Jesus' Return

[beachguy in thongs]

I've heard different theories.

The poll is coming.

Whoops, wrong button.


Okay, forget it. Do you think he'll return as a person, other lifeform, spirit, inanimate object, or whatever else?

[Trychs]

I don't reckon he'll come back at all. If anything it'll probably be the father coming back to take revenge like in that parable about the cityfull of peeps who scorned the prophets then killed the mans son.
Didn't that story say vengeance would come. Never mind sea levels are arising everyone maybe we'll all drown first anyway. :thumbsup:

trychs is feeling glum. :D

[beachguy in thongs]

Well, I guess it was just that. A parable.

But, to Gnostics, Jesus Christ is a parable.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

a parable about a man who spread parables in attempt to save humanity; the moral of the parable?


leave everyone the fuck alone, and do whatever the fuck it is you want to do, and just embrace the cause-and-effect of your actions.

[GreenGenes]

I don't think he's coming back.. I think it's like one of those times when you want to ditch your little brother or somebody and you're all like "yeah man... wait right here, I'll be right back" and you leave them there.

[beachguy in thongs]

That's a cool explanation. It gives more credibility to the "Jesus was a Stoner" Theory.

[mrdevious]

Jesus already came back in 2000, but it was in peurto rico so nobody noticed.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i still think jesus is too pissed off at us, and wont come back untill he calms down, but alas, his temper is a direct RESULT of our mindset, not so much our actions.


our ignorance and lack of faith hurts christ's feelings, and a metaphysical body is made up OF feelings. we continue to attack him even after the crucifixion.


no, he wont come back unless a). he's not angry any more
or b). he is going to annahilate all of us.

[beachguy in thongs]

I think he's pissed that we've been spelling his name wrong for 2,000 years.

Geez'.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

lmao SHHHHSHSHHHHHH!!!!


it's funnier this way!

[Sir Les]

He is suppose to come back the way he left.
And at a time when the world is in termoil, and chaos!
There will be earthquakes, and odd weather....plague and pestilance...these things only show the coming of our Lord....so we have time yet to make good our gardens!
Acts 3:21
Rev 17:17

[mrdevious]

I suppose he could have already come back a few times, as muhammad, or ba'ha'ula, or..... *holds in laughter* joseph smith...

[F L E S H]

Why even waste your time debating silly superstitions? Life will always be meaningless unless you live the present moment to its fullest extent. There is no God, no Jesus, no nothing, only humanity. Once we all accept this we will be able to move beyond our petty squables and realize that we have the potential to be great, to usher in a new age of peace and prosperity for the entire world.

I am firm in my belief that religion (especially the big three monotheistic ones) has hindered and prevented us from achieving our potential.

[beachguy in thongs]

Flesh...

I am banning you from the realms of my imagination.

Thanks for wondering...

Chris

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Why even waste your time debating silly superstitions? Life will always be meaningless unless you live the present moment to its fullest extent. There is no God, no Jesus, no nothing, only humanity. Once we all accept this we will be able to move beyond our petty squables and realize that we have the potential to be great, to usher in a new age of peace and prosperity for the entire world.

I am firm in my belief that religion (especially the big three monotheistic ones) has hindered and prevented us from achieving our potential.
i agree that religion has destroyed humanity more than it has bennifited us, but i just cant accept that the whole of reality is mindless.

or that the mind is a physical entity, or collective of physical entities...


however, for you, as an athiest, i can accept the mind being a collective of all entities in existance. in this manner, the universe would be created from the inside out, rather than the spiritualistic outside in fassion i see.

[sm0k1t]

Jesus his mad because we are screwing is big garden of green peace...lets get together and make nature grow!!! nature is powerful it can grow threw asphalt!!!

[Green Love]

I believe jesus will return someday.
That day will be a glorious day for all.

[mrdevious]

Why even waste your time debating silly superstitions? Life will always be meaningless unless you live the present moment to its fullest extent. There is no God, no Jesus, no nothing, only humanity. Once we all accept this we will be able to move beyond our petty squables and realize that we have the potential to be great, to usher in a new age of peace and prosperity for the entire world.

I am firm in my belief that religion (especially the big three monotheistic ones) has hindered and prevented us from achieving our potential.

yep, I've wondered at times how far we'd be both societally and technologically if we didn't spend over a thousand years executing people for proposing theories that aren't "duuuuuhhhhhhhhhh god did it". this is why I don't like the intelligent design theory, it's more of the same old "well you can't explain it because blank blank and blank, so that proves god did it!". throughout history we attributed everything we can't scientificly explain to the easy "god" explanation. and when we managed to scientificly explain that, we just move on to the next thing we haven't yet explained and call that proof of gods work.

[Sir Les]

Why even waste your time debating silly superstitions? Life will always be meaningless unless you live the present moment to its fullest extent. There is no God, no Jesus, no nothing, only humanity. Once we all accept this we will be able to move beyond our petty squables and realize that we have the potential to be great, to usher in a new age of peace and prosperity for the entire world.

I am firm in my belief that religion (especially the big three monotheistic ones) has hindered and prevented us from achieving our potential.

Living life to it's fullest degree intails study of my reality and how it works for me to be!
How does the bee and the flower evolve together in their dependancy on each other?
One services the other, and vise versa...so more can come about!
But they are distinct entities.
How is it the flower can make nectar that the bee needs, to aloure it to the polllen, so it can furtilze other flowers of the same type?
Isn't this intelligence showing in its formation on both sides?
The plant holds some form of intelligence,and has made a covenant with the bee, butterfly, and Bird!
Other plants and trees have also formed these types of covenants!
The ant and the tree...the ant makes sure no other plants springs up in a certain area, so the trees can flurish in this spot!
Only one type of tree grows in this spot!
And the Ants live on the trees that have some how communicated to the ant, or vise versa, the terms of the covenants between them!
Both live out their lives dependant on each other, and cetain things remaining the same over time!

Now this is becoming plain to see in almost everything living...there seems to be a chain of life that is in support of the greater Good...the dome, the atmosphere, and water purification systems all livingthings working together to make it work!
That is why religion is born along side Us!
Something of intelligence is at work here, making life serve a purpose for the greater good of all life!

Thus "to tend and keep the garden" is the prime directive of humans!
We can communicate with them if we only tried to believe in them being intelligent enough to communicate a set of instruction given them by a higher order!!

I know from my experience in life, that there is something more to it, than Idolatry and wealth!
Being good, and doing service in the garden in some form, restoring the plants, and tending to the animals in some small way brings one closer to Godliness, master, or Lord ship over them!= Dominion
God is Holy, so we are holy, if we want to be!
Now if All life knows God, and Christ did his work right, nature becomes our friend!..or we are known by nature to be shamans of the forest or garden principles!
Thus we gain passage through the first level of conscienceness in this reality, by doing what God said to do!
"To tend and keep the garden"
This would intail that we hold all plants and animals in good care!
So the world can continue flurishing in some form of order!
We have helpers in them other life forms to count on if we do the right things!
We were not given rights to judge God's creations with out full study!
Today it is not working out so well!
Pollution and corruption with greed under an Idol have taken hold.
Not doing the service, raping the land of everything, and leaving nothing for the other life forms!
We are becoming selfish onto our selves!
Over population, and less and less people putting their hand to soil, is making nobodies out of everyone for a high price!
We all have to come together on this one fact, if we don't change the direction of these democracies, and social systems driving pollutants into the elements, we are going to die, because the planet will hate us and gobble us up!!!
Wrath of God is proof enough, we are doing the wrong things with fossil fuels!...I see the entire world ( all living things) going down the drain of the universe under this system of industry!...all because of human stupidity with the elementals!
Once they are completely defiled, All life will be in testemony of our self worth!
They will turn on us!

