hanging yourself while high?

[Openmind559]

Would this still be painful? Um also well this be the best way to commit suicide because my brother who was 17 died like this but was not high. I'm just getting to the point where I want to do it and I want to know your thoughts on this. I mean really high like mad high. :( :confused: :o

[endo..jay]

hey man you are never getting to where you want to end you life i mean come on how old are you? cuz you cant think of this time as the best years of your life especially if they suck..you cant focus on the negitve but focus on the positive aspects of your life no matter how bad it is there is always something good

[mrdevious]

Tell us what's making you want to kill yourself, maybe an outside perspective could see a solution. believe me, there are things you haven't considered.

[Openmind559]

Just B.S man. I have talked to my sister about it. So she was like whatever it's your life and you guys. But like I said B.S everyday bad days and the same shit over and over so boring like some kind of cycle. I wonder why am I here? Why? Whats the reason to live? We all die one day. I hate getting up in the morning and going and start my life I just would be much more happy asleep for life or whatever happends. I wanted to ask also how much do you think caskets and the whole price of a funeral etc. are when I do die cuz I have been saveing money. I work at a supermarket and I have saved about $500.00. Man I have sold almost everything my moms keeps triping out and yea but I need to help out before I leave. I'm sixteen I hate looking at my little baby brothers 1 is 1 and one is 3 months it makes me want to cry everytime so then I just go to my room and do so. Anyways i'm really serious..

[sugarmagnolia]

u'd prob still have pain, though I could imagine the anticipation is the painful part.

don't hurt yourself. if u can't have fun living then devote your life to bringing happiness to others. instead of bringing pain to ur family and anyone close you can spread whatever happiness you can create to the world.

[mrdevious]

Just B.S man. I have talked to my sister about it. So she was like whatever it's your life and you guys. But like I said B.S everyday bad days and the same shit over and over so boring like some kind of cycle. I wonder why am I here? Why? Whats the reason to live? We all die one day. I hate getting up in the morning and going and start my life I just would be much more happy asleep for life or whatever happends. I wanted to ask also how much do you think caskets and the whole price of a funeral etc. are when I do die cuz I have been saveing money. I work at a supermarket and I have saved about $500.00. Man I have sold almost everything my moms keeps triping out and yea but I need to help out before I leave. I'm sixteen I hate looking at my little baby brothers 1 is 1 and one is 3 months it makes me want to cry everytime so then I just go to my room and do so. Anyways i'm really serious..


well man I know you're pretty set on it, and while I can offer my help I'm not gonna give you the old cliche's about life being worth living and such. rather, I think we should analyse this from a more objective and wide-spectrumed view. I'm 20 years old right now, and I definately want to live, but from ages 14-17 I contemplated suicide constantly. even from 18-19 I had the odd thoughts. not because I couldnt' take the suffering so much (and I think many people wouldn't have been able to), I just started to think there wasn't really any reason to push on.

I know what it's like, it feels like every day is the same shit and every time you wake up you just have to face it again. you try, you push, you hope and hope for the better future, but it never comes. But, and here's why I never went through with it, I eventually realized there is much more to it all, but in your present state it's near impossible to see it.

first of all let me tell you that it makes a big difference when you get out of high school and grow up, stop living as a kid, stop living under oppression. and whether or not it's a justifiable evil, all the limits set to you by society, parents, family, respect for you, are a form of oppression. when you grow up, move out, and explore yourself further you will discover that there's something to life more than you could contemplate before. There is a way out of such a miserable existence, but don't expect to be able to see it now.

Now personally, I found buddhism and it changed my life. I may have my off days/moments, but I'm making progress every day in my mental and physical developement. please keep in mind these aren't the words of a religious fundamentalist pushing the truth of his lord. I learned that buddhism isn't really a religion as it's classified, but a philosophy that proves true more and more as you study and practice it more deeply. There is no worship, there is no promise of heaven or hell, no punishment or reward (though western society misconstrues the concept of karma as such). The study of this philosophy enables you to see the true nature of reality in remarkable clarity, perfect clarity should one attain enlightenment. The entire basis for it is the complete and utter end of all suffering.
The four noble truths analyse the causes of suffering much as a physician would a disease.

