are not studyiing the martial arts and they are not learning about art. They are preparing to be Doctors, computer engineers etc....I have never seen a parent NOT
discourage an inclination to be a writer or an artist.
My experience has been in China and Taiwan. (ten + years) I have also worked in Thailand(a much more laid back place). Japan is widely known to be more uptight that any of these places.
I am not saying that these countries are stupid or that they suck in any way. But I do think that they are copying western civilization and Eastern civilization is going away.

I agree Mfactor 420...cars do suck. But Japanese cars are better than your dodge. Sorry....

[nicholasstanko]

If china or japan were to take over, it would be nobody's fault except the westerners. Don't forget that both cultures were quite content with their own respective idealogies, until the "white devils" began trading munitions with them.

So, just like america, modernization always comes as a direct result of warfare.

[mfactor420]

I agree Mfactor 420...cars do suck. But Japanese cars are better than your dodge. Sorry....

Have you ever done your own auto mechanics, or do you take yours to the shop? :confused: If you do your own mechanics, you will know immediately a Dodge is better than a Toyota. Even a Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily & Found On Road Dead) is better than a Toyota. Like I said, you got to be willing to spend some time under the hood. Then you'll know. :thumbsup:

Ever wondered why Asian cars are called "Jap Crap" by people in the automotive industry? :D

[Fengzi]

kidcharlemane is 100% correct about Asian schools. Little room is left for individual creative thought. My wife, a product of the Chinese school system, was amazed when she first came to the U.S. and learned that public schools offered classes like art and music. It is the focus on strict education, however, that could just propel them ahead of us technologically within the next 10-15 years. Especially considering the state of our own educational system and the exact opposite value of education many Americans seem to have now.

I live in the Silicon Valley and I can tell you that the average employee roster for a high tech company reads like a Chinese phone book. Who do you think is coming up with all of the new high tech gadgets that China is copying? It's Asians living here in the U.S.. Again,take my wife, someone who has never seen the inside of an Ameican school or college, as an example. She is an expert in speech recognition and natural language processing. A few years ago she developed a revolutionary new system for speech recognition which is now patent pending. Currently she's designing software that allows computers to understand language. Not just recognize words and commands but actually understand the meaning of what's been said. Real artificial intelligence. The point is, even if the Asian educational system develops little robots who aren't prone to coming up with radical new inventions, they will perfect the shit out of them.

There is a town in the Silcon Valley called Cupertino. Cupertino is about 60% Asian and about 85% of high school kids in the town are Asian. As a school district Cupertino has the highest scores in the country. And guess which high school is #1 in the U.S.? The one in Cupertino whose student body is about 90% Chinese!

In the 15th or 16th century China was far more advanced than the rest of the world. They were the ones who invented gunpowder, the compass, moveable type, and paper. They also perfected ocean going ships and had an enormous navy which the Emporer sent out to the rest of the world to see what was out there. When they came back several years later they reported that the rest of the world was primitive and had nothing to offer. They shut out the rest of the world and became complacent.

Yes, now China, and the rest of Asia, are playing catch up. But for how long? China's high tech industry has advanced as much in the last ten years as ours has in the last 30. Plus, as living conditions in China improve, at least for the educated and wealthy, many of the Chinese engineers who have been living in the U.S are heading back. Before long they will have learned all they can from our inventions and start coming up with their own.

What worries me the most is that I think we have become complacent. Our educational system is deplorable. Kids aren't held back or given failing grades because it may be bad for their self esteem. A paper that would have gotten me a grade of C- when I was in school 19 years ago now gets an A. 30%+ of students entering the California State University system need remedial Math and English. And yet, they all had good grades in these subjects in high school. The big fight over high school exit exams shows where our values are. The argument was that kids had a right to get their high school diploma and exit exams would prevent a lot of them from getting them. But don't the exams just test the knowledge that the kids should be getting? If they can't pass the test they don't have the knowledge and shouldn't get the diploma. We place such a high value on the diploma, a fucking sheet of paper. Asians, however, value the knowledge.

If China does take over the world its not going to be with their military, its going to be with their brains. And, it's going to be our own fault.

[Fengzi]

Have you ever done your own auto mechanics, or do you take yours to the shop? :confused: If you do your own mechanics, you will know immediately a Dodge is better than a Toyota. Even a Ford (Fix Or Repair Daily & Found On Road Dead) is better than a Toyota. Like I said, you got to be willing to spend some time under the hood. Then you'll know. :thumbsup:

Ever wondered why Asian cars are called "Jap Crap" by people in the automotive industry? :D

I'm not a mechanic by any means but I have owned cars. I had a Honda, then a Dodge, then the next car I bought ...(drumroll please).....another Honda. I've had far fewer problems in my 12 years of Honda ownership than my 3 years of Dodge ownership. So, while I can't make any comment on what's under the hood I can comment on # of days in the shop and based on my experience, I won't be setting foot on the lot of another Dodge dealership.

[nicholasstanko]

kidcharlemane is 100% correct about Asian schools. Little room is left for individual creative thought. My wife, a product of the Chinese school system, was amazed when she first came to the U.S. and learned that public schools offered classes like art and music. It is the focus on strict education, however, that could just propel them ahead of us technologically within the next 10-15 years. Especially considering the state of our own educational system and the exact opposite value of education many Americans seem to have now.

