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bonton
01-02-2006, 05:41 PM
These fucknuts scare me a lot more than Osama ever could!

Quotes from The American Taliban

Ann Coulter

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."
"Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to the name Mohammed'"

Bailey Smith

"With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."

Beverly LaHaye (Concerned Women for America)

"Yes, religion and politics do mix. America is a nation based on biblical principles. Christian values dominate our government. The test of those values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the bible to guide their public and private lives do not belong in office."

Bob Dornan (Rep. R-CA)

"Don't use the word 'gay' unless it's an acronym for 'Got Aids Yet'"

David Barton (Wallbuilders)

"There should be absolutely no 'Separation of Church and State' in America."

David Trosch

"Sodomy is a graver sin than murder. ?? Unless there is life there can be no murder."

Fob James (Governor of Alabama)

"Behind this judicial wall of separation there is a tyranny of lies that will fall... I say to you, my friends, let it fall!"
"A good butt-whipping and then a prayer is a wonderful remedy."

Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church)

"If you got to castrate your miserable self with a piece of rusty barb wire, do it."
"Hear the word of the LORD, America, fag-enablers are worse than the fags themselves, and will be punished in the everlasting lake of fire!"
"You telling these miserable, Hell-bound, bath house-wallowing, anal-copulating fags that God loves them!? You have bats in the belfry!"
"American Veterans are to blame for the fag takeover of this nation. They have the power in their political lobby to influence the zeitgeist, get the fags out of the military, and back in the closet where they belong!"
"Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death."

Gary Bauer (American Values)

"We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe."

Gary North (Institute for Christian Economics)

"The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant??baptism and holy communion??must be denied citizenship."
"This is God's world, not Satan's. Christians are the lawful heirs, not non-Christians."

Gary Potter (Catholics for Christian Political Action)

"When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil."

George Bush Sr. (President of the United States)

"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

George W. Bush (President of the United States)

"I don't think that witchcraft is a religion. I wish the military would rethink this decision."*
"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
"This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while."
*Comment about Wiccans in the military

Henry Morris (Institute for Creation Research)

"When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data."

J. B. Stoner (White Supremacist)

"We had lost the fight for the preservation of the white race until God himself intervened in earthly affairs with AIDS to rescue and preserve the white race that he had created.... I praise God all the time for AIDS."
"AIDS is a racial disease of Jews and Niggers, and fortunately it is wiping out the queers. I guess God hates queers for several reasons. There is one big reason to be against queers and that is because every time some white boy is seduced by a queer into becoming a queer, means his white bloodline has run out."

James Dobson (Focus on the Family)

"Those who control the access to the minds of children will set the agenda for the future of the nation and the future of the western world."
"State Universities are breeding grounds, quite literally, for sexually transmitted diseases (including HIV), homosexual behavior, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, alcoholism, and drug abuse."
"Today's children... They're damned. They're gone."

James Kennedy (Center for Reclaiming America)

"The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ."

James Watt (Secretary of the Interior)

"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand."*
*Secretary of the Interior in the Reagan Admin. Responsible for National Policy regarding the Environment

Jay Grimstead (Coalition on Revival)

"We are to make Bible-obeying disciples of anybody that gets in our way."

Jerry Falwell

"We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism...we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today...our battle is with Satan himself."
"AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters."
"The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible, without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc."
"AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."
"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

Jesse Helms (Sen. R-NC)

"The New York Times and Washington Post are both infested with homosexuals themselves. Just about every person down there is a homosexual or lesbian."
"All Latins are volatile people. Hence, I was not surprised at the volatile reaction."
"Your tax dollars are being used to pay for grade-school classes that teach our children that cannibalism, wife-swapping and murder of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior."
"Homosexuals are weak, morally sick wretches."

Jimmy Swaggart (Jimmy Swaggart Ministries)

"The Media is ruled by Satan. But yet I wonder if many Christians fully understand that. Also, will they believe what the Media says, considering that its aim is to steal, kill, and destroy?"
"Sex education classes in our public schools are promoting incest."
"Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it...Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory."

John Ashcroft (Attorney General)

"Civilized people ?? Muslims, Christians, and Jews ?? all understand that the source of freedom and human dignity is the Creator."

John Whitehead (Rutherford Institute)

"The [Supreme] Court, by seeking to equate Christianity with other religions, merely assaults the one faith. The Court in essence is assailing the true God by democratizing the Christian religion."

Joseph McCarthy (Sen. R-WI)

"Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between Communistic Atheism and Christianity."