1. The defining characteristic of life is suffering. (Identification of symptoms)
2. There is a cause of suffering. that being craving, clining, ignorance, and aversion (identification of cause) Note: this becomes much more clear through study.
3. There is a way towards the total ceasation of suffering. the extinction of craving, attachment, ignorance, and aversion. (identification of needed remedy)
4. The way to achieve this is through the eightfold noble path. the path itself is only the root, such as "right understanding" or "right awareness". each of the eight factors has a deep explanation on accomplishing them in themselves. (method of treatment)

I don't expect you to accept this at face value, but at least consider that there is an achievable state of being the likes of which you never knew existed, and it is by no means out of reach. every day of practice and study towards understanding brings inmeasurable rewards. at first you will feel that you need to make sacrifice, but soon enough will realize that nothing has been sacrificed and everything gained. and after all, everything is sacrificed in death, so you really have nothing to lose.

if you need to talk, please feel free to e-mail me [email protected]

[opiuser]

dude... find some poon.

either that, or trip some acid... you'll come out a changed person.

actually. Do some 21x salvia. as much as it takes to get you thrown into another world. you will be thankful to see the sky, you'll be thankful just to breathe

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

i'd just like to point out to all you fucktards who are all "oooh dont kill yourself! it cant be that bad!"


EASY AS FUCKING PIE FOR YOU TO SAY!!!


how many of us are there who actually have absolutely NO positive aspects in our lives? not many, yes, but GOD FUCKING DAMNIT let us die!


i am the role model for suicide, yet i am still alive... honnest to GOD i SHOULD have killed myself 9 GOD FUCKING DAMNED years ago, but i didnt, because im stupid, and because of this SAME stupidity, i CONTINUE not to kill myself, because i HOPE TO GOD YOU'RE RIGHT!

i hope that things will change, i hope hat something might start working out


BUT IT NEVER DOES!!!



why do i have to keep living???


because if i die, it will destroy the lives of people dear to me, and i cannot be the cause for such negativity.




FUCK YOU WORLD, YOU'RE A GOD DAMNED PIECE OF SHIT!

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Even Shakespeare thought about offing himself...

Tis a consumation devoutly to be wished....

...But what dreams may come when we have shuffled off this mortal coil, must give us pause.

And that is the fucking rub.

The idea that death might not end the pain.

Indeed, it might intensify it. To see the suffering your death causes.

And you'll probably just have to come back to this ball of shit to learn what you came here to learn to begin with.

Smoking pot probably won't give you the courage to bite the big one, but it might give you the perspective to not want to be dead.

It has for me. I started wanting to die around 15, but I've made it to 44, and I'm glad I did. Reading helps, too. Hobbies. And if you have to stay stoned, it's better than suicide. I'd say 20 years of staying stoned has been better than death. If pot doesn't work, some folks swear by their SSRI or Tricyclate, which are probably better than suicide as well.

Not that life will get any better, but time starts speeding up, you realize death will come soon enough, and things start to seem not so bad.

If life is eternal, you came here for some reason.

And if there is an eternity of nothingness waiting, what's the big hurry anyway?

I just try my best to make life less painful for myself and others.
And sometimes life can actually be a lot of fun.

[CocaCola]

You need a brain enema. Do some Salvia, like the other guy said...

[fat possum]

Sleeping pills would be a lot more easy to go out on rather than hang yourself

Good Luck! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[amsterdam]

people who kill themselves are cowards.

[ADaisyChain]

The best way to commit suicide?

at age 96 in your sleep with a morphine pump.

heelllzzz yeeaaahhhh

[amsterdam]

if your 96 years old why would you kill yourself? You lived that long? and then have to go to hell on top of that. cowards I say.

[F L E S H]

if your 96 years old why would you kill yourself? You lived that long? and then have to go to hell on top of that. cowards I say.
Go to hell? LOL

[amsterdam]

cowards.

[daves19]

i'd just like to point out to all you fucktards who are all "oooh dont kill yourself! it cant be that bad!"


EASY AS FUCKING PIE FOR YOU TO SAY!!!


how many of us are there who actually have absolutely NO positive aspects in our lives? not many, yes, but GOD FUCKING DAMNIT let us die!


i am the role model for suicide, yet i am still alive... honnest to GOD i SHOULD have killed myself 9 GOD FUCKING DAMNED years ago, but i didnt, because im stupid, and because of this SAME stupidity, i CONTINUE not to kill myself, because i HOPE TO GOD YOU'RE RIGHT!

i hope that things will change, i hope hat something might start working out


BUT IT NEVER DOES!!!



why do i have to keep living???


because if i die, it will destroy the lives of people dear to me, and i cannot be the cause for such negativity.




