Suicide: The Facts

[RastaKaze]

Just thought I'd make a little reference thread for anyone feeling suicidal... There seems to be a ALOT of these threads lately, and to me at least, it's getting old. So here's something for all you people with 'such horrible' lives to think about.

Suicide: The Facts

1 . It's selfish. You lie dead, while you're family is left with the grief of you're death. Not to mention the expenses :)

2 . It's pussyfied. BUCK UP! There are millions of people in third world countries that have it WAY worse then you ever will.

3 . It's stupid. Life is an amazing thing, and yours could be turned around in a second... Just hang in there.

4 . It's pointless. Do you actually think your going to experience any relief of your grievances by DIEING? Nope, you're just DEAD. And that's it. So make the best of what you have now; LIFE!

Hope this helps some lost soul...

Peace :rasta:
Rasta

[flamingskullballs]

unless your a fat american...then you should just die...

[WeBB15]

Yes you think like me...

but guess what, I was related to someone who was beaten and molested horribly as a child(my parents adopted him when he was 15)

he told me stories you guys never believe a human could do, and telling him to buck up? now that would just be wrong and ridiculous.

Some people have an entire background or lifestyle that youve never seen or experienced, so its hard to judge whats good for them and not. The way he told his lifestyle was when he was a child, I couldnt imagine... seriously like it was that bad.

Depression and guilt playing a role in your life since birth is something not a lot of people can acknowledge.

[flamingskullballs]

i was molested by my sister

[RastaKaze]

My little cousin is 11 years old. He got raped by his birth dad numerous times when he was just 6 or 7. His dad is a creak-head and his mother is a meth user. They're dead broke and living in New Orleans, on top of it all. And yet every day when I call him he tells me stories of how he's going to become a famous actor and make tons of money to take his family out of the ghetto... now that is something to respet... I mean to me anyway. I mean here's this kid who's had NOTHING but pain his entire life and STILL has amition to change it. There is no excuse for suicide. You can change, as can life. To give it up, is just a shame.

[flamingskullballs]

life is a gift...i would rather feel sorrow then nothing at all...

this is my favourite part

[RastaKaze]

life is a gift...i would rather feel sorrow then nothing at all...

this is my favourite part

Yes, very good point...

[WeBB15]

raped? thats one of few of hideous things my stepbro's dad and "his friends" done to him.

Im talking tortured, forced to do drugs, and LOTS more Id rather not get into. His dad never let him sleep inside the house, regardless of conditions.

And you gotta realize everybody's different, nobody has the same emotion tolerance or whatever you call it. Who the fuck cares if one 11 yr old can take being isolated and depressed, etc., that doesnt make it right to think everybody else can do it also.

Emotion is a thing that differs in EVERYBODY regardless of age.

[WeBB15]

I do know what you mean though, nothing is an excuse for suicide, I agree wholeheartedly... but to tell someone to buck up, is somethign I would never agree with.

[Little Miss Blinky]

I was abused for 4 years
you never get over it .Just learn to deal with it day by day

MissBlinky :o

[UnViaje]

lmao, buck up. this dude i barely knew jumped off a water tower cuz his girl broke up with him. he didn't succeed, he's just a lil slow now & still healing from broken bones. now that dumbass needed to buck up.

[zomby]

Telling depressed people to buck up is the worst thing you can tell them, according to mental health experts. It doesn't help at all and makes em feel more morthless and guilty for not being able to buck up.

Depression is a physical ailment that takes time to subside or can be helped by prescription meds.

[motahead]

Just thought I'd make a little reference thread for anyone feeling suicidal... There seems to be a ALOT of these threads lately, and to me at least, it's getting old. So here's something for all you people with 'such horrible' lives to think about.

Suicide: The Facts

1 . It's selfish. You lie dead, while you're family is left with the grief of you're death. Not to mention the expenses :)

2 . It's pussyfied. BUCK UP! There are millions of people in third world countries that have it WAY worse then you ever will.

3 . It's stupid. Life is an amazing thing, and yours could be turned around in a second... Just hang in there.

4 . It's pointless. Do you actually think your going to experience any relief of your grievances by DIEING? Nope, you're just DEAD. And that's it. So make the best of what you have now; LIFE!

Hope this helps some lost soul...

Peace :rasta:
Rasta

No offense. But this is the most ignorant asinine post I have ever seen.

Do some reading about this subject before you go spouting off about something as serious as this.

While what you say can be true, suicide, while tragic and seemingly pointless is the sign of a mental illness. People who attempt and/or commit suicide are not rational and cannot be judged as such.

[Roadking]

I wonder how many types of suicide there are. There's the kind where someone tries for attention...and accidently follows through. Then there's the person who under the influence of a drug or alcohol ( a legal drug) takes their own life in a wrong state of mind...not what they would normally do.
That's only two scenarios. The first could be considered selfish...but it's still being done in the wrong state of mind.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

"mental illness"? mental illness??!?

mental is incapable of becoming ill, the way a person thinks and feels cannot be chalked up to ILLNESS. illness affects the brain, it affects the body, IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE MIND! perhaps it secondhandedly affects the mind, for example, misery. the misery you might feel in learning you will never again be able to communicate properly, because you're missing a huge portion of brain matter.

[kuulbns]

There are also those that feel so lost and hopeless they cannot bear to go on. Depression is biological disorder that can cause one to lose hope. At the time I was Diagnosed with MS, I was hospitilized for depression. Depression is a sympton of MS. As I had been undiagnosed and untreated (misdiagnosed actually) I was seriously thinking of it. I just was so tired of being tired and ill with no answers. I was unable to work, uninsured and had very little income. I can understand how someone gets there.
With that said, and while I sympathize, I am not a proffesional and this is not a mental health site. Those that find themselves in serious trouble should call 911 or go to their local emergency room. There is help and things can improve. This is not something to play around with.

[zomby]

No offense. But this is the most ignorant asinine post I have ever seen.



Ha! There must be a more diplomatic way of saying it!

:)

[ADaisyChain]

I do know what you mean though, nothing is an excuse for suicide, I agree wholeheartedly... but to tell someone to buck up, is somethign I would never agree with.

Exchange the words "buck up" for "move on" or "live in the moment". I understand that some tragedy is worse then others, but there is nothing to be gained from reliving abuse in your head over and over.

Lots of people have been molested/beaten/raped. Most people simply don't make themselves relive it so as to "buck up" or "move on" or "live in the moment" because as long as they aren't being molested/beaten/raped right now then theres no reason to act like it.

[motahead]

"mental illness"? mental illness??!?

mental is incapable of becoming ill, the way a person thinks and feels cannot be chalked up to ILLNESS. illness affects the brain, it affects the body, IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE MIND! perhaps it secondhandedly affects the mind, for example, misery. the misery you might feel in learning you will never again be able to communicate properly, because you're missing a huge portion of brain matter.

Dude what planet do you live on? Do you hang out with Tom Cruise?

[motahead]

I wonder how many types of suicide there are. There's the kind where someone tries for attention...and accidently follows through. Then there's the person who under the influence of a drug or alcohol ( a legal drug) takes their own life in a wrong state of mind...not what they would normally do.
That's only two scenarios. The first could be considered selfish...but it's still being done in the wrong state of mind.

Check it out.

http://www.relst.uiuc.edu/durkheim/Summaries/suicide.html

Educate yourselves.

[UnViaje]

its all about mentality to me, i'm not one who believes in that chemical/physical ailment bs. i see it as a choice. i was depressed for a long time, but later realized it was stupid n a waste of valuable time. a valuable paradigm nonetheless.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Dude what planet do you live on? Do you hang out with Tom Cruise?earth, no, never met him.

[kuulbns]

[QUOTE=Stoner Shadow Wolf]"mental illness"? mental illness??!?

mental is incapable of becoming ill, the way a person thinks and feels cannot be chalked up to ILLNESS. illness affects the brain, it affects the body, IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE MIND! perhaps it secondhandedly affects the mind, for example, misery. the misery you might feel in learning you will never again be able to communicate properly, because you're missing a huge portion of brain matter.[/QUO



What are you on about? Of course there is Mental illness. Look at my Ct scan or my MRI. In my case there are actual lesions on my brain. MS caused this. (Same thing Richard Pryor had and he was a crazy mofo,.. lol)

[zomby]

"mental illness"? mental illness??!?

mental is incapable of becoming ill, the way a person thinks and feels cannot be chalked up to ILLNESS. illness affects the brain, it affects the body, IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE MIND! perhaps it secondhandedly affects the mind, for example, misery. the misery you might feel in learning you will never again be able to communicate properly, because you're missing a huge portion of brain matter.

This is so wrong on so many levels. Lots of illnesses affect the way people think. If you're dying of pneumonia you're not going to score as high on an IQ test as you would if perfectly healthy.

How you feel cannot be chalked up to illness??? If you're sick you "feel bad"!

Mental processes are electrical in nature. The thoughts themselves are nonphysical of course but the process of thinking has to do with neurons and synapses firing which have to do with weak electric charges. It is virtually impossible to distinguish mental from physical and we don't really need to do so.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

[QUOTE=Stoner Shadow Wolf]"mental illness"? mental illness??!?

mental is incapable of becoming ill, the way a person thinks and feels cannot be chalked up to ILLNESS. illness affects the brain, it affects the body, IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE MIND! perhaps it secondhandedly affects the mind, for example, misery. the misery you might feel in learning you will never again be able to communicate properly, because you're missing a huge portion of brain matter.[/QUO



What are you on about? Of course there is Mental illness. Look at my Ct scan or my MRI. In my case there are actual lesions on my brain. MS caused this. (Same thing Richard Pryor had and he was a crazy mofo,.. lol)
the mind and brain are seperate, the mind is a remote controll device that operates a brain.


so OF COURSE a defective brain is going to show signs of illness, but it is not caused on a mental level, nor can it be adequately percieved by the mind which uses the defective brain.

if the reciever in your RC goes bad, it's not the electrical airwaves that are at fault.

[kuulbns]

Remote Control eh? How do you measure/weigh that? What organ is the "Remote Control",.. unless of course you're speaking of the soul?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

my 5 minutes are up:



This is so wrong on so many levels. Lots of illnesses affect the way people think. If you're dying of pneumonia you're not going to score as high on an IQ test as you would if perfectly healthy.

How you feel cannot be chalked up to illness??? If you're sick you "feel bad"!

Mental processes are electrical in nature. The thoughts themselves are nonphysical of course but the process of thinking has to do with neurons and synapses firing which have to do with weak electric charges. It is virtually impossible to distinguish mental from physical and we don't really need to do so.
think of the brain as an RC human.
think of your mind as the remote controll.

if the reciever in the RC car, the brain in the body, gets broken, why is it the controller's, the mind's, fault?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Remote Control eh? How do you measure/weigh that? What organ is the "Remote Control",.. unless of course you're speaking of the soul?yeah, spirit, soul, mind, ego, they're all kind of mixed and jumbled...


the mind is a house of nothing where thoughts exist and reside, unconscious nothings.

the ego is an individual mind which houses no thoughts, but can observe thoughts, and give to them reality uponm doing so.

the soul is the essence of the ego's self, the residual self image, a mental projection of the ego.

the spirit is much like the soul, but retains little to no consciousness, you must work to reacquire your spirit, it is the most pure and divine part of your self and ego.


none of which are physical in the least bit, all of which play roles in creating the physical reality we exist in.

[kuulbns]

Where the fekk is this "remote control", ya mean Big Brother has a chip in ya making you perform to specs? Your "mind" is a collection of thoughts, experiences and sensations stored in the Brain. Your brain is the computer.

[UnViaje]

i think i see where ssw is coming from. but to me, i see the brain as a transceiver, accepting and sending out intangible info, brain rain. also saw that somewhere talking about spirituality.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i think i see where ssw is coming from. but to me, i see the brain as a transceiver, accepting and sending out intangible info, brain rain. also saw that somewhere talking about spirituality.me again. :D


yes, the brain recieves input from the mind, things like speach, and blinking, heart beat, and balance. that is mind - to - brain.

brain - to - mind would be sights, smells, sounds, tastes, and feelings.

the mind and brain must work simultaniousely in order to perform magic.

this includes pyrokenisis, telekenisis, telepathy, clairvoyance, and empathy.

people who lose one sense are granted a gift.

they are given an oprutunity to realize their other potential senses, someone who loses their eyesight might be able to see into the future. the loss of the sense of touch is replaced with a heightened understanding of sounds and light, so as to SEE and HEAR what you would normally FEEL. this cannot be explained, only experianced.


and about the numb thing, i dont actually know that, they could be given pyrokenisis for all i know :D lol


i lost most of my hearing, and i have poor eyesight. in turn, i have been able to filter thought bullshit very well, i cannot hear all the lies, but the truth is always glaring. if it is not spoken, it has been seen, and eventually confirmed in speach... sometimes research :P


god, shut me up!



Where the fekk is this "remote control", ya mean Big Brother has a chip in ya making you perform to specs? Your "mind" is a collection of thoughts, experiences and sensations stored in the Brain. Your brain is the computer.you ARE the remote controll. YOU as in your spirit, soul, mind, and ego. the completely nonexistant YOU.

that is the remote.

your mind is the remote to your brain which is the remote to your body.

