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Ganj

12-08-2005, 01:41 AM

420purplehaze420

12-08-2005, 01:49 AM

i understand what your sayin like if there was a cure for cancer then people would be like phewww thats a load off my back now i can smoke cigs all i want. or with the aids dealie people would just be like o shit good thing thats looked after now i can fuck anyone anywhere anytime with no protection. but still i dont think its right for the government to hide anything from its people but maybe its better for the americans....

Omni05

12-08-2005, 01:50 AM

hmmm that would be a very difficult cover up to accomplish. People even leaked rumors about the manhattan project, and area 51. But if it could be pulled off you have a point.

hank

12-08-2005, 02:03 AM

Since when did the government tell us what we could do to our bodies?

A free democratic nation ensures

Maximum mobility, rights, and action. If the constitution is properly interperted, then we have the right to hurt our bodies, I don't know who outlawed drugs but it aint working, i think all drugs should be legal, and it should be up to the individual, after the individual is given the facts and given a choice

Fuck the government, the reason that weed is illegal is because Marbollo or something spread shit like "marijuana makes colored people sexually aggressive towards women" because they knew if marijuana spread then tobacco wouldn't sell, and tobacco is unhealthy for you while marijuana is not that unhealthy (the only health risk might be a burn in your lung due to hot smoke, but that can be done with using a vaporizer

BoyNamedSue

12-08-2005, 02:04 AM

as many of you think the american government can't be trusted, i ask you to look at it from another point of view. if there was a cure for aids, would it be wise to let us know? if there was a cure for cancer, would it promote more sinister deeds or make people think twice about smoking a pack of cigarettes a day?

that example would never happen. theres so much money in pharmaceutical drugs that the govt. would be crazy to cover it up. whats more important is that people get help and no matter how heartless you may think the govt. is, theyre not that cold.

besides, the important thing to remember is that the private sector controls medicine in this country (thank god) and the government doesnt have much of a choice whether or not they go public with that stuff.

bonsaiguy

12-08-2005, 02:28 AM

that example would never happen. theres so much money in pharmaceutical drugs that the govt. would be crazy to cover it up. whats more important is that people get help and no matter how heartless you may think the govt. is, theyre not that cold.

besides, the important thing to remember is that the private sector controls medicine in this country (thank god) and the government doesnt have much of a choice whether or not they go public with that stuff.

Just an observation....every major pharmaceutical company, oil company etc etc receives grants and tax incentives to do the research that they do. And both the democans and republicrats receive plenty of contributions from said companies. Since the pharms already take is shitload of profits from aids drugs, paincontrol drugs, cancer fighting drugs, chemotherapy drugs etc etc, what current incentive would they have at this point in time to release a cure for either...assuming they have one. Same for the energy companies. They are already bleeding us dry for gas, fuel oil, diesel, and electricity. I would venture to guess that if they have new and/or renewable energy options, they will sit on it until the well are all dried up. Check out all of the crap regarding the FDA and RU486 (abortion pill). Oh and they are not heartless...just greedy.

flamingskullballs

12-08-2005, 02:37 AM

that is very true, and moved me

however...i still am paranoid of the goverment

drboots13

12-08-2005, 02:50 AM

cancer isnt caused only from smoking.....

BoyNamedSue

12-08-2005, 02:55 AM

Just an observation....every major pharmaceutical company, oil company etc etc receives grants and tax incentives to do the research that they do. And both the democans and republicrats receive plenty of contributions from said companies. Since the pharms already take is shitload of profits from aids drugs, paincontrol drugs, cancer fighting drugs, chemotherapy drugs etc etc, what current incentive would they have at this point in time to release a cure for either...assuming they have one. Same for the energy companies. They are already bleeding us dry for gas, fuel oil, diesel, and electricity. I would venture to guess that if they have new and/or renewable energy options, they will sit on it until the well are all dried up. Check out all of the crap regarding the FDA and RU486 (abortion pill). Oh and they are not heartless...just greedy.

well, i think theres two reasons that there wouldnt be a need to cover up aids drugs...

1. medical companies have a moral obligation to help people and i'd hope they follow through on it.

2. simply the money. sure, they make a lot selling chemo drugs to cancer patients, but if there was a cure on the market, i can guarantee that 100% of those patients would ditch the chemo and opt for the more expensive cure drug.

...you're right though, the govt. does spend a lot on medical research thats contracted through these private companies. but the majority of the money is lost in research. ill try and find the numbers somewhere but im pretty sure that neither the govt. nor the pharmaceudical companies make much money off this stuff since most of it is used just to develope them.

it makes since when you think about it. billions of dollars are spent every year on cancer and aids research with a common goal: find a cure. this money is not reciprocated. everyone, even us (the taxpayers) are losing. a cure released to the public would only benefit them financially.

likemclever

12-08-2005, 03:06 AM

I guess I don't understand what being an American has to do with this. America is not the only country that is working on Cancer or Aids for that matter.

BaseRSX

12-08-2005, 04:16 AM

emg

12-08-2005, 04:34 AM

well, i think theres two reasons that there wouldnt be a need to cover up aids drugs...

1. medical companies have a moral obligation to help people and i'd hope they follow through on it.

2. simply the money. sure, they make a lot selling chemo drugs to cancer patients, but if there was a cure on the market, i can guarantee that 100% of those patients would ditch the chemo and opt for the more expensive cure drug.

...you're right though, the govt. does spend a lot on medical research thats contracted through these private companies. but the majority of the money is lost in research. ill try and find the numbers somewhere but im pretty sure that neither the govt. nor the pharmaceudical companies make much money off this stuff since most of it is used just to develope them.

it makes since when you think about it. billions of dollars are spent every year on cancer and aids research with a common goal: find a cure. this money is not reciprocated. everyone, even us (the taxpayers) are losing. a cure released to the public would only benefit them financially.

pharmaceutical companies do not care about a cure. they have only found 1 cure since 1970 and that was polio. i know you may think i'm ignorant because of our last little argument, but i'm just stating my opinions.

pharmaceutical companies only have 1 common goal: to increase share holder profits. if we had a natural cure for cancer/aids/or any other disease, these companies would go bankrupt and there would be no need for them. i'm not saying the medical industry isn't looking for a cure, i'm just saying it's ridiculous that they haven't come up with ANY! for example, 5 years ago, a guy in canada made a cure for diabetes, and was paid 30 million in cash to shut the fuck up about it. of course, you guys may want sources, but believe whatever you want to believe.

the food and drug administration is evil, and i'll just leave it at that.

likemclever

12-08-2005, 04:37 AM

5 years ago, a guy in canada made a cure for diabetes, and was paid 30 million in cash to shut the fuck up about it. of course, you guys may want sources, but believe whatever you want to believe.

With a claim like that you better have a souorce..ha ha

emg

12-08-2005, 04:44 AM

first of all, sources that claim anything about curing is illegal unless it is CONSIDERED A DRUG. the FDA states this plain and clear... so what makes you think i'll have a source about the cure of diabetes??? get a clue

likemclever

12-08-2005, 04:54 AM

well....considering you got your information from SOMEWHERE (assuming it didn't fall out of your ass) there must me a sorce for the information somewhere.

I got my clue yesterday they were selling them two for one....if you would like I can give you the one I'm not using.

emg

12-08-2005, 05:07 AM

yes, i would definitely like the clue that you're not using. that would be nice :thumbsup:

likemclever

12-08-2005, 05:13 AM

I'll send it out first thing in the morning....try and make due untill it arives... :D

litespeed

12-08-2005, 05:42 AM

BaseRSX

12-08-2005, 06:19 AM

for example, 5 years ago, a guy in canada made a cure for diabetes, and was paid 30 million in cash to shut the fuck up about it. of course, you guys may want sources, but believe whatever you want to believe.

the food and drug administration is evil, and i'll just leave it at that.

Does anyone else see how ridicules this is? LOL So some guy in Canada just came up with a cure for diabetes huh? No other scientists in Canada or anywhere else knew about it or helped? So he was in his basement mixing stuff in a bathroom sink and all of a sudden had the cure. The FDA heard about this some how without ANYONE else hearing about it also and managed to get to him and offer him 30 million dollars to shut up? LMFAO!!!

Fist of all the whole notion of this is preposterous, and secondly the guy could have gone to any number of over seas drug companies and sold it for 300 million just for open up talks about it with them!! Then probably 900, million, 3 billion? I find it hard to believe a guy that was smart enough to find a cure for diabetes would be stupid enough to accept 300 million for something that would be that major. I mean Howard Stern got 500 million just to go to satellite radio!!

Come on guys, you all really watch way too many bad movies! LOL

litespeed

12-08-2005, 06:23 AM

With a claim like that you better have a souorce..ha ha
:thumbsup: Repair the faulty blood sugar control system. This is done simply by substituting clean, healthy, beneficial fats and oils in the diet for the pristine-looking but toxic trans-isomer mix found in attractive plastic containers on supermarket shelves. Consume only flax oil, fish oil ,hemp oil and occasionally cod liver oil until blood sugar starts to stabilise. Then add back healthy oils such as butter, coconut oil, olive oil and clean animal fat. Read labels; refuse to consume cheap junk oils when they appear in processed food or on restaurant menus. Diabetics are chronically short of minerals; they need to add a good-quality, broad-spectrum mineral supplement to the diet.

Control blood sugar manually during the recovery cycle. Under medical supervision, gradually discontinue all oral hypoglycaemic agents along with any additional drugs given to counteract their side effects. Develop natural blood-sugar control by the use of glycaemic tables, by consuming frequent small meals (including fibre-rich foods), by regular post-prandial exercise, and by the complete avoidance of all sugars along with the judicious use of only non-toxic sweeteners. Avoid alcohol until blood sugar stabilises in the normal range. Keep score by using a pinprick-type glucose meter. Keep track of everything you do with a medical diary.

Restore a proper balance of healthy fats and oils when the blood sugar controller again works. Permanently remove from the diet all cheap, toxic, junk fats and oils as well as the processed and restaurant foods that contain them. When the blood sugar controller again starts to work correctly, gradually introduce additional healthy foods to the diet. Test the effect of these added foods by monitoring blood sugar levels with the pinprick-type blood sugar monitor. Be sure to include the results of these tests in your diary also.

Continue the program until normal insulin values are also restored after blood sugar levels begin to stabilise in the normal region. Once blood sugar levels fall into the normal range, the pancreas will gradually stop overproducing insulin. This process will typically take a little longer and can be tested by having your physician send a sample of your blood to a lab for a serum insulin determination. A good idea is to wait a couple of months after blood sugar control is restored and then have your physician check your insulin level. It's nice to have blood sugar in the normal range; it's even nicer to have this accomplished without excess insulin in the bloodstream.

Separately repair the collateral damage done by the disease. Vascular problems caused by a chronically elevated glucose level will normally reverse themselves without conscious effort. The effects of retinopathy and of peripheral neuropathy, for example, will usually self repair. However, when the fine capillaries in the basement membranes of the kidneys begin to leak due to chronic high blood glucose, the kidneys compensate by laying down scar tissue to prevent the leakage. This scar tissue remains even after the diabetes is cured, and is the reason why the kidney damage is not believed to self repair.

A word of warningâ?¦ When retinopathy develops, there may be a temptation to have the damage repaired by laser surgery. This laser technique stops the retinal bleeding by creating scar tissue where the leaks have developed. This scar tissue will prevent normal healing of the fine capillaries in the eye when the diabetes is reversed. By reversing the diabetes instead of opting for laser surgery, there is an excellent chance that the eye will heal completely. However, if laser surgery is done, this healing will always be complicated by the scar tissue left by the laser.
The arterial and vascular damage done by years of elevated sugar and insulin and by the proliferation of systemic candida will slowly reverse due to improved diet. However, it takes many years to clean out the arteries by this form of oral chelation. Arterial damage can be reversed much more quickly by using intravenous chelation therapy. What would normally take many years through diet alone can often be done in six months with intravenous therapy. This is reputed to be effective over 80% of the time. For obvious reasons, don't expect your doctor to approve of this, particularly if he's a heart specialist.

Recovery Time
The prognosis is usually swift recovery from the disease and restoration of normal health and energy levels in a few months to a year or more. The length of time that it takes to effect a cure depends upon how long the disease was allowed to develop.
For those who work quickly to reverse the disease after early discovery, the time is usually a few months or less. For those who have had the disease for many years, this recovery time may lengthen to a year or more. Thus, there is good reason to get busy reversing this disease as soon as it becomes clearly identified.
What orthodox medical treatment is all about, and why diabetes has become a national and international disgrace. Of even greater importance, you have become acquainted with a self-help program that has demonstrated great potential to actually cure this disease.

:D

Ganj

12-08-2005, 08:25 AM

Why is this being labeled about America?? You do know that many if not most of the top research for these two Diseases is being done outside the USA right? Any cure for cancer and AIDS would involve scientists from all over the world. At the very least there would be many, many scientist outside the USA that would know so many of the details of the research leading up to an actual cure that they would know if a â??companyâ? had one or not.

Iâ??m sorry but this is one of the dumbest threads I have seen in a while. And Iâ??m not some American defender, far from it. But I am more apt to believe that our government intentionally flooded New Orleans than I would ever believe they COLUD develop a cure for AIDS or Cancer and hide it without the international scientific community knowing about it.
you need funding for such experimentation. the funding which comes from a government, therefore is government science. who has the knowledge? the government. you can't sit here and tell me you think that there hasn't been any advances in the cure for aids or cancer. they can put a man in space, but they can't cure a disease. i don't know, it just seems...more fitting? here we are worried about what their doing, complaining over the decision another human-being makes. perhaps my heart just can't take the thought of evil prevailing, where's the goodness in the hearts of men? where has all the love gone?

Miggoll

12-08-2005, 11:26 AM

A free democratic nation ensures

USA? UK? hahaha!! Free and democratic nah! :)

However:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1578193,00.html

likemclever

12-09-2005, 04:15 AM

:thumbsup: Repair the faulty blood sugar control system. This is done simply by ........... you have become acquainted with a self-help program that has demonstrated great potential to actually cure this disease.

:D

Somebody quick call the basement (grow fourm) ask them to do a head count I think one of them got looseâ?¦.ask them if theyâ??re missing a whachamacoligistâ?¦â?¦.jk..:D

I donâ??t necessarily disagree with what you posted and I donâ??t necessarily disagree with the web sites the info came fromâ?¦.believe me Iâ??m not a poo pooer of alternative treatmentsâ?¦Go with what works. Thatâ??s how I feel about it.

I say necessarily because my comprehension of it is not what it should beâ?¦..(I know enough Biology to make a B..ha ha) what can I say math and science have never my strong suitâ?¦Iâ??m more of a liberal arts galâ?¦.and more specifically the Trivium...Iâ??m a Communication major what can I sayâ?¦:)

Surely you can make a distinction between what you posted and what I was referring to. Anyways, I did read what you posted and there is a bit I donâ??t understand.

To me I see your solution as treatment because if you canâ??t eat an Oreo without slipping in to a coma than thatâ??s just not normalâ?¦..yes I understand thatâ??s a bit of an exaggeration but you understand what I mean.

And if indeed this is a cureâ?¦.than one should be able to lead a â??normalâ? life without having to be on a super strict diet. Cause if I read that right this â??cureâ? is only a cure if you stay on this strict diet. Am I right?

This is reputed to be effective over 80% of the time. For obvious reasons, don't expect your doctor to approve of this, particularly if he's a heart specialist.

and if itâ??s effective 80% of the time than why arenâ??t diabetics from all over the world jumping on this band wagon.

And no sorryâ?¦(like I said I only got a B in Biology) itâ??s not obvious to me why a doctor wouldnâ??t approveâ?¦..Iâ??m assuming it has something with the heart.

Peace, thanks for posting
Likem

:)

emg

12-09-2005, 04:26 AM

Does anyone else see how ridicules this is? LOL So some guy in Canada just came up with a cure for diabetes huh? No other scientists in Canada or anywhere else knew about it or helped? So he was in his basement mixing stuff in a bathroom sink and all of a sudden had the cure. The FDA heard about this some how without ANYONE else hearing about it also and managed to get to him and offer him 30 million dollars to shut up? LMFAO!!!

Fist of all the whole notion of this is preposterous, and secondly the guy could have gone to any number of over seas drug companies and sold it for 300 million just for open up talks about it with them!! Then probably 900, million, 3 billion? I find it hard to believe a guy that was smart enough to find a cure for diabetes would be stupid enough to accept 300 million for something that would be that major. I mean Howard Stern got 500 million just to go to satellite radio!!

Come on guys, you all really watch way too many bad movies! LOL

no, you're just the blind idiot, not me...diabetes is a rapidly growing, haven't you fuckin' noticed, kids are now having it. i'm fuckin 24 and i've had it for 8 years! people like you piss me off because you have no idea of what the government is capable of. oh yeah, you say the guy coulda made 300 million easily selling the cure overseas...don't YOU sound ridiculous?! do you think the diabetes industry is worth 300 million?? do you know how much money the government makes off the industry. i dont' have a clue, but i know its more than 300 million a year. get a clue fucknut.

litespeed

12-09-2005, 08:18 PM

:)[/QUOTE]
Our Deadly Diabetes Deception
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/DiabetesDeception.html
:D :thumbsup:

emg

12-09-2005, 08:23 PM

:)
Our Deadly Diabetes Deception
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/DiabetesDeception.html
:D :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]

thanks for posting that litespeed!

Trichome Creator

12-09-2005, 08:41 PM

litespeed

12-09-2005, 08:48 PM

Our Deadly Diabetes Deception
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/DiabetesDeception.html
:D :thumbsup:

thanks for posting that litespeed![/QUOTE]
good read read all of it we have one that it work on.
good luck! :thumbsup: