The Three Stages of Grief for Conspiracy People

[Psycho4Bud]

I found this very interesting. I may have solved the reason why some folk are so obsessed about 9-11 being a conspiracy. Your thoughts are welcomed!! :thumbsup:


http://www.unm.edu/~shc1/grieving.html

Grief has been described by one author in three stages. The first is shock and denial. You may find yourself saying "This can't be happening to me" or "why me?" You may even go on with your daily activities as if nothing has happened. This is denial.

Or maybe there aren't terrorists that just hate so I should'nt be on alert. If my government is behind it, it won't affect your daily activities.

The next stage may be anger and depression. You may find yourself surprisingly short tempered or easily frustrated. This stage may also be expressed by a turning inward away from your usual activities or people.

Turning inward...maybe such as using an ignore feature so as not to hear the truth?

The third stage is understanding and acceptance. There may be a sense of peace and an ability to go on with life in a meaningful way, despite the loss


You see people, there is hope for ya! Just try to be strong!!! :thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

Just as long Bush and his war machine stays away from me..LOL :stoned:

[Psycho4Bud]

Just as long Bush and his war machine stays away from me..LOL :stoned:


Stage 1....LOL :dance:

[pisshead]

i wonder if this includes the 19 freedom hating muslim hijacker conspiracy theory...7 of whom are still alive...

[Psycho4Bud]

i wonder if this includes the 19 freedom hating muslim hijacker conspiracy theory...7 of whom are still alive...


You may find yourself surprisingly short tempered or easily frustrated..Stage 2 LOL :dance:

[eg420ne]

After a closer read of the website message about grief, I came to the conclusion that it bears the hallmark of what happened with 911, thats why so many americans were duped and still being fooled-lol.....How Interesting!

[Psycho4Bud]

After a closer read of the website message about grief, I came to the conclusion that it bears the hallmark of what happened with 911, thats why so many americans were duped and still being fooled-lol.....How Interesting!


No brother, Shock and Denial! You people can't face the facts that these "tin pot terrorists" could pull off such a thing. Well dude, they did. Now do yourself a favor and just move to stage 3! Healing is a good thing!! :thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

Are you sure you not talking about yourself, PSY?

[Psycho4Bud]

Are you sure you not talking about yourself, PSY?

Very sure, just kickin' back as mellow as you can be! :D

stage 1: couldn't believe it was happening
stage 2: kill the mopheads
stage 3: there are assholes in all races, we just have to deal with the bad ones! :thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

No brother, Shock and Denial! You people can't face the facts that these "tin pot terrorists" could pull off such a thing. Well dude, they did. Now do yourself a favor and just move to stage 3! Healing is a good thing!! :thumbsup:So you dont find it strange that Porter Goss, Graham, Kly and members of the house committee were having breakfast with General Mahmoud Ahamad who had transfered money to Mohammed Atta, one of the terrorist.....

[Psycho4Bud]

So you dont find it strange that Porter Goss, Graham, Kly and members of the house committee were having breakfast with General Mahmoud Ahamad who had transfered money to Mohammed Atta, one of the terrorist.....

Not a bit. Bush had how many breakfasts with Chirac while the French were slippin' money to Saddam with the Food for Oil. Hell, you know whats going on with everybody you eat with?

It's part of that stage 2 dude...you gotta get past it! :thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

Yeah they were having breakfast the very same day as 911,saying good job in helping us fool the american people----unfuckinbelieveable --I've gotta roll me up a fatty now!

[pisshead]

19 hijackers who couldn't fly and hate freedom, controlled by the guy in a cave...

that's all you need to know. stop asking questions please, thank you.

there were no put options, there was no building 7, fbi informants living with the hijackers? shhh...our government following hijackers out of the country and allowing them back in...shhh...'hijackers' still alive, that doesn't matter...the joint chiefs cancelling flights on the eve of 9/11...so what? ashcroft and willie brown warned not to fly...i'm sure that was just a coincidence...

there are hundreds of questions that don't need to be asked, and it would be unpatriotic to ask them.

you saw the fat bin laden tape, right?

i bet you don't believe magic bullets can change direction either...

[eg420ne]

Not a bit. Bush had how many breakfasts with Chirac while the French were slippin' money to Saddam with the Food for Oil. Hell, you know whats going on with everybody you eat with?

It's part of that stage 2 dude...you gotta get past it! :thumbsup:Awww poor PSY still suffering in stage 1 too bad :(

[eg420ne]

SHHHs pisshead, PSY is still suffering in stage 1 (shock & denial)..He might burst a couple 1000s brain cells..

[pisshead]

more links that neo-cons can ignore...

The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11


I posted an earlier version of this last week at Democratic Underground (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2160541). I've added a number of more entries, and links for all.

Happy coincidenting!

That governments (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,1019246,00.html) have permitted terrorist acts (http://www.redvoltaire.net/article694.html) against their own people (http://avantgo.thetimes.co.uk/services/avantgo/article/0,,1150429,00.html), and have even themselves been perpetrators (http://english.terror99.ru/explosions/) in order to find strategic advantage is quite likely true, but this is the United States we're talking about.

That intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank (http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/investigative/case1.asp), BCCI (http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/11intel.htm), Banco Ambrosiano (http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/operation_gladio.htm), the P2 Lodge (http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Propaganda_Due), the CIA/Mafia (http://www.jfklancer.com/cuba/castroplots.html) anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra (http://www.madcowprod.com/mc5012004.html) and the rest were a long time ago, so thereâ??s no need to rehash all that (http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/the_money_fountain.htm). That was then, this is now (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP311A.html)!

That Jonathan Bushâ??s Riggs Bank (http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Riggs_Bank_N.A.) has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George, but it's still no justification for leaping to paranoid conclusions.

That George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security (http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm) to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines means nothing more than you must admit those Bush boys have done alright for themselves.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osamaâ??s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy (http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_07_01/Bush___Bin_Laden_-_George_W__B/bush___bin_laden_-_george_w__b.html) things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is (http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/01-11-04/discussion.cgi.28.html).

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/VIN204A.html) its cells, is merely one of history's little aberrations (http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MNA110A.html).

The claims of Michael Springman (http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=104&row=1), State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas (http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/02/521.shtml) to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States, sound like the sour grapes of someone who was fired for making such wild accusations.

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001 (http://www.complete911timeline.org/), was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps, even as the group's guilt for the Cole bombing was established, proves that a transition from one administration to the next is never an easy task.

That so many influential figures (http://www.newamericancentury.org/) in and close to the Bush White House (http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm) had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" (http://pilger.carlton.com/print/124759) before their militarist ambitions (http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf) could be fulfilled, demonstrates nothing more than the accidental virtue of being in the right place (http://www.pnac.info/) at the right time.

That the company PTECH (http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/021208-secure01.htm), founded by a Saudi financier placed on Americaâ??s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAAâ??s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11 attack, means he must not have been such a threat after all.

That whistleblower Indira Singh (http://www.madcowprod.com/mc4512004.html) was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be killed," suggests he should take an anger management seminar.

That on May 8, 2001 (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&timeperiod=2001%20-%200:05am%2011%20Sept%202001), Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administrationâ??s energy policy which bore implications (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4458.htm) for America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report, merely shows the VP to be someone who finds it hard to delegate.

That the standing order which covered the shooting down (http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/d302515_021897/d302515p.pdf) of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.

That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley (http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html) found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html) that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.

That Dave Frasca (http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/02/43525.shtml) of the FBIâ??s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite possibly classified.

That FBI informant Randy Glass (http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-07-02/glass.html), working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and that his repeated warnings (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/randyglass.html) which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities, is simply one of the many "What Ifs" of that tragic day.

That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level warnings (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1375723) from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.

That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml) in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.

That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers (http://infowars.com/transcript_schippers.html) says heâ??d taken to John Ashcroftâ??s office specific warnings heâ??d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack â?? even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets â?? and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipperâ??s pathetic need for attention.

That Garth Nicolson (http://www.globalresearch.org/view_article.php?aid=670727528) received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him.

That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative Delmart Vreeland (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index-vreeland.html) sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a dubious character (http://www.guerrillanews.com/wildcard/vreeland_one), notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been proven true (http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1070579408676%20%20&tacodalogin=no).