[UnViaje]

you forgot apathy

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

apathy would be learned, it is an additive, negative thoughts and feelings are not immediately natural in a virgin ego, untouched by the thoughts of the omniverse, the mind.

and in such primitive circumstances as lacking physical substance, one would treat negative thoughts like sin, it would be the equivelant of a physical death to observe the thought of hatred.

[420kidder]

Yeah just about everyone gets depressed at some point in their life, some people attempt suicide, it's just one of life's things. I went through this cycle, and I may be back there again. It may be considered selfish, etc. but the fact remains that people usually do it because they feel there will be less pain after the fact. I don't think suicide is a good answer, but I feel like people that have taken this particular fork in the road in the past have probably had some sort of mental illness, so therefore I don't consider them stupid or pussies.

One thing that always made me think twice was my little sister who is 13 years younger than I am. She's 12 right now and since she's been able to talk she's been bragging about her big brother. I could never ruin her life by taking mine. Not everyone is like me however, and if you're reading this and are thinking about killing yourself, you shouldn't.

[RastaKaze]

I agree, perhaps buck up isn't quite as 'nice sounding' as some of the other things you guys said... but all in all I meant the same. As the one who claims my post is the most ignorant he's ever seen... well, I'm don't quite feel like stooping to your level, so... I'll let have fun with that one :) ... Perhaps my negative offset for this thread was influenced by the famous "truestoner" who snowballed a wopping 18 pages yesterday on what was nothing more then a cry for help, and for that, I apologize. But by no means am I, as you said, "ignorant." I just want there to be less pain in the world. It tends to eat at you when you've witnissed as many suicides as I have... Just please, please do NOT call me ignorant.

[UnViaje]

apathy would be learned, it is an additive, negative thoughts and feelings are not immediately natural in a virgin ego, untouched by the thoughts of the omniverse, the mind.

and in such primitive circumstances as lacking physical substance, one would treat negative thoughts like sin, it would be the equivelant of a physical death to observe the thought of hatred.
all that for apathy? lmao. its just the opposite of empathy dude simple n plain.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

yes, i know, but apathy is most often used negatively. unto itself, apathy is neither positive nor negative, it's in the grey area, it can be used to protect yourself from the emotions of others, that could be positive, but doing such detatches yourself from that person, which can be negative.

lol sorry for the extensive reply :D

[UnViaje]

cool with me man, ur just using ur head

[Roadking]

"Art (http://www.museumofbadart.org/collection/unseen-1.html) hallucinates the ego."

- Sigmund Freud

[zomby]

think of the brain as an RC human.
think of your mind as the remote controll.

if the reciever in the RC car, the brain in the body, gets broken, why is it the controller's, the mind's, fault?

Humans are not remote controlled toys. Your analogy is weak dude. Humans are completely self-contained.

[GanjaASD847]

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[zomby]

the mind and brain must work simultaniousely in order to perform magic.

this includes pyrokenisis, telekenisis, telepathy, clairvoyance, and empathy.


you ARE the remote controll. YOU as in your spirit, soul, mind, and ego. the completely nonexistant YOU.

that is the remote.

your mind is the remote to your brain which is the remote to your body.

Aaaaaaaaaah. Now we have "magic" and 2 remote controls!

I hate to tell you this buddy but the brain is part of the body! There is nothing remote about it. It's located inside the head which is a body part. Imagine that.

:p

Einstein said that there's no evidence at all for human souls or human spirits.

There is no more way to show that there is a human spirit than there is to show that there are ghosts, goblins, demons, fairies, leprechauns, etc.

[motahead]

But by no means am I, as you said, "ignorant." I just want there to be less pain in the world. It tends to eat at you when you've witnissed as many suicides as I have... Just please, please do NOT call me ignorant.

I apologize for calling you ignorant. I was merely reacting to your post as you were reacting to another post.

Suicide is a complex problem that affects individuals, their family and friends and society around them.

The tragedy of suicide cannot be simply summed up as being one thing or another. To overly simplify the problem only adds to the misunderstanding of why it happens and adds to the pain.

People must remember that in their reactions to suicide that the people who kill themselves are in PAIN and cannot see another way out. It is not a rational act in most cases.

Yes, it can be seen as "selfish" by the people around to pick up the pieces but think about that for a moment. A selfish act is really something that someone does in order to benefit themselves without thinking of others, but in the end, NO one benefits and therefore it cannot be categorized as "selfish" eventhough it causes so much pain.