Joseph Morecraft (Chalcedon Presbyterian Church)

"Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol."

Joseph Scheidler (Pro-Life Action League)

"I would like to outlaw contraception...contraception is disgusting ?? people using each other for pleasure."

Kay O'Connor (Kansas Senate Republican)

"I'm an old-fashioned woman. Men should take care of women, and if men were taking care of women today, we wouldn't have to vote."

Keith A. Fournier (Catholic Way)

"We need a legal strategy which protects the rights of those of us who hold Christian convictions which will afford us the opportunity to contend once again for the mind of this culture."

Laura Schlessinger

"I want to coin a phrase here, and I don't mind help. What would be the communication version of "ethnic cleansing?" Because that's what in particular the homosexual activists try to do."

Lester Roloff (Texas Homes for Wayward Youth)

"Better a pink bottom than a black soul."*
*Roloff opened a chain of homes for "wayward" youth in the state of Texas; he was later jailed in 1973 and again in 1975 for child abuse due to the punitive punishment techniques used in his homes. He would have been finished had he not of been specifically given permision to re-open his homes by, you guested it, Governor George W Bush.

Lt. Gen. William G. Boykin

??George Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters in the United States, he was appointed by God.?

Pat Buchanan (Presidential Candidate)

"Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free."
"There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The "negroes" of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours."
"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism."

Pat Robertson (Christian Coalition)

"The Islamic people, the Arabs, were the ones who captured Africans, put them in slavery, and sent them to America as slaves. Why would the people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers."
"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different...More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history."
"When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals ?? the two things seem to go together."
"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."
"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist."
"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."
"[Homosexuals] want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers."
"[Planned Parenthood] is teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism ?? everything that the Bible condemns."

Patrick Mahoney (Christian Defense Coalition)

"It is deeply troubling to have an appointed, unelected commission remove an elected official from office [Roy Moore]. The Court of Judiciary has overturned an election and crushed the democratic process through their actions."

Paul Cameron

"I think that actually AIDS is a guardian. That is I think it was sent, if you would, about forty years ago, to destroy Western civilization unless we change our sexual ways. So it's really a Godsend."
"Homosexuality is a crime against humanity."
"Causes of homosexuality include: 'sex with animals'"*
"Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals."
*Paul Cameron was discharged from the American Psychological Association, the Nebraska Psychological Association, and the American Sociological Association due to his unethical practices and biased research regarding Homosexuals. His "research" has since been discredited by the scientific community; however his work is still referenced by many fundamentalist organizations as credible.

Randall Terry (Operation Rescue)

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
"Our goal must be simple. We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the ten Commandments. No apologies."
"I don't think Christians should use birth control. You consummate your marriage as often as you like ?? and if you have babies, you have babies."
"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed."*
"There is going to be war, [and Christians may be called to] take up the sword to overthrow the tyrannical regime that oppresses them."
*It is interesting to note that Randell Terry's son is Gay

Jerry Vines (Southern Baptist Convention)

"They would have us believe that Islam is just as good as Christianity. Christianity was founded by the virgin-born son of God, Jesus Christ. Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who had 12 wives, the last one of which was a nine-year-old girl."

Rick Santorum (Sen. R-PA)

"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [Gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything!"

Robert Simonds (Citizens for Excellence in Education)

"As the church watches from the sidelines, the ungodly elect atheists and homosexuals to school boards and legislatures to enact policies and laws that destroy our Christian children and discriminate against Christian families."
"Atheistic secular humanists should be removed from office and Christians should be elected...Government and true Christianity are inseparable."
"We'll take away their power and their money. Money comes from students. We'll break their backs by taking 24 million kids out of the public schools."

Robert T. Lee (Society for the Practical Establishment of the Ten Commandments)

"Raising your children under Americanism or any other principles other than true Christianity is child abuse."
"You do not have the right to be wrong, regardless of what any man-made or demonic charter says."
"Democracy originated in the mind of a rational being who has the deepest hatred for God."
"Do you realize that the only thing that gives democracy existence is sin? The absence of democracy is perfect obedience to god."
"The best way to insure the earth is never over populated is for sensible and righteous governments to clear all forms of atheism and heresy."

Ronald Reagan (President of the United States)

"For the first time ever, everything is in place for the Battle of Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ."

Roy Moore (Former Alabama Judge)

"If they want to get the Commandments, they're going to have to get me first."
"Worship With Your Vote"

Rush Limbaugh

"Feminism was established to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society."
"If you commit a crime, you're guilty."
"There is only one way to get rid of nuclear weapons... use them"

Star Parker (Coalition on Urban Renewal & Education)

"Anybody that believes in separation of church and state needs to leave right now."