That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright (http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2469.shtml) claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism, sounds like yet more sour grapes (http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/37/news-crogan.php) from a disgruntled employee.

That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11 (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-23-war-analysis_x.htm) demonstrates only the value of being prepared (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/nov2001/afgh-n20.shtml).

The suggestion that securing a pipeline (http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/oilwar1.html) across Afghanistan figured into the White Houseâ??s calculations is as ludicrous as the assertion that oil played a part in determining war in Iraq.

That Afghanistan is once again the worldâ??s principal heroin producer (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MCS306A.html) is an unfortunate reality, but to claim the CIA is still actively involved (http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/DARKALLIANCE/ciaheron.html) in the narcotics trade is to presume bad faith (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO404A.html) on the part of the agency.

Mahmood Ahmed (http://www.billstclair.com/911timeline/main/mahmoodahmed.html), chief of Pakistanâ??s ISI, must not have authorized an al Qaeda payment of $100,000 to Mohammed Atta (http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?catkey=-2128936835&art_id=1454238160&sType=1) days before the attacks, and was not meeting with senior Washington officials over the week of 9/11, because I didnâ??t read anything about him in the official report.

That Porter Goss met with Ahmed (http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/76366.php) the morning of September 11 in his capacity as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has no bearing whatsoever upon his recent selection by the White House to head the Central Intelligence Agency.

That Goss's congressional seat encompasses the 9/11 hijackers' Florida base (http://portergoss.house.gov/) of operation, including their flight schools, is precisely the kind of meaningless factoid a conspiracy theorist would bring up.

It's true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the Oval Office, but what's wrong with old colleagues catching up? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,738196,00.html) at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group, but the bin Ladens are a big family.

That FEMA arrived (http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2004/07/fema-in-big-apple.html) in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled biowarfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7, was a lucky twist of fate.

Newsweekâ??s report (http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id2672/pg1/) that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.

That George Bush's telephone logs (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1819543) for September 11 do not exist should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.

That Mohamed Atta attended (http://www.911independentcommission.org/airports31804.html) the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey merely shows it is a small world (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jun2002/offi-j21.shtml), after all.

That Lt Col Steve Butler (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mcherald/3406502.htm), Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was disciplined (http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.06E.butler.bush.htm), removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.

That Mohammed Atta (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1433886) dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defence contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.

That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally Hilliard (http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/questions/flightschool/hilliard-bankrolled-911-flight-school-and-rudi-dekkers.txt), the owner of Attaâ??s flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled â?? the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida â?? was just bad luck (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1294206). That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly are.

That Hilliardâ??s plane (http://www.madcowprod.com/books.html) had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/W_plane.html), and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Sealâ??s attorney (http://sanderhicks.com/benveniste.html) before Sealâ??s murder (http://www.wethepeople.la/seal2.htm), shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions (http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_crime_family.html).

Reports (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34910,00.html) of insider trading (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x509119) on 9/11 are false, because the SEC (http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2004-98.htm) investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/12_06_01_death_profits_pt1.html) was merely, as ever, coincidental.

That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x10267#10267) to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.

That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=976740&mesg_id=976740) he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.

That none (http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/flightdata.html) of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable, shows how there's a first time for everything.

That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license and a "how to fly planes" (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/WTC_MAIN010912.html) video in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.

The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been arrested (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html) on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an Israeli espionage ring (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index_np.html) surveiling DEA and defense installations and trailing (http://iraq-info.1accesshost.com/schrom.html) the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications such as Ha'aretz (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C) and Forward (http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2.html) is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Israeli media.

That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 â?? one simulating the crash of a plane (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1298401) into a building; another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1694495) â?? and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.

That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x631352) to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.

That a recording (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=535331&mesg_id=535331) made Sept 11 of air traffic controllersâ?? describing what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could undo.

That the FBI knew precisely which (http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=7816) Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball.

That a former flight school executive (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1433886) believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy.

That Jeb Bush was on board (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1328855) an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.

To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights (http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=September_11%2C_2001:_Evacuation_ of_Saudi_Nationals) of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.

Le Figaroâ??s report (http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,584444,00.html) in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.

That the tape (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&f orum=104&topic_id=1719399&mesg_id=1719399) in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.

