weed depression

[DazedandConfused]

i just saw a commercial on the tv that said that depression can be caused by high seratonin levels. according to beachguy's signature, one J increases seratonin levels 4,000%. could this be why there are a lot of depressed smokers out there?

[bonsaiguy]

The data is sketchy at best but there are some indications that weed smokers are already using weed to self medicate their depression. And when you run out, the depression can kick in again for a few days until you sort of detox. There is also some evidence (again, sketchy at best) that long term use can lead to some depression but it's unclear which is the cause, the chicken and egg thing. from personal experience I can't say as I've ever felt depressed when I'm smoking but I know that there is a definite couple of down and cranky days after I run out and when I find out that there is more coming I definitely feel more up and happy in anticipation of the next connection.
Then again, psychologists and psychiatrists tend to think everyone is depressed or emotionally disturbed in some way.

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

You might be on to something... but the Government lie, so I doubt it's true :)

[UnViaje]

entirely wrong
present research says stoners are more happy n carefree than people not stoned
btw, i've never fukkn met any type of depressed stoner, wtf

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

entirely wrong
present research says stoners are more happy n carefree than people not stoned
btw, i've never fukkn met any type of depressed stoner, wtf

There are quite a few depressed stoners here.
I can't remember who it is, but someone here (known quite well) said he gets depressed most days.

[UnViaje]

yeah, but theres no merit in blaming the bud
prolly just a lil bitch. soft

[420kidder]

I used to get depressed a lot, but it seemed it was only when I ran out of pot or had to stop smoking. Pot makes me so much better, it's like an instant, as well as long term, anti depressant for me. :)

[mellow mood]

its not coz someone is alrdy depressed, and then smokes, that hes depressed coz he smokes

this is bullshit

[DazedandConfused]

man everything anyone reads on this site or anyother pro marijuana site is usually is so biased anyway. they could have a headline saying that new studies show that if you smoke marijuana while you're young then you will be happy and make lots of money when you're older. and people would start being like wait a second, didn't our old stoner buddy chris get that one job, you know CEO of Coca-Cola, and start believing that shit.
I know that's a bit extreme but really, a lot of you guys don't believe shit you read about pot unless it comes from a pro mj source.

[bonsaiguy]

I used to get depressed a lot, but it seemed it was only when I ran out of pot or had to stop smoking. Pot makes me so much better, it's like an instant, as well as long term, anti depressant for me. :)

My point exactly. Especially if you're using on a daily basis, quitting will often lead to some mild depression for a couple days. I'm not knocking self medicating. People did it all the time before the AMA came along and still do. Most of the time they don't even realize they are doing it. It's not a matter of blaming the bud. Never blame drugs for your problems. But drugs can and in many cases are a result of issues like depression and anxiety. That being said, the medical community often diagnoses depression when they really don't know what the problem is. I know of several people who were initially diagnosed with depression, prescribed some commercial chemical and ended up having thyroid problems or something else that had nothing to do with depression.

[UnViaje]

I know that's a bit extreme but really, a lot of you guys don't believe shit you read about pot unless it comes from a pro mj source.
same goes for dumbass noobs or nonsmokers believing everything in anti-marijuana campaigns
2 way street

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

yeah, but theres no merit in blaming the bud
prolly just a lil bitch. soft

Haha, could well be :D

[mellow mood]

man everything anyone reads on this site or anyother pro marijuana site is usually is so biased anyway. they could have a headline saying that new studies show that if you smoke marijuana while you're young then you will be happy and make lots of money when you're older. and people would start being like wait a second, didn't our old stoner buddy chris get that one job, you know CEO of Coca-Cola, and start believing that shit.
I know that's a bit extreme but really, a lot of you guys don't believe shit you read about pot unless it comes from a pro mj source.

dude, the only bad effects of weed are that it is smoke, so bad for your lungs, and it can favorise a lil but mental illiness, when you have some in your family or whatever

i doubt that weed causes depression. but again, if pro-marijuana ppl tend to only beleive pro-marijuana facts, anti-marijuana ppl ten to beleive only anti-marijuana facts

[UnViaje]

I used to get depressed a lot, but it seemed it was only when I ran out of pot or had to stop smoking. Pot makes me so much better, it's like an instant, as well as long term, anti depressant for me.
me too, but then i realized it was choice. i wasnt gonna get bent outta shape cuz i didnt have bud, fuck that. i'm already cool, just more badazz when stoned, simply put.

