This has been baffling me for days: "ACID"

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

Right now, in the world, where is acid being made, who is making it?
I've read the process of making LSD-25 and it's very tricky to do (it seems), so I'm wondering who right now is making it, what type of people they are (scientists, clever regular guys, etc.) and where they're making it (country and the location, like a kitchen or laboratory).

Anyone know where the LSD of today is coming from?

[Aristotle]

I was wondering this as well for the past week.

[Ganj]

crackheads. crackheads are distributing all LSD that comes your way and mine. you can thank the drug, crack for giving them such motivation to learn methods of extraction from everyday household material.

i know texas has some acid going around, now.

[chakruh]

from what I've gathered from a new documentary is that there is one Labratory in the world that is allowed to legally make LSD, i guess they are starting to look into the benefits of LSD on skitsophrenix and other mental disorders... that labratory is somewhere In California and they are conducting experiments on patients around California.

[Joy.Discovery]

the russian mafia?

[jermany]

Two Bay Area men have been arrested for allegedly running a massive LSD laboratory hidden inside a decommissioned nuclear missile silo in Kansas.

U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agents said their investigation showed that the lab, deep inside an old Atlas missile silo in rural Kansas, produced tens of millions of doses of LSD each month.

"They are predicting that this laboratory could have been supplying a third of the LSD in the United States and maybe the world," Shirley Armstead, a spokeswoman for the DEA office in St. Louis, told reporters after the arrests. "This particular laboratory is one of the biggest labs that has been seized in this country."

William Leonard Pickard, 55, of San Francisco, allegedly a longtime underground drug chemist, and Clyde Apperson, 45, of Mountain View, his alleged assistant, were each indicted on Nov. 9 by a federal grand jury in Kansas City, Kan., on one count of conspiracy to make and distribute LSD.

Pickard is in federal custody and Apperson was released on a $200,000 bond. They are scheduled for a Dec. 20 hearing on pretrial motions in U.S. District Court in Topeka, Kan. Their lawyers could not be reached for comment yesterday.

Reached at his home, Apperson declined to comment.

The purported conspiracy sounds like a take-off on Peter Seller's Cold War movie "Dr. Strangelove."

Atlas missiles were introduced in 1959, the nation's first intercontinental ballistic missile. Aimed at the Soviet Union, they carried powerful nuclear warheads and were stored horizontally on railways in underground concrete silos whose retractable roofs dotted the Midwest countryside.

The missiles were decommissioned in the mid-1960s, just as the hippie scene,

the peace movement and psychedelic drugs like LSD became popular with American youth. LSD trips were touted as a chemical path to cosmic enlightenment and "inner space."

According to a DEA agent's affidavit, Pickard and Apperson converted the former nuclear silos to underground acid laboratories and each month made about a kilogram of LSD, enough for 10 million doses.

The LSD factory was discovered when a third person involved in the ring became an informant and told DEA agents about it, according to the affidavit, which was filed in court as the basis for one of the searches. The third person, who is not named in the affidavit, allegedly helped Pickard and Apperson find places to set up their labs.

The lab had been based in another former missile silo near Salina, Kan. But in July the informant moved it to the Atlas missile silo his family had bought as government surplus in Wamego, Kan., a sparsely populated area about 30 miles northwest of Topeka, the affidavit says.

The informant allowed DEA agents to electronically monitor his phone calls with Pickard, as well as an Oct. 23 meeting about the LSD operation with Pickard at the Four Points Barcelo Sheraton Hotel in San Rafael, it says.

On Oct. 27, the informant took a DEA agent on a tour of the silo, and in November agents videotaped Pickard, Apperson and the informant at the lab. Pickard and Apperson decided to move the operation, the affidavit says.

The defendants were under surveillance and were arrested after they fled from Kansas Highway Patrol officers who pulled them over on Nov. 6 as they allegedly attempted to transport their LSD lab from Kansas to Aspen, Colo., in two rental cars. Apperson was arrested that day, but Pickard evaded arrest until Nov. 7, the DEA said in court records.

DEA agents have searched two San Francisco addresses associated with Pickard, and on Nov. 7 searched Apperson's Mountain View home, where they seized computers and CD-ROMS that they suspect contain evidence of the LSD operation.

Pickard and Apperson are longtime clandestine chemists, according to the affidavit. In 1988, Pickard was arrested by Mountain View police for making LSD, but the charge was dropped because he had been an informant for both the California Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement and the DEA, it says.

Apperson has no criminal history, the affidavit says.

On Nov. 18, the DEA issued a press release warning neighbors that agents in blue full-body protective suits would return to the silo to dismantle the lab, "so they wouldn't be alarmed by the appearance of the guys in the suits."

People who lived near the silo told the Topeka Capital-Journal they had been suspicious of late-night activity at the former military site.

"They were acting strange, but I figured they came from different parts," said Rod Etienne.
Drug law enforcement officials have surmised that LSD chemists and top echelon traffickers form an insider's fraternity of sorts. They successfully have remained at large because there are so few of them. Their exclusivity is not surprising given that LSD synthesis is a difficult process to master. Although cooks need not be formally trained chemists, they must adhere to precise and complex production procedures. In instances where the cook is not a chemist, the production recipe most likely was passed on by personal instruction from a formally trained chemist. Further supporting the premise that most LSD manufacture is the work of a small fraternity of chemists, virtually all the LSD seized during the 1980's was of consistently high purity and sold in relatively uniform dosages of 20 to 80 micrograms.

[Nochowderforyou]

It is a rare thing around here these days, and the stuff that is being produced, is weak.

I did it, probably for the last time, about 1yr ago today. I got it from my regular herb connect, and he said he got it from an older person who lives alone in the NorthWest Territories. He said he is a scientest, who can make really, "bad" acid, as he calls it, "confusion" acid, or he can make really mellow acid that is of low quality (which I got)

So...I don't really know who is making it, but I know finding as good hit that is suppose to do its thing, is non-existent as of now. All of the old-timers are long gone from the 60's and 70's, and after that HUGE acid bust in the States in the 90's, it seems no one really had the interest to pick it up again and keep it going. The people who make it now don't have the science down 100%.

When I did it last year, it took me 3 hits to get a visual. I use to do shit in 92 and 93 where 1 hit would have me seeing things for 16hrs, easily. The people who make it know, do a half-assed job, OR, can't get the proper materials/equipt. to produce it.

Where though? Who knows for sure, but not around here. People don't have the know-how or the patience to make it.

[dopesmoker]

Up here acid is strong as hell. half a hit of acid gets big drug users tripping balls for 12 hours. but i have no clue where, or how its made.

[hihigh]

yeah wow this is interesting it's like a mystery =O

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

Up here acid is strong as hell. half a hit of acid gets big drug users tripping balls for 12 hours. but i have no clue where, or how its made.

Look into it a bit, I'd want to know... or just ship some out to the UK, lol :p

[Nochowderforyou]

Up here acid is strong as hell. half a hit of acid gets big drug users tripping balls for 12 hours. but i have no clue where, or how its made.

You don't have to be a big "drug" user to have a good trip.

I'd like to know where this half hit wonder is too. Seems almost too good to be true. seeing as that the shit I use to get in the 90's came from the Hells Angels and 1, small hit, had you fucked over for a good 14hrs.

[dopesmoker]

You don't have to be a big "drug" user to have a good trip.

I'd like to know where this half hit wonder is too. Seems almost too good to be true. seeing as that the shit I use to get in the 90's came from the Hells Angels and 1, small hit, had you fucked over for a good 14hrs.


Well i'm only a few hours away from Toronto so it could be coming from there, but i've seen acid here that 4 hits doesnt even give a buzz and then the half hit stuff so you really never know if its gonna be any good until you try it.

[chakruh]

my dad told me stories of a LSD chemist he knew in California who had it in powder form (like FaLiLV) and would play pranks on all kinds of people around the city, sprinkling powder on doornobs...

[digweed]

CHEMISTRY STUDENTS.

[Nochowderforyou]

my dad told me stories of a LSD chemist he knew in California who had it in powder form (like FaLiLV) and would play pranks on all kinds of people around the city, sprinkling powder on doornobs...

Ha ha!! That's a good one.

My dad use to tell me stories about huge batches of kool-aid they would mix up in a barrell, put some LSD-25 in there and have mad, crazy parties that would last for days.

He once told me that someone once spiked his morning coffee. All he remebered of the day was saying, "ah...good one guys, you really got me" Funny shit.:p

[hihigh]

little something something i found from wikipedia

Only a small amount of ergotamine tartrate is required to produce LSD in large batches. For example, 25 kilograms of ergotamine tartrate can produce 5 or 6 kilograms of pure LSD crystal that, under ideal circumstances, could be processed into 100 million dosage units (at 50 micrograms per dose), more than enough to meet what is believed to be the entire annual U.S. demand for the drug. LSD manufacturers need only create a small quantity of the substance and, thus, enjoy the advantages of ease of concealment and transport not available to traffickers of other illegal drugs, primarily marijuana and cocaine.

Manufacturing LSD is time consuming and dangerous. Relatively sophisticated and expensive laboratory equipment is required, and it takes from 2 to 3 days to produce 30 to 100 grams of pure compound. Some of the reactions necessary may cause significant explosions if not performed properly by a trained organic chemist. It is believed that LSD usually is not produced in large quantities, but rather in a series of small batches. Production of LSD in small batches also minimizes the loss of precursor chemicals in case a synthetic step doesn't work as expected.

[Harvesthetic]

@ Digweed: or anthropology students :p it's a hassle though

[hihigh]

something else


LSD has been manufactured illegally since the 1960s. A limited number of chemists, probably less than a dozen, are believed to have manufactured nearly all of the illicit LSD available in the United States. The best known of these is undoubtedly Augustus Owsley Stanley III, usually known simply as Owsley. The former chemistry student set up a private LSD lab in the mid-Sixties in San Francisco and supplied the LSD consumed at the famous Acid Test parties held by Ken Kesey and his Merry Pranksters, and other major events such as the Gathering of the Tribes in San Francisco in January 1967. He also had close social connections to leading San Francisco bands the Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane and Big Brother and The Holding Company, regularly supplied them with his LSD and also worked as their live sound engineer and made many tapes of these groups in concert. Owsley's LSD activitiesâ??immortalized by Steely Dan in their song "Kid Charlemagne"â??ended with his arrest at the end of 1967, but some other manufacturers probably operated continuously for 30 years or more.

American LSD usage declined in the 1970s and 1980s â?? this is often attributed to a large anti-drug program targeted at young people in the U.S. LSD then experienced a mild resurgence in popularity in the 1990s. Although there were many distribution channels during this decade, the U.S. DEA identified continued tours by the psychedelic rock band The Grateful Dead and the then-burgeoning rave scene as primary venues for LSD trafficking and consumption. American LSD usage fell sharply circa 2000. The decline is attributed to the arrest of two chemists who, the DEA claims, were manufacturing 95% of the LSD sold in America and much of the European supply. The arrests were a result of the largest LSD manufacturing raid in DEA history.


Pickard and Apperson ran an LSD lab in this former missile silo in Kansas.LSD manufacturers and traffickers can be categorized into two groups: A few Large scale producers and an equally limited number of small, clandestine chemists. Overall, LSD production in the United States is extremely limited, with very few individuals or groups capabable of production. One large scale organization was identified by the DEA as run by chemists (referred to as cooks) William Leonard Pickard, a Harvard-educated organic chemist, and Clyde Apperson. These men worked in close association with organized traffickers. The government claims that these two men were responsible for the vast majority of LSD sold illegally in the United States and a significant amount of the LSD sold in Europe, and that black market LSD availability dropped by 95% after the two were arrested in 2000. [8]

[FactionGroove]

crackheads. crackheads are distributing all LSD that comes your way and mine. you can thank the drug, crack for giving them such motivation to learn methods of extraction from everyday household material.

i know texas has some acid going around, now.


can you contact me? [email protected]

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

I want some acid.

Hihigh, thanks man, that was interesting (as fuck) and you taught me quite a bit about how big the batches are that they make.
Good shit, truely good shit :)

[beachguy in thongs]

Up here acid is strong as hell. half a hit of acid gets big drug users tripping balls for 12 hours. but i have no clue where, or how its made.
Yeah, good acid goes around in upstate New York, too. New England, Ontario, and Quebec must be a good LSD region.

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

Yeah, good acid goes around in upstate New York, too. New England, Ontario, and Quebec must be a good LSD region.

Cool man!

Thanks, everyone's been posting in the suicide thread, I was gettin' bored of it :p

[hihigh]

hmmm good acid in upstate NY you say? I need to get my friend who goes to Albany university to hunt me down some, heh.


I was going to drop some acid with a kid i go to school with...but he dropped out of uni to work *shrug*

[hihigh]

I want some acid.

Hihigh, thanks man, that was interesting (as fuck) and you taught me quite a bit about how big the batches are that they make.
Good shit, truely good shit :)

yeah wikipedia is a good website..it's cool as fuck how one huge lab can make like 3 quaters of the countries LSD. But fuck the DEA, seriously. I've always wanted to work in law enforcement, my dad was a cop for 20 years in new york city and i found it absolutley fascinating. My growing interest regarding drugs is causing me to hate the very profession i've always wanted to be in. :( :(

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

yeah wikipedia is a good website..it's cool as fuck how one huge lab can make like 3 quaters of the countries LSD. But fuck the DEA, seriously. I've always wanted to work in law enforcement, my dad was a cop for 20 years in new york city and i found it absolutley fascinating. My growing interest regarding drugs is causing me to hate the very profession i've always wanted to be in. :( :(

I'd like to be a copper too, would be a good experience and fun.

You should start making acid.. become a cop and start producing LSD :D Woo!

[hihigh]

I'd like to be a copper too, would be a good experience and fun.

You should start making acid.. become a cop and start producing LSD :D Woo!



haha then i would make news all across the U.S. and be fired when i get busted. At least i'd get my 15 minutes of fame? lol.

I'm not necessarily upset about the whole busting of drugs. I mean i'd never give a few kids who were smoking a joint shit, and any huge busts are all related to DEA. I'm just kind of pissed ill never be able to unwind after a long day and smoke a bowl or two in fear that if i ever get randomly drug tested or found out i'd be fired and lose all pension, et cetera.

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

haha then i would make news all across the U.S. and be fired when i get busted. At least i'd get my 15 minutes of fame? lol.

I'm not necessarily upset about the whole busting of drugs. I mean i'd never give a few kids who were smoking a joint shit, and any huge busts are all related to DEA. I'm just kind of pissed ill never be able to unwind after a long day and smoke a bowl or two in fear that if i ever get randomly drug tested or found out i'd be fired and lose all pension, et cetera.
Yeah I guess there are a few downsides to it!
Would be fun to be a cop though :D

See what it's like.

[bonsaiguy]

I'd like to be a copper too, would be a good experience and fun.

You should start making acid.. become a cop and start producing LSD :D Woo!
Don't be too hard on the cops as they are simply enforcing the laws they are told to enforce. It's a great profession if you're up to it. I would only last as long as it took me to find some shithead molesting a kid and that would be the end of my career since I'd probably lose it and become judge, jury and executioner and violate the poor perverts rights six ways to sunday.

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

Don't be too hard on the cops as they are simply enforcing the laws they are told to enforce. It's a great profession if you're up to it. I would only last as long as it took me to find some shithead molesting a kid and that would be the end of my career since I'd probably lose it and become judge, jury and executioner and violate the poor perverts rights six ways to sunday.

I wasn't being hard on them, I even said I'd like to be one. I agree without them we wouldn't survive a week!

[Rarrr]

Yeah, it would be a hard job, constantly being ridiculed for the laws they didnt even create but like everything else there are going to be people who abuse their power.

[beachguy in thongs]

hmmm good acid in upstate NY you say? I need to get my friend who goes to Albany university to hunt me down some, heh.


I was going to drop some acid with a kid i go to school with...but he dropped out of uni to work *shrug*
Sorry, I haven't been around there in a while. :stoned:

[beachguy in thongs]

Why aren't cops, silvs?

[tripsalot]

"Right now, in the world, where is acid being made, who is making it?
I've read the process of making LSD-25 and it's very tricky to do (it seems), so I'm wondering who right now is making it, what type of people they are (scientists, clever regular guys, etc.) and where they're making it (country and the location, like a kitchen or laboratory). " <--- this guy sounds like a cop

I was aware that all the compounds to make lsd are all strictly controlled by the goverment. I havnt seen acid around in quantity for years more than 5 years. All the stuff ive seen is old acid that has been saved. I dont think its being manufactured on any large scale. I think they caught a top guy.

[3 Sheets To The Wind]

"Right now, in the world, where is acid being made, who is making it?
I've read the process of making LSD-25 and it's very tricky to do (it seems), so I'm wondering who right now is making it, what type of people they are (scientists, clever regular guys, etc.) and where they're making it (country and the location, like a kitchen or laboratory). " <--- this guy sounds like a cop

I was aware that all the compounds to make lsd are all strictly controlled by the goverment. I havnt seen acid around in quantity for years more than 5 years. All the stuff ive seen is old acid that has been saved. I dont think its being manufactured on any large scale. I think they caught a top guy.

Man yeah, being a cop is so boring, that's how I've managed to rack up over 7,000 posts, boredom at work! lol

;)

[stangle12]

Right now, in the world, where is acid being made, who is making it?
I've read the process of making LSD-25 and it's very tricky to do (it seems), so I'm wondering who right now is making it, what type of people they are (scientists, clever regular guys, etc.) and where they're making it (country and the location, like a kitchen or laboratory).

Anyone know where the LSD of today is coming from?


His name is Frank, he lives by himself in a shack in vermont.

[daZenfmeister]

Acid is the key to our realization that our Government is failing and corrput so they dont want us to have it....

[tripsalot]

exactly

[w4terb0ng]

back in 98 or so.. i bought a couple of hits off a friend of mine. i took one. my friend that was with me that night took one. about 2 hours later... i was cursing the bastard that i bought it from and calling him a sorry ass friend. not 15 minutes after my ranting began, the people on t.v. were turning into strange cat-like creatures. people's heads were swelling up like balloons...it was just fucking crazy!!! i'm from texas. here recently, i've heard of a few places that supposedly have come up with reasonable connects on LSD. until now, i haven't heard of any being around since that episode in 98. i wish i could find some though. would be swell!!!!!! :D

[Rarrr]

Acid is the key to our realization that our Government is failing and corrput so they dont want us to have it....
Its all about control. We must be good sheep or the government will send us to the butchers.