black role models

[Tholiak]

I have found what is wrong with the black community, apparantly they look at Convicted Murderers as Role models and great inspirators.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,176130,00.html

Several Prominent black actors/rappers have come out asking California to give this guy a pardon from execution, because he has "changed". Forget that he murdered 4 people, forget that he created one of the most violent street gangs this country has ever seen that is responsible for thousands upon thousands of Murders. If this is the type of trash that the black community looks up to, they are just gona go father down the latter of progress. They need a new leader, BAD.

[Torog]

Howdy Tholiak,

Yup..yer right..what's even more shameful..is how Condi Rice is treated by the Left,when clearly she should be a role model for black children,,she's the Secretary of State for goodness sake !

Have a good one !

[Tholiak]

and if any of yall think he should be pardoned, maybe you should look at his crime.

he Executed a 7-11 Employee, then laughed at the dude while he was dying, He also murdered an Entire Family. The Father, the mother and the daughter.

[zooted999]

I have found what is wrong with the black community, apparantly they look at Convicted Murderers as Role models and great inspirators.

Again, these generalizations do nothing but encourage animosity. While I agree that this particular gangster needs to be killed, I don't think you, me or anybody has the right to tell somebody who their role models should be. White people always tell everybody what's best for them, and the results haven't been so splendid.

Think about the the gangster rappers that kids looks up to-- some kids look up to them because those famous rappers used to live in the slums and suddenly, they're on TV, they have cars, money, women, mansions... if your a kid living in a broken home in some ghetto, that's something admirable-- Making something out of nothing.

And IMO about Condi, I don't think anybody needs to look up to a politician.

(Yes, I'm white)

[Psycho4Bud]

Rapper Snoop Dogg urged Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Saturday to grant clemency to convicted murderer and Crips co-founder Stanley Tookie Williams so he can continue his work with young people.



What a joke!!! Ya, let him continue his work with young people. I wonder how many he recruited to kill some bloods? Is this the best that people can come up with for a "role model"?? Pretty sad! :twocents:

[bhallg2k]

Condi Rice is treated poorly by the left because she's nothing more than W's lying-ass lapdog. Trying to inject racism into the reason why no one but conservatives like her is, well, actually typical of conservatives who seem to have a severe fetish for diversion and obfuscation. And pretty typical of you as well, Torog.

Tholiak, seriously. Just put on the white robe and be done with it. You hate black people. We get it. It's time for you to move on to some other inbred pastime.

[Torog]

Condi Rice is treated poorly by the left because she's nothing more than W's lying-ass lapdog. Trying to inject racism into the reason why no one but conservatives like her is, well, actually typical of conservatives who seem to have a severe fetish for diversion and obfuscation. And pretty typical of you as well, Torog.

Tholiak, seriously. Just put on the white robe and be done with it. You hate black people. We get it. It's time for you to move on to some other inbred pastime.
Howdy bhall,

Condi Rice holds several degrees and should really be referred to as Dr. Rice..she no one's lap-dog or Aunt Tom,she's fought and worked very hard to git towhere she's at today,and so did Colin Powel. Both are highly educated people and they do their own thinking,both have achieved what no other black person ever thought possible..and you have the gall to call them lap-dogs !

Shame on you !

You'd rather glorify a cold-blooded murderer,instead ?

Such..is the lunacy of the Left.

Have a good one !

[lemonboy]

She has worked hard and earned her various degrees. Good for her. She's also obviously content being the Bush administration's token black spokesman and that's all I have a problem with. Her bosses would gladly see her dangling from a tree on the White House lawn and yet they're working hand-in-hand to make it happen. I can't help but wonder how much good she is bringing to the black community by helping 'mastah braid his whips.

You like her because she's the whitest black person he could have possibly picked for the job. That's why she is a role model, because she sends the message that with enough hard work and education you too can overcome your skin color. Personally, I find that pretty disgusting.

[Breukelen advocaat]

You like her because she's the whitest black person he could have possibly picked for the job.

Who do you expect him to pick? Rice is good at playing the game of politics and got a good position.

Just wondering, since you are so passionate about this: Are you "Black", or a person of a different race that is an expert on racial issues?

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Racism exist because people of the said race gives it a reason...Just look at blacks..You say anything about them they dont like, your a racist, even if your pointing out statical stuff backed up by FACTS! Your still a racist. Blacks think everyone owes them something. Just look at new orleans and what happens when a chitload of blacks dont have anyone to arrest them, they loot pillage and rape young women. Or just go around a black neighborhood, its shambly because they refuse to work, they rather collect Welfare and sling their dope from the corner.
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=333026#post333026

More rag heads that kill each other..the better
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=346552#post346552

Never trust a rag head
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=382379#post382379

Blacks multiply like rabits, its only way they can keep their welfare. they have to pop a kid out at least every 5 years to keep those checks coming.
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=386186#post386186

Rag heads
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=413492#post413492

hindus...muslims...communist...sounds likes target practice
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=413892#post413892

You can thank Homosexuals for the AIDS in prison.
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=423454#post423454

Canadians are just crazy friends of terrorist
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=430459#post430459

Rag head children can carry guns/blow themself up
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=430514#post430514

Crazy Muslims
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=432392#post432392

I love the black chic holding the banner Katrina = Genocide, I just call it Gods way of cleaning up the Filth that is new orleans
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=434361#post434361

The People of Texas Voted, and they have spoken. No Gays Shall Marry in the Great State of Texas, afterall, Texans dont wana fork over the huge medical bill that is gona come with the rise of HiV that follows homosexuals
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=439710#post439710

Rhag head Terrorist
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=440014#post440014

Wipe out Islam, you wipe out terrorist, then the world enjoys Peace
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=449517#post449517


Your only hope is republicans, were the only party with morals.
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=406961#post406961

[lemonboy]

Who do you expect him to pick? Rice is good at playing the game of politics and got a good position.

Just wondering, since you are so passionate about this: Are you "Black", or a person of a different race that is an expert on racial issues?Who do I expect him to pick? I honestly don't care. But since you asked... how many other names on his short list might have been black? Were they there because they were qualified or because W wanted to make Joe Six-pack feel like less of a racist? If the latter falls anywhere on their list of "pros" for a candidate, I take issue with that.

I've been thinking about this since I posted the first time, actually. I'm not black. I grew up in a family where race just wasn't an issue though. I guess you could say I grew up in kind of a fog as a result. I'm still surprised every now and then by what people will say about someone just because of their skin color. I'm even more surprised, though, by the number of people in the "majority" that are willing to just sit back and keep their mouths shut. Racism exists because it is allowed to fester, unchallenged.

I find myself passionate about the Condi issue because it's nothing more than a leaking bandaid. Regardless of how qualified she is, I feel she is there to make our society feel better. Just look at Torog. He's not a racist! He loves Condi! Yet, he still makes comments implying that she has reached a summit impassable by the rest of the black community. Then we have folks implying that if all blacks were more like Condi they would be better off. This "tongue-in-cheek" racism does just as much to thwart progress and I find it equally unacceptable.

With as inherently different as we all are it has to be lonely waiting for that whitewashed American utopia.

P.S Tholiak: Looks like someone put you back under your bridge. Finally.

[nicholasstanko]

Interesting...


Many people on this thread seem to be blaming a minority for being born into a society that glorifies material posessions.

Noone seems to realise or care that we're flooded with commercials for things we desperately must have because the government gives corporations all kinds of tax breaks that they can then funnel into marketing.

Add to that neighbourhoods that arent taken care of by the government and the only time the government takes an interest in them is when they're looking for someone to blame for society's problems or for a quick arrest.