[DazedandConfused]

im all about pot being legalised and i'm definately pro-pot, but facts are facts. if high seratonin levels can cause depression, and weed increases seratonin levels, then that right there should fuckin tell you something man. that doesn't mean everyone that gets high is going to be depressed, just like not all cigarette smokers have lung cancer.

[mellow mood]

yea but what i dont understand is how can weed increase melatonin of 4000%?

i tought melatonin was an hormone (can be sold in pills to help sleep), and in too much quantity it can be bad for the system. but i dont see how weed has been that abd for my system, and i smoke since 4 years. so is really weed increasing melatonin of 4000%?

thats the question

[Nochowderforyou]

i just saw a commercial on the tv that said that depression can be caused by high seratonin levels. according to beachguy's signature, one J increases seratonin levels 4,000%. could this be why there are a lot of depressed smokers out there?

Actually, depression is caused by low seratonin levels in the brain, so, one J does increase it by 4000%, then the reports are false because like I said, low ser. levels, cause depression.

I think there are a few types of depression. There is depression from some people because they may have been abused or severly mistreated by others. This type of depression can be cured with the help of talking to someone, proffessional or not, and somewhat, "wiping the slate clean."

Then there is depression that is unavoidable, where the brain, no matter what without the right medication, won't produce enough seratonin causing a person to become depressed. They call these people manic depressive or bi-polar. The only way to get these "trapped" chemicals in your brain is to use the right prescription drugs, or use marijuana, for obvious reasons (4000%).

For me, I'm bi-polar and I only use Zyprexa to keep my anxiety down, I don't use anti-depressants anymore. I inherited it from my mother, my mother from her mother, etc...I'm not depressed, we all have our days, but I use a healthy dose of THC daily to keep myself positive.

[3rdEyeVision]

^^^^you might be reading up on the wrong thing its called seratonin not melatonin but I don't know what either one is so don't get mad at me lol

[mellow mood]

yea wuts the dif btw seratonin an melatnin? im confused right now

[robert42]

NO

Your more LIKELY to smoke pot if your ALREADY depressed the link is there,

[daves19]

im all about pot being legalised and i'm definately pro-pot, but facts are facts. if high seratonin levels can cause depression, and weed increases seratonin levels, then that right there should fuckin tell you something man. that doesn't mean everyone that gets high is going to be depressed, just like not all cigarette smokers have lung cancer.

are you retarded ? you said your self you saw those information on a tv commercial??? facts from tv commercial are not facts! dude come on! take a better source of information! no offense by the way, just wanted to slap you in the face!

-Peace out :dance:

[UnViaje]

heres a concise page describing low serotonin causing depression


Serotonin levels can dictate if you feel depressed or not. Antidepressant medications like Paxil, Zoloft, St. John's Wort, and Prozac work by preventing serotonin destruction and loss. These antidepressants inhibit serotonin uptake ( or reuptake) by the neurons in the brains. Low serotonin levels cause depression.

http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C14113.html

[daves19]

Plus, i am a heavy smoker, and even when i cut on the dope for several weeks i tend to be happier as i understand life better now, so if some people feels depressed because they smoke, it's not because of a chemical reaction but more because of the negative vibe around weed itself...you know, if you've always been told pot is depressive, you'll feel depressed...so if there is really a chemical reaction that gets people depressed, it will be for everybody! like you said facts are facts!

Like the other dude said, the only thing bad about pot is the smoke...

-peace out

[tripsalot]

im bipolar i think. I need drugs to get up. I use pot as my medicine although its not the strongest drug i think it is the best and it is medicine unlike other drugs which get u will get u higher but tear up your body and. mind pot is just good medicine.

I think its also important to say that I dont think pot cures depression i can still get down when im on it but i would be way more down without it.
just my 2 stoner sense

[Nicko81m]

I think you are all wrong. Pot does cause depression if you over do it. The problem is it can make you think TOO much and in some cases you think of the worse instead of the better. Paranoia causes depression and pot causes paranoia.

[RastaKaze]

Yeah pot is definitely a depressant.

[StOneD.aS.FuK]

I think you are all wrong. Pot does cause depression if you over do it. The problem is it can make you think TOO much and in some cases you think of the worse instead of the better. Paranoia causes depression and pot causes paranoia.

i second that.

plus all you that havent got depression wouldnt know shit if pot makes you more depressed.

