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theNecromancer2113
12-06-2005, 03:21 AM
apparently in denver it's legal to be in possession of an ounce or less if you're 21+, anyone know if this is legit?

also i hear oakland and seattle are the next cities to adhere to this, 2-3 years from now.

187
12-06-2005, 03:46 AM
GOOOGGGGGGGLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BIOTCH

poiuyt
12-06-2005, 03:49 AM
Denver is legal to pocess under an ounce, but with state law and federal law, it's still illegal.

needbudnj
12-06-2005, 04:34 AM
The local cops there are enforcing the state law, so the fact that theres no city law is pretty meaningless.

More of a political statement. But hey, all good political movements start out small.

bonsaiguy
12-06-2005, 05:55 AM
I find it completely fucked that these republicrats who claim to be big supporters of states rights seem to do a 180 when it comes to medical mj. I also find it completely fucked that the democans don't have the balls to speak up and take a stand for the sick. Just reinforces my belief that they are really only concerned about protecting their cake jobs and pensions. They get elected and from day one of their terms are only concerned with getting re-elected.

mightymarijuanabuds
12-06-2005, 05:58 AM
yea pretty much

but the enforcement out here is pretty leniant.. we have been largely unaffected by pipe dreams, and local LEOs don't come after personal growers unless there is suspicion of other drug activity

opiuser
12-07-2005, 01:04 AM
it is true that its legal there... (know from a NORML letter) and it is true that people are still getting busted.

But, Local law overpowers state and federal law, no matter what. If you present this fact to the court, your trial will be declared either that you win, or mistrial

needbudnj
12-07-2005, 03:20 AM
it is true that its legal there... (know from a NORML letter) and it is true that people are still getting busted.

But, Local law overpowers state and federal law, no matter what. If you present this fact to the court, your trial will be declared either that you win, or mistrial

No man, it's the opposite. Federal Law always trumps state law because of the supremacy clause in the Constitution:


"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be Supreme Law of the land; and the Judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

State law always trumps local law, bucause cities get all of their powers from the state. They are just creations of the state, and the state could take away all of their power anytime it wants.

So that's why the Denver law doesn't do much.

P.E.N.G.U.I.N.
12-07-2005, 03:54 AM
But the Constitution also states that a law cannot be passed if it doesn't apply to one of the specific powers pertaining to Congress.

needbudnj
12-07-2005, 11:29 PM
But the Constitution also states that a law cannot be passed if it doesn't apply to one of the specific powers pertaining to Congress.

Yeah but that's pretty meaningless now. When the cali medical marijuana case went to the Supreme Court, they argued that the Constitution didn't give the feds a right to police drugs that didn't cross state boundries and were only used for medicinal purposes. The argument got shot down.

Hate to get into a serious discussion on the Recreational board, I'd just hate for someone to be walking around downtown Denver carrying a joint with the wrong impression.

opiuser
12-08-2005, 06:38 AM
No man, it's the opposite. Federal Law always trumps state law because of the supremacy clause in the Constitution:



State law always trumps local law, bucause cities get all of their powers from the state. They are just creations of the state, and the state could take away all of their power anytime it wants.

So that's why the Denver law doesn't do much.

the only reason the government has its power is because we give it to them.

if at some point, 2/3 of america decided to stand up, nothing could be done by the government to stop them. THe government would have to give in to their demands in order to retain its power, or we would overthrow them and make a better one. like when america started

mightymarijuanabuds
12-08-2005, 10:34 PM
recent polls show that 3/4 of americans over 45 favor legalizing medical marijuana

if you want to get technical , local law SHOULD always supercede state and fed laws... but our system is fucked, and it doesnt always work that way

recently a man got arrested for mj possesion here in denver and is fighting the case, claiming that it was perfectly legal due to city ordinace, the CO state supreme court is expected to hear the case.

Fan o KmK
12-09-2005, 02:27 AM
woa...