Are we going to save planet earth from ourselves?

Ozone decay, and Acid rain, tainted fish, mad cows, and sick chickens are just the top of the hat!

Are we intelligent?

[Trychs]

Jesus already came back in 2000, but it was in peurto rico so nobody noticed.

Isn't next year the true year 2000? I've read somewhere that the Romans changed the calendar which means we're not there yet really we've just tried to cheat like. ;)

[F L E S H]

Living life to it's fullest degree intails study of my reality and how it works for me to be!
How does the bee and the flower evolve together in their dependancy on each other?
One services the other, and vise versa...so more can come about!
But they are distinct entities.
How is it the flower can make nectar that the bee needs, to aloure it to the polllen, so it can furtilze other flowers of the same type?
Isn't this intelligence showing in its formation on both sides?
The plant holds some form of intelligence,and has made a covenant with the bee, butterfly, and Bird!
Other plants and trees have also formed these types of covenants!
The ant and the tree...the ant makes sure no other plants springs up in a certain area, so the trees can flurish in this spot!
Only one type of tree grows in this spot!
And the Ants live on the trees that have some how communicated to the ant, or vise versa, the terms of the covenants between them!
Both live out their lives dependant on each other, and cetain things remaining the same over time!

Now this is becoming plain to see in almost everything living...there seems to be a chain of life that is in support of the greater Good...the dome, the atmosphere, and water purification systems all livingthings working together to make it work!
That is why religion is born along side Us!
Something of intelligence is at work here, making life serve a purpose for the greater good of all life!

Thus "to tend and keep the garden" is the prime directive of humans!
We can communicate with them if we only tried to believe in them being intelligent enough to communicate a set of instruction given them by a higher order!!

I know from my experience in life, that there is something more to it, than Idolatry and wealth!
Being good, and doing service in the garden in some form, restoring the plants, and tending to the animals in some small way brings one closer to Godliness, master, or Lord ship over them!= Dominion
God is Holy, so we are holy, if we want to be!
Now if All life knows God, and Christ did his work right, nature becomes our friend!..or we are known by nature to be shamans of the forest or garden principles!
Thus we gain passage through the first level of conscienceness in this reality, by doing what God said to do!
"To tend and keep the garden"
This would intail that we hold all plants and animals in good care!
So the world can continue flurishing in some form of order!
We have helpers in them other life forms to count on if we do the right things!
We were not given rights to judge God's creations with out full study!
Today it is not working out so well!
Pollution and corruption with greed under an Idol have taken hold.
Not doing the service, raping the land of everything, and leaving nothing for the other life forms!
We are becoming selfish onto our selves!
Over population, and less and less people putting their hand to soil, is making nobodies out of everyone for a high price!
We all have to come together on this one fact, if we don't change the direction of these democracies, and social systems driving pollutants into the elements, we are going to die, because the planet will hate us and gobble us up!!!
Wrath of God is proof enough, we are doing the wrong things with fossil fuels!...I see the entire world ( all living things) going down the drain of the universe under this system of industry!...all because of human stupidity with the elementals!
Once they are completely defiled, All life will be in testemony of our self worth!
They will turn on us!

Are we going to save planet earth from ourselves?

Ozone decay, and Acid rain, tainted fish, mad cows, and sick chickens are just the top of the hat!

Are we intelligent?
Thank you, you took the bait :D

Don't you realize the adaptability of life? It doesn't take God or anyone else to tell bees what to do, or to make flowers pollinate... That's the way flowers reproduce, and bees help them by spreading the pollen around. If there are no bees, flowers still pollinate, and if there are no flowers, bees will eat something else.

You are close minded and contribute to the so-called evil that's spreadin around the world at this very moment. You refuse to see humanity as the sum of ITS OWN achievements, only because God decided it would be so. God can go fuck himself, because we did it all on our own.

I'm not even gonna comment on the rest of what you wrote, because it hurts my brain to think that some people still think this way. But if you want to progress beyong today's troubles, beyond today's feuds and hatreds, beyond good and evil (thank you Nietzsche), then you must progress beyond religion.

[F L E S H]

Flesh...

I am banning you from the realms of my imagination.

Thanks for wondering...

Chris
Chris... Don't be that way!!!! why?

[MudFu]

Sorry fleah but finding out that God is not true then it would send the world in major suffering and pain. Weither God is real or a tool used to help us deal with the idea of death and hoping we have more is not my place to judge. I do think however the Bible is a lie and nothing more. Trust what you feel is right and then you will be fine. As for human advancments, we will always advance and believing in a God will not change that. It is true that this world have had many wars based on religion, but that is not the only reason for wars. Hitler still would have rised up. He would have targeted another group of people thou but thats all. He only targeted Jews because they were easy scapgoats. God has nothing to do with our peace, not now not ever.

[beachguy in thongs]

Chris... Don't be that way!!!! why?
As moderator of my imagination, I see no reason for you to talk about God more than I do, because of your atheism and a Universe, which I have seen, but you will never be able to explain. Your Post-per-God average must near 1000% because, even in your meaningless posts, there is an underlying explanation of the Universe. :stoned:

The Post-per-God average is figured out by dividing your number of posts by your mentioning of God or Our World, within them.

Or something along those lines. Why 1,000? Because if you get a base-hit once in four at-bats, you'll bat .250. So look at it like 1.000.

edit: You may now post in my imagination, again.

[beachguy in thongs]

God has nothing to do with our peace, not now not ever.
Cool post, sorry I deleted it.

If you look at God as being every living creature, as we all have God in us, then God can create Peace.

If you look at God as a being who came down from Heaven and is trying to reach us through another lifeform, our Brother, Kannabis then God can create Peace.

If you look at God as a Creator and a Watcher, then through Faith He can create Peace.

If you don't believe in Him, God can create Peace through Confusion... :stoned:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

what? no comment for me, F L E S H ?

:( im hurt, (not) really. anyways...

[beachguy in thongs]

what? no F L E S H for me, ? comment

:( im hurt, (not) really. anyways...
Your views should be kept in the sexuality forum. :stoned:

[Sir Les]

Thank you, you took the bait :D

Don't you realize the adaptability of life? It doesn't take God or anyone else to tell bees what to do, or to make flowers pollinate... That's the way flowers reproduce, and bees help them by spreading the pollen around. If there are no bees, flowers still pollinate, and if there are no flowers, bees will eat something else.

You are close minded and contribute to the so-called evil that's spreadin around the world at this very moment. You refuse to see humanity as the sum of ITS OWN achievements, only because God decided it would be so. God can go fuck himself, because we did it all on our own.

I'm not even gonna comment on the rest of what you wrote, because it hurts my brain to think that some people still think this way. But if you want to progress beyong today's troubles, beyond today's feuds and hatreds, beyond good and evil (thank you Nietzsche), then you must progress beyond religion.

If your brain hurts when you think , there must be something wrong with it! :thumbsup:

And to gain the holy spirit, one must become holy, and know all things God made, and why! :rasta:

[MudFu]

Cool post, sorry I deleted it.

If you look at God as being every living creature, as we all have God in us, then God can create Peace.

If you look at God as a being who came down from Heaven and is trying to reach us through another lifeform, our Brother, Kannabis then God can create Peace.

If you look at God as a Creator and a Watcher, then through Faith He can create Peace.

If you don't believe in Him, God can create Peace through Confusion...

I see God as the being who made the bases at which we grew. In this sence I believe in the evoloution theory and still able to keep faith in God. He let us grow and is letting us explore the world in our way. Thou he wants the best for us, he will leave us to do what we can with this world. One day we will evolve some more. But we still may not be any closer to peace. Thou our shape has changedm our mind is set. Until we the people of this world decide that thats enough no more war no more fighting, then we are doomed to repeat the events of the past. God is watching us and he is waiting for the day at which we can resolve these problems on our own. So we can be independent. So we do not have to reliy on his good grace all the time. God has no say in our peace, but God will watch over us.

[beachguy in thongs]

We've evolved from factories to cyberspace within three-quarters of a century. We can gain infinite knowledge from our living rooms, through our computers, whereas a quarter-century ago, you had to read a book or take a class. We are evolving at a rapid pace in comparison with the times that scholars travelled the land to spread information. Peace is immanent.

[MudFu]

Someday we will have peace, but we are not at the point in which we can embrace it. Thou many may want it, we still have the ones who will use medthods of harm to get what they want. Not everyone cares for knowledge.

[dboy]

Thank you, you took the bait :D

Don't you realize the adaptability of life? It doesn't take God or anyone else to tell bees what to do, or to make flowers pollinate... That's the way flowers reproduce, and bees help them by spreading the pollen around. If there are no bees, flowers still pollinate, and if there are no flowers, bees will eat something else.

You are close minded and contribute to the so-called evil that's spreadin around the world at this very moment. You refuse to see humanity as the sum of ITS OWN achievements, only because God decided it would be so. God can go fuck himself, because we did it all on our own.



Well said.

Dboy

[F L E S H]

what? no comment for me, F L E S H ?

:( im hurt, (not) really. anyways...
Oh, sorry there, didn't see your post :) But I don't understand what you're trying to say... :stoned:

[beachguy in thongs]

God programmed the bees.


Someday we will have peace, but we are not at the point in which we can embrace it. Thou many may want it, we still have the ones who will use medthods of harm to get what they want. Not everyone cares for knowledge.

There are learners that want to be rich mentally and there are knowledgeable people seeking material wealth. The more Our resources become Their resources, and vice-versa, the less importance religion has in the entire world. It's not who they worship, or their people, that's making Life for them so great, but they are depending on the rest of the world to bring them what they want.

Our goal as a planet should be to have every single one of it's inhabitants have what they want. Or at least be able to obtain it.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Oh, sorry there, didn't see your post :) But I don't understand what you're trying to say... :stoned:you do not believe in a superior force, but i ask you; do you believe our universe IS that superior force, and a "miracle" to us is flexing a single muscle to the universe.



as though we are merely single cells within the universal body.

[weirdo79]

Sigh Amen to Flesh.......to me Faith is a synonym for Ignorance (if you look up the definition stupidity fits in there as well). Now we're ALL a bit ignorant etc, however only a truly stupid person claims to know something they can't prove. Faith is claiming 100%....Science never has...so basically choose "logic or faith" hmmmm I'll take logic that way when I notice fire can cook food I wont be ooooohing and ahhhhing and bowing down to it......;). If 1+1=2 you can't actually believe it makes 3 (you can say you do but to actually believe that, is simply stupid).

I like listening to you SSW so ill respond as best I can, here's an easy test , in dreams you can't feel pain. Pinch yourself.....know thy illusion of illusions is false.......;). The very fact we all perceive the same things debases the illusionary principle, delusions are seldom shared without manipulation(and never without outside influence). Doublespeak and strawmen aside ;).

The one thing I hate is the insistence there HAS to be a God, sure there COULD be "gods" but none of the ones that any human worships (they're too easily disproven by their own dogma written by humans(which is always contradictory) also nothing could ever be omnipotent its a human word that couldnt exist truly as its definition defeats its own abililty, "a rock so heavy god could not lift it"....either way(if he can or can't) he's not ominpotent ;). So that pushes out the big three monotheistic ones (and a few other polytheistic ones)

Being an atheist doesnt say "we're right" its just disbelief in things without one iota or shred of proof, would you convict a man or woman of any crime without a shred of evidence. If you claim "faith" for anything you probably would.......think on that(that wasnt directed at anyone in particular for reference), for instance how could we possibly know for sure what happens after death....we can't and those that do are delusional fools. Or as I believe Stan said once "The biggest douche in the universe" (to jon edwards....another who claims to know.....Southpark quote). Figuring it out NOW thats a good idea....but no assuming......no godly waves of hands(accompanied by a shrug) and no ignoring science.....

Would I not be made fun of for believing in the spaghetti monster from alpha centauri that lives under the legs of all chairs and likes to lick the sweat off of the bottom of your legs in summer when you stand up......(but I swear he's real!!!! theres no other explanation for the sweat dissappearing! well that or evaporation.....) In fact I think i'de get locked up (just like Jesus would if he was real and "came back"....)

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

lol you dont understand omni.

omni means all, a POLYpotent god could make a rock so heavy he couldnt lift it, OR couldnt make the rock heavier than his ability to lift it.


and OMNIPOTENT god can do both or neither, at will, for any or no reason at all, which can be changed at a whim lol.

omni-all
poly-many
mono/uni-one

understanding your prefixes never meant jack shit to me really lol funny to me....

[Mellow Man]

I've heard different theories.

The poll is coming.

Whoops, wrong button.


Okay, forget it. Do you think he'll return as a person, other lifeform, spirit, inanimate object, or whatever else?


Jesus will come back in all his glory! both spiritually and physicially.....

[weirdo79]

SSW a valiant attempt but making your own definitions for well defined words is a fallacy. The english language is full of things that dont match "the rules of english" so your reasoning doesnt cut it at all. You can't apply any prefix or suffix to any word and expect it proves your point(because you've invented a new one...) ;).

Many Potent would not be a word......and you totally missed the issue completely avoidance is not an answer....Try to stick to definitions of words that can actually communicate your idea as more than nonsense :). Whats with the obsession with prefix's and suffix's lately lol. It's an irony you keep claiming none of us "understand" well of course not if your using words that dont make any sense nor have any basis in reality.....(please save that reality is an illusion nonsense for those that swallow it) ;) .

But I do enjoy your posts :).

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

wooaah the fixes dont matter, fuck the sufuxes and prefuxs. that hasnt anything to do with it lol and i dont give two shits about what makes english proper or not, so long as an idea is conveyed to another mind, fuck english and it's lousy rules and deffinitions.


my main point was missed because you are stuck on silly physical superstitions :D

inglish duznt do ewe crap if teh tip is understanded.

lol aanyways, the point is still that omnipotentcy isnt disproven by a paradox, it is omnipotent, paradoxical unto itself, it is all.

[weirdo79]

once again double speak , and you cannot convey an idea without proper communication sorry , no matter how many times you insist this is it simply isnt. Once again you avoid confronting your own mistakes and try to blame someone else as not being able to understand....a sad cop out. Using a standard grade 11 english lesson (the scrambled sentence still easily read...yes everyone knows that Cambridge study.......) is still using recognized words just as you usually do in everyday life such as "pass me the salt"....it doesnt bolster your view at all. In fact it lessens your point.

the irony of saying "physical superstitions" alone is enough to dismiss the entire idea.....like those pesky things like Electricity , Gravity, any theory of physics....Sorry man your starting to sound more and more like someone desparetly trying to sound existentialist but somehow you just come off nonsensical. (there's a fine line between the two) . Omnipotence is disproved by its meaning....(try wikipedia.....). It's like saying "a red blue"......it just can't be by its very definition. I didnt miss any point there was none just you backpedalling faster than a fundie confronted with the atrocities of his beliefs. And , trying to shift the blame....

Just remember one thing , Philosphy means nothing , its pondering not assuredness....it's "why is this and why not that" not "this is how it is!"

All said and done I still enjoy your posts ;). No matter how much you defeat your own arguements in your own posts :).

p.s. I notice the suffixes and prefixes make a big difference (in your eyes) when your trying to prove a point then suddenly they mean nothing.....Wow! Says volumes my friend volumes....

[magnusalex]

I've heard different theories.

The poll is coming.

Whoops, wrong button.


Okay, forget it. Do you think he'll return as a person, other lifeform, spirit, inanimate object, or whatever else?
check out a group in yahoo called newageofaquarius, he is soon to be on the public scene, a physical man on earth my friend. a pot smoker!!!!!

[magnusalex]

a parable about a man who spread parables in attempt to save humanity; the moral of the parable?
pleave everyone the fuck alone, and do whatever the fuck it is you want to do, and just embrace the cause-and-effect of your actions.



jesus didnt write the bible, thats the parable, so his second coming is part two, from where he left off. a pot smoker too!!!!!!!!!!

[magnusalex]

I suppose he could have already come back a few times, as muhammad, or ba'ha'ula, or..... *holds in laughter* joseph smith...


which buddha, the old one or the new age one!?

[magnusalex]

Why even waste your time debating silly superstitions? Life will always be meaningless unless you live the present moment to its fullest extent. There is no God, no Jesus, no nothing, only humanity. Once we all accept this we will be able to move beyond our petty squables and realize that we have the potential to be great, to usher in a new age of peace and prosperity for the entire world.

I am firm in my belief that religion (especially the big three monotheistic ones) has hindered and prevented us from achieving our potential.

if their is only humanity what is the rest fo the universe.
Govts twist reliigon to control and so did churches.

[magnusalex]

i agree that religion has destroyed humanity more than it has bennifited us, but i just cant accept that the whole of reality is mindless.

or that the mind is a physical entity, or collective of physical entities...


however, for you, as an athiest, i can accept the mind being a collective of all entities in existance. in this manner, the universe would be created from the inside out, rather than the spiritualistic outside in fassion i see.

the stealing of the amercias was not down to reliigon.
the stealing of lands was not down to religions.
the first and second world wars were not down to religion.
the 2 atomic bombs in japan were not due to religions.
vietnam war was not due to religion.
genghis khan was not religious, hitler, or stalin, or po pot, or mugabe, bonaparte, the roman empire, saddam hussein, mussolini, all the european monarchs who stole lands were not religious.
Violent offenders are not religious, rapists, murderers, but monarchs and govts, and deluded people twist reliigon to suit their own invading or terrorist wishes.
religions did not shape humanity, humanity shapad humanity. weve never known a time without wars, even when in the hunter gatherer stages we were murdering our ancestors.
religious people who stick to the basics and guidelines of their religion are pillars of society, it is non religious people who use and abuse people, religions or peoples vulnerability.
society is weak and without decent religious people it would be more weak.

[magnusalex]

I believe jesus will return someday.
That day will be a glorious day for all.


jesus is alive as a physical man on earth, he is beginning his writing for you. check out his group at yahoo under group name of newageofaquarius

his name is magnus, fits in with agnus doesnt it.

AGNUS DEI= magnus deity MTY arise from mighty in same order and fashion

[Sir Les]

the stealing of the amercias was not down to reliigon.
the stealing of lands was not down to religions.
the first and second world wars were not down to religion.
the 2 atomic bombs in japan were not due to religions.
vietnam war was not due to religion.
genghis khan was not religious, hitler, or stalin, or po pot, or mugabe, bonaparte, the roman empire, saddam hussein, mussolini, all the european monarchs who stole lands were not religious.
Violent offenders are not religious, rapists, murderers, but monarchs and govts, and deluded people twist reliigon to suit their own invading or terrorist wishes.
religions did not shape humanity, humanity shapad humanity. weve never known a time without wars, even when in the hunter gatherer stages we were murdering our ancestors.
religious people who stick to the basics and guidelines of their religion are pillars of society, it is non religious people who use and abuse people, religions or peoples vulnerability.
society is weak and without decent religious people it would be more weak.


Amen ! :thumbsup:
I'm glad some people on this forum have a level head! :rasta:

[beachguy in thongs]

jesus is alive as a physical man on earth, he is beginning his writing for you. check out his group at yahoo under group name of newageofaquarius

his name is magnus, fits in with agnus doesnt it.

AGNUS DEI= magnus deity MTY arise from mighty in same order and fashion

They better make it into a TV movie, if they don't, I'm blaming Yahoo, because they own the rights to Magnus' words.

20 minutes of thought into this thread, magnusalex, I'm impressed! :stoned:

[F L E S H]

I think people misunderstand atheism. Here's an explanation for what I believe, how I believe it, and why (obviously, not my own words):

"Really religious difficulties, for example, I don't know from experience. It has escaped me altogether in what way I was supposed to be "sinful". Likewise, I lack any reliable criterion for recognizing the bit of conscience: according to what one hears about it, the bite of conscience does not seem respectable to me.

[...]

"God," "immortality of the soul," "redemption," "beyond" -- without exception, concepts to which I never devoted any attention, or time; not even as a child. Perhaps I have never been childlike enough for them?

"I do not mean I know atheim as a result; even less as an event: it is a matter of course with me, from instinct. I am too inquisitive, too questiopnable, too exuberant to stand for any gross answer. God is a gross answer, an indelicacy against us thinkers -- at bottom merely a gross prohibition for us: you shall not think!"

-Nietzsche, Ecce Homo, "Why I am so clever" (yup, that's the title of the chapter :D )

[Euphoric]

nobody is going to listen to u with that avatar FLESH :(

[F L E S H]

the stealing of the amercias was not down to reliigon.
the stealing of lands was not down to religions.
the first and second world wars were not down to religion.
the 2 atomic bombs in japan were not due to religions.
vietnam war was not due to religion.
genghis khan was not religious, hitler, or stalin, or po pot, or mugabe, bonaparte, the roman empire, saddam hussein, mussolini, all the european monarchs who stole lands were not religious.
Violent offenders are not religious, rapists, murderers, but monarchs and govts, and deluded people twist reliigon to suit their own invading or terrorist wishes.
religions did not shape humanity, humanity shapad humanity. weve never known a time without wars, even when in the hunter gatherer stages we were murdering our ancestors.
religious people who stick to the basics and guidelines of their religion are pillars of society, it is non religious people who use and abuse people, religions or peoples vulnerability.
society is weak and without decent religious people it would be more weak.
You don't understand my point: religion itself, independent of the people who practice it, is subversive.

The crusades were religious, the witch hunt was religious, Islamic terrorrism is religious, Jewish-Palestinian conflict is religious..

Wait a minute, did you say Hitler was not religiously motivated???? Are you from another planet? The core of Christian anti-semitism is that Christians believe Jews killed Jesus... If that's not religious, I don't know what is.

All the European monarchs? Ok, now I'm convinced you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The very concept of monarchy is intimately tied with religion. The Queen of England is still the head of the Church of England, in case you didn't know. All monarchs in Europe, some still to this day, represent God's will on Earth. That is at the core of European monarchy. Look it up.

You end by talking about hunters and gatherers fighting.... Sure they fought, and it probably wasn't in the name of religion. Now we have religion, and we're still fighting, just as hard, and probably even more cruelly. Is that progress to you? Even more senseless fighting on a huge scale, and that's how you defend religion?

