Zandor My new project ULTRASONIC

[litespeed]

FOG GENERATOR,,,Any Tips welcome thanks.
Fogging for clones and plants
I bought the units from drug store $6.00 each for the breathing machine and have a compresser set at 4 Lb. with 3 filters, on two plants and it looks like there doing well, well keep on playing with it, use hydroponic normal routine nutrient program. the fog comes in from the side and bottem of the tray, recycle right back into the unit. they will be going on 12/12 in the next few days.

[Zandor]

Intresting!!!

I have seen fog grows before and they have done great. I'll see if I can find the link to a fog system built for growing. keep a good thread going that may be the next big thing in growing.

[Garden Knowm]

YEs, I saw one of these systems at a hydro show.. and I saw one at a hydro store..

can you post some good pics..?

: )

[RUKind]

fog growing huh? sounds cool...please post some pics. isnt this the same as an aeroponic mist? is the fog confined to the root zone? :confused: :confused:

[Zandor]

Here are a few links you may find intresting.

http://www.altgarden.com/site/irrigation/htmldocs/ultrafog.html

http://www.greenair.com/fogger.htm

http://www.shirafrapa.com/eng/product.html

http://www.nutramist.com

[Garden Knowm]

I have seen the nutramis in action...

very cool!!

[Gen]

I am a new grower. I got brown spots on the leaves of seedlings with the fogger. I used a rubbermaid container with 1/2" hose to pipe the mist from the humidifier to the root zone. My plants are seedlings. I adjusted my ph, used r/o water and am using GH 3 part nutrients. I used net pots and clay pellets. I bought a ultrasonic humidifier from Walmart ($30). I ran the humidifier only during the day.

Zandor, you are a great wizard. Thank you for all your help.

[Zandor]

Gen you are welcome. You should try your fogger system with no rocks. Make some plugs or get them from eBay and grow with no medium. Use a 2" net pot with just a plug or no net pot at all.

[Gen]

Zandor, what kind of plugs should I use? Does the fogger also evaporate the nutrients?
I am also interested in the bakearound glass bowls for the lights. I could not find any
such creature on ebay.

Thanks

[syrrus]

Yeah when using ultrasonic fogger it'll vibrate at such a high rate that it'll basically kickup all the nutrient solutions so it mists the roots and allows for absolutely optimal root and plant growth. The problem with the 360 degree microsprayers is it doesn't do as good of a job of nutrient distribution and requires more effort to construct. With fog its just a simple drop in turn on smoke up.

[lemonboy]

Gen: Bake-a-rounds on eBay (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2 F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=bake-a-round&category0=).

[Zandor]

Zandor, what kind of plugs should I use? Does the fogger also evaporate the nutrients?
I am also interested in the bakearound glass bowls for the lights. I could not find any
such creature on ebay.

Thanks
The plugs are foam rubber ones. here (http://cgi.ebay.com/20-Water-proof-plugs-for-your-Aero-Cloner_W0QQitemZ7727867314QQcategoryZ43555QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
You should contact him and ask for his 2" plugs I think he sells them for a buck each or maybe less. Tell him I sent you and he better give you a break.....hehehe

For
Bake A rounds you typ the search as "Bake A Round" like that it works.

[Gen]

When I tried the fogger, I cut 9 holes in a rubbermaid container, 3 rows each. I used 2 inch net pots and clay pellets. The seedlings in the middle row seemed to do better than the ones growing around the edges. I thought the fog would get to all of them evenly. The plants around the edges of the container developed brown spots around the leaf edge. They also seemed to wilt faster than the ones in the middle.

[turtle420]

When I tried the fogger, I cut 9 holes in a rubbermaid container, 3 rows each. I used 2 inch net pots and clay pellets. The seedlings in the middle row seemed to do better than the ones growing around the edges. I thought the fog would get to all of them evenly. The plants around the edges of the container developed brown spots around the leaf edge. They also seemed to wilt faster than the ones in the middle.

Interesting....

Did you try installing a small PC-type fan in the container? So it moves the fog around?

Also, I don't know how you did it, but I've been thinking, that for my grow, I'll place something on the bottom of the container/tub... so the roots don't sit 100% against the bottom... I guess I'll build a 1" diameter PVC pipe grid... I think it'll help move the fog under the roots...

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:

[Gen]

No, I did not have a fan in the container. There was plenty of fog in there. So thick I couldn't see the bottom. I had fog coming up through the net pots. A manufacturer of ultrasonic foggers said this was okay. I did have roots growing out of the net pots. I didn't want the roots sitting in water so I drained off any liquid that collected at the bottom. The problems I had probably have to do with the nutrients. I am using a pretty deep container so the roots weren't anywhere near the water.