Funny, you guys claim that "blacks" should take responsibility and become a liar like condisleeza, when in fact the leaders of your country can't be bothered to take responsibility for their own actions either...hmmm...

Very interesting...

[eg420ne]

your going to get it now nic....LOL

[nicholasstanko]

your going to get it now nic....LOL


interesting....


let's roll!


very interesting...

[bhallg2k]

Condi Rice holds several degrees and should really be referred to as Dr. Rice..she no one's lap-dog or Aunt Tom,she's fought and worked very hard to git towhere she's at today,and so did Colin Powel. Both are highly educated people and they do their own thinking,both have achieved what no other black person ever thought possible..and you have the gall to call them lap-dogs !

Shame on you !

You'd rather glorify a cold-blooded murderer,instead ?

Such..is the lunacy of the Left.

Who the hell said anything about Colin Powell? Twasn't me. Are you sure that's not something in you that has to equate everything together?

I'm gonna let you in on a little secret, buddy. When you're not racist, you can dismiss a black person just as easily as you can a white person. That's true non-discrimination, which is something you obviously haven't grasped.

Condoleezza Rice is a lying-ass lapdog for W, pure and simple. She's just the same as Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Snow and all the rest. Fuck her and fuck them. The whole lot of 'em is decimating this country.

[Fengzi]

While I normally consider Tholiak to be a right wing, racist ass he is on to something here. Take the politics out of the equation and it is people like Condi, Colin Powell, and all the other Black lawyers, doctors, CEO's etc out there that should be role models for the Black community. But instead of being looked up to, they are criticized for selling out and/or becomming nothing more than a white man with black skin. Instead, its the gangster rappers and death row inmates who become models for the community.

And its not just Whites that are pointing this out. Bill Cosby recently gave a speech where he blasted the black community for continuing to raise a new generation of little gangsters stating how parents even start dressing their little 2-3 year olds in gangsta clothing. The main point of his speech was that while the Black community needs to continue to fight against racism and discrimination it needs to realize that its not enough to just say "don't discriminate". Blacks need to stop simply blaming the Whites for their problems and start making the change for themselves and a big part of that is to stop glorifying the gang banger culture. Needless to say, his speech didn't go over too well.

[BlueCat00]

Condoleezza Rice is a lying-ass lapdog for W, pure and simple. She's just the same as Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Snow and all the rest. Fuck her and fuck them. The whole lot of 'em is decimating this country.


I concur...

it has nothing to do with skin color it is the company you keep....

Torog siding with tholiak? He is as racist as you can get.....shame on you
the mods were wise in banning him.

one of my boys wears so called gangsta clothing.....it is just the dress of the day...like bell bottoms in the 60s or black leather in the 50s

It can be very hard for Blacks to make the change for themselves when there is still so much descrimination out there....just look at some of these comments...the playing field is by no means leveled.

[Psycho4Bud]

Torog siding with tholiak? He is as racist as you can get.....shame on you
the mods were wise in banning him.

I hope your just as vocal when SOME dumb asses are putting down the Jews! Or laughing about our people dieing over seas!

They're probably the same people the cried to mods about black comments! :thumbsup:

[lemonboy]

And its not just Whites that are pointing this out. Bill Cosby recently gave a speech where he blasted the black community for continuing to raise a new generation of little gangsters stating how parents even start dressing their little 2-3 year olds in gangsta clothing. The main point of his speech was that while the Black community needs to continue to fight against racism and discrimination it needs to realize that its not enough to just say "don't discriminate". Blacks need to stop simply blaming the Whites for their problems and start making the change for themselves and a big part of that is to stop glorifying the gang banger culture. Needless to say, his speech didn't go over too well.Bill Cosby is an interesting man. He is very talented and I respect him a lot but the idealistic image he has for his people is unrealistic. You can't suppress a lifetime of African culture, years of slavery, and a civil rights movement in an entire people. Like anyone else, they want their own image--their own customs. The "Doctor and Mrs. Huxtable" reality he wants for them I simply think is too narrow-minded for the black community.

Go down to the mall and peruse the various "stupid spoiled whore" stores that cater to 8-11 year old white girls. I mean really. Paris Hilton. If I had a daughter would this be her role model? And what about the boys? Go into an Abercrombie and Fitch and open one of their catalogs. Of course, you'll have to buy one and remove the plastic packaging first to get to the naked women and scenes of guys playing "sports" with each other. Caucasian values, these?

The assumption that one group of people is better than the other. That is racism for you right there.

[Fengzi]

I agree with you about Condoleezza Rice's politics, BlueCat (nice to see you back by the way). When I said Blacks should look up to people like her I meant professional and successful, not Bush scum. People are getting off the subject here. It's not about who is in the Bush administration. It's about the fact that so many Blacks seem to be getting their role models in the wrong places.

You mention leveling the playing field, what does that really mean? I'm a professional working for a distributor of semiconductor manufacturing equipment. In my position I hire, and sometimes fire, people. When I interview someone I look for qualifications. I don't give a rats ass about a person's color, race, sexual prefernce, etc. I want the person who can do the job the best. So, if leveling the plaing field means hiring someone based on their skills without regard to their skin color I am all for it. If, however, "leveling the playing field" means bringing the level down to accommodate those with fewer skills , whatever their color, then forget it.

I honestly don't see that there is so much discrimination out there anymore. At least not soley because of a persons skin color. Maybe it's because I'm out here in California which is so liberal or maybe I'm just blind, but I don't see it. There are a lot of other minorities out there who came here with nothing and they're doing great. Nobody I know would deny a person a job, or anything else, soley because of the color of his or her skin. They would, however, deny that person a professional job if he came in wearing gangsta clothing, speaking in ebonics, and acting like he was still in the ghetto. Is that still discrimination? I don't think so.

[Fengzi]

Bill Cosby is an interesting man. He is very talented and I respect him a lot but the idealistic image he has for his people is unrealistic. You can't suppress a lifetime of African culture, years of slavery, and a civil rights movement in an entire people. Like anyone else, they want their own image--their own customs. The "Doctor and Mrs. Huxtable" reality he wants for them I simply think is too narrow-minded for the black community. .


True, Blacks should not be expected to give up their culture or their own image. At the same time, however, if they want to get out of the ghetto, they have to be willing to leave it behind.




Go down to the mall and peruse the various "stupid spoiled whore" stores that cater to 8-11 year old white girls. I mean really. Paris Hilton. If I had a daughter would this be her role model? And what about the boys? Go into an Abercrombie and Fitch and open one of their catalogs. Of course, you'll have to buy one and remove the plastic packaging first to get to the naked women and scenes of guys playing "sports" with each other. Caucasian values, these?

. I can't agree with you more on this one. I have a two year old little girl and I'm terrified about who she'll be seeing as her role models. What's out there now for any kid, white, black, or brown definitely leaves something to be desired.

[BlueCat00]

Well Fengzi I just came out of the south and racism beleive it or not is alive and well. Take for instance Harrison Arkansas the head quarters for the KKK yes they still exist. Not only do they exist they had the nerve to adopt part of the highway near Fayetteville.....guess where we threw all our garbage?

Harrison still has a sign hanging in their town square that says All Niggers must check in...their are no black people in that town....
we lived in Rogers Arkansas...my son worked for Braums and had a boss that would back away from the counter if blacks came in and would have someone else serve them. My son reported him to headquarters and instead of firing the man they just moved him. So go spend some time in the south and you'll see what I mean.
When I was there I heard a man yell at his kid to get out of the water because he was not to swim with beaners....(mexicans) if you want to see total ignorance just visit a few southern towns.....

You are an educated person of course you would hire on merit..as it should be
just keep in mind as sad as it is you are an exception.

I have met many men that would not hire a person simply because they were of color.
Racism is why I moved my kids from Arkansas. Their school even refused to recognize Martin Luther King's holiday.

[Psycho4Bud]

Kind of back to the topic Blue, what would your feelings be if your son was to use the co-founder of the Crips as a "role model"?

[BlueCat00]

I hope your just as vocal when SOME dumb asses are putting down the Jews! Or laughing about our people dieing over seas!

They're probably the same people the cried to mods about black comments! :thumbsup:
Racism is racism, any race or religion I don't single out anyone. I have not heard anyone LAUGH about our soldiers dying either. Nor have I heard anything anti-semetic.....Stop making trouble where there is none Psycho....

[BlueCat00]

the problem would be my own...not the "crips" if your child is picking his role model from TV or music the problem is in the parenting.

[Psycho4Bud]

Racism is racism, any race or religion I don't single out anyone. I have not heard anyone LAUGH about our soldiers dying either. Nor have I heard anything anti-semetic.....Stop making trouble where there is none Psycho....

So Nicks comments to Breuk "fuck your jew wife all the way back to Israel" or Humpty's constant death to the whites in the middle east are just an illusion or something you find easier to ignore since they "fly the same flag" so to say.

[Psycho4Bud]

the problem would be my own...not the "crips" if your child is picking his role model from TV or music the problem is in the parenting.

LOL...YOU WAIT TILL NICK READS THAT!!! The parents are to busy working all day and getting less than 8 hours sleep to do parenting. Oh, I forgot, the poor bastards don't have heat or running water either!

[BlueCat00]

I never saw those comments...if I had seen that thread I would have said something because I beleive the only thing worse than rasicm is being silent about it.

[Psycho4Bud]

Keep your eyes open and maybe look through some past posts. I'm not starting shit!!! Fact is, SOME people, because of race, are able to go across this board talking shit about a lot of different cultures while others get banned!

Don't get me wrong, I'm with ya! My dad always said there were assholes in all races. SOME in here prove that on regular basis!

[BlueCat00]

oh and BTW this is an excuse -----> The parents are to busy working all day and getting less than 8 hours sleep to do parenting.

I worked my husband worked both my parents worked SO WHAT?

You just have to make the best of your time and learn to turn the TV off and always eat at the table. no exceptions on that rule....

[Psycho4Bud]

oh and BTW this is an excuse -----> The parents are to busy working all day and getting less than 8 hours sleep to do parenting.

I worked my husband worked both my parents worked SO WHAT?

You just have to make the best of your time and learn to turn the TV off and always eat at the table. no exceptions on that rule....

I couldn't agree more!!!! Parents need to take a little responsibility for RAISING their children. Sounds like you got things in hand!! :thumbsup:

By the way...isn't this a nice lil' comment? :confused:

'fraid not, psycho. I wont lie, ive got no love for the jews, especially israelis

[BlueCat00]

The jew part is just plain wrong......but I myself have a problem with Israel....it is sad that the actions of Israel are stirring these feelings in people. They need to understand it is the Israeli government and the US government and not the Jewish people...Our government is creating the problem.

[Psycho4Bud]

The jew part is just plain wrong......but I myself have a problem with Israel....it is sad that the actions of Israel are stirring these feelings in people. They need to understand it is the Israeli government and the US government and not the Jewish people...Our government is creating the problem.

There is wrong on both sides but comments like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made for Israel to be wiped off the map only esculates matters. It's not as if these countries are direct neighbors...shouldn't the Israeli people and government be concerned about their nuclear ambitions?

......a little off topic....

[BlueCat00]

Its not the 1st time that comment has been made by Iran...it was just the 1st time the media hyped it up....I don't think anyone in the Isreal should have Nukes...they are all to hot headed.

[Psycho4Bud]

Its not the 1st time that comment has been made by Iran...it was just the 1st time the media hyped it up....I don't think anyone in the Isreal should have Nukes...they are all to hot headed.

I really don't understand how you can down play the situation with Iran and spin it to Israel. The thing is this, Iran wouldn't mind seeing us dead either!

[Polymirize]

Kind of back to the topic Blue, what would your feelings be if your son was to use the co-founder of the Crips as a "role model"?

In fact, to actually move back to the point, we'd have to talk about a man who has committed (and admitted to) horrible crimes, and has since done everything he can to influence the youth to make better choices than he did.

Surely you agree people can change? Isn't forgiveness what christianity and republican values are reportably based on?

[Breukelen advocaat]

one of my boys wears so called gangsta clothing.....it is just the dress of the day...like bell bottoms in the 60s or black leather in the 50s
It can be very hard for Blacks to make the change for themselves when there is still so much descrimination out there....just look at some of these comments...the playing field is by no means leveled.

It IS gangster clothing.

Kids today are emulating the clothing of urban criminals. The "gansta" clothing is based on the way prisoners look when they are going to prison. The untied shoelaces are a tribute to the untying of shoelaces by police officers when accused, or convicted, criminals are transported to court or jails to make it harder to escape. Similarly, the extremely baggy jeans are a reference to ill-fitting jail clothes.

Boys think that acting, and talking, like urban minority criminals makes them "sexy" to girls, and "tough" to their peers. It's pathetic to see suburbanite kids emulating this scum. In the past, the bell-bottoms were available at Army and Navy stores, then they were made for marketing in regular fashion stores, and other military styles even became popular with the 60's generation. This may have been to give a sense of irony to the war in VietNam - you know, long hair and old army uniforms, or uniform-type clothing, but I think that it was a far better idea than what the kids today are doing. Additionally, military clothing for men and women looks GOOD - it is designed to make people look their best, and garment experts understood this. Leather Jackets are functional, and preferred by motorcycle riders who would rather shed the jacket than their skin in the event of an accident. I don't ride a motorcycle, but I always wear a leather "bomber" jacket when I ride my bicycle in the winter. The "bomber" is also a military style, developed for the air force. I used to have an original one, that I bought used in the late 1960's.

If these middle-class kids really knew what living in the South Bronx, the gutters of Brooklyn, and the communities of other urban enclaves for criminals was really like in the 1970â??s and 80â??s, theyâ??d have a different view of their preferred attire.

[Torog]

Condoleezza Rice is a lying-ass lapdog for W, pure and simple. She's just the same as Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Snow and all the rest. F*ck her and f*ck them. The whole lot of 'em is decimating this country.


I concur...

it has nothing to do with skin color it is the company you keep....

Torog siding with tholiak? He is as racist as you can get.....shame on you
the mods were wise in banning him.

one of my boys wears so called gangsta clothing.....it is just the dress of the day...like bell bottoms in the 60s or black leather in the 50s

It can be very hard for Blacks to make the change for themselves when there is still so much descrimination out there....just look at some of these comments...the playing field is by no means leveled.
Howdy BlueCat,

I sided with Tholiak on this issue..that doesn't mean that I support everything that he says or does.

Bill Cosby..would side with me on this issue..he's already made alot of black folks angry at him for daring to speak up and tell the truth..the one's that he angers,are all liberals who don't believe that anyone should be held accountable for their behaviour..or be judged on the merit of their character.

So..if Sec. of State Rice,was a democrapper..you'd accept her as being a role model ? Or..because of the company that she keeps..all of her accomplishments are for naught ? I brought Colin Powell into this debate,because he's in the same boat as Sec. Rice..none of what he's done in his life-matters to those of y'all who judge others solely by the company they keep..oh well..what can I expect..hard work and good character,are dirty words to the Left.

I hope that those blacks who realize that Bill Cosby's words ring true..and those who realize just how badly black folks like Rice and Powell are being treated by the Left..abandon their plantation mentality and wake up to just how the Left truly feels about them..and place their votes for those who recognize hard work and good character.

BTW, the one who's wearing gangsta clothing..is in danger of becoming a wigger..which is no surprise,given that the Left adores and idolizes a cultural expression that's rife with murderers and gangsters..and he's been inundated with hatred for being guilty of being a white man.

Have a good one....

[Psycho4Bud]

In fact, to actually move back to the point, we'd have to talk about a man who has committed (and admitted to) horrible crimes, and has since done everything he can to influence the youth to make better choices than he did.

I love it when convicted criminals "see the light". It suppose anyone would see the light when the end of the tunnel has the chair waiting.

Surely you agree people can change? Isn't forgiveness what christianity and republican values are reportably based on?

People can change....to bad that he screwed up in such a major way before he did.

As for the "Republican Values", your talkin' to a Libertarian. You'll have to ask Torog for compassion! :thumbsup:

[lemonboy]

BTW, the one who's wearing gangsta clothing..is in danger of becoming a wigger..which is no surprise,given that the Left adores and idolizes a cultural expression that's rife with murderers and gangsters..and he's been inundated with hatred for being guilty of being a white man.Was it just going to take too long to type out "white nigger" or was that just a little bit of "cultural expression" for us?

[Fengzi]

Well Fengzi I just came out of the south and racism beleive it or not is alive and well. Take for instance Harrison Arkansas the head quarters for the KKK yes they still exist. Not only do they exist they had the nerve to adopt part of the highway near Fayetteville.....guess where we threw all our garbage?

Harrison still has a sign hanging in their town square that says All Niggers must check in...their are no black people in that town....
we lived in Rogers Arkansas...my son worked for Braums and had a boss that would back away from the counter if blacks came in and would have someone else serve them. My son reported him to headquarters and instead of firing the man they just moved him. So go spend some time in the south and you'll see what I mean.
When I was there I heard a man yell at his kid to get out of the water because he was not to swim with beaners....(mexicans) if you want to see total ignorance just visit a few southern towns.....

You are an educated person of course you would hire on merit..as it should be
just keep in mind as sad as it is you are an exception.

I have met many men that would not hire a person simply because they were of color.
Racism is why I moved my kids from Arkansas. Their school even refused to recognize Martin Luther King's holiday.

So it's still like that in the South? I actually lived in North Carolina and Florida when I was young and do remember what it was like. I remember when I first moved to California from Florida. I was 15yo and still in high school. I was amazed that the prom queen, a white girl, had a black date for the prom. It didn't bother me, I was raised to believe that what is inside is what counts. It just amazed me though. In Florida it never would have happened, at least not in '85. The guy never would have made it to her door in one piece. Sad. I hoped it had changed in the past 20 years.

So, I admit I may be ignorant about what the rest of the country is like. But it really isn't that way out here. My neighborhood is like the United Nations. There's White Americans, Blacks, Persians, Koreans, Chinese, Hispanics, Russians, Christains, Muslims, Jews, and who knows what else. And this is a good neighborhood where house prices start at $700k. The average corporate boardroom out here is the same.

With such a mix of people , getting ahead really does depend on the person's skills and knowledge. Despite this, even out here it is the predominately Black cities such as Oakland that have the highest crime rates and large numbers of people living in poverty. We still hear the same stories about Blacks being held back, but by what? And what about the whole ebonics thing? I don't know if you remember, or even heard about it, but a few years back some folks in Oakland wanted to recognize ebonics as an official language(or dialect). This was so that teachers wouldn't correct the little black children when they were teaching English. The people pushing for this were the same ones who complain about blacks being held back. So what's the message? I mean, if its wrong to teach Black kids the skills they need to get out of the ghetto how can they complain that they're being held back.

Look, I know what my ancesters did and I'm not proud of it. But, much much the same when talking about Isreal, it has become taboo to say anything negative about the black community and this has to stop if their situation is going to improve. They have to not only accept their positives as positives but their negatives as negative. If we are to open the door for them they have to step through it on their own. And that means they need to stop glorifying the ghetto and gangbanger culture and start looking to successful blacks as role models. Not convicted felons.

[Fengzi]

In fact, to actually move back to the point, we'd have to talk about a man who has committed (and admitted to) horrible crimes, and has since done everything he can to influence the youth to make better choices than he did.

Surely you agree people can change? Isn't forgiveness what christianity and republican values are reportably based on?

So, the correct message to send to kids is that its ok to be a gangbanger and kill people as long as you feel bad about it after you've been caught and the shit has hit the fan. Are you a Catholic by any chance??? :confused:

[Psycho4Bud]

So, the correct message to send to kids is that its ok to be a gangbanger and kill people as long as you feel bad about it after you've been caught and the shit has hit the fan. Are you a Catholic by any chance??? :confused:

Of course it's o.k. It's the governments fault for not providing for grown people so they can sit on their fat asses and deal with nothing but their kids. Don't you dare say different either or you'll be banned!!!

[BlueCat00]

Well without really having to debate much you have already proven my point...I understand and agreed with some of what you were saying up until the name calling part.
You are calling my son blatantly racist names without knowing anything about him except that he wears baggy pants and drunken monkey sweats....you are dead wrong. At 16 he took an interest in Capoeira, Brazilian and Latin culture. He had a strong interest in the Zapatistas and his art reflects this. He is a successful artist living in Central America. He has paintings in NY and several museums in Mexico city. There are a lot of street kids with interests in Capoeira as well so the people he hangs with dress this way. You are pre-judging all kids based on the way they dress and you are dead wrong in doing so.

The clothes don't make the man...the values that have been taught at home do. That is like saying all kids that play violent video games are going to be violent killers...I give kids a little more credit than that.

I think it is rather imature of you to call names.... wigger :rolleyes:
it would be much more construtive if you would spend more time learning why this type pf social deterioration is happening in our country. Why do these kids feel the need to join these gangs, What has happened to the social fabric to cause this?
It is obvious that these young people are hurting... many of them have no families so they form their own.
When young people encounter both personal and institutional racism the risks are increased they will become violent. When groups of people are denied access to power, privileges, and resources, they will often form their own anti-establishment group


A sense of hopelessness can result from being unable to provide for your family. Young people living in poverty may find it difficult to meet basic physical and psychological needs which can lead to a lack of self-worth.
They come from homes where they feel alienated or neglected. Risks increase when the community fails to provide sufficient youth programs or alternatives to violence.

It always amazes me how so many people make claims of being Christian then they show such a total lack of understanding and compassion. Just enough religion in you to know how to hate but never enough to really love.



Instead of blaming an entire race of people and making racist comments maybe you should place your anger where it is due. Educational loans have been cut, foodstamp programs have been cut, medicaid cut, after school programs cut, Conflict resolution programs gone, education and training programs gone, headstart cut, these are all directly related to a youth's positive development.



The infrastructure of this country is crumbling.. Corporate salaries 10 or 15 years ago averaged 20 times the blue collar workers.Now they are 400 times it and the blue collar workers pay has gone down or his jobs has disappeared all together. Blue collar workers have less benefits now. Many have lost their retirement benefits....while corporate fat cats pay themselves millions then want tax payer money to bail them out of bankruptcy. We can't take care of our own youth yet we are building nations in the middle east. Well what about our country? One only has to look at the response to Katrina to see how unprepared we are. They are still pulling dead bodies out of New Orleans for God sake. That would not be happening if it were Beverly hills! And Fema is stopping payments yet we can afford to build nations? Our nation should be first.

There have always been gangs that is nothing new...and there will always be gangs as long as there is this huge gap between the rich and the poor and a society that would rather whine and bitch and call names instead of facing the real problem the inept leadership, and corrupt corporations that are running this country.

[Psycho4Bud]

"The clothes don't make the man...the values that have been taught at home do."

Thats my point completely! It starts at the home. Don't blame corporations and government for your kid being on the streets with a gun...blame yourself! Maybe if some of these PARENTS were to act like PARENTS and get off their asses and walk down to the street corner and drag lil' Jimmy home by his ear they wouldn't think they were so damn bad.
You see it with some of these athletes on TV all the time. Grew up in bad areas full of gangs but either ma or grandama would have kicked their asses if they dropped their schooling and joined the gang. It starts and ends at home! :thumbsup:

[BlueCat00]

Its not that simple....You do have to look at our crumbling infrastructure as well.

Corporate execs making 400 times what the people doing the real work are making...it is disgraceful. There is going to be a blue collar revolt in this country
GM is just the beginning...

[Psycho4Bud]

Its not that simple....You do have to look at our crumbling infrastructure as well.

Corporate execs making 400 times what the people doing the real work are making...it is disgraceful. There is going to be a blue collar revolt in this country
GM is just the beginning...

If it happens it happens. Fact is, Irans President ran under the platform of better distribution of the oil wealth. The people there are STILL living on $200 per month.

Like I said, it's up to the parents to get..and keep their kids off the streets and on the right path. IT'S THEIR FIRST PRIORITY! :thumbsup:

[Breukelen advocaat]

Bold lettering mine.


it would be much more construtive if you would spend more time learning why this type pf social deterioration is happening in our country. Why do these kids feel the need to join these gangs, What has happened to the social fabric to cause this?
The role of the father in the family structure has been destroyed by the courts, radical feminism, and the so-called men that allowed, or helped, this situation to happen

It is obvious that these young people are hurting... many of them have no families so they form their own.
Exactly my point. Fortunately, that trend has been contained a little, lately.

When young people encounter both personal and institutional racism the risks are increased they will become violent. When groups of people are denied access to power, privileges, and resources, they will often form their own anti-establishment group
The personal and institutional racism is often caused by race-based affirmative action, quotas, and other erroneous policies. My wife used to work in the personnel dept. of an investment company. They wanted to hire more minorities, but they hardly even showed up to apply.


A sense of hopelessness can result from being unable to provide for your family. Young people living in poverty may find it difficult to meet basic physical and psychological needs which can lead to a lack of self-worth.
Until you DO some things, you don't deserve "self-worth". It is not something that people are "born" with - it must be attained. Starting a family without the financial means to provide for them is stupid. I didnâ??t do it, and Iâ??m glad. I had of obstacles to overcome,, and didnâ??t turn to violent criminal acts, or create more misery by having kids that I couldn't afford.

They come from homes where they feel alienated or neglected. Risks increase when the community fails to provide sufficient youth programs or alternatives to violence.
The "community" is not responsible for providing these alternatives. We played in the streets, and lived through it. We didnâ??t have "youth programs" back then, and we learned a lot about life, and the real world, without them.

Educational loans have been cut, foodstamp programs have been cut, medicaid cut, after school programs cut, Conflict resolution programs gone, education and training programs gone, headstart cut, these are all directly related to a youth's positive development.
These programs have been cut because they did not work. Every year, New York City has summer jobs for high school-age youth, and most kids wonâ??t even take the jobs. I learned how to go out, get jobs, and work before I was 14, after school & weekends, and got working papers at 14 years old. The kids today wonâ??t do it â?? old men are now delivering the newspapers, and shoveling snow for people in the winter, while youngsters get fat sitting around playing video games (and those are the GOOD ones).

The infrastructure of this country is crumbling.. Corporate salaries 10 or 15 years ago averaged 20 times the blue collar workers.Now they are 400 times it...
I'd like to see where that number comes from. Very few people make even close to 400 times the average blue collar wage. If the "average" blue collar salery is 35 grand a year, then 400 times that is 14 million. A VERY small amount of people make that kind of money.

There have always been gangs that is nothing new...and there will always be gangs as long as there is this huge gap between the rich and the poor and a society that would rather whine and bitch and call names instead of facing the real problem the inept leadership, and corrupt corporations that are running this country.
That's right, blame everybody and everything other than the people that refuse to act responsibly. Big Blue is NOT causing youth to form gangs.

[BlueCat00]

STANFORD GRADUATE SCHOOL OF BUSINESS â?? What do Disney, AT&T, Exxon, and Verizon have in common? Based on economic performance and what they paid their CEOs from 1991-2002, a new academic study argues that all these firms were headed by CEOs who were paid too much.

These firms, say the researchers, are among a group of companies headed by CEOs whose pay is negatively related to job skill: The CEOs seem to be rewardedâ??in most cases, quite amplyâ??for their bad performance. Disney's Michael Eisner, for example, was paid $38 million above the industry average when for three out of six years the company's performance actually declined in relation to other firms in the entertainment industry.

"Lately there have been legitimate concerns about CEO pay," said Stanford Professor Robert Daines. In 1992, the average CEO of an S&P 500 firm earned $2.7 million. By 2000, average pay for these CEOs had increased more than 400 percent, to more than $14 million. When compared to the pay of average workers, the increase is even more dramatic: In 1992, CEOs were paid 82 times the average of blue-collar workers; in 2004, they were paid more than 400 times those salaries.

http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/research/compensation_daines_ceopay.shtml

[Psycho4Bud]

STANFORD GRADUATE SCHOOL OF BUSINESS â?? What do Disney, AT&T, Exxon, and Verizon have in common? Based on economic performance and what they paid their CEOs from 1991-2002, a new academic study argues that all these firms were headed by CEOs who were paid too much.

These firms, say the researchers, are among a group of companies headed by CEOs whose pay is negatively related to job skill: The CEOs seem to be rewardedâ??in most cases, quite amplyâ??for their bad performance. Disney's Michael Eisner, for example, was paid $38 million above the industry average when for three out of six years the company's performance actually declined in relation to other firms in the entertainment industry.

"Lately there have been legitimate concerns about CEO pay," said Stanford Professor Robert Daines. In 1992, the average CEO of an S&P 500 firm earned $2.7 million. By 2000, average pay for these CEOs had increased more than 400 percent, to more than $14 million. When compared to the pay of average workers, the increase is even more dramatic: In 1992, CEOs were paid 82 times the average of blue-collar workers; in 2004, they were paid more than 400 times those salaries.

http://www.gsb.stanford.edu/news/research/compensation_daines_ceopay.shtml

And this is the reason why ma and pa can't get off their asses and get lil' Gary gang-bang off the street corner. GET REAL!! :smokin:

[BlueCat00]

I said I agree with a lot of what was said...what I DO NOT agree with and think was uncalled for was calling my son names without knowing the first thing about him.

It does always come back to the home and family....but if the family structure in not there it benefits everyone to repair it.
So what would YOU do, incarcerate or kill them all? We already have 1/2 a generation of kids in jail for simple possession....Our privatize prisons are a business after all....

You can call it *blaming* the government all you want. I call it opening your eyes.
I just don't understand you people and your continued support of a failed administration

You're the ones making excuses for a inept leadership.

[Psycho4Bud]

I said I agree with a lot of what was said...what I DO NOT agree with and think was uncalled for was calling my son names without knowing the first thing about him.

It does always come back to the home and family....but if the family structure in not there it benefits everyone to repair it.
So what would YOU do, incarcerate or kill them all? We already have 1/2 a generation of kids in jail for simple possession....Our privatize prisons are a business after all....

You can call it *blaming* the government all you want. I call it opening your eyes.
I just don't understand you people and your continued support of a failed administration

You're the ones making excuses for a inept leadership.

There are things with this administration that I agree with and there are things that I don't. I'm Libertarian...I don't really believe that the governments job is to take care of poor folks that have no drive to even raise their own children in a respectful manner.

As for your son, from our discussions it sounds like you did a fine job and I'm sure he IS a fine young man. By the sounds of his accomplishments, you should be proud!! Not only of him but of the job YOU and YOUR SPOUSE did!! :thumbsup:

Oh, how would I handle it? I think New Orleans was an eye opener for all of us. Something must be done concerning these kids. I still say, they won't shoot ma, pa, grandma..whatever. It needs to start there!! :thumbsup:

[BlueCat00]

no Psycho it is part of the reason. When they are paying themselves so much that they are sucking this country dry. When they pay themselves so much that they are driving the company toward bankruptcy. When they cut thousands of jobs but not their own pay. Tell me what fucking job deserves to go from 82 times the average of blue-collar workers salary; to more than 400 times those salaries.
If the jobs are not there people get desperate crime goes up, drug use goes up, families fracture. It not a really hard concept to understand.

You can also thank Bush's lack of support for birth control as well....that is another program that has been cut. Medicaid no longer covers birth control. Hey but they hand out abstinance flyers at family services. We all know how well that works.

But we got to have more little soldiers for all this nation building we will be doing for who knows how many years....keep the babies coming.

[Psycho4Bud]

no Psycho it is part of the reason. When they are paying themselves so much that they are sucking this country dry. When they pay themselves so much that they are driving the company toward bankruptcy. When they cut thousands of jobs but not their own pay. Tell me what fucking job deserves to go from 82 times the average of blue-collar workers salary; to more than 400 times those salaries.
If the jobs are not there people get desperate crime goes up, drug use goes up, families fracture. It not a really hard concept to understand.

I hear where you comin' from but there will be a time again when the unions return to strength and this type of mismanagement will be dealt with on a nation wide level. GMs bigcats (no offense intended.. LOL) don't make money when ALL the plants are out on strike. But bottom line, parents need to act like parents first and formost!

You can also thank Bush's lack of support for birth control as well....that is another program that has been cut. Medicaid no longer covers birth control. Hey but they hand out abstinance flyers at family services. We all know how well that works.

Medicaid paid for birth control?????????? DAMN! I'm sorry but if ya can't afford the rubber....well.....pull and shoot, anal, a hummer..... Don't mean to be rude but why should the government be responsible for our sex lives? I didn't think we wanted uncle sam in the bedroom?

But we got to have more little soldiers for all this nation building we will be doing for who knows how many years....keep the babies coming.

Different prophets predicted a 20 war....maybe this is it...who knows? HOPEFULLY NOT!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:

[Polymirize]

Psycho, maybe you should just clarify your libertarian position then. Most of the libertarians I've met are much more stable. So you believe in free will and in maximizing and individuals rights. right? how do you apply it? How do you then justify oppression, be it of the third world, or just kids who choose to dress differently? Help me understand where you're coming from position wise...

[BlueCat00]

So you think paying to raise unwanted children would be easier than paying for birth control or do you think you are going to slap them on the wrist and say keep it in your pants if you can't afford a baby? GET REAL.

[Psycho4Bud]

Psycho, maybe you should just clarify your libertarian position then. Most of the libertarians I've met are much more stable. So you believe in free will and in maximizing and individuals rights. right? how do you apply it? How do you then justify oppression, be it of the third world, or just kids who choose to dress differently? Help me understand where you're coming from position wise...

I don't give a rats ass how kids dress. I was into long hair and hippie clothing, my kid was more into the punk scene. The appearance don't matter, just as long as their not carrying weapons, threatening innocent people on the street, etc..... Don't judge a book by it's cover!

As far as my political stance...LOL...hey Blue, remember this? LOL
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=28346&highlight=vote

[Psycho4Bud]

So you think paying to raise unwanted children would be easier than paying for birth control or do you think you are going to slap them on the wrist and say keep it in your pants if you can't afford a baby? GET REAL.

LOL...I did give alternative methods. I hear ya but I just don't want the Government in ANY part of my bedroom. If ya open the door for one item, it opens the door for everything!

[BlueCat00]

LMAO thanks for that! I had forgotten all about it. :D :D
Great thread!!!:dance:

[BlueCat00]

;) well on that up note....I'm turning in for the night...

it is sure nice being back. I love our lively debates...

good night Psycho. I like your new avatar. :)

good night fellow stoners...:smokin:

[Psycho4Bud]

Very cool lady! One last "J" and I'm out myself! :thumbsup:

:rasta: Don't bogart that joint, my friends
Pass it over to me!!!! :rasta:

[pisshead]

Psycho, maybe you should just clarify your libertarian position then. Most of the libertarians I've met are much more stable. So you believe in free will and in maximizing and individuals rights. right? how do you apply it? How do you then justify oppression, be it of the third world, or just kids who choose to dress differently? Help me understand where you're coming from position wise...this fool is not a libertarian, are you kidding? i think that's a joke when he calls himself a libertarian...

he is the diametric opposite of every libertarian i know...maybe he needs to at least understand what the party stands for...cause he don't fit in that well, and i know lots of libertarians...

maybe he's the new totalitarian libertarian branch...

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Well I'm about to get sick
From watchin' my TV
Been checkin' out the news
Until my eyeballs fail to see
I mean to say that every day
Is just another rotten mess
And when it's gonna change, my friend
Is anybody's guess

So I'm watchin' and I'm waitin'
Hopin' for the best
Even think I'll go to prayin'
Every time I hear 'em sayin'
That there's no way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
No way to delay
That trouble comin' every day

Wednesday I watched the riot . . .
Seen the cops out on the street
Watched 'em throwin' rocks and stuff
And chokin' in the heat
Listened to reports
About the whisky passin' 'round
Seen the smoke and fire
And the market burnin' down
Watched while everybody
On his street would take a turn
To stomp and smash and bash and crash
And slash and bust and burn

And I'm watchin' and I'm waitin'
Hopin' for the best
Even think I'll go to prayin'
Every time I hear 'em sayin'
That there's no way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
No way to delay
That trouble comin' every day

Well, you can cool it,
You can heat it . . .
'Cause, baby, I don't need it . . .
Take your TV tube and eat it
'N all that phony stuff on sports
'N all the unconfirmed reports
You know I watched that rotten box
Until my head begin to hurt
From checkin' out the way
The newsman say they get the dirt
Before the guys on channel so-and-so

And further they assert
That any show they'll interrupt
To bring you news if it comes up
They say that if the place blows up
They will be the first to tell,
Because the boys they got downtown
Are workin' hard and doin' swell,
And if anybody gets the news
Before it hits the street,
They say that no one blabs it faster
Their coverage can't be beat

And if another woman driver
Gets machine-gunned from her seat
They'll send some joker with a brownie
And you'll see it all complete

So I'm watchin' and I'm waitin'
Hopin' for the best
Even think I'll go to prayin'
Every time I hear 'em sayin'
That there's no way to delay
That trouble comin' every day
No way to delay
That trouble comin' every day

Hey, you know something people?
I'm not black
But there's a whole lots a times
I wish I could say I'm not white

Well, I seen the fires burnin'
And the local people turnin'
On the merchants and the shops
Who used to sell their brooms and mops
And every other household item
Watched the mob just turn and bite 'em
And they say it served 'em right
Because a few of them were white,
And it's the same across the nation
Black and white discrimination
Yellin' "You can't understand me!"
'N all that other jazz they hand me
In the papers and TV
And all that mass stupidity
That seems to grow more every day
Each time you hear some nitwit say
He wants to go and do you in
Because the color of your skin
Just don't appeal to him
(No matter if it's black or white)
Because he's out for blood tonight

You know we got to sit around at home
And watch this thing begin
But I bet there won't be many live
To see it really end
'Cause the fire in the street
Ain't like the fire in the heart
And in the eyes of all these people
Don't you know that this could start
On any street in any town
In any state if any clown
Decides that now's the time to fight
For some ideal he thinks is right
And if a million more agree
There ain't no Great Society
As it applies to you and me
Our country isn't free
And the law refuse to see
If all that you can ever be
Is just a lousy janitor
Unless your uncle owns the store
You know that five in every four
Just won't amount to nothin' more
Than watch the rats go across the floor
And make up songs about being poor

Blow your harmonica, son!

