HELP PLEASE!!!!! NOOBIE FIRST TIME GROWER LEAF PROBLEM'S!

[budboy]

hello, im trying out hydroponic for the first time * first time grower*
i have set it up in an attic, im posting a few pics because i dont know what these leaves are all about ???? can anyone help please ASAP! just hope my plants dont die there about 4-5 weeks old lots of droopy leaves !,just before flowring cycle!! any hints and tips would be welcomed!!!

room temp - 25ish degrees
lights - 600watt (2-3 feet above plants)
ph 5.5 - 7
water - 9 litres of water that has been boiled and cooled before adding.( but the light soon heats it upagain! )
nutrients - we have miracle grow micro, grow and bloom (using instructions on side of bottle but doesnt seem quite right!)

one of the pictures is of a large female that has been growing for some time....

[daima]

From looking at your photo's i would cut back on the fertilizer.
Inside growers who arent use to growing the strain they are attemptimg to grow usually claim two mistakes.
#1. Over feeding
#2 over watering
The rest of your room sounds fine
Good stable temps
good light
good distance from light
good circulation

dai*ma :o

[daima]

25 degrees? that C, not F, right?
Temps for most cannabis growth should be 70's in the day
60's at night(or a couple of degrees cooler)
The difference between night time temps and day time temps should be 10 degrees or so
dai*ma

[budboy]

daima-------- fertilizer? im using hydroponics? fert is used in soil ...rite ? :-s

[budboy]

hey hey ,im such a noob ! i havent been using miricle grow.lol i have been using these nuets but till have this brown and yellow and white leafes, also quite droopy!

these plants are 6 weeks old and they are 2-3 foot away from light,problem is the light cant go any higher and its a 600w :( 2 close you think?

[daima]

Greetings Budboy, Peace and Blessings to you and your loved ones.

The soultions you use in your system are your fertilizer. They are liquified.
Sea salts can be very confusing eg.... kelp, seaweed.

Hydroponics foods need to be accurately applied. One of the things that make soil attractive to many growers is the fact that soil is more forgiving when it comes to making mistakes than its hydroponic opposite...., like over feeding, etc etc.

I would imagine that you started your crop from clone..via mother plant ? or another source of clone? When planst are young with new roots they need to be nurtured. They are very vulnerablle to many things, including salts from your fertlizer. Since many of your plants look like they are well rooted they are most likely out of danger from rotting. The yellowing comes from Lack of N(nitrogen) the brownish spots look like an overuse of P(phosphorus)
I use soil because if you fuck up using hydroponics and make an error, you lose whole crop. Soil is a great barrier. IMO, your plants look burnt and deprived of Nitrogen.

Peace,
dai*ma :D

[budboy]

hey hey dai! thanx for the reply buddy!!! next time i think i will try pots!!!
yeah the light is a big problem the roof is only 6 foot tall and the light is at the roof where as the tank is a foot tall.... omg no space:( i hear you can get a bulb that doesnt give out much heat should i try using this if i have a heat problem ??
soooo how do i fix the lack (N) problem and the overuse of (P)??.... im soo new to this lol .. just trying to gather asmuch info as possible..
can you over water with hydroponics? i leave the pump on 24/7.... if i leave the plants the way ther are now will i still get a smoke from them or will the just eventually die ????????

[spacebud]

leech those plants....

[LOC NAR1958]

Your light is ok if those temps are right. I see the big rockwool cubes ,is this ebb and flow or flood and drain ? if so the 24/7 is tooooo much. your rockwool is staying too wet. soil can be a buffer but at the first sign of problems with hydro flush with clean water to stop it quick. When soil starts to go bad it all over. That's the be ? now is water. Where are you getting water because boiling doesn't help. You should use only RO (reverse osmosis) or distilled water. If you don't have a PPM meter you need one. Water over 200 PPM's is hard water and should not be used unless your nutes are for hard water. You can leave it out to let chlorine evaperate if your PPM's are good.Youy will get much more help here try not to get confused. When in dought flush with clean water.

[budboy]

hey LOC the hydroponic tank does a constant trickle out ov 8 small holes.. dont know what this is called.lol but i heard this was suppose to kept on 24/7?? but ill flush with distilled water for how long? and i have just started 12/12 light...7 days ago will this affect the plants?

[budboy]

here is the the hydro kit i bought from ebay its suppose to be this new system that literly look after themselfs* hmmmmm thinks* :confused:
is this system any good ? because it cost me a arm and a leg.lmao



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7716129642



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ahhhhhhhhhh sounds soo good!
happy smoking :rasta:

[budboy]

6 weeks young! good pic's

[budboy]

what do you think people??? all comments welcome'd

[budboy]

sorry, here they are!

[LOC NAR1958]

If that's what they say that's what I would do. The system looks good it's kind of combo like it says. Flush for 3 days when you see a problem, just PH the water. Are you using cal-mag plus ? do the rockwool cubes seem saoking wet ? It looks like calcium defeincies and overwatering. Do you have good ventilation in and out ? Don't panic if I steer you to wrong the big guy's will come in. We're going to get you back to good.

[budboy]

hey LOC im gettin some cal-mag soon m8, i didnt know i needed it!

Rockwool ----is totally soaked and there is green slime on the rockwool aswell?? but i heard this is suppose to happen? maby not.lol :confused:

Watering-- well i was told that it was suppose to be on 24/7 trickle... and the roots are have all growed into the resovire water *totally* cant drain water out system eaither, because the roots have growen over the inside and outside there is the plant! :(

Ventilation-- the grow room is not air tight so i use a normal fan which is pretty strong.. is this enough for a attic setup? seems quite windy with the fan!

lights-- i have a 600w that is about 5 ft from floor? 2 low? think this could be to hot but the fan is kinda keeping the temp to around 25.and around 14 when its 12 hour lite off. fan on or off for 12 hour lite off? :mad: :confused:

LOC your a god send.lol i dont wanna waste my 400 quid on setting this up.lol
Hope the big guns can sort me out im gettin quite scared now :-s

baaa who wants to see my ugly face anyhoos!!! lol think its tall enough?? im 6 foot and the lits is about the left of my head! .lol

[LOC NAR1958]

Your temps sound good it must be over watering. The rockwool should be moist but not soaking wet. A little bit of green algea is not bad but slime or any smell is bad. Do they not have a way to drain your table ? you might have to get a tube or siphon like for fish tanks and sneak the tube in to siphon off the water. You have to change the water every 7 to 10 days to keep fresh water and nutrients in there . How long has the water been in there ? We are getting close. I know they say 24/7 but you may have to get a timer and go 30 minutes on and 30 off or NFT's go 15 on 45 off when lights are not on. The long water roots can hang in the water 24/7 but the root ball that's in the rockwool needs to be mostly dry. rootballs like oxygen more than water. First you must be able to change water. toxic salts build up from what the plants give off in the water and poisons the water itself. you got a nice space and should not have any prob's. Your light can be closer. If you can hold your hand at the top of your plants for a minute and not burn it's alright so get the light down as much as you can. OH and if you don't have cal-mag use 1 to 2 teaspoons of epson salts per gallon of water till you get the cal-mag. Also 1 to2 teaspoons of h2o2 (hydrogen peroxide) per gallon will help to keep it clean too. I really think it's the watering that's got you but we will get you through it. Hang in there m8. Anyone familar with this system come on down. A multi timer can be set for 15 minutes at a time for 24 hours. I have one that I set for 15 on 45 off for my vents because of the cold right now. It doesn't run during dark they don't need fresh cold air when dark. Again hang in there m8 they don't look that bad yet, they can recover.

[daima]

Two self-induced tragedies when it comes to indoor gardening.
#1. Over-watering
#2. over-feeding

Also remember that when you cut your light back and begin flowering your plants will almost double in height before they are done. If you have 6 feet of height space you might want to induce flowering at around 3 feet. If they grow too big and approach unsafe heights due to light and heat you can take a fine string/twine and bend them down by tacking the other end of your string to the wall with a thumb-tack. This will also allow light to get down to areas where it might normally not, which in turn produces nice bottom growth buds. Remember !!! Dont over-water Dont over-feed Good DRAINAGE is Good CIRCULATION is important.

One last piece of advice(although it wasnt asked for) Do NOT show your garden off to people. Including friends. I know its hard but it isnt as hard as doing time, losing job, losing house, losing kids, losing freedom, losing your bank account(mostly due to lawyer fees) Be safe. Have fun. Enjoy your harvest.
dai*ma :thumbsup: San Francisco usa. I am an amarijuanacan

[budboy]

yaa m8 i have not showed anyone* thats why im blacked out * lol

[LOC NAR1958]

Hey m8, did you get your water changed. How long has the water been in there ? If it's been more than 2 weeks your building up toxic salts the plants give off and that's the problem most likely. Let us know everyone can learn from things like this. I can't beleive no one else has one of these systems. Come on some one.

[budboy]

hey m8 thanx for the advice, bu with the system its hard to change the water without ripping the roots out .. :(
but now it doesnt matter :( 7 plants 7 males:(( * cryes *
how could this be? :confused:

[LOC NAR1958]

Don't give up it's all learning. As far as males they were stressed in some way. most likely toxic build up. I was looking closer at your system . I see the idea is to top up with water. Can you post full instructions on that ? I would like to learn more in detail on it. Your in the ball park your just useing a slightly different method. I have phototrons for years , no good for bud but great for veg and clones and mothers. The trons use a closed system useing a type of moss and never change the water, however you could not use any other formula for nutes other than there's or they will die. One is now a bubbler for veg and the other will soon be a bubbler for mothers. Don't give up this is the first year I have had success and it's just getting better.

[Trichome Creator]

yaa m8 i have not showed anyone* thats why im blacked out * lol

Is that your face or did your neck blow a bubble. :D

[turtle420]

yaa m8 i have not showed anyone* thats why im blacked out * lol

Then who took the pictures?

LOL!!! Just pulling your chain dude...

[budboy]

LOL yeha ill try get instructions for it and post them for ya LOC ,i was just thinking to use pots because as you say better 1 dieing if its infected than the whole crop with this system! use pots and use hydro to experiment!

[daima]

Your best bet for growing an inside garden is to find a "friend" with a female plant and ask for a clone or two. With those clones you can grow them and clone them for more plants. Inside growing can be disheartening after weeks of waiting and then your plants turn out to be males. If you mus start from seed use at least 10-15 seeds to enhance your chances of getting a mother plant to clone.

peace,
dai*ma :o

[vidii]

hi ,,i'm a beginner have had good results from growing in soil
but i want more crop > in lesser time ,,next i go hydroponic > sea of green
am buying what i need these days for my system
i know i should just buy a book about this ,but i have no money at least not now
a couple of questions for u with the know how
i've heard u turn the pumps on with a timer like 4-5 times a day and leave them on
for about 45 min each time ,to get the rockwool and clay peppbles soaked
i was wandering about the night cycle ? do i just do the same ,,or just enough to let the roots not dry out ? peace