[turtle420]

I am using a pretty deep container so the roots weren't anywhere near the water.

That's a question I had...

When you say deep container... 2 feet hight? Do you think a Rubbermaid trash can/container would work?

Why do you think the problems you had came from the nutrients?

Do you mean, that the didn't mix well? Or that ... ??

Just very interested in your experience...

Thanks,

-turtle420 :cool:

[Gen]

The rubbermaid container is 16" deep. I would think any container would work. As long as the roots have plenty of fog. The plants on the edges might not have been getting enough fog because they were near the edges of the container. The net pots were placed 2 inches from the edge.

Being a newbie, I mixed the nutrient 100% strength. In the beginning I used GH dry nutrients for leaf growth. I have since switched to liquid GH 3 part and calmag plus per Zandor's wisdom. Fogging manufacturers recommend 50% strength. The ultrasonic fogger I used (from Walmart) warned about not adding ANYTHING to the water. They also add a demineralization cartridge to the unit. After two weeks I bailed. The plants were not doing as well as the ones I grew in dirt. The plants just sort of sat there and didn't grow.

[Zandor]

Well Gen glad to here your plants are doing better.

You did not have the proper fogger/mister for plant growing. I assume yours heated the water to some point. Home units are not the same as the ones you use for growing plants.

The units for growing plants vibrate at about 2 meg and they don't heat the water and they do break down the nutrients. You do use less strength nutrients because the plants don't work as hard to drink up nutrients with fogger systems.

Well I'm glad to hear you plants are doing fine now.

[Gen]

Heat was not a problem with this set up. The fog was cool. I never did check the ph of the nutrients after it came out of the fogger and collected on the bottom. I just wasn't sure about the demineralization cartridge and what that did to the fog produced. I didn't like having to watch it all the time. The reservoir held two gallons of water and did not have an automatic shut off function. Since the instructions warned not to add anything to the water I just envisioned it failing sooner than later. I also did not like the instructions for cleaning the darn thing.

[litespeed]

Zandor
DC to AC
5 Aims DC/AC Power Inverter 5000 Watt have not hook in...
dc welding machine
Input Current @ Rated Output: AC: 95/86/43A
DC: 75/68/34A

Output Range: AC: 35-300 A DC: 40-250A
On the AC side The MH work real good, separate ignitors,,,It has a voltage regulator. but having to work with the HPS it is not right yet, and not runing. one day I hope soon. working to cut the power bill, so it has One main Ballast not a bunch... when it comes on it kicks up a little and then falls back, my MH are pulling about 185 VAC and are on full power that is the same as what comes off the ballast. The welder has a voltage regulator you can set the reg. to what you want, and I have one for MH one for HPS, from what I'm seeing one type of light has a little more pull to it then the other I just put the OHM
instrument to the (IN come power) and itis only 103vac
and 206vac so that is B S from the power Co. and I kicked the welder to 120 vac and omg what a different
like a dimmer on a car... know I mite get some palce,

[Zandor]

MH don't have igniters they use capacitors, only HPS have capacitors and igniters just FYI.

The start up voltage is higher then the opperating voltage as well.

[litespeed]

I ment capacitors sorry

[litespeed]

they are 24uF 400vac INT RES 0.99MEG OHM

[litespeed]

http://www.rexresearch.com/hhusb/hh4bot.htm

I have been working with this since 2001 and so far it has come up real good,
I have plants that are heavy with thc, heavier then THC Laboratories (sex) and trying to get seed from them, have killed some in learning to get seed. I'm just wornder if I put into a little shock if i can get it to go male/hermie
and let it come to flower that way, dose this sound good to you. some thing is not right with the 'chemical' on this plants, it is not taking it, like the rest do. do you have any ideas?

[starmark]

I am a new grower. I got brown spots on the leaves of seedlings with the fogger. I used a rubbermaid container with 1/2" hose to pipe the mist from the humidifier to the root zone. My plants are seedlings. I adjusted my ph, used r/o water and am using GH 3 part nutrients. I used net pots and clay pellets. I bought a ultrasonic humidifier from Walmart ($30). I ran the humidifier only during the day.

Zandor, you are a great wizard. Thank you for all your help.
yo,gen....if you only ran the humidifier during the day your plants are getting to dry at night

[Zandor]

http://www.rexresearch.com/hhusb/hh4bot.htm

I have been working with this since 2001 and so far it has come up real good,
I have plants that are heavy with thc, heavier then THC Laboratories (sex) and trying to get seed from them, have killed some in learning to get seed. I'm just wornder if I put into a little shock if i can get it to go male/hermie
and let it come to flower that way, dose this sound good to you. some thing is not right with the 'chemical' on this plants, it is not taking it, like the rest do. do you have any ideas?
Hot temperature for extended period of time make a hermie. You don't have a Male to harvest pollen from? That's how you make seeds, you don't want hermie seeds unless you are trying to make feminized seeds.


That manual sounds a little like the same old stuff Clarks wrote in the 60's. I have not read it all, so I can only assume he has fix the errors that were in his data. Once the errors are fixed a lot of his conclusions are no longer valid.
I hope he clairfied them anyway.

[litespeed]

I was going to try something different, I can back cross it with it daddy, this will be the 6th back cross with this plant on this side it is ever stable at this point. will see what will happen this time.I have pollen from ( herojuana Hillbilly Dreams). I think it is an F2 That been in the cold for 90 days. it is herojuana or it daddy. herojuana was used on the 3rd cross about a year ago.

[Gen]

Well, the plants were not wilted when I looked in on them in the morning. I didn't turn
the fog off till it was dark.

[turtle420]

Well, the plants were not wilted when I looked in on them in the morning. I didn't turn
the fog off till it was dark.

Gen,

Can we get some pictures? Please? And pictures of the roots!!! Pleeeease!

Thank you!

-turtle420 :cool:

[Gen]

Hey Turtle,

I bailed on that system a week ago and am now using a bubbler. It was the next cheapest and fast way to go. Fog just wasn't for me. Zandor was right I didn't have the right fogger unit. The real fogger units cost $$$. When I was fogging, the roots were nice and white and sticking out in all directions. It was cool.

[Zandor]

Hey Turtle,

I bailed on that system a week ago and am now using a bubbler. It was the next cheapest and fast way to go. Fog just wasn't for me. Zandor was right I didn't have the right fogger unit. The real fogger units cost $$$. When I was fogging, the roots were nice and white and sticking out in all directions. It was cool.
Hey gen if you get some foam rubber plugs how about trying to use it as a cloner?

That could be intresting.

[Gen]

Zandor, the only thing I have ever cloned before is a tomato plant. I just stuck the
stem with a node in a glass of water and left it on the sink inside. It rooted in a few
days (maybe a week or so) I then stuck it in a pot of dirt. Heck, I've even stuck a freshly broken off stem with node and buried it in the dirt outside, watered it well and the thing grew into a tomato plant. I didn't even use rooting hormorne. I'm sure fog would work as a cloner. Why not?

[Gen]

Okay, I read that for clones, dry fogging is not enough.

[turtle420]

Okay, I read that for clones, dry fogging is not enough.

What do you mean?

That for clones, the fog isn't enough?

Difference between dry fog, 'regular' fog and 'wet' fog? ??? I'm lost there...

I've got a site that says that the fogger system is excellent for clones... it goes from clones, directly to the plant. All you have to do is change the nutes.

Gen, please elaborate... I'm very interested. Thanks!

-turtle420 :cool:

[Gen]

I am no chemist, but dry fog and wet fog have to do with the size of the particles of water. Ultrasonic humidifiers are the dry fog type. The fog is like smoke, when you touch it, it does not feel wet. Wet fog is well wet and like a mist. I read somewhere on the internet that dry fog was not wet enough for clones. Take that for what it's worth. My fogger and I have parted ways. I didn't like the way it was set up. To refill the tank, you had to remove it, since the fill was on the bottom. That meant dripping water all over. Mine was so cheap, it didn't have a automatic shut-off valve. So if I let it dry out, I'd wreck it. Too many things to go wrong with it. I'm a newbie, and all this stuff scares the hell out of me. Well not really, I'm actually having alot of fun reading about other people's problems and how they solved them.

[elle7]

Hi
Sorry this as nothing to do with this thread, but i have read with great interest that your grandaughter has survived a brain tumor by cannabis treatment. I am interested to know the name of the clinic for my father and any other information you may have...i would be extremely grateful if you could write me at [email protected] Many many many thanks, Elle

[turtle420]

Hi
Sorry this as nothing to do with this thread, but i have read with great interest that your grandaughter has survived a brain tumor by cannabis treatment. I am interested to know the name of the clinic for my father and any other information you may have...i would be extremely grateful if you could write me at [email protected] Many many many thanks, Elle


Just in case, I think this is directed at LITESPEED. It says so on the title.

Best wishes for your family Elle,

-turtle420 :cool: