Gay Adoption?

[Az.]

Not sure if this should be posted here but....it is now...

I was just wondering what your opinions of gay couples adopting babies was.

I don't really think they should be able to get surrogate (sp!) mothers to have the children for them...but I think they should be allowed to adopt children who are in care.

Just wondering what everyone else thought about this?

[MullManiac]

Now i am actualy against that, i have nothing against gays and i have a few good friends who are but i dont think it is right to bring a child up under those circumstances.
Although as a last resort if a child has no were else to go it would be a good thing but under normal circumstances i dissagree with it.

[Miggoll]

I think every child deserves a loving home, gay, straight or whatever.

[alex32]

I also dont agree, if a child is brought up with a gay couple as parents, wont it in some way tell the child that being gay is a good thing to do?. The gay couple could be the best parents ever, but overall it is the childs decision wether to turn gay or not, not up to the parents, the parents merely give the impression to the children that being gay isnt bad. I think that gay parents would only confuse the child sexually. And that is why i disagree, because it is better for the child to be straight- although i am not saying being gay is bad, just for the childs sake, its better to be straight. Atleast that is what i think.

[GanjaASD847]

I think every child deserves a loving home, gay, straight or whatever.
I totally agree! 100%... :D

[Az.]

Now i am actualy against that, i have nothing against gays and i have a few good friends who are but i dont think it is right to bring a child up under those circumstances.

under what circumstances?


I also dont agree, if a child is brought up with a gay couple as parents, wont it in some way tell the child that being gay is a good thing to do?. The gay couple could be the best parents ever, but overall it is the childs decision wether to turn gay or not, not up to the parents, the parents merely give the impression to the children that being gay isnt bad. I think that gay parents would only confuse the child sexually. And that is why i disagree, because it is better for the child to be straight- although i am not saying being gay is bad, just for the childs sake, its better to be straight. Atleast that is what i think.

I don't think that having gay parents will make the child grow up to be gay....it may open his eyes to same sex relationships somewhat more than a child brought up under a male/female relationship...but I dont think it will make them gay

does anyone know if sexuality is genetic or is it learnt?

I agree that aslong as the parents have unconditional love for their child then it should be allowed...and I don't think it will change the child for the worse.

[Az.]

Oops...double post, sorry!

[alex32]

I think some research was done that said it might be genetic, but i know it can be learnt too, some people are put off one sex for whatever reasons. I dont think it WILL make the child gay, but it will certainly give the child more chance of being gay.

[powair]

Of course they should be allowed to adopt children! Why on earth wouldn't they?

[powair]

I think some research was done that said it might be genetic, but i know it can be learnt too, some people are put off one sex for whatever reasons. I dont think it WILL make the child gay, but it will certainly give the child more chance of being gay.

so what?

[Az.]

Of course they should be allowed to adopt children! Why on earth wouldn't they?

I agree....and thats what I want to find out....why people might think that it shouldn't be allowed........

[beachguy in thongs]

It doesn't sound bad. If two guys from New York want to take a newborn Zimbabwean baby to the Promised Land, then let him. I highly doubt he'd turn gay, unless it's already in his genes.

I'm telling you, there's spots on the brain and gays have less than straights, proving that we're genetically programmed to become transexuals.

[lemonboy]

I dont think it WILL make the child gay, but it will certainly give the child more chance of being gay.How many children do YOU know that want to be anywhere near their parents sex lives? Gay or straight I think the response would be a resounding ewww.

The only thing that ever matters to a child is whether they know they are loved. They don't sit down to consider all the "what ifs" because they simply don't have the capacity to do so. Arguing for some magical "ideal" family is foolish. There is more to family than how we appear in our Christmas card photos.

[SomeGuy]

Im not really sure on this matter, but as I see it having gay parents would probaly have psycological effects on the child. Im not sayomg Im against gays though... The worst thing would be all the trauma the child would recieve at school...ect. The endless ridiculing, and questioning why the child dosnt have a mom could lead to dression and or suicide...

[kiki]

I think that the best option for a child is a loving mother and father, and studies show that these kids grow up more psychologically healthy than kids raised in other situations. At the same time, having two loving gay parents is so much better than other options, like bouncing around in different foster care homes or living with abusive heterosexual parents.

[deathbyvalley]

i don't think so. kids can grow up in shitty environments be it with a gay couple or a staright couple. i know a bunch of gay couples who would provide such loving, nurturing homes for kids. living with gay parents WILL NOT make the kid gay, it could just set an example of a loving relationship. plus, what about all of the straight couples that raised gay children? i think if anyone can provide a child with a good home should be able to adopt.