FUCK YOU WORLD, YOU'RE A GOD DAMNED PIECE OF SHIT!


For sure nothing is going to end for you if the only thing you do is hope it will change...be a lil less selfish and see that you are not in a so bad position...it might sound a lil cliche but fuck it, people dying because they cannot put something in their mouth is a hell lotta worst than your situation and openmind559... Try to live for the good of other people and you will find a purpous t oyour life...But do not expect life become good all of a sudden...Who are you to deserve a better life than other? I find myself to be lucky as i always had this philosophy and life always kept on giving me surprises, but if things starts to get bad for me my mind will still be there to evolved and find answers...even if icannot move any of my bodyparts...

[MudFu]

Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf
i'd just like to point out to all you fucktards who are all "oooh dont kill yourself! it cant be that bad!"


EASY AS FUCKING PIE FOR YOU TO SAY!!!


how many of us are there who actually have absolutely NO positive aspects in our lives? not many, yes, but GOD FUCKING DAMNIT let us die!


i am the role model for suicide, yet i am still alive... honnest to GOD i SHOULD have killed myself 9 GOD FUCKING DAMNED years ago, but i didnt, because im stupid, and because of this SAME stupidity, i CONTINUE not to kill myself, because i HOPE TO GOD YOU'RE RIGHT!

i hope that things will change, i hope hat something might start working out


BUT IT NEVER DOES!!!



why do i have to keep living???


because if i die, it will destroy the lives of people dear to me, and i cannot be the cause for such negativity.




FUCK YOU WORLD, YOU'RE A GOD DAMNED PIECE OF SHIT!

Fucksakes. Shut the fuck up would you. Bitch bitch bitch, oh my life is too hard, I think I wanna kill myself. Fine if it so hard then kill youself. You can not be a poster boy for suicide. If anything you are the poster boy of anti-suicide. Never giving in and always hoping for better...Dumbass...You know out of millions of sperm, you got to the egg and became developed. You were the stonge one. Well to bad your father never jerked you out cuz one of your brothers or sisters would problay like to live. Before I get this shit about how I don't know cuz it never happened to me, shut up cuz it did. It crossed my mine a few times. I didn' do it cuz I knew how stupid it was to give in. If you see your life as negative its cuz your a god damn pestamistic. Something, no matter how small it could be, is always good in your life...god, I don't care if you kill youself. Why should I? I'm not heartless but if you wanna be a pussy and kill yourself when something gets hard then fine go be a tard. Oh and B.S is far from a decent reason to kill yourself. If you wanna avoid the cost of a casket then drown yourself. Large rocks + pond. Its same as choking yourself. You still a fucktard.

[amsterdam]

i'd just like to point out to all you fucktards who are all "oooh dont kill yourself! it cant be that bad!"


EASY AS FUCKING PIE FOR YOU TO SAY!!!


how many of us are there who actually have absolutely NO positive aspects in our lives? not many, yes, but GOD FUCKING DAMNIT let us die!


i am the role model for suicide, yet i am still alive... honnest to GOD i SHOULD have killed myself 9 GOD FUCKING DAMNED years ago, but i didnt, because im stupid, and because of this SAME stupidity, i CONTINUE not to kill myself, because i HOPE TO GOD YOU'RE RIGHT!

i hope that things will change, i hope hat something might start working out


BUT IT NEVER DOES!!!



why do i have to keep living???


because if i die, it will destroy the lives of people dear to me, and i cannot be the cause for such negativity.




FUCK YOU WORLD, YOU'RE A GOD DAMNED PIECE OF SHIT!


hurry up and get it over with then!

or perhaps you are just wanting a little attention?

[sugarmagnolia]

why the fuck would u people post pro-suicide shit on this thread. a lot of u make me sick. You know I one thought that marijuana can enlighten you and make you think a little more sophisticated than other people, but I was wrong. You stupid shits are so fucking far from enlightened sounding. you seem like the type of little shits that smoke pot cause mommy and daddy are divorced and it helps u deal with it. well deal with ur shit.

suicide is cowardice as Amsterdam said. And stoner if u really wanted to kill urself u'd be dead by now. (whoever posted this thread) If you really understood life you wouldn't be comtemplating suicide. U think theres nothing out there to live for, and that is how I know u don't know shit about life. there's always something.

so why don't we not post stupid posts that don't even attempt to prevent this kid who "wants to commit suicide" from doing it. You all need to care more for eachother. wah wah wah!

[RastaKaze]

why the fuck would u people post pro-suicide shit on this thread. a lot of u make me sick. You know I one thought that marijuana can enlighten you and make you think a little more sophisticated than other people, but I was wrong. You stupid shits are so fucking far from enlightened sounding. you seem like the type of little shits that smoke pot cause mommy and daddy are divorced and it helps u deal with it. well deal with ur shit.

suicide is cowardice as Amsterdam said. And stoner if u really wanted to kill urself u'd be dead by now. (whoever posted this thread) If you really understood life you wouldn't be comtemplating suicide. U think theres nothing out there to live for, and that is how I know u don't know shit about life. there's always something.

so why don't we not post stupid posts that don't even attempt to prevent this kid who "wants to commit suicide" from doing it. You all need to care more for eachother. wah wah wah!

i agree with amsterdamn too.. believe me dude.. i wanted to kill myself at one time too... but once i put things in perspective i felt like a fucking morong for ever wanting to. sometimes life is bad, but thats part of it, you just have to deal with things as they come, and most important, find your souls purpouse! one can fel lost withoust a passion. what are you doing when your happy? When nothing else matters? these are just some of tthe questiongs your going to have to ask yourself if you want true happyness. anyway man dont kill yourself because you only have one life, you might as well live it to the fullest. cutting it short would only be, as stated before, an act of cowardice

[mrdevious]

It does seem in the grand scheme of things, the little bit of existence we're given is pretty damn tiny.

[Goodman3eb]

Before you try anything, be sure to read this:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=manly_suicide

[CocaCola]

Fucksakes. Shut the fuck up would you. Bitch bitch bitch, oh my life is too hard, I think I wanna kill myself. Fine if it so hard then kill youself. You can not be a poster boy for suicide. If anything you are the poster boy of anti-suicide. Never giving in and always hoping for better...Dumbass...You know out of millions of sperm, you got to the egg and became developed. You were the stonge one. Well to bad your father never jerked you out cuz one of your brothers or sisters would problay like to live. Before I get this shit about how I don't know cuz it never happened to me, shut up cuz it did. It crossed my mine a few times. I didn' do it cuz I knew how stupid it was to give in. If you see your life as negative its cuz your a god damn pestamistic. Something, no matter how small it could be, is always good in your life...god, I don't care if you kill youself. Why should I? I'm not heartless but if you wanna be a pussy and kill yourself when something gets hard then fine go be a tard. Oh and B.S is far from a decent reason to kill yourself. If you wanna avoid the cost of a casket then drown yourself. Large rocks + pond. Its same as choking yourself. You still a fucktard.

Thanks for your help, now could you stfu? And amsterdam, yes, we know to kill yourself is an act of cowardice... but three times... three times you said it. S T F U.

[MudFu]

Sorry Coca but I don't think it can be said enough times. MORONS!!!

[Sinsemilla Jones]

It's probably only morons who haven't contemplated suicide.
;)

And some very bright, talented, and indeed, courageous people have, unfortunately, succumbed to the urge that comes from the deep pain and utter despair of true clinical depression.
:(

Now, I will say this. Someone who has to kill their family and/or friends in order to get up the "courage" to kill themselves is pretty cowardly. But these are the people who keep it so bottled up, who can't even talk about it, lest someone call them a coward. Indeed, they probably ridicule others for expressing the weakness they hide.
:twocents:

[sm0k1t]

1 thing...listen to Bob Marley's three little birds smoke weed and never will you want to kill yourself...simple no?? and of course thinking that everything as good and bad sides just concentrate on the good side

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

wow to all the negative replies to what i said, you seem to think that i would rather die and destroy MORE lives than live in perpetual misery. no, im not selfish like that, if my death is going to ruin a minimum of 3 other lives, then i'll only be even MORE miserable in the afterlife! i cant get out of this misery no matter what i do, FUCK the attention people think i am seeking, i would be a FUCK of a lot happier without it!

especcially considering itls almsot ALL blatent insults to my presumed "pseudo-intellect".


and a little parting word to all you anti-death retards: death is not the end, it's no big deal, if you're so worried about death, you'd be joining PETA and attacking KFC chains.


but OH WAIT, HUMAN death is OOOOHHHH SUCH A BAD THING! why? can you give me one REAL reason that death is truly such a bad thing?

the feeling of others is a given, people just cant help but feel sorrow when someone dies (i never understood this), but other than that, there's no reason that death should be attacked like this!

ignorance of the other half of life... that's the only thing i can chalk this up to!