[supersonicchronic]

Plus, i am a heavy smoker, and even when i cut on the dope for several weeks i tend to be happier as i understand life better now, so if some people feels depressed because they smoke, it's not because of a chemical reaction but more because of the negative vibe around weed itself...you know, if you've always been told pot is depressive, you'll feel depressed...so if there is really a chemical reaction that gets people depressed, it will be for everybody! like you said facts are facts!

Like the other dude said, the only thing bad about pot is the smoke...

-peace out

You just made me think of soccer mom type bitches who look at you all funny when your high, it's like they know your high and look down on it so badly. Thats a negative depressing type high you can get if you live around a bunch of people like that.
I definately get some anxiety if I go somewhere straight after work and don't smoke, but as soon as I smoke I feel a hella lot better. Someone said earlier about the pot detox, I think that's true. If I go a couple days I don't think about it nearly as much. But who the fuck wants to go a couple days? Actually I do, but not too much. :rasta: :p

[flamingskullballs]

the depression comes when you smoke pot for a long time, or even worse; smoke it for a long time and then abruptly stop...so go for great marijuana binges, and then take rests and you should be fine

[Mello.as.Hello]

As far as melatonin goes, it's a different chemical altogether-

www.melatonin.com

"Melatonin is the all-natural nightcap. It's secreted by the pineal gland, a pea-size structure at the center of the brain, as our eyes register the fall of darkness.

"At night melatonin is produced to help our bodies regulate our sleep-wake cycles. The amount of it produced by our body seems to lessen as we get older. Scientists believe this may be why young people have less problem sleeping than older people.

Seratonin IS vital to brain function and happiness, however- here's a good site with some info.


http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/faq/seratonin.htm


Seratonin - Responsible for Depression?

Well not exactly, it's more like seratonin is involved in depression.

Seratonin is responsible for depression in the same way that food is responsible for hunger. If you have more food, the hunger will go away, but it didn't cause it in the first place!


Personally, I feel that drugs of ANY kind should be used in moderation. Seratonin is like a cookie jar, and weed is the milk. We can sit down and enjoy cookies and milk once in a while, and it's kickASS. But if you sit and eat cookies all day every day for years, they're just not that good anymore. Use something in moderation and it'll be better, that's just me.

Peace. :cool:

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

entirely wrong
present research says stoners are more happy n carefree than people not stoned
btw, i've never fukkn met any type of depressed stoner, wtf

He NEVER said ppl who ARE stoned ARE happy. it said, when people RUN out they might get MILDLY depressed, FOR A FEW DAYS. SO STFU

And btw, yes. After a FEW DAYS (you need to learn to read PROPERLY UnViaje) after a few days of being dry im slighly annoyed and cranky, but iv gone 3 months without weed now. not cus i choose to tho, but cus i need a new dealer. anyway yeah. so its not THAT bad.

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

dude, the only bad effects of weed are that it is smoke, so bad for your lungs, and it can favorise a lil but mental illiness, when you have some in your family or whatever

i doubt that weed causes depression. but again, if pro-marijuana ppl tend to only beleive pro-marijuana facts, anti-marijuana ppl ten to beleive only anti-marijuana facts

idiot. it also can cause STM (short term memory loss)

which i KNOW is true, because MOST stoners i know have bad memory, and i do as well, and it has gotten worse ever since i smoked weed.

but yeah, weed's not that bad, slight damage to the brain (SLIGHT) and mainly lung damage.

:dance:

[wholapola]

Serotonin is a neurotransmitter (like dopamine), melatonin is responsible for skin pigment.

[bonsaiguy]

idiot. it also can cause STM (short term memory loss)

which i KNOW is true, because MOST stoners i know have bad memory, and i do as well, and it has gotten worse ever since i smoked weed.

but yeah, weed's not that bad, slight damage to the brain (SLIGHT) and mainly lung damage.

:dance:
Been doing it so long I can't tell you if my STM worked well before I started. Working in Corp America for so long I have learned to compensate. (my last boss used to laugh at all the post-it notes in my cube) My wife thinks I was probably ADD when I was a kid but back then, they didn't call it that. They called it "sit down and be quiet or I'll kick your ass and then send you to the principal, who will also kick your ass and call your parents who will seriously tan your hide".
Worked way better than Ritalin.
I would beg to differ on the lung damage since there has yet to be a case of cancer or emphysema attributed to weed. I think there was even a recent study that found that pot can actually reduce/reverse the damage caused by smoking tobacco.

