the constant battle between light and dark

[Ganj]

you see it all around you. wherever there is light, there is dark.

a man who appears to be illuminating, only reveals that there is an equal darkness behind him.

[Polymirize]

constant battle?

What do you think they're fighting over?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

light Vs. dark is a battle of popularity.

they both want to be the one to illuminate the universe, by casting out the other.

[MudFu]

Its a pointless battle. Light give dark and without dark light would be unexisiting. Its the ying and the yang.

[Ganj]

light Vs. dark is a battle of popularity.

they both want to be the one to illuminate the universe, by casting out the other.
exactly. instead of worrying about who to associate these combatants with, the real answer is this. and by "this" i mean what stoner wolf said.

[Polymirize]

you think so?

I always enjoyed choosing to see it as: the darkness and the light cooperate (combine, not combat) to create all things. Destruction being just another form of creation afterall.

of course, when you realise that there's no value to be had at one end of a polarity (spectrum) over the other, then it appears that what is truly most important is not the extreme ends, but rather the relationship between them.

[Ganj]

you think so?

I always enjoyed choosing to see it as: the darkness and the light cooperate (combine, not combat) to create all things. Destruction being just another form of creation afterall.

of course, when you realise that there's no value to be had at one end of a polarity (spectrum) over the other, then it appears that what is truly most important is not the extreme ends, but rather the relationship between them.
the mexican people? i don't know, i like to think that we're so blinded to what is important that the answer would right in front of us. something we see everyday.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

huh wha? mexican people? what? lol where did that come from???

[Polymirize]

What, did Ganj and I lose you SSW? What's not to follow about this conversation?

It's cool, I think I just lost him earlier. Or at the least, he completely lost me with that last post.

[Ganj]

What, did Ganj and I lose you SSW? What's not to follow about this conversation?

It's cool, I think I just lost him earlier. Or at the least, he completely lost me with that last post.
lol, nah it was just a remark to what you had said earlier, about the importance being the relationship between white and black. i felt mexican would be appropriate. i'm not lost. lol

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

lol, nah it was just a remark to what you had said earlier, about the importance being the relationship between white and black. i felt mexican would be appropriate. i'm not lost. loli am, i dont remember any human races being inserted into the conversation, and then you asked about mexicans, and i saw no reference to race in the previous post... confused, asked, answered. :P

[Stedric]

I don't believe in an absolute good and an absolute evil. Too simplistic.

Evil is a boring, everyday thing.

[Polymirize]

...what you had said earlier, about the importance being the relationship between white and black. i felt mexican would be appropriate. i'm not lost. lol

Actually then, I don't understand how SSW let you get away with that answer. We were talking about darkness and light, and you jumped to making race a polarity between black and white, and all other ethnic groups are just lumped in between?
I hope you're not the sort to lay a polarity of good/evil, or better/worse over that polarity of race...

But of course, again, the most important thing would just be to realise what we all have in common, rather than focus on the poles...

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

hahahahaha he didnt do bad really, white... black... tan in the middle, mexicans are pretty tan... lol im thinking it was intende dtobe a joke...


lame but still a joke lol

[Polymirize]

I fail to see anything funny about racism... ... ...

:mad: :( :mad:

(you may think I'm being sarcastic after the long dramatic pause. I assure you I am not. Which is why I've confirmed my moral outrage by attaching the appropriate smilies. That's right...)

[beachguy in thongs]

You can create an interesting blend of lights and darks to create shadows and bring out your painting. :stoned:

[Torog]

You can create an interesting blend of lights and darks to create shadows and bring out your painting. :stoned:
Howdy beachguy,

If one lives in a world comprised of infinite shades of gray-the white and black..become shocking elements.. and disrupt the muted reality of the infinite shades of gray. Stark reality ..or muted reality..it's yer choice;)

Have a good one ...

[beachguy in thongs]

Howdy beachguy,

If one lives in a world comprised of infinite shades of gray-the white and black..become shocking elements.. and disrupt the muted reality of the infinite shades of gray. Stark reality ..or muted reality..it's yer choice;)

Have a good one ...

Wait a second, you're an artist, Torog? I never would've guessed. The white and black, aw, who am I kidding, I'm no painter. Living in a world where white and black are shocking is very narrow minded. That reminds me of the old white lady who answered the door for the black Interior Decorator. :stoned:

[F L E S H]

Howdy beachguy,

If one lives in a world comprised of infinite shades of gray-the white and black..become shocking elements.. and disrupt the muted reality of the infinite shades of gray. Stark reality ..or muted reality..it's yer choice;)

Have a good one ...
Uhhh, no.

Shades of grey is NOT muted reality, it is reality, because NOTHING is absolute. What you want is for everyone to believe the same thing you do, because you're afraid of change, you're afraid of The Other, you're just simply afraid of Truth and Reality.

[Polymirize]

If one lives in a world comprised of infinite shades of gray-the white and black..become shocking elements.. and disrupt the muted reality of the infinite shades of gray. Stark reality ..or muted reality..it's yer choice;)


Or I can choose to just live in a world of color...

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

wow hold up, this was never about racism! let's get off the race topic is poly is offended!

[beachguy in thongs]

I like the Black & White scenes better in "Field of Dreams".

[Ganj]

Actually then, I don't understand how SSW let you get away with that answer. We were talking about darkness and light, and you jumped to making race a polarity between black and white, and all other ethnic groups are just lumped in between?
I hope you're not the sort to lay a polarity of good/evil, or better/worse over that polarity of race...

But of course, again, the most important thing would just be to realise what we all have in common, rather than focus on the poles...
nothing like that and, i apologize if i've offended you in anyway. it was a lame joke...i specialize in those.

[Ganj]

Wait a second, you're an artist, Torog? I never would've guessed. The white and black, aw, who am I kidding, I'm no painter. Living in a world where white and black are shocking is very narrow minded. That reminds me of the old white lady who answered the door for the black Interior Decorator. :stoned:
to kill a mockingbird?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

nothing like that and, i apologize if i've offended you in anyway. it was a lame joke...i specialize in those.
what did i say? hmm? what did i say? :D

[Ganj]

what did i say? hmm? what did i say? :D
i know..i know.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

yes you do, but i wasnt talkin' to you :D

[beachguy in thongs]

to kill a mockingbird?
LOL, never saw it, read it, or heard about. Did you? I don't know why I have all these things in my head, I think it's because my ex watches that Home Show on ABC on Sunday Nights, then Grey's anatomy.

[Torog]

Or I can choose to just live in a world of color...
Howdy Polymirize,

Now yer talkin ! When I toke marijuana,a 'world of color',emerges..and I no longer desire the black and the white,nor the gray..that which was bound by the black,white and gray..is unbound..and soars with joy ! I am freed ! :D

Have a good one !

[Torog]

Uhhh, no.

Shades of grey is NOT muted reality, it is reality, because NOTHING is absolute. What you want is for everyone to believe the same thing you do, because you're afraid of change, you're afraid of The Other, you're just simply afraid of Truth and Reality.
Howdy FLESH,

If you are accusing me of being a moral absolutist,then I accept that title with honor..to me,folks that insist that nothing is absolute,are really just establishing an excuse for their behaviour and no accountability for such.

Who or what-is the Other ?

Sometimes..it's good to fear the Truth and Reality..especially if that 'Truth and Reality',is formulated by us imperfect humans..who only have 5 senses to percieve Reality..it's been said "the Truth shall set you free"..as for Reality..it's created anew,with each and every moment.

By all means,FLESH,please inform me of what you percieve to be the Truth..and the Reality that you speak of..help me to see the world through yer eyes..make me a believer of this Truth and Reality,that you speak of.

Have a good one ....

[F L E S H]

Howdy FLESH,

If you are accusing me of being a moral absolutist,then I accept that title with honor..to me,folks that insist that nothing is absolute,are really just establishing an excuse for their behaviour and no accountability for such.

Who or what-is the Other ?

Sometimes..it's good to fear the Truth and Reality..especially if that 'Truth and Reality',is formulated by us imperfect humans..who only have 5 senses to percieve Reality..it's been said "the Truth shall set you free"..as for Reality..it's created anew,with each and every moment.

By all means,FLESH,please inform me of what you percieve to be the Truth..and the Reality that you speak of..help me to see the world through yer eyes..make me a believer of this Truth and Reality,that you speak of.

Have a good one ....
Torog, I'm just happy to see that some people here know how to debate without resorting to personal attacks... :thumbsup:

BTW, when I say The Other, I mean the other person, the person you don't know, in this case people of other religions.

I think the core of the problem lies in the fact that you view humans as imperfect, and that we're sinners from the start. Why does that have to be? Why have I done personally that makes me forever a sinner, imperfect? To an extent, yes, Truth and Reality are based on our 5 senses, because in the end that's all we have to interact with our Universe.

As far as what Truth and Reality really are, well, philosophers have been trying to figure this one for almost 3,000 years, and I don't feel qualified to answer that for you :) But what I can say is that to me, believing in any sort of religion that has a deity, rules that go against human nature, and creeds that say that humans are automatically sinners and naturally imperfect, is not only wrong, it's detrimental to world-wide society.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i know what truth and reality is, and the two cannot be proven, as they are not physical entities within themselves.