That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters (http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story-archive.php?Template=terrorism&Story=37935) flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.

That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1536576#1536694), is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.

Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis treatment (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-789042,curpg-1.cms) in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to be true.

That the White House went on Cipro September 11 (http://www.judicialwatch.org/2953.shtml) shows the foresightedness of Americaâ??s emergency response.

That the anthrax was mailed to perceived liberal media and the Democratic leadership (http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/jan2002/anth-j23.shtml) demonstrates only the perversity of the terrorist psyche.

That the anthrax attacks (http://www.oilempire.us/anthrax.html) appeared to silence opponents of the Patriot Act (http://www.freefromterror.net/other_articles/gov_anthrax.html) shows only that appearances can be deceiving.

That the Ames-strain anthrax was found to have originated at Fort Detrick (http://www.glennbeck.com/news/03202002.shtml), and was beyond the capability of all but a few labs to refine, underscores the importance of allowing the investigation to continue without the distraction of absurd conspiracy theories (http://www.counterpunch.org/madsenanthrax.html).

That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided financiers (http://www.citizensoldier.org/norquist.html) and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda, suggests Norquist is at worst, naive, and at best, needs a wider circle of friends.

That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than permit the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda leaders (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0206-04.htm) in American custody looks bad, but only because we don't have all the facts.

That the White House balked (http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/) at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then starved it of funds (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,437267,00.html) and stonewalled (http://home.earthlink.net/~imfalse/9-11_commission_says.html) it, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.

That the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that he testified (http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040115-024012-7011r) before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only an apparent conflict of interest.

That commission chair Thomas Kean (http://thomas%20kean/) is, like George Bush, a Texas oil executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mafouz (http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Thomas_H._Kean), suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.

That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer," including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October Surprise" (http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/hamiltonoctsurprise.htm), is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was such a thing (http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html) as an October Surprise.

That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&f orum=102&topic_id=442067&mesg_id=442067), and claims she witnessed evidence of the semi-official (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x655980) infrastructure of money-laundering (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&a mp;forum=104&topic_id=1555133&mesg_id=1555133) and narcotics trade (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=610 235&mesg_id=610235) behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public testimony. For the sake of national security, let us speak no more of her.

That, when commenting on Edmond's case, Daniel Ellsberg (http://www.breakfornews.com/Sibel-Edmonds1.htm) remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn't wise up, find himself declared an enemy combatant (http://www.claremont.org/projects/jurisprudence/hamdi_ussc.html).

I could go on. And on and on. But I trust you get the point. Which is simply this: there are no secrets, an American government would never accept civilian casualties for geostrategic gain, and conspiracies are for the weak-minded and gullible.

[eg420ne]

More coincidence, Oh My!

[Psycho4Bud]

Frustration ending in a highjacked thread.....stage 2 I'd say! :D

[eg420ne]

Frustration ending in a highjacked thread.....stage 2 I'd say! :DThis coming from the master of hijacking threads...lol...Its not all your fault that your still suffering in stage 1....

[Psycho4Bud]

This coming from the master of hijacking threads...lol...Its not all your fault that your still suffering in stage 1....

You wouldn't be democrat by chance, I can see your having a lil' problem with original thought also. I don't know if thats a stage 2 or not??? Just let it go dude, you'll feel better!! :thumbsup:

[WalkaWalka]

Hey phyco do you work for the goverment ^^

nice avatar

[Psycho4Bud]

Hey phyco do you work for the goverment ^^

nice avatar

No....fluid power technologist. :thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

You wouldn't be democrat by chance, I can see your having a lil' problem with original thought also. I don't know if thats a stage 2 or not??? Just let it go dude, you'll feel better!! :thumbsup:Always throwing them low blows---calling me a democrat. :rolleyes:

[Psycho4Bud]

Always throwing them low blows---calling me a democrat. :rolleyes:

Ya, I guess that was pretty low. Could have been worse....I could have called ya a dime store indian!

[amsterdam]

thats AMERICAN indian!! Don't make me call the ACLU on you.