YOU REPRESENT WHAT'S WRONG WITH RELIGION. You don't even think, you make no sense whatsoever, you don't use your supposedly God-given gift of REASON.

"Not their love of men but the impotence of their love of men keeps the Christians of today from--burning us."

"It was subtle of God to learn Greek when he wished to become an author--and not learn it better."

"The devil has the broadest perspectives for God; therefore he keeps so far away from God--the devil being the most ancient friend of wisdom."

"Jesus said to his Jews: 'The law was for servants--love God as I love him, as his son! What are morals to us sons of God!'"

"Christianity gave Eros poison to drink: he did not die of it but degenrated--into a vice."

[F L E S H]

nobody is going to listen to u with that avatar FLESH :(
LOL, it was supposed to be a temporary fix, but who cares, MacG rocks!

[beachguy in thongs]

That's a very German view. A neo-nazi view of God. I'd tell Fritz Nietzsche (or whatever his first name was) that his Mother was a gross question for his answer and the only way he can refute me is the same way that someone of Faith can refute him.

I don't know the guy. He'd have to prove to me that there is no God. Until then, I'll bury my head in memories.

[F L E S H]

That's a very German view. A neo-nazi view of God. I'd tell Fritz Nietzsche (or whatever his first name was) that his Mother was a gross question for his answer and the only way he can refute me is the same way that someone of Faith can refute him.

I don't know the guy. He'd have to prove to me that there is no God. Until then, I'll bury my head in memories.
Ummm... it can't be neo-nazi since he was around way before the nazis, and everything you heard about Nietzsche being loved by Nazis is false, he nothing but disdain for anti-semites.

And here we go again with the 'proof.' There is nothing to prove, because there is nothing there. How can you prove the existence of nothing when we already have such a hard time proving the existence of something?

Nothing out there = nothing to prove.

And his first name is Friederich.

[beachguy in thongs]

nobody is going to listen to u with that avatar FLESH :(
I can't listen with all these "laugh-waves" flying through my brain-circuitry. :stoned:

I never used to watch MacGyver. After a few weeks of knowing who Flesh's avatar is, but not being able to put a finger on the name, I was flipping through the channels and saw him with that exact same shirt on sitting at a desk talking to a girl standing at the door while shuffling through paperwork with his hair set the exact same way as Flesh's avatar. I'm out of breath.

[beachguy in thongs]

And his first name is Fritz.

I knew I had a good memory, thanks.

I've never heard of Franz Joseph Neiderschmonger Schmidt until I read his name off of these "stoner" boards. These forums can prompt investigations into anything, but I haven't bothered researching Friederich.

Don't you think God reads these forums? I'm sure He loves reading your posts.
:stoned:

That proof thing is supposedly our job.

[F L E S H]

I knew I had a good memory, thanks.

I've never heard of Franz Joseph Neiderschmonger Schmidt until I read his name off of these "stoner" boards. These forums can prompt investigations into anything, but I haven't bothered researching Friederich.

Don't you think God reads these forums? I'm sure He loves reading your posts.
:stoned:

That proof thing is supposedly our job.
See, I would think God had more important things to do... Like, whateverrrr.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

once again double speak , and you cannot convey an idea without proper communication sorry , no matter how many times you insist this is it simply isnt. Once again you avoid confronting your own mistakes and try to blame someone else as not being able to understand....a sad cop out. Using a standard grade 11 english lesson (the scrambled sentence still easily read...yes everyone knows that Cambridge study.......) is still using recognized words just as you usually do in everyday life such as "pass me the salt"....it doesnt bolster your view at all. In fact it lessens your point.

the irony of saying "physical superstitions" alone is enough to dismiss the entire idea.....like those pesky things like Electricity , Gravity, any theory of physics....Sorry man your starting to sound more and more like someone desparetly trying to sound existentialist but somehow you just come off nonsensical. (there's a fine line between the two) . Omnipotence is disproved by its meaning....(try wikipedia.....). It's like saying "a red blue"......it just can't be by its very definition. I didnt miss any point there was none just you backpedalling faster than a fundie confronted with the atrocities of his beliefs. And , trying to shift the blame....

Just remember one thing , Philosphy means nothing , its pondering not assuredness....it's "why is this and why not that" not "this is how it is!"

All said and done I still enjoy your posts ;). No matter how much you defeat your own arguements in your own posts :).

p.s. I notice the suffixes and prefixes make a big difference (in your eyes) when your trying to prove a point then suddenly they mean nothing.....Wow! Says volumes my friend volumes....oy... what double speak?!?!? i fail to see what you fail to understand!

sad cop out? where? please, if you wish to point out my errs, you cannot simply say, you must show me what i said wrong, so that i may re word it in a fassion that you can understand and accept, untill then, stop picking apart everything i say with useless english rules.

just because you insert mental barriors that make it impossible for YOU to understand outside of the box thinking doesnt mean everyone else has to condition themsleves to YOUR level of misunderstanding.

i meant to say physical superstitions FOR the irony, it was a joke maybe i should start a color-key for my posting... put serious tidbits in black, jokes in blue, anger in red, etc... :rolleyes:

i dont recall shifting any blame :( it feels to me like you're just inserting random attacks on my thoughts! im SURE it isnt so, but please, prove to me that my assumptions are unfounded.

i still fail to see why omnipotency is impossible unto itself; my main arguement here is a closed mind does not disprove the existance of an open mind.

[weirdo79]

Sorry man if your offended its not meant that way , but seriously IF you cannot communicate clearly, your idea will never be represented truthfully. Is that simple enough for you. And , the very fact you see no doublespeak speaks true volumes as well. Failing to see exactly where your errors lie even though its clearly pointed out is just you refusing to see the forest of the trees.

You claiming that its all "OUR" fault when we dont understand you is the cop out my friend. It's that simple. If you cant see the glaring mistakes you constantly make I cannot make it any simpler for you to understand. Perhaps if you showed your posts to your english teacher he could point out where you slipped up more clearly than I could....

For instance WE dont understand you because of "OUR" mental barriers....come on....those "mental barriers" are there so we dont believe people who say things like "theres an invisible bridge over this gorge you just have to trust its there".....

Also there not "random attacks" its pointing out the fallacy of your reasoning (calling any of it logic is misrepresentative of logic as well , check out the definition of logic). Please no arguements about "what is a dictionary but a book of words" claptrap. ;).

Sorry I didnt detect your "irony" as physical superstitions are often blamed by you for people not "understanding" your "truth", so in essence that would not be irony (you saying that at all) just as Alanis Morrisette's song "Ironic" (the only thing ironic about that song is its about "irony" but has no irony in it.....)

Omnipotence is easily defined you either can't or you can, if you can't do both your not omnipotent since their both mutually exclusive omnipotence is impossible (like a red blue....) don't know how to make it any simpler than that.

Your main arguement has never been stated until now, see how easy it is to state your point in plain english instead of claiming "your truth is absolute".....and using attempted existentalist arguements to support such. If you cannot understand all this than simply there is no hope for you. I approach anything logical with an open mind , but believing in things with zero evidence is the realm of fantasy. Not an "open mind".


P.s (flesh love your avatar dont ever change it!!! ahhh now all we need is some a-team avatars!)

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

"pointing out" my fallacies would be something like...


quoting the fallacious text, bolding the errors, and then submitting a formal complaint and report on what i said wrong, how else am i supposed to see something i never payed attention to in school? (lol yeah, social studies was a good chance to catch up on my much needed rest)


omnipotency is not impossible, it only takes an open mind to accept that it CAN BE BOTH, that is WHAT omnipotency is, a paradox (of paradoxes). omnipotency is like thought, are you ABLE to THINK of yourself making a boulder impossible for you to lift?

are you then immediately able to think you CAN lift it?

omnipotency works on the same manner as thought, your thoughts are mentally omnipotent. whereas omnipotency is a physical form of thinking, where your thoughts are or become physical entities.

[weirdo79]

Self defining omnipotence doesnt change the word definition sorry man.

And , im sorry I'm not going to take the time to bold and quote everything just for you, you dont do it for others why would I do it for you or anyone else. If you can't see the glaring mistakes your making your not hurting me(as im pretty sure anyone else who's not dogmatic about their "truth" can see) , only your message(as I've clearly pointed out the fallacies). Formal complaint and report LOL , no one has ever done that on this site ever man.....get a grip. Your trying to defeat the arguement with specious reasoning sorry man keep trying.

[weirdo79]

In the earlier post I meant "forest FOR the trees" (stoned typing fast not a good combo)

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

im sorry, what? you seem to be trying to say something along the lines of "im right, you're wrong".

then you're giving me some pretty lame and illogical reasons as to why i am speaking falsely.

is omnipotency not a philosophical idea? if it is not, then i apolagize, you're right, it is, indeed, just a silly play on words without any purpose, just to show that the idea of omnipotency can be impossible.


if it is a philosophical idea, then you cannot disprove it with a play on words, it is a philosophical idea, of being all powerful without limits beyond your own controll.

besides, it is not a physical being who uses omnipotency; they cannot create a themselves so heavy that themself cannot lift, you might say the being to become omnipotent IS the omnipotency itself; god.

so therefore, YES, GOD could create a boulder that is so heavy that a BODY THAT GOD CREATED could not lift it, but god could create another body which COULD lift it, or in fact recreate a body, without visible signs of tampering, to then lift the boulder.

at which point, god could decide to tamper with the boulder and add mass to it, without visible signs of tampering.


why is omnipotency impossible because another, unrelated, play on words is impossible?

omnipotency could make a red blue, and humans could be so unevolved that we see purple instead.

thinking inside the box does not disprove the existance of anything that is outside the box.

[weirdo79]

Philosphy is not reality my friend, even a philospher will admit that. Claiming for sure anything in a philosophical sense (ie: claiming it CAN be) is just as wrong as claiming it isnt. But im talking about the definition of the actual word, It's either can or cannot as I've stated earlier.

Your totally missing the point as well,its a simple question (no specious reasoning please) Either god CAN or CANNOT make a boulder so heavy he cannot lift it. Either way he either CAN or CANNOT lift it, either way once again theres only two choices not a myriad of classifications of different actions which would allow it. Omnipotence is impossible as its a human conception of something that is mutually exclusive how about this one then since you can't understand the red blue analogy(or are trying your damndest to get around it) 1 is not 2 no matter how many times you examine 1 it will never be 2 (unless you ADD another 1 and then its not 1 anymore......)

P.s. (im not claiming your close minded, your the one claiming any of us that dont ascribe to your learning are close minded and that your truth is the absolute, sorry man trying to turn it round and pin "your right im wrong" on me as well , is specious).

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

when a philosopher understands the core of truth, they become mroe than just a philosopher, and see how philosophy IS truth, that it is the basis of creation itself.

[weirdo79]

You did it again....changing the rules to suit your arguement man....sorry it was entertaining for a while but your constant double standard is weak and not one of your points has had any support. Then you accuse anyone of not knowing what you do as being ignorant of the truth....come on get over your own ego.....I think im starting to agree with the individual who described you as a pseudo intellectual your redefining anything that doesnt fit your point (but only at that time) then turning it around the minute it doesnt suit your point. May I suggest joining the debate team.....You might learn something. It's called consistency

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

you present me with nothing to defend myself against :S what double standard?


in order for me to be consistant, you'll have to cram the universe into a box.


then we may debate freely.



you will see how no two things are not consistant as well. i cannot prove it in debate, only you can prove it in silence and lonliness-emptyness.

[weirdo79]

Dude now your trying nonsensical diatribe to support a philosophical position.....the universe doesnt need to be crammed anywhere all the terms your changing are already well defined.....you can only prove it in silence and loneliness and emptiness that doesnt even make sense.....Pick up just one book on Philosphy or debate please....Just one....

[Sir Les]

You don't understand my point: religion itself, independent of the people who practice it, is subversive.

The crusades were religious, the witch hunt was religious, Islamic terrorrism is religious, Jewish-Palestinian conflict is religious..

Wait a minute, did you say Hitler was not religiously motivated???? Are you from another planet? The core of Christian anti-semitism is that Christians believe Jews killed Jesus... If that's not religious, I don't know what is.

All the European monarchs? Ok, now I'm convinced you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The very concept of monarchy is intimately tied with religion. The Queen of England is still the head of the Church of England, in case you didn't know. All monarchs in Europe, some still to this day, represent God's will on Earth. That is at the core of European monarchy. Look it up.

You end by talking about hunters and gatherers fighting.... Sure they fought, and it probably wasn't in the name of religion. Now we have religion, and we're still fighting, just as hard, and probably even more cruelly. Is that progress to you? Even more senseless fighting on a huge scale, and that's how you defend religion?

YOU REPRESENT WHAT'S WRONG WITH RELIGION. You don't even think, you make no sense whatsoever, you don't use your supposedly God-given gift of REASON.

"Not their love of men but the impotence of their love of men keeps the Christians of today from--burning us."

"It was subtle of God to learn Greek when he wished to become an author--and not learn it better."

"The devil has the broadest perspectives for God; therefore he keeps so far away from God--the devil being the most ancient friend of wisdom."

"Jesus said to his Jews: 'The law was for servants--love God as I love him, as his son! What are morals to us sons of God!'"

"Christianity gave Eros poison to drink: he did not die of it but degenrated--into a vice."



Sons of God know better!
God gave humans a set of codes to follow!
10 commandments, and instructions from Genesis to "tend and keep the garden!"

"Thow shall Not Murder/kill"
So any religion based on the old/new testements, has to reflect this law!
And they don't...so the religion is in error, or falsely referenced, and implimented!
The wars you lable as "religious" are infact errors!
Bad judgments, misconscrewed directions against the principle rules of the religion they claim they have adopted!

[beachguy in thongs]

God is a game. If you believe in Him, you can play. If you don't, then stop playing.

There is nothing to debate.

The Bible is a set of instructions to the game. They will vary.

[weirdo79]

Id love to stop playing , but people keep trying to change laws that affect everyone based on "the game"(and the so called instructions) despite their contradictory nature....(and the fact that not everyone believes the same thing ;) ).

There's always something to debate when someone makes a positive assertion with nary a shred of evidence.....

(current drug laws are a prime example that even the simplest person on this site should be able to understand in an analogy for the above)

[F L E S H]

Sons of God know better!
God gave humans a set of codes to follow!
10 commandments, and instructions from Genesis to "tend and keep the garden!"

"Thow shall Not Murder/kill"
So any religion based on the old/new testements, has to reflect this law!
And they don't...so the religion is in error, or falsely referenced, and implimented!
The wars you lable as "religious" are infact errors!
Bad judgments, misconscrewed directions against the principle rules of the religion they claim they have adopted!
:clap: :clap: :clap:

:stoned: :stoned: :stoned: :rasta: :rasta: :rasta: :stoned: :stoned: :stoned: :rasta: :rasta: :rasta:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i'd just like to know what weirdo's problem is :(

closed mindedness backed by inside-the-box logic in a fairly insulting manner :(

[beachguy in thongs]

Id love to stop playing , but people keep trying to change laws that affect everyone based on "the game"(and the so called instructions) despite their contradictory nature....(and the fact that not everyone believes the same thing ;) ).