[Smoking Ganja]

i don't think so. kids can grow up in shitty environments be it with a gay couple or a staright couple. i know a bunch of gay couples who would provide such loving, nurturing homes for kids. living with gay parents WILL NOT make the kid gay, it could just set an example of a loving relationship. plus, what about all of the straight couples that raised gay children? i think if anyone can provide a child with a good home should be able to adopt.
exactly. And whether ur gay or not is genetic its not just like u decide to like men ur born that way thats how ur brain and horomones work.

[OzzyOz]

our society hasn't really accepted people being "gay"

just imagine all of the problems/harrasment the kid would get at school...

[Shelbay]

exactly. And whether ur gay or not is genetic its not just like u decide to like men ur born that way thats how ur brain and horomones work.
What about women? Do you think we are born this way..or life will make her prefer women over me? Seriously..I think in some cases it's not a born with it thing..it could be acquired along life's "paths"?

[Psycho4Bud]

Im not really sure on this matter, but as I see it having gay parents would probaly have psycological effects on the child. Im not sayomg Im against gays though... The worst thing would be all the trauma the child would recieve at school...ect. The endless ridiculing, and questioning why the child dosnt have a mom could lead to dression and or suicide...

Kind of with ya on that. They may be great parents but for a boy with two dads....that would be grounds for an ass whoopin' at the school. Not right, but that's how it would be.

[mellow mood]

im not against gays adopting children at all, but i think, as ozzy said, that it might cause probs to the child coz of his situation, because society isnt still fully accepting gays

[opiuser]

its probly not gonna make the kid gay. the kid will be attracted to whatever sex she/he is naturally attracted to.

if the kidis gay, they're gay, if not they're not

[MullManiac]

its probly not gonna make the kid gay. the kid will be attracted to whatever sex she/he is naturally attracted to.

if the kidis gay, they're gay, if not they're not

I dissagree partly with this, i believe it is a result of upbringing, but i dont think the parants being gay will affect if the child is gay or not.
But i do think it will result in the child being bullied and having low self-esteam etc.

I mean i would rather a child be addoped by gay parants then grow up in an orphanage and get kicked out onto the street at 16, but i'd rather see a child with straight parants then gay ones for the childs sake.

[Az.]

I agree that bullying would become a BIG problem because of the ways that some children are raised...which sucks...and I can't really see a way around this bullying, the other children are going to find out at some point.

I've never thought of sexuality being genetic...I always thought it was learn't...but i guess it makes sense that it is genetic, because a gay person can't help being gay as much as a straight person can't help being straight....

I suppose it would have some psychological effects on the child as well cause isn't there a bonding period of time that all children need to have with their mother otherwise it effects somthing (i'll find out after and post).

hmmmm.... I really don't know any more....

[Polymirize]

yeah, I mean, god forbid the next generation actually self examines their own sexuality and make the best personal choice rather than respond to stereotypes and fear of stigmatization.

"Oh wait, don't misunderstand, I'm all for gay adoption. We just have to protect all the innocent children from the ignorant people in society who would attack them. Not me. The other people. Ignorant people."

Apparently.

Some of you need to stop passively being part of the problem, and start actively becoming part of the solution...

[Az.]

well this is the best i can find....i looked through a couple of books about attachment and this is all I could come up with....

Attachment Disorder -- a mental and emotional condition occurring during the first three years of life where a child does not attach, bond, or trust his or her mother.

The importance of an attachment relationship between mother and child cannot be over-emphasized. Attachment is all about building relationships. Humans need attachments with others for their psychological and emotional development as well as for their survival. Infants need to be physically close to the mother and be able to receive and give affection to form an enduring emotional bond.

So being put in foster care alone can cause problems.....HOWEVER

I recently read a study about attachment and it is possible for a child to lead a perfectly happy life after it has been in adoption.....but only if it is taken by new parents and not it's biological parents...

so I believe (apart from bullying) that it is possible for the child to have a "normal" happy childhood with loving gay parents...

Polymirize that is a very good point...althoguh i don't completly understand all of what you are saying.....

[Polymirize]

Polymirize that is a very good point...althoguh i don't completly understand all of what you are saying.....

Apologies. I believe I was high at the time of my previous posting. As this is currently the case as well, we'll see how this works out the second time around:

I guess my central point (among others) is that a lot of people seem to think that unfair prejudices towards the gay community need to end. But instead of getting involved, or voting (in our sorry excuse for democracy [US]) these people merely sit back, idly typing on internet message boards about how change would be great but the time just isn't here.

No idea is ever going to have a 100% approval rating. But maybe if we changed the way we treated kids, and raised them, and educated them, some of them would turn out not as ignorant as their parents and we could start working towards this perfect world everyone seems to be sitting back and waiting for.