[yAwn]

The way I see it is like this. If I kill myself i'll never know if my life could get better or not. I'm too curious not to find out.

[sugarmagnolia]

but OH WAIT, HUMAN death is OOOOHHHH SUCH A BAD THING! why? can you give me one REAL reason that death is truly such a bad thing?

the feeling of others is a given, people just cant help but feel sorrow when someone dies (i never understood this), but other than that, there's no reason that death should be attacked like this!

ignorance of the other half of life... that's the only thing i can chalk this up to!
People have emotional attachment to eachother. Therefore we care about human deaths. Humans aren't alone in being creatures that feel pain when their type dies. Do you think that dogs and cats would be apathetic towards a friend of theres being killed? I as a human being naturally feel sorrow when I hear of other humans dying.

And yes we are ignorant of the after-life, as are you. That is a good damned reason to not go searching for the after-life in my eyes. I doubt there is a life after this life and I am ignorant of what will come after death. This is a good enough reason for me to not wanna toy with death, and to advise others against suicide.

[MudFu]

Well SSW, if there is more then it would be fine but if their isn't more after life then killing yourself is a pretty dumb thing to do. Well Killing youself is dumb even if their is more after life. How do you expect to go on in death if you couldn't handle life?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

emotional attatchment is an illogical reason to mourn the physical body's death. the mnind lives on, and if your mourn, obviousely you dont understand that.


the body is not the person you loved, why does their body matter so much to you that you must mourn when they leave hell?


yes, this is hell. hell on earth.


i am HAPPY for those that leave! you dont think they arent aware of your mourning them, and they FEEL YOUR PAIN!!! so why make them feel so badly that they had left?!?

please, for the sake of the deceaced, be happy for them and praise their parting.



now try to understand my position here...

you would rather blindly enter the afterlife and be bombarded with truths you might not be ready for? or do you want at least a little insight of what to expect?


and you're right, no one can truly know anything about the afterlife, because no two people are alike, your afterlife might be completely different from mine, but they all share one common thing, the truth. you cannot die and not know all, and humans are so ignorant and stupid that most of the time, they cant HANDLE the afterlife...


SOME OF US are actually COWERING on earth, because we cant handle the afterlife, some of us arent merely reincarnated, and trying to learn our lesson(s). it's terribly sad, because eventually, the Earth herself will fight back... :(


it just keeps getting harder, doesnt it?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Well SSW, if there is more then it would be fine but if their isn't more after life then killing yourself is a pretty dumb thing to do. Well Killing youself is dumb even if their is more after life. How do you expect to go on in death if you couldn't handle life?exactly. who are you telling? :P

[sugarmagnolia]

Aahhh.... Well I suppose that we both have very different beliefs stoner shadow wolf. In fact so different that when we both talk about this subject, we aren't really talking about the same things. I have a belief that there is no god, no spirit, and no after-life. My thinking is that humans are just some animal and life form and we are the brain. That is why I mourn the physical body. All I know of is the physical body, and it is the memories of the physical body moving that make it difficult. What other image do I have to remember a person by other than what they physically were.

I accept your stance on the afterlife, after all your religious beliefs are opposite mine on the after-life so we should have opposite opinions on topics surrounding death.

what is ur religions by the way?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

you must anaylize thoight, and the act of thinking...
meditate and calm the mind as well...

quantum physics are also an indication that there is not only the body and brain making up what you are...


considering that your body is composed of trillions upon trillions upon trillions of tiny life forms that are controlled by electrical impulses from the brain... but... how can a brain work? i mean... it simply cannot be autonomous! if what you say is true, then we do not trully think for ourselves, we do not actually have our own free will, it is an automated function of the brain... i cant really accept that one lol



and i have no religion, i abhore religion, i believe fully in personal spirituality. meditation is a better preacher than any religion could ever have.

[yAwn]

Ummm, can you guys maybe get back onto the topic of the dude who actually seemed like they wanted to kill themself?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

haha yes, good idea... i think i've already contributed enough to have him look at his life a little different and weigh the consequences before he tries anythying.


as long as he takes everything into consideration before he ends his life, i cannot object.

[MudFu]

Ummm, can you guys maybe get back onto the topic of the dude who actually seemed like they wanted to kill themself?

I don't think we really jumped off the topic to much. We still are talking about suicide.