Tony Evans (Promise Keepers)

"The demise of our community and culture is the fault of sissified men who have been overly influenced by women."

William Rehnquist (Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court)

"The 'wall of separation between church and state' is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned."

Michael Savage (Savage Nation)

"Oh, you're one of the sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it."*
*Statement made on live national television

eg420ne
01-02-2006, 05:54 PM
LOL---Sooooo true......

eg420ne
01-02-2006, 06:06 PM
I still remember when Ann mann Coulter creamed that shit out of her hole called a mouth, what a vile woMAN she is..You forgot to add Malkin shes wanted to put every1 in prison camps.

highinspain
01-02-2006, 06:24 PM
I am so fuc***g glad I dont live in the box that contains people like that, I really feel sorry for the good people of the US, who do not think like these freaks

Breukelen advocaat
01-02-2006, 07:17 PM
I am so fuc***g glad I dont live in the box that contains people like that, I really feel sorry for the good people of the US, who do not think like these freaks

We have something in the United States called freedom of speech. Every nut case in existence is allowed to express their minds - so at least we know where they stand. I "feel sorry" for the good people of other countries that do not have freedoms like this. They have people just as bad, or worse, in their country - and don't even know who they are.

As far as most people are concerned, regarding the (non-violent) lunatic fringes in America, they're actually just making money entertaining more than anything else.

scobbie
01-03-2006, 03:04 PM
fucking religion does it all the time keep chasing the truth lads

Miss Green
01-03-2006, 04:03 PM
Bloody hell and they call themselves christians I mean seriously especially when you read the first quote by some lady that calls her self a christian:
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."
"Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to the name Mohammed'"
Sounds real christians.I just think to myself where are the heads at and haven't they got a life instead of depending on something that isn't even there yet you lock people up for talking to themselves so why not lock up everyone that says there prayers outloud. :rolleyes:

Myth1184
01-03-2006, 04:19 PM
"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."

^^This ISNT what she said. way to take her quote and spin it. WHAT SHE SAID WAS

Not All Muslims were terrorist, Most Terrorist are Muslim

Myth1184
01-03-2006, 04:21 PM
"AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters."

My favorite quote

Miss Green
01-03-2006, 04:28 PM
"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims."

^^This ISNT what she said. way to take her quote and spin it. WHAT SHE SAID WAS

Not All Muslims were terrorist, Most Terrorist are Muslim
Oh well i was still using her quote as I thought it was still shocking. :stoned:

Esoteric416
01-04-2006, 01:18 AM
What interests me is that some of these so called "christians" would happily slaughter other people who are considered christian. Not to mention the mass genocide that would occor if these "christians" ever came to control this country.
This is freaky shit.

Esoteric416
01-04-2006, 01:23 AM
BTW Did Bush really say that God told him to strike al Queda and Saddam?
Don't we as a society usually react to people who talk to God by slapping the straight jacket on em and pumping em full of antipsycotics?
Man we the people really dropped the ball on that one.

eg420ne
01-04-2006, 01:48 AM
Yup LordBush really said God told him to strike at Al CIA da, saddamn. He also said this

God loves you, and I love you. And you can count on both of us as a powerful message that people who wonder about their future can hear. It's a powerful message. And it's a message that a lot of people can spread."

He has so many God-Jesus qoutes I was thinking Pat Robertson became prez...

But LordBush really worships Satan & owls and has gay sex party in the woods of Calif( not flaming any1 who practice gay sex in the woods of cali)... But shhhh his followers(Bushites) cant believe that because Foxnews has not told them yet.

andruejaysin
01-04-2006, 03:46 AM
We have something in the United States called freedom of speech. Every nut case in existence is allowed to express their minds - so at least we know where they stand. I "feel sorry" for the good people of other countries that do not have freedoms like this. They have people just as bad, or worse, in their country - and don't even know who they are.

As far as most people are concerned, regarding the (non-violent) lunatic fringes in America, they're actually just making money entertaining more than anything else.
The problem is not that the nut cases are allowed to express there opinions, but rather that they get to set policy. The "lunatic fringe" is in control of 10,000 nucleur weapons.

Breukelen advocaat
01-04-2006, 04:30 AM
The problem is not that the nut cases are allowed to express there opinions, but rather that they get to set policy. The "lunatic fringe" is in control of 10,000 nucleur weapons.
It would been in our best interest to drop a few (nuclear weapons) on the mountains of Afghanistan on 9/12/01 - and when the U.N., press, etc. demanded an explanation, we denied it. THAT would have thrown a whole new perspective on the U.S.