[Ganj]

i just saw a commercial on the tv that said that depression can be caused by high seratonin levels. according to beachguy's signature, one J increases seratonin levels 4,000%. could this be why there are a lot of depressed smokers out there?
go play some blues or something, man. (without reading for the sheer sake of ragging on you) beachguy's signature says that a joint(s) increases MELATONIN levels of 4000% after two hours.

lighten up, bro. i can feel your depression over here. no woman no cry.

[KoRnStaR]

Uh.

Ever since I've started smoking, I've been feeling way less depressed and stressed out about life in general.

[KoRnStaR]

Been doing it so long I can't tell you if my STM worked well before I started. Working in Corp America for so long I have learned to compensate. (my last boss used to laugh at all the post-it notes in my cube) My wife thinks I was probably ADD when I was a kid but back then, they didn't call it that. They called it "sit down and be quiet or I'll kick your ass and then send you to the principal, who will also kick your ass and call your parents who will seriously tan your hide".
Worked way better than Ritalin.
I would beg to differ on the lung damage since there has yet to be a case of cancer or emphysema attributed to weed. I think there was even a recent study that found that pot can actually reduce/reverse the damage caused by smoking tobacco.

The smoke has to have a negative effect on the lungs in some kind of way.

[robert42]

Seriously

People who are MORE LIKELY to smoke weed will ALREADY have a under-lining Depression problem BEFORE smoking weed,

to say theres a link between pot and depression is to say breast milk leads on to alcoholicism (if thats even a word)

[Trichome Creator]

I depressed because I have'nt had any in over two months. :(

[DazedandConfused]

yo ganj, man i am lightened up, you don't even know. i woke n boke in bed.

[UnViaje]

ur all a bunch of flakes for not having any discipline (control over emotions). like i said, i used to be depressed even before trying marijuana, then after noticing the euphoric effects of it later, i used it to feel better. during dry times i didnt n dont stress the fukk out over it, all that says is ur a fukkn lil bitch for getting so emotional, wtf is wrong with yall. fukkn pussies, n u wonder why non-budsmokers dare look down on stoners, thanx a lot fukkn faggots. mind over matter, quit being so damn sensitive.

eat a dick crazypothead, no shit he didnt say people who are stoned are happy. my first statement was intentionally contradicting of weed linked to depression, stay in school lil soft ass queer.

point is, if ur a lil bitch that cant handle not having any smoke, ur the one who needs to stfu, dumbasses. its like yall never even heard of pussy or alcohol.

[GanjaASD847]

Serotonin (is how to spell it) is a hormone, also called 5-hydroxytryptamine, in the pineal gland, blood platelets, the digestive tract, and the brain. Serotonin acts both as a chemical messenger that transmits nerve signals between nerve cells and that causes blood vessels to narrow.

Changes in the serotonin levels in the brain can alter the mood. For example, medications that affect the action of serotonin are used to treat depression.

You want LOTS of Serotonin because low serotonin receptor levels linked to depression.

[DazedandConfused]

calm down dude

[GanjaASD847]

The study examined the brain of a 26-year-old man who had died of a drug overdose. He had been using Ecstasy for nine years, and in the last months of his life had also started using cocaine and heroin. His brain was compared to those from autopsies of 11 healthy people.

"The levels of serotonin and another chemical associated with serotonin were 50 to 80 percent lower in the brain of the Ecstasy user," said study author Stephen Kish, PhD, of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto, Canada. "This is the first study to show that this drug can deplete the level of serotonin in humans."

Ecstasy, which is known chemically as methylenedioxymethamphetamine, or MDMA, is structurally related to the hallucinogen mescaline and the stimulant amphetamine. MDMA causes neurons, or nerve cells, to release serotonin, a neurotransmitter that controls mood, pain perception, sleep, appetite and emotions. Ecstasy users report an increased awareness of emotion and a heightened sense of intimacy.

"Some of the behavioral effects of this drug are probably due to the massive release and depletion of serotonin," Kish said. "And the depression that people feel after going off the drug could also be explained by the depletion of serotonin in the brain."

The low levels of serotonin were found in the striatal area of the brain, which plays a key role in coordinating movement. In addition to serotonin, the level of 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid, also known as 5-HIAA and a major breakdown product of serotonin, was also low in the brain of the Ecstasy user.

"Of course, these findings should be confirmed through additional studies," Kish said. "Conclusions based on a single case can only be tentative."

Researchers confirmed the man's drug use through analysis of his brain, blood and hair. The analysis also confirmed that he had been using cocaine and heroin in the last months of his life. Kish said other research has shown that those drugs do not affect serotonin levels.

The man started using Ecstasy once a month at age 17. His usage increased, and in the last three years of his life he used it four to five nights a week at "rave" clubs, usually including a three-day weekend binge during which he took six to eight tablets. On the day after these binges, his friends said he appeared depressed and had slow speech, movement and reaction time.

Kish said research should also be done to determine whether increasing serotonin levels in people who are going off the drug would help eliminate some of the behavioral problems that occur during withdrawal.

[GanjaASD847]

calm down dude
dude, please, i am calm. i am informing yall! :D :rasta:

[DazedandConfused]

oh no not you, the guy that was above you. the one that was starting to scare people

[nakedgunner]

wat causes depression i think its because us as humans our brains are smart and we dont know wat to do with ourselves. and we dont know wat happens wen we die. who gets depression is it usually older people

[UnViaje]

oh no not you, the guy that was above you. the one that was starting to scare people
lmao, if u noticed i didnt even use one single exlamation mark.
n if vulgarity alone scares you, that is a problem in itself.
i was merely expressing my disgust n vindication for these idiots unwittingly spreading uneducated anti-marijuana propaganda n defending it with the fact that they cant handle not being able to chill out without weed for whatever span of time.
just a damn fukkn shame. oh yeah, kudos on this thread, you really sparked a lively debate. :thumbsup:

[nakedgunner]

wat is deep south texas like

[GanjaASD847]

oh no not you, the guy that was above you. the one that was starting to scare people
lol, alrighty :smokin:

[GanjaASD847]

wat causes depression i think its because us as humans our brains are smart and we dont know wat to do with ourselves. and we dont know wat happens wen we die. who gets depression is it usually older people
wtf :confused: where are the well educated people?

[UnViaje]

wat is deep south texas like
fine dimes like ganja n badazz low priced bud n other means of getting fukkd up
the border is 10-15 minutes from my spot
nice n hot most of the time
palm trees, country, inner city
speaking of palm trees we got this beach everyone goes to called South Padre Island, fukkn crunkd the fukk out on spring break.
beautiful spot really

[bonsaiguy]

The smoke has to have a negative effect on the lungs in some kind of way.

The most noticable effect is a mild form of bronchitis that clears up when you quit. Tokers hack, so to speak. You might notice it when you've been on a hard weekend binge. But I'm sure you're right, it can't be good to have smoke in your lungs. But WTF...you wanna live forever?

[Reefer Rogue]

Everytime i smoke weed i get more and more depressed. <_<

[UnViaje]

Everytime i smoke weed i get more and more depressed. <_<
cuz ur a dumbass punk
pussy

[bonsaiguy]

ur all a bunch of flakes for not having any discipline (control over emotions). like i said, i used to be depressed even before trying marijuana, then after noticing the euphoric effects of it later, i used it to feel better. during dry times i didnt n dont stress the fukk out over it, all that says is ur a fukkn lil bitch for getting so emotional, wtf is wrong with yall. fukkn pussies, n u wonder why non-budsmokers dare look down on stoners, thanx a lot fukkn faggots. mind over matter, quit being so damn sensitive.

eat a dick crazypothead, no shit he didnt say people who are stoned are happy. my first statement was intentionally contradicting of weed linked to depression, stay in school lil soft ass queer.

point is, if ur a lil bitch that cant handle not having any smoke, ur the one who needs to stfu, dumbasses. its like yall never even heard of pussy or alcohol.

I understand what you are saying about dealing with the fact that you have run out and may not find any for a while and for most people, that's exactly what happens. You're bummed out for a couple days and then you get over it. But you need to get a better inderstanding about the fact that depression is, in many cases, a real, measurable medical condition caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain and if you already had that imbalance, then became a pot smoker which will relieve the symptoms (ie..self medication be it in the form of weed, alcohol, pills or whatever) they will come back hard when you run out. A lot of this depends on how heavy of a smoker you are as well as dozens of other factors including family history, genetics, other drugs you might be using etc. Then again, depression can also be a symptom of some trauma that has occurred in the past such as physical/sexual abuse, rape, violence etc. so all in all, it's a tricky subject at best that science is only beginning to get a handle on. We haven't been putting a lot of effort in to studying the effects of MJ for very long and little or no objective studies here in the US because of the drug laws and the damned DEA.
And there is new data being released daily both good and bad, on the effects of MJ on the human psyche and physiology. Don't discount the negative info out there as being just another way for the man to scare us off of pot. ON the same note, don't discount the recent reports on the medical value of pot as just a bunch of stoners trying to justify their drug use. Read the data both good and bad and make your own decision which, most of us on this board have already made.