I morns for the physical body because it means I am unable to see, meet and talk with this person again in my lifetime. If the mind lives on, IF, I still can not make any connection to it and being able to communicate with the person. When the person dies they live on in memory but sometimes memory is not enough. Lol on that, I like you to tell my cousin your ideas on morning. She might kill you with her bear hands. She still can not fully get over her mothers death. If you can handle someone so close to you dieing without so much as a sad thought of not seeing them then good for you, not how I would want to live. To me and my cousin, morning is a sigh of respect and it shows how much you loved and will miss the person.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

no you dont understand, you WILL see them again, just not in this life, not in this body, well maybe you will see them again in a dream, but you will never see their body again, they are not gone, stop shutting them out as if they were.


you can visit their grave if it makes you feel more connected; do what you must to get over the fact that their mind and body have parted.

[BalliN]

you wont do it

[MudFu]

Well, I did say I wouldn't see them in my lifetime... Anyways, It's only natural to feel some kidda sarrow when a loved one goes (death or otherwise).

[sugarmagnolia]

well stoner wolf, it appears that you are really attacking those that have no belief in the afterlife. You fail to respect are belief in this and you don't really understand what we are talking about because of this.

so listen: not everyone has your strange viewpoints and belief in the afterlife. and stop preaching saying that what you think is the truth. Even if you strongly believe it, we don't and we will not accept this as the truth, or even as a reasonable response to what we are typing.

[klarrix]

I was having similar thoughts to Openmind the other day: what is it about dying that's inherently wrong? I'm not posting to be a dick, I'd like a genuine answer to the question.

And in my opinion, claiming 'the grief it'll cause your family/friends is enough to make it immoral' is bunk- it should be your decision to die if you want to do it, and surely the sadness it causes others is easily outweighed by the sadness you're already feeling (or at least i'd assume so if you're feeling tormented enough to overcome the instinct to survive).

While you can enjoy life, for every up there seems to be a down making living seem more 'neutral' than anything 'good'. Why would being dead be any better or worse? Dying seems like just another stage to go through in life.

I believe that the main thing keeping me alive at the moment is the survival instinct we all have. The only thing that makes people shocked that Openmind wants to die is this subconcious-but irrational-feeling that death is a terrible thing. The only reason we have this instinct is evolution, which doesn't make the instinct a 'good' thing in itself, it's just the logical way to be if we want to reproduce (people without the instinct would happily go for a painless death).


Beyond that, my advice for you (Openmind) is to take out 10 minutes of your time to give this (http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/5minbud.htm)
a look. It's NOT like other preachy ideologies that tell you what is evil and good- it's completely hedonistic (built around pleasure rather than worship) and is totally built on logic. Just give it a glance before you make any final decisions :)

[sugarmagnolia]

ur ideas aren't built on logic. The quest to live and survive is the logical idea. It's illogical to kill yourself claiming that it is just part of nature. Do you see animals killing themselves? It's illogical to kill yourself because you believe in an after-life. Taking chances with pure ignorance is not logical.

[SativaTrip]

:rasta: There is one good reason not to kill yourself...and no it's not herb but you can have all the herb you want with this reason.......
The best reason ever not to kill yourself, (unless in prison forever)......IS that instead......you should really just do WHATEVER YOU WANT...and then if you die while doing it or after doing it then well shit, and don't hurt anyone else for fucks sake.....but hey if your going to die and the reason you want to die is the Cycle that i understand sooooo well
so fuck it just do what you want.....tell everyone to fuck offf...literally.....walk down the road and keep going till you get somewhere...hell walk till you fall over and die...that's not suicide...that is will which i think the pro-suicide desire so much.......
If you have the will to kill yourself then you have the will to do anything that you damn well want.....balls works both ways motherfuckers aye aye aye
:dance: :stoned: :stoned: :stoned: :stoned: :stoned:
So if your going to kill yourself to be in control of the dregs then don't you want to do shit before you die and at least be doing something you want to be doing when you do die.......as for life........read shit about m-theory and new physics shit and you will now that no one knows anything and it will all be a big fuckin surprise anyway which is EXACTLY why i say fuck it!!! JUST DO WHAT YOU WANT !!!!(except for kill yourself)_and goto CaptainPappyLand.com and maybe you will have something to laugh about.
hell that theory is the reason "Captain Pappy" exists so blam blam blam :rasta:

[klarrix]

ur ideas aren't built on logic. The quest to live and survive is the logical idea. It's illogical to kill yourself claiming that it is just part of nature. Do you see animals killing themselves? It's illogical to kill yourself because you believe in an after-life. Taking chances with pure ignorance is not logical.
That's because if there were ever animals who did that, they'd be dead by now so we wouldn't see them around- it's called evolution. The only reason other creatures don't do it is because if those that didn't would have died and would not reproduce- just because we've evolved not to doesn't make it 'wrong' or 'immoral', it just proves it a bad path to take if you want to continue your species. You haven't given me any real reasons why it's wrong, just connotations. Can anyone give a fact (rather than opinion) to prove to me why dying is wrong?

