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CrAzYpOtHeAd
12-03-2005, 01:08 AM
there was no begging? how were we created? most ppl say god. ok, SO WHERE DID GOD COME FROM? and if there is a god tht means they has ALWAYS been a god. but tht means they was NEVER a begginging. which everyone knows is impossible. god cud'nt of been around for ever. it makes NO sense. LIFE is impossible. how can thier be a god? if they;re is a "god" where the fuck did he fucking come from?!?!!
they HAS to be a beggining, SCIENCE PROVES NOTHING. they is NO answer, god came from no where, and u cant say somehting about the "big bang" cus where did the big bang come from? how did everything have a begging?
how do i kno im not dreaming? how do i kno ur all a figment of my imagination? BECAUSE U SAY SO? nothing is proven. SOMETHING must of come from somthing, and that "something" must of come from something. they CANT be something tht ws there ALWAYS. how cud there ALWAYS of been a god? ITS JUST NOT POSSIBLE
Mybe we're to inteligent for our own good.
some people dont belive anything without proof....there are some people out there who believe that the sun won't rise tomorrow because there is no proof that it is going to....
Its the same with God....th whole point is you must have faith to go to heaven....faith is simply believing in somthing which there is no prrooff of......
maybe God created the "time" in which we exist?...before "time" there was no past or present, there just "was".
Or there always was somthing....(i guess eternity is somthing we cant percieve).....maybe there always was anti-matter.... then it reversed into matter....which evolved into a multitude of different codes and strands of dna....which im guess was also created when the reverse happened....
how do you know your not a figment of my imagination....or maye im a figment of my own imagination?
Maybe we arn't intelligant enough for our own good....we still haven't done anything to realise we are killling our own species...and its not even to survive....its for fun most of the time..
your mixing god with science which doesnt work as science believes in the big band and god came from religion which was man made so obviously came after the big bang....maybe god created the big bang.....lol....?
Without proof everything and nothing is possible....
WOO WOO im really wrecked....lol.....took a long time to write this lol...
CrAzYpOtHeAd
12-03-2005, 01:48 AM
I'm wreacked too. i just sat on my toilet for about half an hor. made loads of noice when ahving a masturabtion sessions... :dance: :dance: :dance:
everythimg, nothibg, something, ]
It dos'nt matter. we cant change anything.
passit420
12-03-2005, 02:28 AM
the universe just happened to be created, no formed. it was formed by an exploding atom or something. it is so complicated though and no one really knows. this just inspired an idea for a book though. sweet.
WeBB15
12-03-2005, 02:42 AM
The most acceptable sceince theory is that the world was created by two free roaming huge asteroids or something of that idea, collided.... formed a huge planet, after trillions of years of orbiting the sun, earth got its sphere shape.... then there were was a tiny life atom, or molecule floating in space, then one just happend to land on earth and slowly began marine life, then evolution took part and now were here.
Thats why people say there could be life on other universes, but the chance of one of those life/genetic molecules landing on 1 single planet is 1:4500000000x3000.... shows how lucky we are to exist at all.
king kong bong
12-03-2005, 02:43 AM
theres a god. he created everything including aliens and aliens created us including JC.
lateralus
12-04-2005, 03:19 AM
Been there, done that.
bonsaiguy
12-04-2005, 03:39 AM
The most acceptable sceince theory is that the world was created by two free roaming huge asteroids or something of that idea, collided.... formed a huge planet, after trillions of years of orbiting the sun, earth got its sphere shape.... then there were was a tiny life atom, or molecule floating in space, then one just happend to land on earth and slowly began marine life, then evolution took part and now were here.
Thats why people say there could be life on other universes, but the chance of one of those life/genetic molecules landing on 1 single planet is 1:4500000000x3000.... shows how lucky we are to exist at all.
You should spend a bit more time watching the Discovery channel. The sun is "only" a few billion years old. The most commonly held theory is that the planets were formed from the debris and gasses left over from the formation of the sun. over time the gas and debris, trapped by the suns gravitational pull, cooled and coalesced in to the planets we see today. (which in turn developed their own gravitational pull because of their mass) It is entirely possible (and very probable in cosmic terms) that the seeds for life very likely fell to earth (I want to say about 2 or 3 billion years ago) from some comet or asteroid which are the leftovers of the death of stars and planets and solar systems. It is also very unlikely that this is the only planet in the galaxy where that has happened. Try and keep in mind also the vastness of it all. The galaxy itself, with it's trillion or so stars, is so massive that we will never be able to map the damned thing. Much less the other nearby galaxies. The sun is "only" 93 million miles or so from earth and it takes the light, moving at 300,000 kps, about 8 minutes to get here. By comparison, the moon is a paltry 250,000 miles from the earth and I believe it took the apollo teams about 6 or 8 days to make that trip to the moon.
It's really really incredibly remarkably stunning stupefyingly big out there.
But you're on the right track, sort of.
WeBB15
12-04-2005, 04:27 AM
The most commonly held theory is that the planets were formed from the debris and gasses left over from the formation of the sun. over time the gas and debris, trapped by the suns gravitational pull, cooled and coalesced in to the planets we see today.
Yes thats what I meant but i was vague, but all the planets werent just there, several of them were made later after the sun formation by two or more asteroids/debris colliding, which planets Im not sure of.
You are almost on track, sort of.
passit420
12-04-2005, 04:30 AM
i dont think humans are ready for the true answer. we are all some sick freaks idea of a game. we are legos. *suddenly dies from heart failure*
WeBB15
12-04-2005, 04:33 AM
One of the most complex legos Iver ever seen :p
passit420
12-04-2005, 04:34 AM
ya our creators are really advanced and good at design. wait a tick, i am dead.
SativaTrip
12-04-2005, 04:36 AM
:pimp: :pimp: Look up anything on m-theory and string theroy and realitivity, and quantim mechanics, all that shit says that we might be in the matrix, or on in nothing or in knowwhere and maybe, maybe , we may find out one day that we live an :dance:
every splitting multi-dimensional lives that we never see due to the things we are made of are really just vibrating strings of energy and even the densist things in the universe are really hollow and just vibrations (at different levels of vibrations) and whio the fuck knows.....there will be things in the near future that we consider maqic right now. We're in the FUTURE and we're not at the same time AND at the same TIME people still starve, so things are fucked BAM BAM BAM :dance: :dance: :rasta: :rasta: :rasta:
SativaTrip
12-04-2005, 04:40 AM
if you really want to flip out even though you might have to read 200 pages to get the WHOLE jist of ....
READ "Paralel Universes" by ? 2005 very new and it is written by a well known physicist and not a cosmologist although he includes there idea....mathamatical theories etc.
I'm a writer and i love reading abouthis shit. i hate math i mean,, just not this shit
It's nuts
MudFu
12-04-2005, 05:14 AM
Your asking questions that have been asked for so many years. These questions simply have no answer. To that I mean no answer that the human mind can comprehend.
i do say, throwing God in the mix makes the story come together...
the big bang could have also been a collision of an entire galaxy. and, before the devastating collision was a planet of people who didn't believe. "a failed experiment", if you will. if that were true, then our existence on this planet could be perceived as "another chance". afterall, history does tend to repeat itself.
BUT...
we have no proof of life existing before the big bang...or we're living proof. one or the other?
mrdevious
12-04-2005, 05:22 AM
well first of all, nobody can claim we know for sure that there CAN'T not be a beginning. every single thing in our world, including ourselves, has had a beginning and we therfor would not be able to comprehend otherwise.
anyway, quantum mechanics has some great theories on this. if you really understand the nature of reality it begins to make more sense. all mater is made of atoms, all atoms are made of subatomic particles, those particles are made of pure energy, and the line between that pure energy and utter non-existence is a very fine one. a big reason this all becomes so confusing is because our brains distinguish so clearly between existence and non existence, when in reality neither are one in it's own.
on an interesting note, quantum physics have actually been found as a more scientific means of explaning what the Buddha was trying to tell us.
sharpezor
12-04-2005, 05:56 AM
some of my advice on life:
FUCK IT
its all too big for our little minds to comprehend and they are questions that are impossible to answer. my faith in God is all i need.
SativaTrip
12-04-2005, 06:01 AM
exactly devious isn't that shit nuts
some of my advice on life:
FUCK IT
its all too big for our little minds to comprehend and they are questions that are impossible to answer. my faith in God is all i need.
i'm sure i'd understand any answer to the question of life.
sharpezor
12-04-2005, 06:14 AM
no...no you wouldnt.
no...no you wouldnt.
you claim that you wouldn't understand.
bonsaiguy
12-04-2005, 06:18 AM
I have to agree with Ganj...I can comprehend the questions and answers...translating them to english (or whatever language) is another matter altogether.
mrdevious
12-04-2005, 06:20 AM
I'll never understand this mentality of "I'll just have faith in god just because, for no reason and with no logic, I'm just believing it because I was told I should"
God is officially the greatest poet of all.
sharpezor
12-04-2005, 06:28 AM
I'll never understand this mentality of "I'll just have faith in god just because, for no reason and with no logic, I'm just believing it because I was told I should"
actually i have MANY other reasons.
and i really donâ??t think this should be up for debate, you or anyone else can't know if you would be able to comprehend the answers OR NOT, maybe the answers arnt really answers because our brain is used to receiving answers in a way that humans can understand. ex. verbally, touch, smell...
lateralus
12-04-2005, 06:31 AM
some of my advice on life:
FUCK IT
its all too big for our little minds to comprehend and they are questions that are impossible to answer. my faith in God is all i need.You just gave fifteen philosophers an aneurism. :)
sharpezor
12-04-2005, 06:35 AM
well one aneurism between 15 shouldnt be too tough ;)
mrdevious
12-04-2005, 06:35 AM
actually i have MANY other reasons.
and i really donâ??t think this should be up for debate, you or anyone else can't know if you would be able to comprehend the answers OR NOT, maybe the answers arnt really answers because our brain is used to receiving answers in a way that humans can understand. ex. verbally, touch, smell...
hey man I'm not saying I have all the answers or that I know we can find all the answers. but human kind got where it did because we kept asking questions and kept pushing the limits of what we can figure out. throwing up our arms, attributing everything to god, and not thinking about it isn't going to accomplish a thing.
Stedric
12-04-2005, 06:41 AM
Existence itself is self-conflicting. Can something come from nothing?
If I asked you to make me a gold chain without any materials to do so, could you? No, so obviously something can't come from nothing.
Yet I'm here. Was I always here? Did I always exist? No. So at some point in time something HAD to have come from nothing.
Take another hit from the bong, and think about it.
sharpezor
12-04-2005, 06:46 AM
hey man I'm not saying I have all the answers or that I know we can find all the answers. but human kind got where it did because we kept asking questions and kept pushing the limits of what we can figure out. throwing up our arms, attributing everything to god, and not thinking about it isn't going to accomplish a thing.
no problem. i wasnâ??t suggesting my personal solution to the masses, i only have that opinion because it cant possibly be answered in my lifetime and that its a wild goose chase. and i have no intention in going ALL OUT and finding answers and becoming a scientist and shit.
BUT for the people who are actually into that thing and making advancements, i am happy for them and what they are doing for us humans but i just find people having mini-debates over it, a bit pointless.
Existence itself is self-conflicting. Can something come from nothing?
If I asked you to make me a gold chain without any materials to do so, could you? No, so obviously something can't come from nothing.
Yet I'm here. Was I always here? Did I always exist? No. So at some point in time something HAD to have come from nothing.
Take another hit from the bong, and think about it.
that's the whole point of the discussion. the "nothing" that is being dicussed is called life. and when you think about it like that - excuse me, like this: http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=42084&page=1&pp=25, it's actually quite offensive.
have you ever scrutinized your domesticated animals? or any animal for that matter? it's strange isn't it? i know some questions that arise from my head:
"what are you?"