[UnViaje]

i hear u bonsai, nice post btw. i'm just a firm believer that depression is a choice n not a disease since i had it but had an epiphany one day, as goes for alcohol addiction, its fukkn all bs the way i see it. n i am aware of certain negative effects, but i see it all as a infantile mood swing. people need to seriously realize theres no point to feeling such despair, a waste of time.

[Nochowderforyou]

i hear u bonsai, nice post btw. i'm just a firm believer that depression is a choice n not a disease since i had it but had an epiphany one day, as goes for alcohol addiction, its fukkn all bs the way i see it. n i am aware of certain negative effects, but i see it all as a infantile mood swing. people need to seriously realize theres no point to feeling such despair, a waste of time.

That's too bad you feel that way, but you are uneducated in this matter.

Some depression can be overcome, yes, but there is some, like I said earlier, that is unavoidable and you cannot just tell your brain to be happy. I'm bi-polar, was diagnosed when I was 15, before I tried any alcohol, drugs, or prescription drugs. I lack the flow of seratonin in my brain. This natural chemical is not flowing, or all being freed, it is trapped.

No matter what I did, I was so depressed some days I couldn't even lift my head, and no, keeping myself busy does not work. :rolleyes: You have breakdowns in grocery stores for no reason, you can't move, you feel numb, I couldn't help it.

What I'm saying is, nothing caused my depression, my mother has it, and her mother had it. It is something I cannot help without the use of some kind of medicine, and I've made my choice ;)

But being depressed because you don't have any pot, give me a break.

[Reefer Rogue]

cuz ur a dumbass punk
pussy

Try comprehending sarcasm. It seems you are the 'dumbass punk' and a 'pussy.' :thumbsup:

[Mello.as.Hello]

wtf :confused: where are the well educated people?

I don't really know. I'm entirely aware of the difference between melatonin and seratonin, and I was long before this thread, but I don't feel the need to drag it out. There are very well-written websites as well as a full gambit of texts out there on this subject that I feel can do better than I. I also doubt that the heavy participants in this thread did a whole lot of research, since you could probably Google "Depression seratonin cause" and find a plethora of useful info.

I think this thread has really become a fight between those who believe depression is a desease or a medical problem versus those who feel it is a personal choice or confusion. It really has little to do with seratonin at this point.

[CrAzYpOtHeAd]

ur all a bunch of flakes for not having any discipline (control over emotions). like i said, i used to be depressed even before trying marijuana, then after noticing the euphoric effects of it later, i used it to feel better. during dry times i didnt n dont stress the fukk out over it, all that says is ur a fukkn lil bitch for getting so emotional, wtf is wrong with yall. fukkn pussies, n u wonder why non-budsmokers dare look down on stoners, thanx a lot fukkn faggots. mind over matter, quit being so damn sensitive.

eat a dick crazypothead, no shit he didnt say people who are stoned are happy. my first statement was intentionally contradicting of weed linked to depression, stay in school lil soft ass queer.

point is, if ur a lil bitch that cant handle not having any smoke, ur the one who needs to stfu, dumbasses. its like yall never even heard of pussy or alcohol.


STFU asshole, i never said i get depressed when i have no weed. iv been dry 3 months(unfortenly) and calling us all dumbasses and pussie's is not helping anyone.

So stfu you fowl mouthed little bastard.

[tripsalot]

pots mmm mmm good

[Nochowderforyou]

pots mmm mmm good

what's pot? ;)

[LOVElife]

cuz ur a dumbass punk
pussy
Even Arnie Thinks you should just:. . . . . . .

[GanjaASD847]

I don't really know. I'm entirely aware of the difference between melatonin and seratonin, and I was long before this thread, but I don't feel the need to drag it out. There are very well-written websites as well as a full gambit of texts out there on this subject that I feel can do better than I. I also doubt that the heavy participants in this thread did a whole lot of research, since you could probably Google "Depression seratonin cause" and find a plethora of useful info.

I think this thread has really become a fight between those who believe depression is a desease or a medical problem versus those who feel it is a personal choice or confusion. It really has little to do with seratonin at this point.you're right, but i am trying to make a point here. Some people have no idea (IN GENERAL) what the hell their talking about.

[mrdevious]

i just saw a commercial on the tv that said that depression can be caused by high seratonin levels. according to beachguy's signature, one J increases seratonin levels 4,000%. could this be why there are a lot of depressed smokers out there?

What I had heard is that it raises your melatonin 4,000%.

[UnViaje]

In your case nochowder I can understand n sympathize. crazypot head u ARE a pussy n i wasnt intending on helping anyone in the first place shithead. lmao, go play in traffic lovelife. Mello, good point, although this was about weed linked to depression. The funny thing about the whole subject is that even scientists are not too entirely sure what factors add up to depression, aside serotonin levels. I just saw a commercial for depressionhurts.com including the subject of serotonin as well as norepinephrine, but is funded by a pharmaceutical drug company, that started with a statement about proposed causes with "scientists think", an obvious wildcard. Various research studies contradict one widely accepted cause, then another in turn n so forth. In some cases a test subject who reportedly inherited a 'genetic depression' ended up aiding themselves unwittingly by means of a placebo. In another, a patient on anti-depressants ended up developing an actual more serious disorder. So in some cases as nochowderforyou theres plausible reason, but too many people out there easily succumb to needless medication n practices, produced by drug makers, that only hinder their emotional/physical functioning more than with depression alone. Aside that, here is an article origianlly from sciencedirect.com on a new study conducted indicating that marijuana does not cause depression.
http://www.mpp.org/releases/nr20051117.html

[BaseRSX]

A major cause of depression is when the â??sendingâ?� side of brain cells sending the Serotonin to the other side, reabsorbs the serotonin it just sent out and the receiving side never gets it. Thatâ??s why drugs like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, etc. are called SSRIs. SSRI stands for â??selective serotonin reuptake inhibitorâ?�. they prevent the sending side for reabsorbing it thus allowing the receiving side to actually get the serotonin.

Also I saw a show about that is how the drug extacy works. It causes your brain to dump all of its serotonin all at once, 10 to 20 times the normal amount your receiving side usually gets. That is why it makes you feel really good. But then when it wears off your sending side has no serotonin left so it leaves you feeling VERY depressed for 12 hours or so when you come down from it.

I personally have never tried X but that is how it works.

[robert42]

Also I saw a show about that is how the drug extacy works. It causes your brain to dump all of its serotonin all at once, 10 to 20 times the normal amount your receiving side usually gets. That is why it makes you feel really good. But then when it wears off your sending side has no serotonin left so it leaves you feeling VERY depressed for 12 hours or so when you come down from it.

I personally have never tried X but that is how it works.

yea this is true,

ill see if i can find a link that proves this, i had a gr8 link that showed some good research between the links

[beachguy in thongs]

you're right, but i am trying to make a point here. Some people have no idea (IN GENERAL) what the hell their talking about.
What are we talking about :what: :stoned:

[beachguy in thongs]

Oh, depression.

Well, Cheer Up, Buddy!!! :smokin:

[UnViaje]

didnt happen with me base. one lil special pill tho, thats for damn sure

Oh, depression.

Well, Cheer Up, Buddy!!!
yup

[Reefer Rogue]

Imo, if smoking weed makes you depresed then you should stop smoking. Weed has NEVER made me depressed infact it's the complete opposite each and every time i smoke.

[rzaodb6]

Ive read so many theories i could have believed and then laughed when i didnt care about any of them. Live your life your thinking too much meditate or some shit.

[bonsaiguy]

In your case nochowder I can understand n sympathize. crazypot head u ARE a pussy n i wasnt intending on helping anyone in the first place shithead. lmao, go play in traffic lovelife. Mello, good point, although this was about weed linked to depression. The funny thing about the whole subject is that even scientists are not too entirely sure what factors add up to depression, aside serotonin levels. I just saw a commercial for depressionhurts.com including the subject of serotonin as well as norepinephrine, but is funded by a pharmaceutical drug company, that started with a statement about proposed causes with "scientists think", an obvious wildcard. Various research studies contradict one widely accepted cause, then another in turn n so forth. In some cases a test subject who reportedly inherited a 'genetic depression' ended up aiding themselves unwittingly by means of a placebo. In another, a patient on anti-depressants ended up developing an actual more serious disorder. So in some cases as nochowderforyou theres plausible reason, but too many people out there easily succumb to needless medication n practices, produced by drug makers, that only hinder their emotional/physical functioning more than with depression alone. Aside that, here is an article origianlly from sciencedirect.com on a new study conducted indicating that marijuana does not cause depression.
http://www.mpp.org/releases/nr20051117.html