[Fengzi]

Hey, I've been watching the old X-Files show and have got this 911 conspiracy thing all figured out. The hijackers were not Muslims. They were alien clones created by a faction of our government, led by the mysterious smoking man and GW Bush. In fact, all radical Muslims are actually alien clones. GW (and the smoking man) plant these clones wherever they feel the U.S. Military should be (they'll be in Mongolia soon). The clones stir up trouble and then the Marines move in. Unfortunately the clones were not doing a good enough job in the Middle East and SW Asia so GW(and the smoking man) came up with a plan for them to crash into the WTC and the Pentagon.

Of course this is all part of a larger plot to send our militray abroad which would neccessitate the Chinese and Mexican Armies being invited into the U.S. to impose martial law on all of us. :dance:

[Psycho4Bud]

Hey, I've been watching the old X-Files show and have got this 911 conspiracy thing all figured out. The hijackers were not Muslims. They were alien clones created by a faction of our government, led by the mysterious smoking man and GW Bush. In fact, all radical Muslims are actually alien clones. GW (and the smoking man) plant these clones wherever they feel the U.S. Military should be (they'll be in Mongolia soon). The clones stir up trouble and then the Marines move in. Unfortunately the clones were not doing a good enough job in the Middle East and SW Asia so GW(and the smoking man) came up with a plan for them to crash into the WTC and the Pentagon.

Of course this is all part of a larger plot to send our militray abroad which would neccessitate the Chinese and Mexican Armies being invited into the U.S. to impose martial law on all of us. :dance:

LOL...send it to Alex Jones! Hell, that'll be another $14.95 for a tape!! :thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

Hey, I've been watching the old X-Files show and have got this 911 conspiracy thing all figured out. The hijackers were not Muslims. They were alien clones created by a faction of our government, led by the mysterious smoking man and GW Bush. In fact, all radical Muslims are actually alien clones. GW (and the smoking man) plant these clones wherever they feel the U.S. Military should be (they'll be in Mongolia soon). The clones stir up trouble and then the Marines move in. Unfortunately the clones were not doing a good enough job in the Middle East and SW Asia so GW(and the smoking man) came up with a plan for them to crash into the WTC and the Pentagon.

Of course this is all part of a larger plot to send our militray abroad which would neccessitate the Chinese and Mexican Armies being invited into the U.S. to impose martial law on all of us. :dance:Fengzi been praying to the X-files TV--- how funny---just dismiss all the evidence surrounding 911--

[Psycho4Bud]

Fengzi been praying to the X-files TV--- how funny---just dismiss all the evidence surrounding 911--

The only so called evidence you have is some assumptions made by the one and only Alex Jones (http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2696118) ! :thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

The only so called evidence you have is some assumptions made by the one and only Alex Jones (http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2696118) ! :thumbsup:
NO! that where u are wrong, I can tell u never read any evidence surrounding the 911 events except what the govt throws at you..........Do we have to go at it again PSY

[eg420ne]

Fengzi & PSY still suffering in Stage 1 they need help fast calling DR X-Files calling DR X-files

[Psycho4Bud]

NO! that where u are wrong, I can tell u never read any evidence surrounding the 911 events except what the govt throws at you..........Do we have to go at it again PSY


Between the cell calls and the footage on TV of the planes actually hitting buildings.....well, I guess, there is no evidence! :thumbsup:

So how ya like my new flic....another sender I'll bet!! :dance:

[eg420ne]

Im talking about all the evidence that your loving do no wrong govt MIHOP or LIHOP, im not talking about planes hitting the twin towers or cell phones damn dude stop tryin to distort shit....

[eg420ne]

where i dont see it weres it at

[Psycho4Bud]

Im talking about all the evidence that your loving do no wrong govt MIHOP or LIHOP, im not talking about planes hitting the twin towers or cell phones damn dude stop tryin to distort shit....

Anger....DEFINATE stage 2!! Maybe a you should see someone about that lil' issue! :dance:

[Psycho4Bud]

The only so called evidence you have is some assumptions made by the one and only Alex Jones (http://mm.dfilm.com/mm2s/mm_route.php?id=2696118) ! :thumbsup:

There ya go! Enjoy!! :thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

what flic psy,,,really i didnt send it to anyone just wanted to see what u say lol

[eg420ne]

I thought it be longer

[Psycho4Bud]

I thought it be longer

I'll bet that's what your ol' lady says! :dance:

BWWWAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!