There's always something to debate when someone makes a positive assertion with nary a shred of evidence.....

(current drug laws are a prime example that even the simplest person on this site should be able to understand in an analogy for the above)
Who's made a positive assertion? If you think someone is coming to save Mankind, raise your hand. If not, debate other's beliefs, because I have none.

[weirdo79]

I was speaking in general sorry Thong, wasnt directed directly at you I should have specified, my apologies.

And SSW I do like you , but unfortunately you just keep using buzzwords and your own definitions of clearly already defined words (or just making up your own) then claim we dont understand because were close minded? I'm sorry thats literally insane man.....It's not hostile its disgust that you keep saying "your truth" and that were basically too stupid to accept your view (which once again doesnt have a shred of evidence....). What did you expect people to agree with you automatically or not to poke holes in your illogical fallacies? I do it to my best friends with any situation (science does that to a person , you know critical thinking and such). The fact that you can't defend your particular beliefs and then change them and can't keep consistent only says to me you've got a lot to learn about the very subjects your claiming to know. (or that we dont know...). I'm sure your an incredibly interesting person , but you have to realize that quite literally to any other human being most of your points have no basis other than "you say so , so its so!" then you claim were making it out as an attack when we call you on it....come on.....with sicence is an illusion and garbage like that....no philospher does that. Read Plato and Socrates. Or even if you just want to learn how to communicate properly look at this forum http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/index.php?
, you've gotta understand that WE can't understand what your saying unless you say it in a way ANY other human can understand. You can keep playing the victim all you wish though , im just calling you on your B.S. man thats all. Doesnt mean I wouldnt smoke a J with ya and discuss in person etc. I just seriously think your probably (stress probably) very young and havent learned the basics of philosphy (intro philosphy in university would be a must) or at least a rudimentary knowledge. It's not simply "I think therefore I am"......You can't apply rules to others and not follow them yourself and think people wont call you on it. They will. (others have at this site as well.....quite a few eloquent ones as well, although I will admit more insulting then my own).

There is some condescension I'll fully admit it, If you can't grasp the inherent fallacies in your own writing how could I expect myself to be all "nice and polite" the whole time when you basically retort that im the stupid one.....(because I just dont understand! cuz im thinking "inside the box".....drop the buzzwords and be plain....)

P.s. Logic is, there's no "inside the box" "outside the box" logic this is a classic example of you inventing a term which is meaningless...like polypotent.....Look up Empiricism. As to my problem? I enjoy a lively debate and don't like nonsensical ravings ;) claimed as truth. Dont think I think less of you as a human being though. I just feel sad you can't get your point across without making up things.....I'de love a proper debate with you.

Honestly if it makes you feel better you brought me out of my lurking (plus I missed sparring with Psycho) You were calling too many people stupid who were making excellent points.....

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

OF COURSE i cant defend my thoughts, views, and ideas from people like you! i cant cram the universe into your box!


like i said before, this is completely outside of the box thinking, and automatically defys all written laws and observations of thereof, it cancels out what you think you know about gravity, it destroys the laws behind english, and you can forget about political correctnes. all of these are inside the box thinking and are not permitted in the spiritual realm! you can debate and debase the spiritual all you want, backing it up with physical illusions, but no matter how hard you try to disprove the possibility of omnipotency by using a physical analogy, you just simply cant.


and i'd debate more inside the box with you, if i could be contained within the box...

given that i wasnt taught all your fancy terms and regulations for english, i dont see how it wil lever happen, and untill your linguistic laws make sence to me, i just cant help but see you as a raving retarded scient.


it's like you're trying to comprehend the incomprehensable by reducing or limiting the allowable words and sentences usable to discribe and explain it.

[weirdo79]

Lol ssw you didnt go to that site did you , Seriously if you could make yourself clear on that board I would buy it (what your selling "this is a metaphor I know your not selling anything") as they dont tolerate those that arent clear and seem to have the time to do so :). I"ve tried to tell you what I need and you just keep blaming my own logic (ie: critical thinking) for my inability to understand. Anything that needs to drop critical thinking to understand is inherently flawed.

And you still refuse to even read what im writing or try to understand it yourself what a beautiful twist. You have to make yourself understandable by others of your race to get a concept across (is this simple enough , it really doesnt get any simpler.....its why we can't more than rudimentarily communicate with animals....many have languages my friend)......

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

ok, no i didnt go to that site, in fact, i some how missed that :S im joining now.

im trying to understand what you're writing, if it appears i am not reading it, that is because i fail to comprehend your limitations, or "critical thinking".

[weirdo79]

Ok give yourself two days of trying to explain your "movement" over there and maybe you'll finally understand......dont post 10 mins later claiming "ive read it I still dont understand"......theres ALOT there.....

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

hahaha fuck it, i cant post without paying a monthly fee, fuck that forum, it is beyond my movement's reach: it requires payment.


lol sorry, looks like you're gonna have to spell it out for me if you ever wish for me to grasp whatever it is i fail to grasp that you seem to think i need :D

[magnusalex]

He is suppose to come back the way he left.
And at a time when the world is in termoil, and chaos!
There will be earthquakes, and odd weather....plague and pestilance...these things only show the coming of our Lord....so we have time yet to make good our gardens!
Acts 3:21
Rev 17:17

wot of the asian tsunami, the iranian quake, the afghanistan one, new orleans, quake in italy, the tremors in manchester, bird flu, h.i.v., ecoli, s.t.d. epidemics, signs are appearing

magnus

[F L E S H]

wot of the asian tsunami, the iranian quake, the afghanistan one, new orleans, quake in italy, the tremors in manchester, bird flu, h.i.v., ecoli, s.t.d. epidemics, signs are appearing

magnus
Idiot, those aren't signs, death disease pestilence natural disasters have ALWAYS been part and parcel of life on this great planet of ours. For fuck's sake stop being so childish!

[beachguy in thongs]

First time in, like, forever, this year was to name a hurricane so deep into the Greek alphabet, in fact, into the Greek alphabet at all.

[F L E S H]

First time in, like, forever, this year was to name a hurricane so deep into the Greek alphabet, in fact, into the Greek alphabet at all.
you ever hear of global warming, climate change, etc... besides, when you forever, you actually mean since it's been recorded... For how long has it been recorded? 50 years, 60, 70 max? When you think that our planet is 4,500,000,000 years old, 70 years doesn't mean jack shit.

[beachguy in thongs]

No crap, but it was different, they predicted it last year. We jumped from 15 hurricanes to 30 in one year. Next year, if there is 45 hurricanes, and then the year after 60, people would say, "This is the end"". I fucken added one little fact and flesh jumps all over me for it, because of global warming. What is global warming? Never heard of it.

I went to the college of F.U. and got a degree in Stick it up your ass.

[F L E S H]

No crap, but it was different, they predicted it last year. We jumped from 15 hurricanes to 30 in one year. Next year, if there is 45 hurricanes, and then the year after 60, people would say, "This is the end"". I fucken added one little fact and flesh jumps all over me for it, because of global warming. What is global warming? Never heard of it.

I went to the college of F.U. and got a degree in Stick it up your ass.
Ah, now I see what you were talking about in that thread... :o

Well, just to clear things up, I didn't jump all over you, I just pointed out that the life-span of our planet is reaaaaaally long, and one freak year doesn't mean it's a sign of the end of times...

[Sir Les]

Idiot, those aren't signs, death disease pestilence natural disasters have ALWAYS been part and parcel of life on this great planet of ours. For fuck's sake stop being so childish!

You have to agree, because Like I said before (and you agreed) religion has been misused, twisted, changed to suite the moment......thus we have the signs!
And until we get it right, we will always have the signs!....for Christ is with us always!!!
So his influence is showing!

I think you should stop swaring, it really doesn't make for a good conversation!
You come off as upset, And I don't want you upset!
You should also stop calling people names...it is rude!
We are all in this reality together!
The truth is God exists, because Evil Exists!
By way of Opposites we can solve for X!
And that is my point! :thumbsup: :rasta:

[F L E S H]

You have to agree, because Like I said before (and you agreed) religion has been misused, twisted, changed to suite the moment......thus we have the signs!
And until we get it right, we will always have the signs!....for Christ is with us always!!!
So his influence is showing!

I think you should stop swaring, it really doesn't make for a good conversation!
You come off as upset, And I don't want you upset!
You should also stop calling people names...it is rude!
We are all in this reality together!
The truth is God exists, because Evil Exists!
By way of Opposites we can solve for X!
And that is my point! :thumbsup: :rasta:
That's an example of the childishness I see behind religious thought. That's your proof? You should get out more often and see that life is a tapestry of emotions and experiences. Who are you to decide what's evil and not? Even if there is something called Evil, what does that mean about God? Nothing. Grow up and read something before arguing like a child.

[Sir Les]

That's an example of the childishness I see behind religious thought. That's your proof? You should get out more often and see that life is a tapestry of emotions and experiences. Who are you to decide what's evil and not? Even if there is something called Evil, what does that mean about God? Nothing. Grow up and read something before arguing like a child.

Again you fly off the handle!
It is not me that has decided anything pretaining to Evil or Good...it was already written down for me to find!
And throughout my life I have witnessed it face on!
I know what is Evil...and you can too, if you would only read the bible, to find some of the truth in it to follow through on!

The more we sin, the more pestilence and plague there will be!
This is written down as a truth!= prophecies
Thus I can draw another line in the sand to prove that sin brings death and sickness, along with bad weather, and desasters! :thumbsup:

Evil is everything God isn't! :thumbsup:

In God's eye we are all children! :rasta:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i am sorry, les, but you know what is evil,... for YOU.


everyone is different, good and evil are perceptions, and therefore are subject to "colorblindness".

i see no good and i see no evil, i am perceptionally colorblind.

what appears to be evil on the outside is prejudicy on your part, judging an event before you know anything about it.

and when you get right down to it, god has done more "evil things" than the devil ever will.

god, however, repented by granting us all free will. and god regrets it methinks. given how obsessed humans are with the perceptions of good and evil, trying to make them into real things, when they are not, and never will be.


good and evil are in the eyes of the beholders.

[Sir Les]

i am sorry, les, but you know what is evil,... for YOU.


everyone is different, good and evil are perceptions, and therefore are subject to "colorblindness".

i see no good and i see no evil, i am perceptionally colorblind.

what appears to be evil on the outside is prejudicy on your part, judging an event before you know anything about it.

and when you get right down to it, god has done more "evil things" than the devil ever will.

god, however, repented by granting us all free will. and god regrets it methinks. given how obsessed humans are with the perceptions of good and evil, trying to make them into real things, when they are not, and never will be.


good and evil are in the eyes of the beholders.

Thus I have beheld Evil, and thus it is in this reality!
I'm in this state, and time line for a reason.
I can see all colours of the rainbow...my eyes are wide open!
I cannot lie to myself like some poeple!
Good and Evil are alive and well in this reality I'm in!
For me God exists, and has laid down the rules for me...and anyone else who care to listen to the colours they can't see!
You claim to have a handycap that blinds you...thus if enough people tell you to watch out for the black hole in the bridge...you should take heed, and correct your vision!

[ADaisyChain]

Thus I have beheld Evil, and thus it is in this reality!
I'm in this state, and time line for a reason.
I can see all colours of the rainbow...my eyes are wide open!
I cannot lie to myself like some poeple!
Good and Evil are alive and well in this reality I'm in!
For me God exists, and has laid down the rules for me...and anyone else who care to listen to the colours they can't see!
You claim to have a handycap that blinds you...thus if enough people tell you to watch out for the black hole in the bridge...you should take heed, and correct your vision!


I'm vomitting.

Everywhere.

Quit jibberjabbing your nonsense and listen hard to the language that leaves your fingertips. You're making God look stupid.

[Sir Les]

I'm vomitting.

Everywhere.

Quit jibberjabbing your nonsense and listen hard to the language that leaves your fingertips. You're making God look stupid.

Why do you say that?
Jibberjabbering?
I'm speaking for myself now!
I have witnessed Evil...so by means of opposites, I can conclude using simple algibra to solve for x.= God...and sometimes he has to come down to a level of stupidity to reach others, and set them on the right pathway!

That's me....in my reality

Now I thought this was a "spiritual forum"...looks like I'm mistaken.

[F L E S H]

Why do you say that?
Jibberjabbering?
I'm speaking for myself now!
I have witnessed Evil...so by means of opposites, I can conclude using simple algibra to solve for x.= God...and sometimes he has to come down to a level of stupidity to reach others, and set them on the right pathway!

That's me....in my reality

Now I thought this was a "spiritual forum"...looks like I'm mistaken.
You're mistaken much more than you realize.

[Sir Les]

You're mistaken much more than you realize.

No, I'm stupid,or a idiot, uneducated, Haven't read enough Books, I'm wrong when everything isn't known yet...I'm Blind, or cannot see your points of confusion.....Now I'm mistaken....o.k.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Thus I have beheld Evil, and thus it is in this reality!
I'm in this state, and time line for a reason.
I can see all colours of the rainbow...my eyes are wide open!
I cannot lie to myself like some poeple!
Good and Evil are alive and well in this reality I'm in!
For me God exists, and has laid down the rules for me...and anyone else who care to listen to the colours they can't see!
You claim to have a handycap that blinds you...thus if enough people tell you to watch out for the black hole in the bridge...you should take heed, and correct your vision!
PRECICELY MY FRIEND


BECAUSE you percieve evil, IT DOES EXIST.


because too many people percieve evil, it does exist.


calm down :)

[Sir Les]

wot of the asian tsunami, the iranian quake, the afghanistan one, new orleans, quake in italy, the tremors in manchester, bird flu, h.i.v., ecoli, s.t.d. epidemics, signs are appearing

magnus

Yes Magnus, Not to worry, even the whales are beaching with other life never before seen,...Ozone decay, and Global warming due to pollution? or is something being smothered by Humans to deceive us?,... I got a sign myself in a one of a kind flower, that only God could have made possible for me to find!
So something is up with the whole world...not just the human factor.
I think it is the starting point of the End times...and they will label people like cattle, and give them numbers....isn't that already? social insurance numbers, and pin codes?...nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom....all this is the precurser to the second coming!
for it is not yet, but is going to come after the onslot of great evil....you just keep on reading the Bible, and find your own truth when you walk the walk of Christ, and do God's will and sow some seeds while your walking!
For it is those that "do" the will of the heavenly father, that will enter heaven! :rasta:

[420kidder]

If there ever was a person named Jesus who some people refer to Jesus, it was long ago, he's dead and not coming back. Back to planet earth people.

[beachguy in thongs]

I would like to think Jesus' return is a metaphor for each individual reaching the perfect-self. Using all of their brain to cure their own diseases.