Gandhi didn't decide to just wait till oppression wasn't convient for the British Empire afterall...

[robert42]

who u adopting :p

[BizzleLuvin]

i dont like the idea of surrogate mothers. there are plenty of other beautiful children waiting to be adopted, there is no need for more children to take thier places. and as for gay adoption: why not?? i read this hilarious book on just this subject caled 'the kid'

[Toothpick]

I say no cuz that kid is gonna get the shit kicked out of him when he gets to school. To be honest as bad as this will make me look I think that homosexuality in most hands is bad. Why? Because of disease. Now whereas the Gay foster parents may be together and not sleeping around if that kid now has a stronger chance of being gay and since in general most people straight or not in their teens have multiple partners if they are going to be sexualy active. So bassically that rounds off to if you think gay adoption should be aloud gays should be aloud. I think that it shouldnt be aloud for a gay to have multiple partners and till that is fixed then gay adoption should not be aloud. Now their is still the fact that straight people can have diseases to from sleeping around I think that should be fixed to but not before its fixed gays. Why? Because homosexuality was the beginning of aids where it passed on to straights. So homosexuality is the start of alot. Ok now please dont take this into sum anti gay thing as im really stoned right now and writing down just my personal thoughts when stoned and im not sure if those are my real thoughts.:) hope this made sense PEACE

[deathbyvalley]

what most of the people here tend to forget, though, is that many gay couples with children have groups they go to with other gay families, and many children with gay parents have friends who have gay parents. they're raised in a household that is understanding, as well as a support group of people who are in the same boat (yeah, i know people with gay parents, they do go to groups with their parents and all that stuff). i think that people need to be more understanding and get over themselves enough to let the possibility of other people being happy not get their panties in a twist. my biggest pet peeve are people who believe they have the right to decide who gets to be happy or not.

[Reefer Rogue]

I saw a wife swap where the family was gay and their kids were more then fine.

[BizzleLuvin]

gay couples have been rearing children for DEADES. why dont we hear about it???? because the kids turn out perfectly normal and the media doesnt want to hear that, they want to sensationalize on the poor kid who had two mommies turned crack addcit. I AM AN EXAMPLE OF THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my mom married TWICE before she came out. she divorced her second husband when i was 3. six years later, she came out and met Barbara. my mom and barb have raised me and my brother TOGETHER since i was nine. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO POINT OUT SOME DETRIMENTAL QUALITIES IN ME THAT HAVE STEMMED FROM THIS UNION???? cause i cant seem to find any. i am a normal 18 year old with two moms who i love for loving me back and creating a healthy and accepting environment for me. sometiems i even think its better to have two moms than one parent of each sex. my moms have tought me to be a confident, outright, proud woman who is comfortable with her body and sexuality and lets nothing question it.

[Az.]

But maybe if we changed the way we treated kids, and raised them, and educated them, some of them would turn out not as ignorant as their parents and we could start working towards this perfect world everyone seems to be sitting back and waiting for.

Gandhi didn't decide to just wait till oppression wasn't convient for the British Empire afterall...

thats actually kinda why i started this thread...thought that they are not allowed to teach about homosexuality in schools...which i think is a BIG problem, cause lots of people really don't understand that being gay (or at least in my mind) is as normal as being straight....it's just one of the facts of life....some people are attracted to the same sex.

lol Rob42 :D

Toothpick....Come to think of it I never really thought about where aids came from....do you know for a fact that hiv/aids came from gays??
LOL....i didn't actually understand very much more of what you said...lol...you must have been stoned :) but this made me laugh
"So bassically that rounds off to if you think gay adoption should be aloud gays should be aloud."
......lol....obviously....:)


BizzleLuvin: that is awsome!!! That makes me really happy :D

[BizzleLuvin]

BizzleLuvin: that is awsome!!! That makes me really happy :D

me too. i someti mes get beef for it but most of the time i get honest curiosity of warm appreciation.

[Az.]

ok so i've been thinking....
do you think if a man wanted children of his own but was gay...should he be allowed to get a surroget mother to have his child for him and his partner?

i also thought of another situation...but its left my mind at this moment in time....

p.s just so you know, i'm not gay...this may seem like i'm putting myself in these situations but honestly i'm just trying to see things from other peoples point of view...see their morals etc etc

[beaugossemm]

Everyone should be able to adopt a child and give them love and provide a home for them. Someone's sexuality has no affect on how they will take care of a child. And i have friends who have Two mommies or Two Daddies, and they are more open and more understanding about racial differences, sexual preferences, and shit like that. people with a mom and a dad can come out pretty fucked up (look at the Pres of USA; if he had two daddies, he might be a bit cooler than he is)

[BabyFacedAbortion]

All babies deserve homes, and I completely support that
but I don't support gays using a child as a image of their love for eachother or what ever. I think some gays adopt children to prove something to america's heterosexual society.