[klarrix]

Oh, and I never claimed it was a 'natural' thing to do, I just stated that in the long-term there's no reason to consider it an immoral thing to do; there's no actual reason for it being considered a bad thing, we're just shocked by the idea.


JUST DO WHAT YOU WANT !!!!(except for kill yourself)
But what if you WANT to kill yourself? Why would that actually be a bad thing? Aren't you contradicting the idea of hedonism by denying suicidal people the right to do exactly what they want?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

well stoner wolf, it appears that you are really attacking those that have no belief in the afterlife. You fail to respect are belief in this and you don't really understand what we are talking about because of this.

so listen: not everyone has your strange viewpoints and belief in the afterlife. and stop preaching saying that what you think is the truth. Even if you strongly believe it, we don't and we will not accept this as the truth, or even as a reasonable response to what we are typing.
look, i know no one can just simply accept what i say, and that's exactly why i am trying to hammer it in, because if i dont, you jsut get to put up with ten times worse than me when you die!


im trying to ease you into reality.


but you fight it, you'll fight it now, you'll fight it when your body dies, and the mental stress is just not worth fighting this!

but you're right, i haven't been very respectful of your beliefs, primarily because no one is very respectful to the real truth, the truth i can ee, the truth i wish i was blind to like the rest of you! honnestly, please dont take that as insulting... :( i know it is...

but yeh... i guess the only way i can prove it is for you to die :(

[MudFu]

look, i know no one can just simply accept what i say, and that's exactly why i am trying to hammer it in, because if i dont, you jsut get to put up with ten times worse than me when you die!


im trying to ease you into reality.


but you fight it, you'll fight it now, you'll fight it when your body dies, and the mental stress is just not worth fighting this!

but you're right, i haven't been very respectful of your beliefs, primarily because no one is very respectful to the real truth, the truth i can ee, the truth i wish i was blind to like the rest of you! honnestly, please dont take that as insulting... i know it is...

but yeh... i guess the only way i can prove it is for you to die

Wow...way to prove sugar right...you really can't see past your ideas...weren't you the same person who tells others to open your mind and see the truth. If you are unable to see our truths then you have no right to say that. You have stong faith in what you say but it still may not be true. I choose to take in what I heard and make my mind up after. Keep an open mind and see what makes sence to me. Your "theory" has some interesting ideas to it but to me you just seem like a person who truly fears the idea of death so you have decided that death is a new form of life.

[mrdevious]

well, we haven't heard from openmind in a while, but I've seen my fair share of people in forums saying "fuck you all I'm gonna kill myself now!" and coming on 2 months later pretending it never happened, so who really knows.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Wow...way to prove sugar right...you really can't see past your ideas...weren't you the same person who tells others to open your mind and see the truth. If you are unable to see our truths then you have no right to say that. You have stong faith in what you say but it still may not be true. I choose to take in what I heard and make my mind up after. Keep an open mind and see what makes sence to me. Your "theory" has some interesting ideas to it but to me you just seem like a person who truly fears the idea of death so you have decided that death is a new form of life.
what the? i can see your truths, just beacuse i do not apply them to myself doesnt mean i dont see them!


what evidence do you have that i am not seeing your truths?
and just because i believe in an after life doesnt mean i fear death,
i could argue and say that because you believe in void-death, that you are afraid of a continuing life...


but i didnt attack you like that, did i?

[jahjahjahjah]

emos kill themselves.

[jahjahjahjah]

EMO

[MudFu]

Attack? Someone is thats this to personaly. Also, I never fully came out and said what I believe about what can happen after death. You can not "attack" my ideas when I'm still trying to develope my ideas. I have no idea what to expect when I die and you do not either. All I meant was that you have no real idea that what you say is true, nor can I say it isn't true. You can be wrong just as people who believe in God. You just never know fully, not until the day you die. I don't know where you got the idea of me believing in a void-death, I never said anything that would show I do.


what evidence do you have that i am not seeing your truths?