The only way to stop Muslim extremist agression is to throw out the rules. NO more "Christian" patterns of stupidity and money-making deals with the Middle East until they clean up their back yards. If I were president, I would issue a new manifesto that clearly outlines the rules - and if you break them, you pay dearly.

I grew up "in the streets" - NOT in some rich community like every president we've had for many administrations. Somebody hits you, you hit them back NUMEROUS times until they are lyning in the gutter bleeding.

The Al Quada think that they are striking fear in us because we think that they are "crazy" with their suicide attacks. We MUST "out-crazy" them, or die. Kicking the living, fucking, shit out of people is the best deterrent to future agression.

Psycho4Bud
01-04-2006, 07:43 AM
It would been in our best interest to drop a few (nuclear weapons) on the mountains of Afghanistan on 9/12/01 - and when the U.N., press, etc. demanded an explanation, we denied it. THAT would have thrown a whole new perspective on the U.S.

The only way to stop Muslim extremist agression is to throw out the rules. NO more "Christian" patterns of stupidity and money-making deals with the Middle East until they clean up their back yards. If I were president, I would issue a new manifesto that clearly outlines the rules - and if you break them, you pay dearly.

I grew up "in the streets" - NOT in some rich community like every president we've had for many administrations. Somebody hits you, you hit them back NUMEROUS times until they are lyning in the gutter bleeding.

The Al Quada think that they are striking fear in us because we think that they are "crazy" with their suicide attacks. We MUST "out-crazy" them, or die. Kicking the living, fucking, shit out of people is the best deterrent to future agression.

DAMN....Super Neo-con to the rescue!!! LOL!! j/k

Know where your comin' from but just a lil' on the harsh side....have a good one! :thumbsup:

bonton
01-04-2006, 04:46 PM
It??s a source of constant amazement to me how homophobic these people are. What are they afraid of?

Breukelen advocaat; you swallow every lie you??re told. Does it never cross your mind that you just might have been suckered?

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

dopesmoker
01-04-2006, 09:15 PM
It would been in our best interest to drop a few (nuclear weapons) on the mountains of Afghanistan on 9/12/01 - and when the U.N., press, etc. demanded an explanation, we denied it. THAT would have thrown a whole new perspective on the U.S.

The only way to stop Muslim extremist agression is to throw out the rules. NO more "Christian" patterns of stupidity and money-making deals with the Middle East until they clean up their back yards. If I were president, I would issue a new manifesto that clearly outlines the rules - and if you break them, you pay dearly.

I grew up "in the streets" - NOT in some rich community like every president we've had for many administrations. Somebody hits you, you hit them back NUMEROUS times until they are lyning in the gutter bleeding.

The Al Quada think that they are striking fear in us because we think that they are "crazy" with their suicide attacks. We MUST "out-crazy" them, or die. Kicking the living, fucking, shit out of people is the best deterrent to future agression.


I see what you're saying but using aggression creates more aggresion and more pissed off people, notice that they caused more problems by invading Iraq. Afgahnsitan was alrite but Iraq was over the line....weapons of mass distruction. where? In georges imagination.

Breukelen advocaat
01-04-2006, 11:46 PM
I see what you're saying but using aggression creates more aggresion and more pissed off people, notice that they caused more problems by invading Iraq. Afgahnsitan was alrite but Iraq was over the line....weapons of mass distruction. where? In georges imagination.

If we had completely knocked out Afghanistan, with gusto, we wouldn't have had much to worry about with Iraq. I have never been a big supportor of the Iraq war, and even less so today.

Self-defense and retaliation is different from needless agression. We helped Afghanistan, and they allowed a crazed religious group to use the country as a base for training and harboring people dedicated to killing all of us. One of the (many) grudges that they held against us was that we did not provide ground troops to fight the Soviet occupation. We armed them, trained them, and gave the country millions every year - but that apparently didn't satisfy these opium-growing animals.

The mistakes of Carter, Reagan, and Bush Sr. were not the beginning of the problems, but it's not a coincidence that they were all "religous". They would have been better off to just let the Soviets have that place (Afghanistan). Their fear of the "godless commies" was the deciding factor in supporting people that would eventually become the al quida and taliban. I'd rather have commies as adversaries, because they are RATIONAL - unlike the religious nuts like bin laden, khomeni (formerly of Iran), etc.

Breukelen advocaat
01-05-2006, 05:39 AM
[QUOTE=bonton]Breukelen advocaat; you swallow every lie you??re told. Does it never cross your mind that you just might have been suckered?QUOTE]

I KNOW that I've been "suckered": EVERYBODY has been at one time or another - especially regarding politics. I'm not going to do anything to somebody that owes me a little money, but you've got loudmouth punks on this board who brag about planning to go apeshit over a hundred bucks that their friend owes them. As we say where I come from, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".

I do not like Bill O'Reilly, but I don't think that he is a "nazi", or anything like that. The same goes for Bush, and anybody would be a fool to think that he would risk his very life and/or liberty to take part in a plan that killed three thousand civilians and rescue workers on 9/11.

I wouldn't have felt any differently about the attack(s) had I not seen it, but I was there in lower NYC on 9/11. This was not the first time, because I was across the street from the WTC when the bombing in 1993 occurred. I'm getting a LITTLE fucking sick and tired of these raghead bastards killing my neighbors, and other innocent people.

Our "leaders", such as Jimmy "Howdy Doody" Carter, Ronald ("star wars", "evil empire", etc.) Reagan, George ("I'm not sure that atheists should be citizens") Bush Sr., his son GWB, Blair, and others are not, to say the least, totally in touch with reality. I know that, so don't think that everything is getting by me. Their stupidity is a matter of degrees - but to label them as completely evil is going too far.

I do NOT consider myself as "conservative", but do believe in justice and the preservation of our democracy and freedoms. If we have to bite the bullet for a time to be safer, then I will comply - as I do every day without crying about it. Despite what your press tells you, those of us in New York, Washington, etc., do not live in fear - at least not any more than in citizens in London after the train bombings.

The "War on Terror" has been working well enough so far, but I would rather that we had pattern-bombed, or nuked, Afghanistan right away to show them that we're not playing any more games. I don't want to "convert" these people to christinsanity, democratic capitalism, or anything else: I just want them to behave, so that we don't have to kill them all. And THAT is the position that the leaders of the Free World should have hammered home - and actions speak louder than word, especially after attacks such as 2005 London and 2001 Washington and New York. Once they've had fair warning, and STILL allow these barbaric actions, then all bets are off.

Just my :twocents:

Esoteric416
01-06-2006, 02:46 AM
I respect you oppinion Breu adv, but you have to realise that any president who uses nukes in the manner which you describe, regardless of the end results, is going to be commiting political suicide. Within a few months there would be armed revolution in the streets. (not necissarily a bad thing IMO) And that is only provided that the other nuclear powers of the world don't jump the gun when they see a gaggle of US ICBMs headed in their general direction, and launch a friendly nuclear hello up our collective US asses.

Breukelen advocaat
01-06-2006, 05:28 AM
I respect you oppinion Breu adv, but you have to realise that any president who uses nukes in the manner which you describe, regardless of the end results, is going to be commiting political suicide. Within a few months there would be armed revolution in the streets. (not necissarily a bad thing IMO) And that is only provided that the other nuclear powers of the world don't jump the gun when they see a gaggle of US ICBMs headed in their general direction, and launch a friendly nuclear hello up our collective US asses.

Thank you for your learned response. Who exactly would have enacted "armed revolution in the streets"?

What is the POINT of having nukes if the country's enemies, or those that support murderous terrorists, do not fear them? The (former) USSR never killed 3,000 of our people, nor did China, or even Castro. Castro was willing to use nukes against us during the missile crisis, but condemns terrorism. Go figure.

You have to think, and act, fast - not to mention ruthlessly. Afghanistan would have been the perfect place to make an example of, and we blew it. Nobody would have done anything had we nuked them and denied it - I guarantee it! :thumbsup:

bonton
01-07-2006, 03:20 AM
I know how many died in the WTC atrocity. We all do; you guys never fucking shut up about it. Unfortunately you don??t seem to know how many died in Afghanistan or in Iraq. At least 3,000 civilians and probably more in Afghanistan. And you??re still killing Afghanis. But not enough for you of course. How many in Iraq? 20,000 is the lowest number I??ve seen but even Bush admits it??s more than that. Maybe 100,000 plus? And you??re still killing Iraqis. But not enough for you of course.

You see your dead but not theirs even though their dead vastly outnumber yours. You see the blood on their hands but not the blood on your own though yours are much, much gorier. And then you??re surprised and pissed off that the rest of the world and your own intelligentsia aren??t as fucking blind as you are. Sadly you??re reaping what you sowed. Maybe it??s time to stop sowing? Time to try something else? Like not killing so many of them perhaps?