"where are you from?"
"are you an alien?"
maybe there are aliens? evolution (as it's defined) occurs when a population of organisms pass on heritable genetic traits-generation to generation. you can see it coming together already, uh? the previous galaxy had a devastating experience. the big bang. there day of reckoning has passed, but they were not forgotten. instead, there genetic makeup was passed on to this new, unknown planet (Earth). upon landing on this planet, lush with life promoting attributes, the molecules were able to adapt, such as they did at home, before it was obliterated. as they leech onto the life of Earth, they begin a process called evolution.
the human race
"been living off Earth since creation"
it's the way it is...
JonnyIndica
12-04-2005, 08:28 AM
[QUOTE=Ganj]i do say, throwing God in the mix makes the story come together...
How convenient !
sharpezor
12-04-2005, 08:35 AM
Existence itself is self-conflicting. Can something come from nothing?
If I asked you to make me a gold chain without any materials to do so, could you? No, so obviously something can't come from nothing.
That isnâ??t valid, you where formed from other parts of matter that already existed. mostly water :) the part that makes us grow, gives us thought etc.. is what we donâ??t know.
its amazing that a certain combination of atoms gives life, gives us. It dosnt get that way by chance people.
Green Love
12-04-2005, 08:54 AM
Faith = Trust
Without faith you have nothing.
I believe God was the Creator of all thing big and small.
Science, has no reasoning in the
realm of bibical facts.
beachguy in thongs
12-04-2005, 01:42 PM
LIFE is impossible.
LOL. I bet I can prove you wrong on this one.
beachguy in thongs
12-04-2005, 01:45 PM
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=42084&page=1&pp=25, it's actually quite offensive. [/size]
Are you aware that this link sends us to the top of last page?
jahjahjahjah
12-04-2005, 01:47 PM
i dont know how to answer this.
beachguy in thongs
12-04-2005, 02:06 PM
i dont know how to answer this.
Answer it with "nothing". There ya' go. Now, that's something, isn't it?
Are you aware that this link sends us to the top of last page?
oh yes, i'm very aware. it actually takes you to the beginning of this thread.
daZenfmeister
12-04-2005, 10:30 PM
There is no such thing as existence, the word can not encompass the whole of it. First of all you're asking how we were created. Nobody was created we're here and will always be here there is no beginning and no end its all the same. first of all im convinced that time does not really exist, its just our brains putting everything "in order" a few times I have been able to move freely through time in whichever direction i want. and im sure someone else out there has had the same experience...
Stoner Shadow Wolf
12-04-2005, 10:31 PM
reality is the best deffinition of impossible, there is no begining and there will be no end. ther emight have been a begining for awareness and consciousness, but there are many beginings and ends of the mind, it frequently lives out every fantasy, then stops for a time to forget everything that ever happened, like resetting the game.
you start the game of infinity, you play it out to your heart's content, then you reset it back to the begining and enjoy all over again with virgin experiance.
it's a never ending, and retarded cycle lol
daZenfmeister
12-04-2005, 10:42 PM
yeah life is kinda flawed. im supprised that natural selection didnt weed us outta the mix. its sad to think that we are the most advanced form of life on the planet
i wish aliens would visit earth that way we'd have some perspective on how we are compared to the rest of the universe.
Stoner Shadow Wolf
12-04-2005, 10:49 PM
yeah life is kinda flawed. im supprised that natural selection didnt weed us outta the mix. its sad to think that we are the most advanced form of life on the planet
i wish aliens would visit earth that way we'd have some perspective on how STUPID we are compared to the rest of the universe.i edited your quote to be more approperiate lol
Stedric
12-05-2005, 07:00 AM
That isn’t valid, you where formed from other parts of matter that already existed. mostly water :) the part that makes us grow, gives us thought etc.. is what we don’t know.
its amazing that a certain combination of atoms gives life, gives us. It dosnt get that way by chance people.
And where did the atoms come from?
Yes, I came from materials that existed before (two diploid cells;sperm and egg), but where did they come from? My parents. Where did they come from? Etc.
You eventually get into the chicken and egg argument. So my point is still valid, but nice try. Not sarcasm at all, that was a good point.
this thread was started a chicken and egg conflict. :twocents:
lardman
12-05-2005, 08:27 AM
AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! INFORMATION OVERLOAD :dance:
Fuck man, you got a shitload of stoners into a discussion about the beginning of everything? Damn, thats funny shit :D
But you guys have some interesting ideas, but some of your theories cant be right or wrong...........or SOMETHING..........AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
No one can know wtf, how anything can BE or IS or BEGUN! We just ARE, i dont know....pretty weird.
Some of you are saying that the world was created by somethings doing somethings, but how is that correct? How are those things created? By what? ANd what were those created by or WTF!! Damn!!!
ok everyone just needs to SHUT THE FUCK UP!! Our MINDS ARE WAAAAAAAAAYYY TTOOOOO SMALL TO COMPREHEND THIS SHIT!! ESPECIALLY STONERS! :D
!!!OUR MINDS ARE GOING TO EXPLODE!!!
AHHHHHHHHHH!!
king kong bong
12-05-2005, 03:05 PM
but the force is strong with me.
beachguy in thongs
12-05-2005, 05:05 PM
The first atoms came from a large supernovae.
I think Alfred Einstein's nephew told me that. :stoned:
Stedric
12-08-2005, 07:46 AM
The first atoms came from a large supernovae.
I think Alfred Einstein's nephew told me that. :stoned:
Where did the Supernova come from? See how the statements are paradoxical? According to what we know everything has to come from something, yet for anything to exist something did originally have to come from nothing. :rasta:
bonsaiguy
12-08-2005, 07:48 AM
The first atoms came from a large supernovae.
I think Alfred Einstein's nephew told me that. :stoned:
Is he any relation to Albert E Neuman?
beachguy in thongs
12-08-2005, 04:47 PM
The supernova came from, oh, I forgot.
Nitrogen combusted with Oxygen and created the first-ever molecule. Or maybe it was Carbon. Eleven years ago, I knew.
I just looked it up.
Well, the age of the universe, here: Some recent studies found the carbon-nitrogen-oxygen cycle to be two times slower than previously believed, leading to the conclusion that the Universe could be a billion years older than previous estimates (via the CNO cycle).
When there was nothing, there were still gases. The gases heated up, started becoming entropic, became dense, and then fused.
In the 90's, they made more observations to prove the "Big Bang Theory" and have also discovered that the Universe is expanding at a rate twice as rapid as previously thought.
As for your Alfred E. Neumann reference, you're Cracked.
beachguy in thongs
12-08-2005, 04:55 PM
And where did the atoms come from?
Yes, I came from materials that existed before (two diploid cells;sperm and egg), but where did they come from? My parents. Where did they come from? Etc.
You eventually get into the chicken and egg argument. So my point is still valid, but nice try. Not sarcasm at all, that was a good point.
I can answer some of these.
Heat and Density created the first atom.
Your parents came directly from your Grandparents.
The chicken is the alien. Can you imagine Humans being born in a shell?
Stedric
12-10-2005, 08:29 AM
I can answer some of these.
Heat and Density created the first atom.
Your parents came directly from your Grandparents.
The chicken is the alien. Can you imagine Humans being born in a shell?
Your still caught in the loop, no matter where you go with this you always come to the same conclusion.
Where did heat and density come from? My parents came from my grandparents, where did they come from? Where did the human race come from?
You will always be able to answer all those questions, but if you follow them back to a time where all existence was was a highly condensed area of matter, that still had to come from somewhere. If everything has to come from something, how can there have ever been nothing? But in order for for anything to exist, there has to at some point have been nothing.
So even though you are answering my questions, you aren't even breaching the surface of the greater part of the argument.
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