[Psycho4Bud]

this fool is not a libertarian, are you kidding? i think that's a joke when he calls himself a libertarian...

he is the diametric opposite of every libertarian i know...maybe he needs to at least understand what the party stands for...cause he don't fit in that well, and i know lots of libertarians...

maybe he's the new totalitarian libertarian branch...

Well I guess if being a Libertarian means you have to be a paranoid lil' bitch....like yourself....well, maybe I'm not! :thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

Here's the site for the Libertarian platform:
http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml

Much of this I agree with and some of it I don't. I find it amazing that some dumb ass like Pissy can make statements about my political party affiliations when he repeatedly states he has me on "ignore".

Well folks beware, unless you are willing to drop to your knees and suck ol' Alex Jones dick like pissy, YOU TO ARE A NEO-CON!!! :thumbsup:

[Fengzi]

Its not that simple....You do have to look at our crumbling infrastructure as well.

Corporate execs making 400 times what the people doing the real work are making...it is disgraceful. There is going to be a blue collar revolt in this country
GM is just the beginning...

This is one of the few times were I find you to be 100% wrong Bluecat. Anyone who says that corporate execs are not doing "real work" is either jealous, ignorant, or both. I'm a white collar worker but would hardly consider myself a corporate exec. My father, on the other hand, is a Vice President at a large company in the Semiconductor Industry. Definitely a corporate exec.

For the better part of my childhood my father was away on business. First throughout the U.S. and then the rest of the world. Now my father is 59 years old. A typical day for him involves leaving the house around 6:00, getting home around 8:00, then getting back on the phone to colleages in Asia until about 10:00. If he's lucky he can leave his desk for a least one meal a day. Weekends are typically spent working as well. Overall I'd say he puts in about 90 hrs a week. He has travelled to Asia four times in the last three months. I'm 35 and one of those trips beats the shit out of me. I can't imagine getting home from one and having to get back on the plane a week later.

Then there's the mental stress. He has about 250 people who report directly to him and his decisions effect not only his job but their jobs as well. Thta's not mentioning the poeple who don't report directly to him or the thousands of people who have many $ invested in the company. He has had to fire good friends and expectant fathers. This all takes a very heavy mental toll on him. I have seen him on the weekend looking ragged and my mother tells me its because he hasn't slept all week because Friday he had to lay so and so off. I have also seen my father in the ICU after a triple bypass which he needed despite the fact that he eats very healthy and is in generally good physical shape. The docs said it was most likeley stress that led to it.

So yeah, my father is a corporate exec who earns a shitload of money. But he earns every god damn penny of it. Anyone who thinks otherwise can fuck off.

[amsterdam]

This is one of the few times were I find you to be 100% wrong Bluecat. Anyone who says that corporate execs are not doing "real work" is either jealous, ignorant, or both. I'm a white collar worker but would hardly consider myself a corporate exec. My father, on the other hand, is a Vice President at a large company in the Semiconductor Industry. Definitely a corporate exec.

For the better part of my childhood my father was away on business. First throughout the U.S. and then the rest of the world. Now my father is 59 years old. A typical day for him involves leaving the house around 6:00, getting home around 8:00, then getting back on the phone to colleages in Asia until about 10:00. If he's lucky he can leave his desk for a least one meal a day. Weekends are typically spent working as well. Overall I'd say he puts in about 90 hrs a week. He has travelled to Asia four times in the last three months. I'm 35 and one of those trips beats the shit out of me. I can't imagine getting home from one and having to get back on the plane a week later.

Then there's the mental stress. He has about 250 people who report directly to him and his decisions effect not only his job but their jobs as well. Thta's not mentioning the poeple who don't report directly to him or the thousands of people who have many $ invested in the company. He has had to fire good friends and expectant fathers. This all takes a very heavy mental toll on him. I have seen him on the weekend looking ragged and my mother tells me its because he hasn't slept all week because Friday he had to lay so and so off. I have also seen my father in the ICU after a triple bypass which he needed despite the fact that he eats very healthy and is in generally good physical shape. The docs said it was most likeley stress that led to it.

So yeah, my father is a corporate exec who earns a shitload of money. But he earns every god damn penny of it. Anyone who thinks otherwise can fuck off.


You are a Capitalist!! Right on..

[nicholasstanko]

So Nicks comments to Breuk "fuck your jew wife all the way back to Israel" or Humpty's constant death to the whites in the middle east are just an illusion or something you find easier to ignore since they "fly the same flag" so to say.

interesting...

you have seriously misquoted me. you can look up my quote if you'd like.

im not going to bother to do so for you.

and id like to read one of these so-called death threats that hempity made.

very interesting...

[nicholasstanko]

Keep your eyes open and maybe look through some past posts. I'm not starting shit!!! Fact is, SOME people, because of race, are able to go across this board talking shit about a lot of different cultures while others get banned!

Don't get me wrong, I'm with ya! My dad always said there were assholes in all races. SOME in here prove that on regular basis!


interesting...

so explain to me how jews are a separate race in today's society.


very interesting...

[nicholasstanko]

oh and BTW this is an excuse -----> The parents are to busy working all day and getting less than 8 hours sleep to do parenting.

I worked my husband worked both my parents worked SO WHAT?

You just have to make the best of your time and learn to turn the TV off and always eat at the table. no exceptions on that rule....


interesting...


i disagree with that.

we arent talking about regular 9 to 5's and flopping down in front of a television at the end of the day.

we're talking about on average...two jobs that start at like six in the morning and the day finishes at like ten at night.

however, it would be an excuse if they were unemployed and just collected welfare all day.

very interesting...

[Psycho4Bud]

interesting...

so explain to me how jews are a separate race in today's society.


very interesting...

Oh, so the Jews should be in the same catagory as the whites where anything goes, but better watch the tongue concerning blacks and latinos.

very interesting.........

[nicholasstanko]

I couldn't agree more!!!! Parents need to take a little responsibility for RAISING their children. Sounds like you got things in hand!! :thumbsup:

By the way...isn't this a nice lil' comment? :confused:

'fraid not, psycho. I wont lie, ive got no love for the jews, especially israelis


interesting...

it's true. but not particularly racist. i also dont have love for the chinese as well.

it's not due to hate, it's because i wont shed any tears when they cling to their ways in order to preserve it but in a multicultural society, it causes rifts.

just as blue said, silent racism is alot worse than racism.


i got fired from my job by my boss who happened to be jewish because he said i had no work ethic.

considering that i usually worked overtime with no extra pay, i find that hard to believe.

a jewish person was later hired in my place.

at my university, the chinese students form all kinds of clubs but anyone who isnt chinese is strongly discouraged, even intimidated into not trying to join.


you may kindly ask me to explain my words before you carry on a rumour mill with another poster.


very interesting...

[nicholasstanko]

I really don't understand how you can down play the situation with Iran and spin it to Israel. The thing is this, Iran wouldn't mind seeing us dead either!


interesting...

because of course your country's arrogance and bullying has nothing to do with it...


very interesting...