[Euphoric]

[U]because the kids turn out perfectly normal and the media doesnt want to hear that, they want to sensationalize on the poor kid who had two mommies turned crack addcit. I AM AN EXAMPLE OF THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i..ff u say so :D

[Easy Roller]

No No NO!!!

[beachguy in thongs]

not get their panties in a twist.
Oh, God, do you know how much that would hurt my nuts?!?!?!
-----------------------------------------------
If it's legal, then by all means, go pick up a baby.

If not, fight for your right.

[Kryzco]

I think every child deserves a loving home, gay, straight or whatever.
I agree

Hey gay people have to go through the same shit as us smokers, the govt says bullshit propganda just like they do to us. They feed america bullshit so that they look right. Its ignorant to say that a gay couple couldn't raise a child properly. Well look at all the shit straight couples do sometimes, domestic violence, child abuse, child molestation. It doesn't matter the sexual orientation, the only thing that matters are the parents themselves, if they are both mentally and financially capable of raising a child, then why shouldn't they. If I gave my kid up for adoption, I would much rather give my child to a loving gay couple, then a straight couple who fights all the time. All I can say times are changing. As for the religious part of it, I don't think religion really beats down on gays, people say it does, but there is no proof. If god loves all his children so much, then why does he hate gays? I'm not saying gay couples are better, or straight couples are worse, I am simply saying that as long as the parents are loving devoted parent, then the sexual orientation makes no difference, The only thing I am aware of is that children from gay families usually develope anti-gay around puberty, but most get over it. I saw a show on the discovery channel about a lesbian family and a gay family raising children and it seemed to be no different.

[halo]

True every child deserves a loving family but theres nothing like the bond a child has with his mother.

[Kryzco]

I agree with that, but my mother died 4 years ago, and my dad has stepped up to raise me like my mom and my dad at the same time, besides my own emotional issues about my mom, I live a decent life, my brother helped raise me right, and I look at him as if he was my mother because he resembles her so much, and believes the same way she did, me and my dad fight a lot but nevertheless we had bonded more since what happened. Basically for the past 4 years I was raised by two guys and I'm generally normal.

[beachguy in thongs]

All you need is a pizza place, Kryzco.

Remember that show, ah, it's stupid, anyways, 2 guys (oh maybe there's a girl involved) and a pizza place.

Sorry to hear of your Mother.

[kuulbns]

Most people have the biological ability to produce children,... however it takes effort to be a good parent. If someone goes through the proper home screening and follow-up visits to be an adoptive parent, I don't think their sexual orientation is any more important than their color or religion. There are many children in need of good homes, bless those that care for them.

[Az.]

Most people have the biological ability to produce children,... however it takes effort to be a good parent. If someone goes through the proper home screening and follow-up visits to be an adoptive parent, I don't think their sexual orientation is any more important than their color or religion. There are many children in need of good homes, bless those that care for them.

I couldn't agree more :D

[beachguy in thongs]

I think it's more of a question of lasting-relationships.

[robert42]

so did u and beachguy ever adopt that kid?

[beachguy in thongs]

Yup, and we named her Robert42.

[Fengzi]

If you think about all the fucked up people raising kids out there how can you ever say that a gay couple could be any worse. Ever hear of Prussian Blue? http://www.prussianblue.net They're a couple of young girls, like 8th grade, who have their own little pop band, released cds and everything. Sounds nice huh? Only problem is that its a white supremecy band. Yep, 8th graders sending out messages of hate. Where'd they learn it, from their parents obviously.

All the gays that I have known have been good people. Its long been proven that homosexuality isn't learned, its hard wired into your brain. Growing up as a child of a gay couple won't turn the kid gay. It will probably make him more accepting of other people, and probably give him some awesome fashion sense, but other than that he/she will most likley be hetero.

So, who would you rather have adopting a child? A loving and accepting gay couple or a white supremecist couple?

[Fengzi]

Wow, I guess racists do make good parents after all

http://www.rac-usa.org/wau/babydrive.html

[JustSayNo]

I've recently registered to donate my sperm to lesbian couples,

I don't see the problem,

it's fresh sperm so the conventional laws coverning frozen sperm do not apply,

the pizza delivery boy calls round to your home, collects the package and races on his moped to the recipients home.

[l330]

I am homosexual and my daddy is stepfather( from Germany)
Is it crime?

[purplehazemaster]

I think if gay people want to be gay, they can go be gay by themselves, ain't gotta bring no damn kids into it, pretty soon we gon have the "The United Gay States Of AMerica" gays are fine an great but yall don no nunt bout some strait people.