In the 50's and 60's valium was known as mothers little helper, not just by the rolling stones, and was prescribed to the point that it created it's own rehab industry...since the 80's it's been paxil, welbutrin, prozac, etc etc. The problem lies in having a shitload of general practitioners who think they can diagnose a mental disorder and passing the shit out like it was candy to all the whiney yuppies (probably just to get them out of their ofices) who were having "stressful" lives. Many of them (the yuppies) thought for some reason that they should be happy 365/24/7 and the drug companies jumped on it and managed to convince the medical community as well. Just supports my belief that the american public will buy anything. Witness the pet rock...the patent for it sold for over $4million. ( a lot of money in the 70's)

[Ganj]

yo ganj, man i am lightened up, you don't even know. i woke n boke in bed.
right on, brother! don't fret it, man. time is an obstacle we must all face, what you do in that time is what matters. it's natural to feel depressed when passing time, once it's gone, it's gone and you can't get it back.

[UnViaje]

In the 50's and 60's valium was known as mothers little helper, not just by the rolling stones, and was prescribed to the point that it created it's own rehab industry...since the 80's it's been paxil, welbutrin, prozac, etc etc. The problem lies in having a shitload of general practitioners who think they can diagnose a mental disorder and passing the shit out like it was candy to all the whiney yuppies (probably just to get them out of their ofices) who were having "stressful" lives. Many of them (the yuppies) thought for some reason that they should be happy 365/24/7 and the drug companies jumped on it and managed to convince the medical community as well. Just supports my belief that the american public will buy anything. Witness the pet rock...the patent for it sold for over $4million. ( a lot of money in the 70's)
true

[spacelamb]

It's true that low seratonin levels can cause depression. I'm on disablility because of depression, and have been for almost 5 years. I have what is called "major, chronic, treatment resistant clinical depression". Whew, that's a mouthful! I have tried a dozen different drugs and drug combos, and even had electroconvulsive therapy a couple of years ago. It didn't help me, but it did fuck up my memory a lot.
I find that smoking bud actually helps with my depression....with my general mood anyway. I tend to think about my moods and emotions more clearly and actually have some insights that help me out when dealing with daily life.

Have a safe and joyful holiday everyone!

[Ep180]

I believe that smoking helps depression, but again just my 2 cents. I had depression for awhile, just about family stuff, etc. I was put onto a medication, which worked, but I dunno something about it made me feel weird. I started smoking and got off the medication and now i feel better then i have ever felt before. The medication comes no where close to what smoking has done for me. Again just my two cents, just thought I would share.

[moeburn]

Think about it. What if it was determined that yes, there is a fancy little chemical just like all the other 'hard' drugs that cannabis plays with and depletes and that particular chemical is what makes you depressed and tired all the time.

What if it was finally determined that weed is no less addictive than all the other drugs out there.

What if all the prescription drug companies finally said "You know what, maybe our anti-depressants we're handing out really are bad for the people out there?"

Would any of you really give a rats ass enough to put the pipe down and love your brothers and sisters?

Or would you realise that weed is also no more addictive than all the other drugs out there as well?

Weed isn't gonna do any more harm to you than if you pointed a fucking loaded gun to your own head. Neither is a perscription drug. Neither is capitalism. Or george bush. Or death. Only the person behind the gun is gonna harm you. Only you.

Fight him. Your head will collapse, and when there's nothing in it, you'll ask yourself; "Where is my mind?"

[moeburn]

Weed never helped you get through your rough times. Weed never jumped out of a bag and said "there there, its allright". Weed never smoked itself and flew into your lungs. Weed never forced you to be depressed when it destroyed itself from smoking itself and forcing you to inhale it, because you ran out of weed and it was all gone and all you had left was you and your friends.

Weed never helped you have fun at a party. It never helped you laugh, and it never made you hungry.

Weed never made you panic, it never made your heart race, it never made you wanna puke.

All that cannabis, weed, marijuana, pot, wanted to do, was grow. Be a plant. Be a weed.

You're the one that smoked it.