I live in the Silicon Valley and I can tell you that the average employee roster for a high tech company reads like a Chinese phone book. Who do you think is coming up with all of the new high tech gadgets that China is copying? It's Asians living here in the U.S.. Again,take my wife, someone who has never seen the inside of an Ameican school or college, as an example. She is an expert in speech recognition and natural language processing. A few years ago she developed a revolutionary new system for speech recognition which is now patent pending. Currently she's designing software that allows computers to understand language. Not just recognize words and commands but actually understand the meaning of what's been said. Real artificial intelligence. The point is, even if the Asian educational system develops little robots who aren't prone to coming up with radical new inventions, they will perfect the shit out of them.

There is a town in the Silcon Valley called Cupertino. Cupertino is about 60% Asian and about 85% of high school kids in the town are Asian. As a school district Cupertino has the highest scores in the country. And guess which high school is #1 in the U.S.? The one in Cupertino whose student body is about 90% Chinese!

In the 15th or 16th century China was far more advanced than the rest of the world. They were the ones who invented gunpowder, the compass, moveable type, and paper. They also perfected ocean going ships and had an enormous navy which the Emporer sent out to the rest of the world to see what was out there. When they came back several years later they reported that the rest of the world was primitive and had nothing to offer. They shut out the rest of the world and became complacent.

Yes, now China, and the rest of Asia, are playing catch up. But for how long? China's high tech industry has advanced as much in the last ten years as ours has in the last 30. Plus, as living conditions in China improve, at least for the educated and wealthy, many of the Chinese engineers who have been living in the U.S are heading back. Before long they will have learned all they can from our inventions and start coming up with their own.

What worries me the most is that I think we have become complacent. Our educational system is deplorable. Kids aren't held back or given failing grades because it may be bad for their self esteem. A paper that would have gotten me a grade of C- when I was in school 19 years ago now gets an A. 30%+ of students entering the California State University system need remedial Math and English. And yet, they all had good grades in these subjects in high school. The big fight over high school exit exams shows where our values are. The argument was that kids had a right to get their high school diploma and exit exams would prevent a lot of them from getting them. But don't the exams just test the knowledge that the kids should be getting? If they can't pass the test they don't have the knowledge and shouldn't get the diploma. We place such a high value on the diploma, a fucking sheet of paper. Asians, however, value the knowledge.

If China does take over the world its not going to be with their military, its going to be with their brains. And, it's going to be our own fault.


yo, excellent post man :thumbsup:

[mfactor420]

kidcharlemane is 100% correct about Asian schools. Little room is left for individual creative thought. My wife, a product of the Chinese school system, was amazed when she first came to the U.S. and learned that public schools offered classes like art and music. It is the focus on strict education, however, that could just propel them ahead of us technologically within the next 10-15 years. Especially considering the state of our own educational system and the exact opposite value of education many Americans seem to have now.

I live in the Silicon Valley and I can tell you that the average employee roster for a high tech company reads like a Chinese phone book. Who do you think is coming up with all of the new high tech gadgets that China is copying? It's Asians living here in the U.S.. Again,take my wife, someone who has never seen the inside of an Ameican school or college, as an example. She is an expert in speech recognition and natural language processing. A few years ago she developed a revolutionary new system for speech recognition which is now patent pending. Currently she's designing software that allows computers to understand language. Not just recognize words and commands but actually understand the meaning of what's been said. Real artificial intelligence. The point is, even if the Asian educational system develops little robots who aren't prone to coming up with radical new inventions, they will perfect the shit out of them.

There is a town in the Silcon Valley called Cupertino. Cupertino is about 60% Asian and about 85% of high school kids in the town are Asian. As a school district Cupertino has the highest scores in the country. And guess which high school is #1 in the U.S.? The one in Cupertino whose student body is about 90% Chinese!

In the 15th or 16th century China was far more advanced than the rest of the world. They were the ones who invented gunpowder, the compass, moveable type, and paper. They also perfected ocean going ships and had an enormous navy which the Emporer sent out to the rest of the world to see what was out there. When they came back several years later they reported that the rest of the world was primitive and had nothing to offer. They shut out the rest of the world and became complacent.

Yes, now China, and the rest of Asia, are playing catch up. But for how long? China's high tech industry has advanced as much in the last ten years as ours has in the last 30. Plus, as living conditions in China improve, at least for the educated and wealthy, many of the Chinese engineers who have been living in the U.S are heading back. Before long they will have learned all they can from our inventions and start coming up with their own.

What worries me the most is that I think we have become complacent. Our educational system is deplorable. Kids aren't held back or given failing grades because it may be bad for their self esteem. A paper that would have gotten me a grade of C- when I was in school 19 years ago now gets an A. 30%+ of students entering the California State University system need remedial Math and English. And yet, they all had good grades in these subjects in high school. The big fight over high school exit exams shows where our values are. The argument was that kids had a right to get their high school diploma and exit exams would prevent a lot of them from getting them. But don't the exams just test the knowledge that the kids should be getting? If they can't pass the test they don't have the knowledge and shouldn't get the diploma. We place such a high value on the diploma, a fucking sheet of paper. Asians, however, value the knowledge.

If China does take over the world its not going to be with their military, its going to be with their brains. And, it's going to be our own fault.


yo, excellent post man. :thumbsup:

Yup, what he said!! :thumbsup:

[VoidLivesOn]

What they said.

Your real right about the high school deal.

You would puke if I video taped a day in some of my classes and how much kids take advantage of there privlages.Like sayy... computers?

Your right, it is going to be our own fault.