[Fengzi]

Oh, so the Jews should be in the same catagory as the whites where anything goes, but better watch the tongue concerning blacks and latinos.

very interesting.........

So, how would Sammy Davis Jr. fit in to this equation :confused:

[nicholasstanko]

This is one of the few times were I find you to be 100% wrong Bluecat. Anyone who says that corporate execs are not doing "real work" is either jealous, ignorant, or both. I'm a white collar worker but would hardly consider myself a corporate exec. My father, on the other hand, is a Vice President at a large company in the Semiconductor Industry. Definitely a corporate exec.

For the better part of my childhood my father was away on business. First throughout the U.S. and then the rest of the world. Now my father is 59 years old. A typical day for him involves leaving the house around 6:00, getting home around 8:00, then getting back on the phone to colleages in Asia until about 10:00. If he's lucky he can leave his desk for a least one meal a day. Weekends are typically spent working as well. Overall I'd say he puts in about 90 hrs a week. He has travelled to Asia four times in the last three months. I'm 35 and one of those trips beats the shit out of me. I can't imagine getting home from one and having to get back on the plane a week later.

Then there's the mental stress. He has about 250 people who report directly to him and his decisions effect not only his job but their jobs as well. Thta's not mentioning the poeple who don't report directly to him or the thousands of people who have many $ invested in the company. He has had to fire good friends and expectant fathers. This all takes a very heavy mental toll on him. I have seen him on the weekend looking ragged and my mother tells me its because he hasn't slept all week because Friday he had to lay so and so off. I have also seen my father in the ICU after a triple bypass which he needed despite the fact that he eats very healthy and is in generally good physical shape. The docs said it was most likeley stress that led to it.

So yeah, my father is a corporate exec who earns a shitload of money. But he earns every god damn penny of it. Anyone who thinks otherwise can fuck off.


interesting...

so can you please explain further why your father deserves more than say....five million a year?

he works hard, yes we know. but from behind a desk.

in fact, that isnt even really important.

how can anybody justify making so much money and cutting thousands of jobs as a result?

his huge salary is almost entirely indebted to the hard work of thousands "below" him.


very interesting...

[nicholasstanko]

Oh, so the Jews should be in the same catagory as the whites where anything goes, but better watch the tongue concerning blacks and latinos.

very interesting.........


interesting...

i never said that. the entire thread is about the situation different ethnicites are subjugated into.


very interesting...

[Fengzi]

interesting...

so can you please explain further why your father deserves more than say....five million a year?

he works hard, yes we know. but from behind a desk.

in fact, that isnt even really important.

how can anybody justify making so much money and cutting thousands of jobs as a result?

his huge salary is almost entirely indebted to the hard work of thousands "below" him.


very interesting...

Fuck you Nich! First of all, my father makes no where near $5million a year, maybe $750K on a really good year but that's it. And he wasn't born rich, his parents were poor Hungarian immigrants. He worked his ass off to get to where he is now. So what if it's behind a desk, does that make it any easier? I worked my way through college doing various manual labor jobs and I can tell you from experience, even though I work behind a desk now, its a hell of a lot harder. The reason people can become top execs and make a ton of money is because they have talent. You obviously don't have that type of talent. Boo fucking hoo for you. It ain't my problem or my fathers!

[nicholasstanko]

Fuck you Nich! First of all, my father makes no where near $5million a year, maybe $750K on a really good year but that's it. And he wasn't born rich, his parents were poor Hungarian immigrants. He worked his ass off to get to where he is now. So what if it's behind a desk, does that make it any easier? I worked my way through college doing various manual labor jobs and I can tell you from experience, even though I work behind a desk now, its a hell of a lot harder. The reason people can become top execs and make a ton of money is because they have talent. You obviously don't have that type of talent. Boo fucking hoo for you. It ain't my problem or my fathers!


interesting...

i didnt mean to offend you. i was only trying to understand where you're coming from.

is this animosity really justified?

you're one of the more sensible posters, im really pretty shocked at your outrage towards me.

i apologise.

very interesting....

[Fengzi]

interesting...

i didnt mean to offend you. i was only trying to understand where you're coming from.

is this animosity really justified?

you're one of the more sensible posters, im really pretty shocked at your outrage towards me.

i apologise.

very interesting....

Sorry that I freaked out a bit Nich. This has been a touchy issue with me for a while now. I had an old girlfriend who's father was a real loser and who had a shitty life solely due to his own actions. This guy, despite the fact that he never actually met my father, could never resist making a crack about my "fat cat, big shot" father and how he didn't have a "real job". It eventually got to a point where I couldn't take it any more and gave the guy a verbal lashing that pretty much resulted in my girlfriend and me breaking up.

Ever since I get really worked up when I hear people talking about how execs with cushy jobs don't deserve the money they get. Like I already mentioned, I have seen the toll, both physical and mental, my father's job has taken on him. I can't say this about all top execs but the ones who I've met really do work their asses off. Maybe it's with their mind and not a hammer but it is still hard, hard work.

The bottom line is that those people who can get ahead and make this type of money do it because they have some type of ability that others don't. I don't have it, I know I'll never make it out of middle management, but I can't fault those that do for my shortcomings. The other thing to keep in mind is that the abilities of those top execs really do help to create the jobs of all of those working under them. They are the ones steering the ship, make the right turn and evryone gets a raise. Make the wrong turn the ship runs aground and everyone is out of a job. We all hear those stories about how so and so laid off a thousand people and then collected a huge bonus but that's few and far between. And don't think that the execs are immune from lay offs either. Even as a VP of Sales my Father was laid off from one company due to downsizing.

Anyhow, sorry again for going overboard. Just remember that its not all peaches and cream at the top.

[nicholasstanko]

Sorry that I freaked out a bit Nich. This has been a touchy issue with me for a while now. I had an old girlfriend who's father was a real loser and who had a shitty life solely due to his own actions. This guy, despite the fact that he never actually met my father, could never resist making a crack about my "fat cat, big shot" father and how he didn't have a "real job". It eventually got to a point where I couldn't take it any more and gave the guy a verbal lashing that pretty much resulted in my girlfriend and me breaking up.

Ever since I get really worked up when I hear people talking about how execs with cushy jobs don't deserve the money they get. Like I already mentioned, I have seen the toll, both physical and mental, my father's job has taken on him. I can't say this about all top execs but the ones who I've met really do work their asses off. Maybe it's with their mind and not a hammer but it is still hard, hard work.

The bottom line is that those people who can get ahead and make this type of money do it because they have some type of ability that others don't. I don't have it, I know I'll never make it out of middle management, but I can't fault those that do for my shortcomings. The other thing to keep in mind is that the abilities of those top execs really do help to create the jobs of all of those working under them. They are the ones steering the ship, make the right turn and evryone gets a raise. Make the wrong turn the ship runs aground and everyone is out of a job. We all hear those stories about how so and so laid off a thousand people and then collected a huge bonus but that's few and far between. And don't think that the execs are immune from lay offs either. Even as a VP of Sales my Father was laid off from one company due to downsizing.

Anyhow, sorry again for going overboard. Just remember that its not all peaches and cream at the top.

interesting...

thanks for the heads-up :thumbsup:

let's enjoy a blunt and give thanks for being alive to enjoy it.

very interesting...

[andruejaysin]

Back to the original question, yeah, Tookie is a murderer, so is every great man who ever lived. WSCFL

[BlueCat00]

No one ever said you or your father does not work hard Fengzi...so please don't put words in my mouth.

What was said is the Corp exec are not raising the pay of the blue collar workers but they manage to give themselves huge salaries. This is hurting our country.
Explain why it is ok for the corp exec to go from making 87 times the blue collar workers salary to 400 x in less than 5 years and at the same time cutting jobs and benefits.