Carpet bomb Afghanistan with nukes! You??re a fucking lunatic and I??d guess one of the vast majority of bloody Yanks who??ve never left the damn country. You need to get out a bit more as they say. If you did you??d find that Afghanistan is full of people not monsters. And maybe you wouldn??t be so afraid of them and so keen to kill them. The same applies to Iraq, believe it or not. Full of people and not monsters. Iran and Syria and Korea to. Whatever problem you have with a state or regime or group the solution isn??t going to be a mass slaughter of innocent people. That would be wrong. You??re a smart guy; you must be able to see that.

I??d guess that you??re now going to explain to me why God and the Constitution of the United Sates of America gives you the right to slaughter anyone who doesn??t want to be an American. Sorry, not the right but the duty to slaughter them. Have I got it?

bonton
01-07-2006, 03:38 AM
I need to know this. Breukelen advocaat, have you ever left the US of A? Mexico and Canada don??t count. Have you got a passport? 85% of Americans don??t have passports, 85% of Brits do. I think it??s relevant if you??re going to publicly express such xenophobic views. I??m stone certain that Torog hasn??t as I can??t believe anywhere else in the world would be stupid enough to let him in.

Breukelen advocaat
01-07-2006, 04:32 AM
I need to know this. Breukelen advocaat, have you ever left the US of A? Mexico and Canada don??t count. Have you got a passport? 85% of Americans don??t have passports, 85% of Brits do. I think it??s relevant if you??re going to publicly express such xenophobic views. I??m stone certain that Torog hasn??t as I can??t believe anywhere else in the world would be stupid enough to let him in.
Yes, I have a passport and have gone to London, other European countries, Bermuda, and other Islands. I don't know why Canada would not "count", but I've been there, too.

I do not think that living in Brooklyn my whole life, and working in Manhattan, where there are 173 nationalities, could make for a ??xenophobic? personality. If I wished to be sheltered from different cultures, I??d move to a more homogenous area. I am talking about stopping the death and destruction, more of which is going to come even by the admission of our idiotic world leaders, from radical Islamic terrorists.

We went into World War II after Japan bombed a military target, Pearl Harbor, and targeted soldiers and equipment. The rulers of Afghanistan decided, for no fucking rational reason on earth, to kill non-military people in planes, New York and Washington, and would have killed our president, and as many other higher-ups in the White House as they could have, if the passengers of one of the planes hadn't stopped them.

The only way that we were able to force surrender from Japan in W.W. II was to nuke them, and they've been non-violent ever since. My uncle, who was a tail-gunner, flew so many missions in the South Pacific, that he was VERY thankful that the bomb was dropped on the bastards, because they showed no sign of giving up. About the only alternative would have been to invite some of the Jap leaders and scientists to a demonstration of the bomb - and show them what they were headed for. Bin laden and his band of savages (not to say that ALL savages are as bad as he is) already KNOW what we have, and went ahead with their murderous assaults with no regard for the consequences - because they ??knew? that we wouldn??t do to them what they would inflict upon us. It??s time to change their minds about that, albeit quite late.

What you don't seem to understand is that the ultimate goal of al quada is the complete destruction of the earth, and it's inhabitants, so that Allah can start over - and get it right: meaning an all-Islam world. I'm not making this up - it's what bin laden, and other maniacs of his ilk, believes.

For the record, I do not believe in a god, or gods. I do not believe that there is a "dialog" that exists that is capable of reasoning with the radical islamics. Even the so-called moderate practitioners of Islam HATE democracy and freedom of, or freedom from, religion - and are not showing signs of changing that view any time soon.

If we had dropped a few nukes on, or carpet bombed, Afghanistan in the first place we wouldn??t be in the mess we are now in. I did not agree with the decision to invade Iraq simply because they didn??t enough to warrant it. We could have boycotted the countries that enabled them, or found other ways of dealing with them. The religious people in government, though, ALWAYS feel more threatened by a non-theistic dictatorship, and that is why we helped Afghanistan fight off the Soviet Union in the first place - which was a gigantic mistake.

Now our idiot president wants the citizens of the United States to learn Arabic! He uses words like "golly", "gosh" and other lame wording to reassure his Arib oil-buddies that we really don't mean any harm. It's time for a MAJOR change right here in the U.S., in your country as well - and abandoning oil as a commodity would be the right way to go. THEN we could really start to live in peace again, which is all anybody in their right mind wants.