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beachguy in thongs
12-14-2005, 11:35 PM
Well, maybe not "light" speed, but it gives a new meaning to "stoned" speed.
I just posted this in another thread. But I'm racing 3-Sheets to 10,000 posts.

NEUROBIOLOGY: ON MARIJUANA CANNABINOIDS
Experiments indicate that endogenous cannabinoids are involved in
retrograde signaling in the brain. Signaling by the
endocannabinoid system represents a mechanism by which neurons
can communicate backwards across synapses to modulate their
inputs. The new results represent the first identification of a
physiological process mediated by endogenous brain cannabinoids.

-Science Week

3 Sheets To The Wind
12-14-2005, 11:37 PM
Well, maybe not "light" speed, but it gives a new meaning to "stoned" speed.
I just posted this in another thread. But I'm racing 3-Sheets to 10,000 posts.

NEUROBIOLOGY: ON MARIJUANA CANNABINOIDS
Experiments indicate that endogenous cannabinoids are involved in
retrograde signaling in the brain. Signaling by the
endocannabinoid system represents a mechanism by which neurons
can communicate backwards across synapses to modulate their
inputs. The new results represent the first identification of a
physiological process mediated by endogenous brain cannabinoids.

You'll never beat me there, I'm over 1,200 posts ahead of you lol.

You can try though mate :)

beachguy in thongs
12-14-2005, 11:42 PM
You'll never beat me there, I'm over 1,200 posts ahead of you lol.

You can try though mate :)
That's okay. I kinda conceded the race, that one day, when I had 5,500 posts and you 4,899, then the next day you 6,800.

3 Sheets To The Wind
12-15-2005, 12:01 AM
That's okay. I kinda conceded the race, that one day, when I had 5,500 posts and you 4,899, then the next day you 6,800.

Yeah lol :p Well not really.. I didn't post 901 times in a day lol.. You were 11 posts ahead of me at one point, so I crept past you without arousing suspicion, and now I'm beating you :p

CocaCola
12-15-2005, 12:02 AM
3 Sheets = Uber e-geek!1

3 Sheets To The Wind
12-15-2005, 12:04 AM
3 Sheets = Uber e-geek!1

Thanks, oh yeah, I love your old avatar, the smiley drinkin'! lol.

Me and Beachguy = Cool guys.

CocaCola
12-15-2005, 12:22 AM
Yo, for you 3 Sheets!1

beachguy in thongs
12-15-2005, 12:58 AM
Thanks, oh yeah, I love your old avatar, the smiley drinkin'! lol.

Me and Beachguy = Cool guys.

I (beachguy) = Cool guy.
You (3-sheet)= s.

3 Sheets To The Wind
12-15-2005, 01:05 AM
Yo, for you 3 Sheets!1

YAY, I have it as an emoticon on MSN (as 'lifted by someone else) :)

3 Sheets To The Wind
12-15-2005, 01:06 AM
I (beachguy) = Cool guy.
You (3-sheet)= s.

Oi, how dare you... I'm worth more than "s" :eek:

Ganj
12-15-2005, 01:07 AM
Well, maybe not "light" speed, but it gives a new meaning to "stoned" speed.
I just posted this in another thread. But I'm racing 3-Sheets to 10,000 posts.

NEUROBIOLOGY: ON MARIJUANA CANNABINOIDS
Experiments indicate that endogenous cannabinoids are involved in
retrograde signaling in the brain. Signaling by the
endocannabinoid system represents a mechanism by which neurons
can communicate backwards across synapses to modulate their
inputs. The new results represent the first identification of a
physiological process mediated by endogenous brain cannabinoids.

-Science Week
your eyes must be brown.

beachguy in thongs
12-15-2005, 01:33 AM
Good guess, I bet yours are, too.



Oi, how dare you... I'm worth more than "s" :eek:

Yeah, you're right. You're good for an "orry", also. :stoned:

flamingskullballs
12-15-2005, 01:38 AM
im way behind, and cant even wish for as much as beachguy or 3 sheets...i am, however, nearing 2000

3 Sheets To The Wind
12-15-2005, 01:40 AM
Good guess, I bet yours are, too.




Yeah, you're right. You're good for an "orry", also. :stoned:

Haha cheers mate :D

Anyway I need to recharge for tomorrow.. bye xxx :D

beachguy in thongs
12-15-2005, 02:19 AM
im way behind, and cant even wish for as much as beachguy or 3 sheets...i am, however, nearing 2000
Ahhh, you're really cool, I'll tell you what.