Well how about "no you dont understand, you WILL see them again, just not in this life, not in this body, well maybe you will see them again in a dream, but you will never see their body again, they are not gone, stop shutting them out as if they were." or "look, i know no one can just simply accept what i say, and that's exactly why i am trying to hammer it in, because if i dont, you jsut get to put up with ten times worse than me when you die!" How am I not suppose to take this as you nto seeing someone elses beliefs. You really do not seem to see or understand what someone who has a different view of yours sees and you don't seem to try and understand. You try to force your ideas onto us. Saying something like "Trying to hammer it in" is just enough proof I need. If anyone started attacking someone elses ideas it was you.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

"am I not suppose to take this as you nto seeing someone elses beliefs"

i never said you were wrong, i never said that im right, i am simply putting what i see out there, and you want to attack me for the way i say it, go right on ahead, i know i say it without uncertenty, not without reason, but just because i know what i know doesnt mean im not going to let you believe what you want to believe, stop taking my "opinion" so personally!

[MudFu]

I'm not taking it personally. I'm just saying you can not tell someone to believe in something else cuz their idea isn't right. "im not going to let you believe what you want to believe" but it is my beliefs, why do you feel that you have the right to make me change them...or anyone else. Unless I have been reading what your saying wrong, which it does happen but I don't really think I am. Can we stop using this word "attack". No one is really attacking anything that someone is saying, we are just sharing our views on a topic, I never saw anything you said or I said or anyone else in this topic as an attack...I shouldn't have used the word in my last post but it was only cuz you sued it I did too. Lol anyways...

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

woah woah woah, hold up, who's forcing what here? i never once said you cant believe what you want, i am ONLY telling it as it is, weather or not you believe it is YOUR CHOICE, i can only hope to convice you!


i AM NOT forcing anything! if i were to force it, i'd threaton you, i'd call you names, i'd attack you, but i am trying my damnedest not to!

if you percieve attacks or force from me, i dont know how you do, it is so completely unintentional. please, i do not mean to force anything, if you feel like i am forcing anything on you, no offence, but that appears weak minded to me, if you feel that my constant babbling of what i know and believe is forcing you to change your thoughts, that is weak minded, hold fast to what you feel is RIGHT, dont listen to others unless you think they have a good enough point, dont be weak minded and feel like you're being forced to believe anything.

[MudFu]

Ok look fine "force" is a stong word. But hows push. You push your idea. Its not as threating and it does not mean the same as to force. Anyways I didn't say you were changing my mind cuz once again I will say this I do not have everything set in my mind yet. I am still unsure what to believe. This is kidda one of the reasons I ask a lot a questions and at times it tends to get out of hand and this it comes off as I'm mad when I really am not...I also tend to say certin words I shouldn't. Anyways, all I was trying to say to you was that you can not disprove anothers idea because is does not go with your idea. You can say something like "well I believe" but when you say something like "I'm telling it as it is" it makes it seem like you show no respect to anothers beliefs and while the truth is no one knows if their beliefs are truly right.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

okay, i understand better :) thanks for not being an immature pissant and just chalking it up to anything, at least you tried to help me understand, not many people are actualyl that considerate (or paitent) anymore :(


now, whilst i cannot disprove other ideas and beliefs (this is impossible, given the truth) i CAN try to aid you all in finding and understanding the truth.


ther eis only one truth that is both true and universal, it is what we all are, and it is what creates reality, therefore reality is directly a result of what we, the truth, believe, doubt, and fear.

this cannot be proven, because we cannot see it happening right away.

in fact, all the cartoons and movies and tv shows ever created are REAL, but it might take 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 EONS before they become PHYSICALLY real.


it takes the thought and belief of something to create it, and it takes a LOT of thought energy.

thought energy is zero point, all you have to do is observe a thought and energy will be added to that thought. if you think it enough, it eventually becomes true, because YOU ARE THE TRUTH.


i know im doing a terrible job at aiding people to finding the truth; im just saying it as it is, not giving people much room to explore and find it themselves, but knowing this, i WANT you to explore and find the truth on your own understanding, it is because of this that i CANNOT deny you any of your beliefs. i just have the habit of telling it as it is, and often mistake opinions as debate lol TERRIBLY sorry all :D

[MudFu]

Do you mean to say that the truth is pre-made, and that a simple thought no matter what can be the truth as well? And thanks I try not to be much of an ass but at times I really come across as one.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

yeah me too lol, but if i am agged on, i am an asshole and proud of it :D

and yes, given that the truth is eternal, and singular, all things are a product of the truth.