I couldn't pass that shit up!!! :thumbsup: LOL

[eg420ne]

Anger....DEFINATE stage 2!! Maybe a you should see someone about that lil' issue! :dance:
DR X-files wont see me & the 100 millions others about all the evidence that our govt LIHOP or MIHOP

[eg420ne]

I'll bet that's what your ol' lady says! :dance:

BWWWAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!

I couldn't pass that shit up!!! :thumbsup: LOLI know I led myself into that one

[Fengzi]

The problem with you conspiracy theory people is that everything is a government plot. If Pisshead wakes up in the morning and can't take a shit it must be because the government put something in the water in order to force people to buy more laxitives from big corporate Rx companies. Sorry, but I just can't take any of this seriously. Ever hear about the little boy that cried wolf?

[eg420ne]

What wrong with you conspiracy theory bushbots is that u beLIEve everything the govt tells you....

[amsterdam]

not to mention that most of the conspiracy ideas are at about a third grade level.

[Psycho4Bud]

not to mention that most of the conspiracy ideas are at about a third grade level.

I wonder if Pissy means "not potty trained" in Indian? You may be onto something here!! :thumbsup:

[amsterdam]

I would think she was potty trained,who knows??

did you have a good turkey day psycho4bud? I went home to Texas with the wife for some deep-fried turkey and all the trimmings!! There is nothing better than a southern thanksgiving meal.

[Fengzi]

What wrong with you conspiracy theory bushbots is that u beLIEve everything the govt tells you....
Actually I beleive very little of what the govt tells me, especially if it comes from good ol' GW . Most of this conspiracy theory shit is so laughable, however, that it beats SNL for a good giggle.

[eg420ne]

All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed, then it is violently opposed, Finally, it is accepted as self-evident

[Fengzi]

"The Truth is Out There"

Right?

[amsterdam]

X-Files music starts.

[eg420ne]

Actually I beleive very little of what the govt tells me, especially if it comes from good ol' GW . Most of this conspiracy theory shit is so laughable, however, that it beats SNL for a good giggle.
Yes i know ur not a fan of GW. Im talking about that there is evidence that somewhere in the Govt someone new something was going to happen and did nothing.

[eg420ne]

You see if the govt has nothing to hide then why dont they show dem video from the hotels & gas station that were aimed at the pentagon, and who warn all them top pentagon officials or warn Mayor Willy Brown.

[Psycho4Bud]

I would think she was potty trained,who knows??

did you have a good turkey day psycho4bud? I went home to Texas with the wife for some deep-fried turkey and all the trimmings!! There is nothing better than a southern thanksgiving meal.

Thanksgiving was a lil' different this year. My grandmother died the week before and her funeral was on the Monday before. Fine lady...lived to be 97!! Besides all that...feasted like a big ol' dog!! :thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

You see if the govt has nothing to hide then why dont they show dem video from the hotels & gas station that were aimed at the pentagon, and who warn all them top pentagon officials or warn Mayor Willy Brown.

More denial...stage 1! You seem to keep slipping back and forth...kind of like your flip-flopping between stage 1 and stage 2....whats with that shit?? :rasta:

[eg420ne]

No my friend your the one who is stuck in stage 1

[amsterdam]

Yes i know ur not a fan of GW. Im talking about that there is evidence that somewhere in the Govt someone new something was going to happen and did nothing.


Like maybe The Clinton Administration? How many times was America attacked during the 90's at home and abroad? 5 times.

Perhaps the intelligence unit Able Danger who had identified 4 of the hijackers about a year before the attacks, BUT because of laws put into place by Gorelick they were not able to share that information. What exactly did Sandy Berger steal from the national archives. What was so important that he risked his freedom and reputation to get rid of it?

America got caught sleeping with our pants down on Sept. 11th plain and simple.

[Psycho4Bud]

No my friend your the one who is stuck in stage 1

You see, stage 1 is shock and denial. As for myself, I'm happy as a clam in the water shootin' out pearls left and right! :thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

You see, stage 1 is shock and denial. As for myself, I'm happy as a clam in the water shootin' out pearls left and right! :thumbsup:Well maryjane told me to step away from the computer and head toward the office door for a buzz---- cya