If you don't tell that toTheWind guy, while he's sleeping, I'll slip you a couple grand. :stoned:

flamingskullballs
12-15-2005, 02:24 AM
If you don't tell that toTheWind guy, while he's sleeping, I'll slip you a couple grand. :stoned: [/SIZE]...no, i should give you mine so you can win the race to 10,000
in fact...i should ask ron if he can put a negative sign in front of my post count...just for shits and giggles and giggly shits

beachguy in thongs
12-15-2005, 02:45 AM
We should all fuck with Josh, and ask Ron if he could set everyone's to 8,888 when Three Sheets signs back in.

flamingskullballs
12-15-2005, 02:48 AM
hahaha

Reefer Rogue
12-15-2005, 12:14 PM
Well, maybe not "light" speed, but it gives a new meaning to "stoned" speed.
I just posted this in another thread. But I'm racing 3-Sheets to 10,000 posts.

NEUROBIOLOGY: ON MARIJUANA CANNABINOIDS
Experiments indicate that endogenous cannabinoids are involved in
retrograde signaling in the brain. Signaling by the
endocannabinoid system represents a mechanism by which neurons
can communicate backwards across synapses to modulate their
inputs. The new results represent the first identification of a
physiological process mediated by endogenous brain cannabinoids.

-Science Week

Very interesting, i didn't understand all the technicle jargon but meh. :thumbsup:

beachguy in thongs
12-15-2005, 07:21 PM
Neurons in your brain communicate through synapses. I'm not a Brain Major, but this sounds to me like, when you're stoned, your brain molecules are faster adapters to its' environment and they can communicate with feedback.

Down to one line:
Your brain's neurons are patrolling your brain when your stoned.

I guess your spine and other nerves, also. But there is no chemical change.

tylerkane
12-16-2005, 05:39 AM
I bet anything a hippy scientist wrote that

beachguy in thongs
12-16-2005, 06:07 AM
NEUROBIOLOGY: ON MARIJUANA CANNABINOIDS
The drug "marijuana" is derived from the hemp plant Cannabis
sativa. The parts of the plant vary in potency, the resinous
exudate of the flowering tops of the female plant the most
potent, providing "hashish" and "charas". Next in potency are the
dried leaves and flowering shoots of the female plant (providing
"bhang"), and the resinous mass from small leaves of
inflorescence (providing "ganja"). The drug is usually inhaled by
smoking, with marijuana "joints" containing approximately 500
milligrams of marijuana, which in turn contains approximately 5
to 15 milligrams of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC).
With moderate dosage, marijuana produces mild euphoria
followed by sleepiness. In the acute state, the user has an
altered time perception, less inhibited emotions, psychomotor
problems, and impaired immediate memory. High doses produce
transient effects resembling psychosis. The drug frequently
aggravates existing mental illness, adversely affects motor
performance, and slows the learning process in children. Studies
of long-term effects have conclusively demonstrated abnormalities
in the lungs, laryngitis, rhinitis, and chronic obstructive
pulmonary disease. Chronic usage has resulted in depression of
plasma testosterone levels and reduced sperm counts. Abnormal
menstruation and failure to ovulate have occurred in some female
users. Sudden withdrawal produces insomnia, nausea, muscle pain
(myalgia), and irritability. In general, marijuana is a potent
psychoactive drug acting on the central nervous system and
producing both acute and chronic neurophysiological effects.
The most important neuroactive chemical ingredients in
marijuana are the lipophilic cannabinoids, especially delta-9-
tetrahydrocannabinol. Cannabinoids are believed to act at several
specific cannabinoid receptors in the brain. When a human inhales
or ingests marijuana, the liver transforms it into a number of
metabolites, the most important of which is 11-hydroxy-delta-9-
tetrahydrocannabinol, which has effects identical to those of the
parent compound. 11-hydroxy-delta-9-THC is in turn converted to
more polar and inactive metabolites which are excreted in urine.
Since certain cannabinoids are already present in the
nervous system without input of any drug, cannabinoids need to be
categorized as "exogenous" (from outside) versus "endogenous"
(from inside).
In this context, the term "G-proteins" refers to a family of
signal-coupling proteins that act as intermediaries between
activated cell receptors and effectors, for example, the
transduction of hormonal signals from the cell surface to the
cell interior. The G-protein is apparently embedded in the cell
membrane with parts exposed on the outside surface and inside
surface. The outside moiety is activated by the "first messenger"
(e.g., a hormone), and the inside moiety activates a "second
messenger", the G-protein thus acting as a trans-membrane signal
transducer.
"Neurotransmitters" are chemical substances released at the
terminals of nerve axons in response to the propagation of an
impulse to the end of that axon. The neurotransmitter substance
diffuses into the synapse, the junction between the presynaptic
nerve ending and the postsynaptic neuron, and at the membrane of
the postsynaptic neuron the transmitter substance interacts with
a receptor. Depending on the type of receptor, the result may be
an excitatory or an inhibitory effect on the postsynaptic nerve
cell.
"GABA" is gamma-amino butyric acid, a neurotransmitter
substance. The term "GABA receptor" refers to any of several
membrane proteins that bind GABA and mediate its effects as an
inhibitory neurotransmitter.
In this context, the term "depolarization" refers to a
reduction in the potential difference across the cell membrane.
The neuron action potential involves not only a transient
depolarization of the membrane but also a transient reversal of
polarity of the potential difference, the potential difference
across the neuron membrane during an action potential changing
from approximately -60 millivolts (inside negative) to
approximately +40 millivolts.
The "hippocampus" is a brain cortex structure in the medial
part of the temporal lobe. In humans, among other functions, the
hippocampus is apparently involved in short-term memory. Analysis
of the neurological correlates of learning behavior in the rat
indicates that the hippocampus is also involved in memory in that
species. Nerve cells in rat brain slices remain active in vitro
in appropriate solutions for up to 24 hours, and such slices are
convenient tissues for experiments. "Hippocampal pyramidal
neurons" are a specific type of nerve cell in the hippocampus.
The term "retrograde signaling" refers to neural information
transmission in a direction opposite to the primary signal
direction. In this context, the term refers to signaling from
postsynaptic neuron to presynaptic neuron. In general, retrograde
signaling in neural systems is usually part of a negative
feedback process.
In general, an "interneuron" is any neuron that branches
locally to innervate other neurons.
In general, in this context, an "agonist" is any substance
that binds to and activates a receptor.
... ... R.I. Wilson and R.A. Nicoll (University of California San
Francisco, US) report a study of the action of endogenous
cannabinoids, the authors making the following points:
1) The authors point out that marijuana affects brain
function primarily by activating the G-protein-coupled
cannabinoid receptor-1 (CB1), which is genetically expressed
throughout the brain at high levels. Two endogenous lipids,
anandamide and 2-arachidonylglycerol (2-AG), have been identified
as cannabinoid receptor-1 ligands, and depolarized hippocampal
neurons have been shown to rapidly release both anandamide and 2-
AG in a calcium-dependent manner. In the hippocampus, cannabinoid
receptor-1 is expressed mainly by GABA-mediated inhibitory
interneurons, where cannabinoid receptor-1 apparently clusters on
axon terminals of such interneurons. A synthetic cannabinoid
receptor-1 agonist has been demonstrated to depress GABA release
from hippocampal slices, which suggests that the function of
endogenous cannabinoids released by depolarized hippocampal
neurons might be to reduce GABA release (down-regulate GABA
release).
2) The authors report that their experiments indicate that
the transient suppression of GABA-mediated transmission that
follows depolarization of hippocampal pyramidal neurons is
mediated by retrograde signaling through release of endogenous
cannabinoids. Signaling by the endocannabinoid system thus
represents a mechanism by which neurons can communicate backwards
across synapses to modulate their inputs. The authors suggest
this study represents the first identification of a physiological
process mediated by endogenous brain cannabinoids. Exogenous
cannabinoids such as marijuana may destroy the information
contained in endogenous cannabinoid feedback loops and thus
promote a more random pattern of synaptic modification.
-----------
R.I. Wilson and R.A. Nicoll: Endogenous cannabinoids mediate
retrograde signalling at hippocampal synapses.
(Nature 29 Mar 01 410:588)
QY: Roger A. Nicoll: [email protected]
-------------------
Summary by SCIENCE-WEEK http://scienceweek.com 20Jul01
For more information: http://scienceweek.com/swfr.htm
-------------------
Related Background:
ON THE MECHANISM OF PAIN MODULATION BY CANNABINOIDS
In general, the clinical entity "hyperalgesia" (sometimes known
as "hyperalgia") is a heightened sensitivity to painful stimuli.
Cannabinoids are derivatives or preparations from the plant
Cannabis sativa (the marijuana plant), a group of a dozen
compounds chemically related to cannabinol, including delta-9-
tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), and the cannabinoid receptor is the
binding site for the psychoactive component of marijuana, as well
as for anandamide, the endogenous physiological ligand. Anand-
amide is known to modulate the pain pathway, but the mechanisms
are not clear. ... ... Richardson et al (3 authors at Univ. of
Minnesota Minneapolis, US) now report studies in animal models
that indicate that hyperalgesia may be linked to a faulty
cannabinoid system in the spinal cord. The authors suggest that
endogenous cannabinoids attenuate pain by preventing the release
of glutamate from presynaptic terminals of neurons that transmit
pain messages to the spinal cord.
-----------
QY: Jenelle D. Richardson, Harvard Univ. Medical School, Dept.
Neurobiology 617-432-1550.
(Chem. & Eng. News 19 Jan 98) (Science-Week 30 Jan 98)
For more information: http://scienceweek.com/swfr.htm

beachguy in thongs
12-16-2005, 06:13 AM
At the beginning of that, I thought some of those were disproven. Like the low-sperm count, maybe? Like I'm not sure about the ovulation, but I'd thought, well, here...

Studies
of long-term effects have conclusively demonstrated abnormalities
in the lungs, laryngitis, rhinitis, and chronic obstructive
pulmonary disease. Chronic usage has resulted in depression of
plasma testosterone levels and reduced sperm counts. Abnormal
menstruation and failure to ovulate have occurred in some female
users

That's the part. Again. This story was done 2001, 1998.

tylerkane
12-16-2005, 06:38 AM
you been smokin that hippy lettuce again, boy?

beachguy in thongs
12-16-2005, 06:41 AM
I ain't your boy, child. Well, if you'd like.

420kidder
12-16-2005, 06:43 AM
Holy crap I always felt more intelligent when I was high. Not only that but I felt more creative and felt like my neurons were moving at light speed.

beachguy in thongs
12-16-2005, 06:45 AM
Yeah, those neurons, they'll get you working.

tylerkane
12-16-2005, 06:50 AM
i smell it on you, i smell the evil green demon on your sweatshirt. why must you break your mother's and my heart...

beachguy in thongs
12-16-2005, 06:55 AM
No, I'm not wearing a sweatshirt. My mom would be proud, but I always thought I was the apple of your eye, guess I'm just breaking your heart. :stoned:

ADaisyChain
12-16-2005, 06:57 AM
Beachguy, you broke me heart in the atheism thread. You're breaking everyone's heart today it seems.

beachguy in thongs
12-16-2005, 07:03 AM
LOL. Sorry. I grew up on Science Fiction and when Tom Sawyer by Rush brought back a lot of memories, fifteen years ago, I knew I was destined for something...

tylerkane
12-16-2005, 07:07 AM
beachguy...
i love you

ADaisyChain
12-16-2005, 07:16 AM
beachguy sux

booooooooooooo

ADaisyChain
12-16-2005, 07:26 AM
down with beachguy

beachguy in thongs
12-16-2005, 07:31 AM
A song comes to mind...

"You're not the only one... ( c - g - d - c )...with mixed emotions."

beachguy in thongs
12-16-2005, 07:34 AM
By the way, thanks, tylerkane... Now another song comes to mind... a combination of peace frog and blue sunday.