1st closet grow - Indica - 400w HPS

[indicloset]

Hey, new here, first time grower (unless you count 4 seedlings that were in my backyard that went missing a few summers ago). So, I got the seeds (Chemo) and light (400w HPS kit w/ Gavita enhanced spectrum bulb). The closet is a linen closet which will be painted flat white soon, the floor measures 21.5"x29", height is all the way to the ceiling if needed, but preferably will be no more than 68". I have germinated and spouted 5 of the seeds in a mix of vermiculite, perlite and sphagnum pete moss under 2 20w 2ft fluorescent tubes and they are now on day 10. I am hoping to get a female I can clone or two females would be great, we'll see...I was thinking only two plants would really be possible for the size closet I have. I am going to put them under the HPS as soon as I get everything set up in the linen closet. I need to buy a new door, put weatherstripping to keep the light out/in and put the ventilation (2 fans and a carbon scrubber) in the door, so I can just swap the door if anyone comes over or if I move. Also have a 6 inch oscillating fan to blow on the plants.

About the socket (pictured below) for the hps that goes to the ballast...I have figured that the brass is live, the other is neutral but where is the ground, is there one?

Any idea how much I will yeild per plant?

I'll keep everyone up to date as time goes on.

Any suggestions, comments, ideas are welcome.

[indicloset]

Also, there is a plastic peice in the bottom of the socket at the end, below where the bulb screws in so it sandwiches...is this supposed to stay or do you take this out?

[JohnnyPotGrower]

hey dude-
I have a similar grow going in a closet a little bigger than yours (roughly 24" x 38"), I have a 400W HPS like you as well. I am on my second grow. Let me tell you that the first grow was disaster/learning experience to say the least. It is very very hard to grow in such a small space with so much light. This was not something I would have thought of and I am sure you have yet to realize it as well, but 400W HPS puts out an incredible amount of heat. Especially with white walls unless you plan to leave the door to the closet open constantly you will essentially be trying to grow your babies in an oven.

My problem was that the temps. got so high that the soil actually began to get baked by the 400W HPS light. This totally inhibitted root growth and I could not get my girl to grow more than 2 sets of leaves and no more than 3 inches tall. The only way to keep the soil cool enough was to provide so much water that it drowned the plant, leading to mold growth on the stem (damping-off), and overwatering which eventually killed it.

Even with the 2 fans circulating air, you will get to a point where you are only blowing around 95-100 degree air... which doesnt help. Because it is a closet I doubt there would be a way to easily/cost effectively have a ventilation system to bring in outside cooler air and expel the hot air from within. This leaves you (as it left me) with only one option: You are going to need to plan on leaving the door to the closet open 24/7 if you want any chance of a sucessful grow. With your 2 fans (assuming they are strong enough) you may be able to set them up so a fan above the HPS light expels the hot air as it rises and a fan at plant level blows in fresh air across the top of the plant maintaining a lower temp.

Fortunately for me, the door to my closet is in the corner of a room. On the adjoining wall is a large window about 20" away. I realized I could use a large bed sheet to isolate the window and the door to my closet. I am now able to blow in COOL autumn air from the window and have it go directly into my closet, while blowing out the heated air that eventually leaves out the top of the window which i leave open a few inches. If you happen to be lucky enough to have a window near your cloest door I would HIGHLY recomend figuring out a way to use that to get a source of cool air.

If you have any questions or need further clarification/advise let me know on this thread and I'll be more than happy to help you out.

-JPG

[CANABIZNIS]

I just started my grow room yesterday, I have a 600 watt setup. My closet is 7 1\2 ft. tall but the closet its self is 2 ft. wide and 7 ft. long, my walls are also white, it got extremly hot in there i woke up in the morning and my soil was dry to the crisp..my lamp NOW sits 2 1/2 feet from the bottom of the soil do you think this is still to low ? ..I planted my seed yesterday ..do you think it damaged it? Also what do you think would be the best ht. for my light? i dont want to damage my soil ...

[Garden Knowm]

I had a friend who grew
in a tiny closet the size of a pew

he used a 1000 watt hps...
he used a squirrel fan shaped like an S

he took off the door knob and in its place
he put the squirrel fan, what an ace

the closet air was pumped out into the room
lowering the temperature, ending the gloom

the room had a smell it really stank
a sweet skunk, the super dank


I love you

[indicloset]

Thanks for the reply man. Alright, well, I just turned it on and damn is it bright...it doesnt seem too hot with the oscilating fan, but I need to go get a thermometer. The door is also completely off the closet right now, but it cannot stay that way, it makes the house too bright, so it would have to stay shut or I would have to find a way to shield the light from coming out. There is a bathroom right next to it with a small window, maybe I can rig up something so the intake fan will suck air in from there, like a long tube going across the cieling or something.

It is actually pretty cool in there and its been on for about an hour and a half now. That might just be because there is no door though. When I put my hand above the light, I cannot feel very much warmth due to the built in reflector, but underneath it is pretty hot up until about 12" away, so I put the light about 20 or 21 inches away from the plants.

Hmm...not sure what to do, I also have a cat, so it definitly needs a door or something of some sort...I'm gonna go get a thermometer right now so I can see where i'm at...I'll update once i'm back.

day 11 pics - in the new closet...

[indicloset]

Thats a cool poem...gives me some hope. Anyways, the temp. in there is about 81 with the door wide open and about 85 with the door open just a crack, so i'm thinking with the fans, it should be fine. The soil isnt drying up and its been quite a few hours and the fan in the pic is the only one in there right now.

For the intake/exhaust, what type of fans should I get?

Has anyone here grown/smoked this strain I got? How is it? Any up close (or any) pics of a flowering chemo plant?

[JohnnyPotGrower]

Ok sounds like if the temps stay as they are it could work. I would try to find a way to utilize the bathroom somehow. Goodluck.

[indicloset]

Hmm...wierd...I woke up this morn at about 9 and notice just a blue glow coming from the closet...I called the hydro store, they ended up fixing it under warrantee while the plants were back under the fluorescents...he said "they" blew the capacitor, but I dont know what was wrong before that. It was working at 4:30 in the morn when I got up for a few mins and the temp was around the same...about 86. At that point it had been on for at least 12 hours. Its strange, with the built in reflector, the top of the room is the coolest part and I have the ballast up there. Anyways, its fixed now so we'll see what happens.

I was looking at those vortex fans, but damn are they expensive...about 160 for a 4 inch 175 cfm. Anyone know of anything cheaper/similar and where? There was a squirl type fan for $120, but thats still kinda high for me right now.

Is the distance for the light alright? (21" or so)

Day 12...

[indicloset]

Well, the temp went up to 90 during the day, so I put a spare peice of glass from a side coffee table in between the light and the plants...the temp immediatly dropped to 85 again. Now I really need to get that door going with the fans since the top of the room will probably get pretty hot now.

Wow...this has almost been stressful so far...I hope its all worth it.

Is the glass going to effect the light intensity? Do I have to move the light closer?

[indicloset]

Oops...almost forgot the pic...there are a few inches on either side of the glass for cool air to rise and it actually isnt getting too hot up top. I wonder if that space between the wall and the glass will be enough for air to flow when I get the intake/exhaust set up.

I dont think a squirrel fan will fit on the door and still have it open since it is a bi-fold door, so I am thinking of 3 or 4 of those 4"-6" computer style fans they also have at the hydro store.

[Garden Knowm]

indie... can you cut a hole in the ceiling and blow the air into your attic? you don't need to bring fresh air in... you need to blow hot air out (ideally).. when you blow the hot air out fresh cool air will come in through cracks and shit..

if you can, cut a small hole in your ceiling and put a fan in the hole blowing air out of the closet into the attic.. when you shut your closet door you should feel a suction and fresh air will come into your closet from the bottom of the door and blow out into your attic.. this will keep your closet COOL

[indicloset]

I wish, but this is in a basment. My fiance wont let me cut up the wall that connects with the bathroom (or any wall) because we are renting (and yes, i've informed her that I can make it look like it never happened). The other thing is that I want to put weather stripping over all the cracks so no light will get in and switch from 24/0 to 18/6.

Could I have the squirrel fan on a shelf and then run a dryer duct out a hole that will be cut in the door and then maybe just cut a hole in the bottom of the door for fresh air...maybee put a computer fan in the bottom?

[indicloset]

Holy crap...one thing after another...the light just did the same thing again...I called the hydro store and they said they just saw a lightning strike just before I called so that might have caused it. It works for hours and hours, then boom a little blue glow, but it does feel pretty hot on the bottom of the ballast box and when I looked, there is what looks like a red wire kinda sticking out of one of the vent holes at the bottom...maybe it melted the wire's insulation, then grounded out...

Anyways, they are giving me a brand new kit tomarrow morning so the little guys are back under the fluorescents for tonight.

I want to make sure this doesn't happen again. What I am thinking is that my ground from the ballast to my homade fixture is not strong enough...look at the pic below...the green wire that goes to the fixture is the ground. Do I need a bigger fixture or maybe clamp a chunk of metal to the one I got?

I did see the TV and all other lights flicker off, then back on, but everything that I saw flicker is on a different breaker than the light...maybe the house did get struck by lightning, but the ground was suffecient on everything in the house except for my homade fixture causing the capacitor to blow again. If so...I guess it needs more metal?

[indicloset]

Strange...just plugged it in for the hell of it and it works fine again...maybe it just needed to be reset by unplugging it or something...

Anyone know what could be causing this? The fixture?

[indicloset]

Yesterday, I think I overwatered one of the plants...the one with the end of the leave curled upwards and turning color. There doesnt seem to be as much perlite and vermiculite in that one and this happened a few hours after I watered it. Oh well...i'll be more careful.

Anyone know if my fixture needs more metal than what I have? Is that strong enough to ground on? I have another peice of metal clamped onto it right now and the light has been on all night, but the ballast is getting insanely hot. I had it on linolium and it melted indentations into it, so I put it on a wood shelf in a seperate room. I can pick it up by the handle and its warm...the sides of the ballast box get hotter and then the bottom is hot as hell...you could probably cook an egg on it (very slowly). Is this normal or should I just go exchange it for a new one right away?

day 13...

[RastaKaze]

Damnit. They are slow growers. Reminds me of my first grow... I don't want you to fuck up, so I'm gonna give you a bit of info that'll help you out BIG TIME. Take your idea, with the inductor fan and ducting tubes... EXCEPT: Install the inductor fan in a window nearby the growroom, with the end of the ducting that's blowin' the fresh mountain (or wherever the fuck you live) air inside. Dosen't matter if your in the city either. The point is, it's FRESH. And it will make a fuckload of a difference in both your plants growth rate and temperature problems.. of course those two elements are kindof hand in hand.. Post pics before you install the fresh air tube, and a week after. Your gonna flip :thumbsup:

[CANABIZNIS]

Damnit. They are slow growers. Reminds me of my first grow... I don't want you to fuck up, so I'm gonna give you a bit of info that'll help you out BIG TIME. Take your idea, with the inductor fan and ducting tubes... EXCEPT: Install the inductor fan in a window nearby the growroom, with the end of the ducting that's blowin' the fresh mountain (or wherever the fuck you live) air inside. Dosen't matter if your in the city either. The point is, it's FRESH. And it will make a fuckload of a difference in both your plants growth rate and temperature problems.. of course those two elements are kindof hand in hand.. Post pics before you install the fresh air tube, and a week after. Your gonna flip :thumbsup:

I might do this for my plant, do you have any pics of something similiar to this so i can get a better idea of what it might look like?

[indicloset]

Its a good idea and I'd do it except that I am renting and if the landlord goes in the backyard, he will see the fan...I dont know what I would say its for since it is getting pretty cold outside here...thats the other thing, the air from outside will probably be too cold (its about 45 now and getting colder and colder each day) and the temp in the closet is only at 84 - 86 now with the glass.

The growth rate has increased incredibly since they have been under the HPS though (they were under 2 20w fluorescents and not cfl's either, just regular t12's, 1200 lumens per tube)...they have only been under the HPS for maybe a day and a half in total since I was having problems with the ballast.

I have noticed what looks like little yellow spots on the original two serrated leaves of a couple of the plants, but very faint...could it be time for nutrients soon?

[RastaKaze]

I have a blue-print of my design.. I'll try to scan and upload it for ya tommorow. You can get everything you need at Home Depot. And, trust me, the cold air is good. You get free air cooling during the winter this way.. simply lose the glass and place the outside air exaust near your lamp, temps will even out.. They do for me :D

[sharpezor]

kgnome u almoast made me cry with that sweet sweet peom. (ps im high :()

[indicloset]

If you can post the blueprint, that would be awsome. I'd like to take a look...I would have to be able to take it down quickly if I needed to.

[turtle420]

Hey indicloset...

I was looking @ the pic you posted on #14.... question, the metal strap... it works as a ground strap and as a support strap... Ok, I see the green ground wire from the socket getting hooked-up to the strap... but what about the other side of the ground?

Is that the yellow wire coming in from the top? Is that wire connected to the strap? I mean, I see that it's all threaded into the strap and everything, but is it actually stripped (from its insulation) and connected (metal-to-metal) to the strap?

Maybe your bulb/ballast problem is the ground... ???

[indicloset]

Well, the yellow wire is just to hang it...no insulation is stripped off of it. The other end of the green wire goes to the ballast (whatevers hooked up in there, the shop did) along with the black and white wires for the socket.

I guess I should have mentioned that the ballast issue seems to be straightened out...I clamped another peice of metal to the metal strap to help it ground better and its been working fine ever since...the shop said its supposed to run hot like I was describing...I didn't end up getting the new one they offered me since this one started working.

day 14 update...a couple of my plants are drooping a bit more, so I'm not going to water for a while...about the first 1/2" of soil has dried now since the last time I mentioned I watered and the leaves started to doop. One plant fell down (or maybe my cat got it somehow...the door was open a crack), so I propped it back up.

pics...

There is this little runt, whose seed was three times as big as the rest...it also took twice as long to germinate (48 hrs instead of 24) and about three times as long to sprout. It was planted in the soil one day after the rest. Anyways, it has to be propped up, the leaves look funny, thick and dark and the stem kinda goes in a spiral right when it gets close to the ground...thats the weak point...it wont stand up because of that, its so skinny down at the bottom.

That one plant where you see the spots...those have been there since day 12 (ever since the HPS light went out the first time and I possibly over-watered), they are yellow, but you cant really see in the pic.

Oh well..2 of 5 seem to have no flaws...so far...

[Mellow Man]

I brought my answer to your question from my Thread!........

I believe this fan could help out your grow closet alot by reducing unwanted heat,I say it would reduce your temps considerably!...............just add 6 inch's or so of duct to both sides of the booster fan for better suction!....good luck or you could run some flex duct towards the bulb or even close to the bulb should suck the hot air away from the canaopy...

[latewood]

how do you like the gavita bulb? I have been looking at that and wondering how good it would work...

[indicloset]

latewood...The guy at the hydro store said its awsome for all-round use, but I cant really tell you from experience, this is my first HPS so I have nothing to compare it to. He still recommended Hortilux over them cuz thats what he uses, but they were out of Hortilux.

Mellow man...Thanks...I hope I get a chance to get going on this soon.

Do the plants look alright? Are they streching? Anyone know what the yellow spots are?

[CANABIZNIS]

indicloset.. Today I got a timer for my 600 watt and when I turned it on threw a powerbar i had near to test it I got the same blue glow light you described, but when I took it out and plugged it back into the timer/wall socket it worked fine ..was wondering if you were connected to a direct wall socket or not ..

[indicloset]

From what I've noticed, I guess what happens is if the ballast has been on for a while and is hot, then for some unrelated reason it loses power for a second and turns off (ie..you unplugging it to plug in timer, lightning at my house, etc..), when you plug it back in (or when it regains power) it wont turn on right away because something is too hot in the ballast box or it has a delay or something. Basically, just let it sit for 4 mins with a fan on the vents in the box, then plug it back in and it should work.

I unplugged it just for a second today and this same thing happened with the blue glow...it just need to cool off...I had the fan on it for maybe a 2 or 3 mins and it worked fine after that, but you have a bigger lamp.

I dont know if all HPS do this, but the Gavita first starts with just a strong blue light, then fades to yellow then orange/red, etc..

And yes, its plugged directly into a wall outlet, but its going to be on an extension cord soon so I can put it back on the shelf.

[indicloset]

I am moving in an apartment soon...its on the top floor (3rd) and in the corner, the way it is designed is so the front door goes outside instead of in a hallway, there are no hallways, the buildings are all open to the outside and neighbors doors aren't right next to each other.

Inside, I have a choice of a huge storage room almost the size of a bedroom with no windows and the door is in the middle of the apt. or there is a normal sized closet I can devote and its right next to the bedroom window. I am leaning towards the closet because I think it would be pretty hard to ventilate the storage room. Either way, I'm sure it will work out better than what I have now.

Anyways, until then, I have to make due...I tried to make that fan with the bag and the ducting, but I think my fan is too small for the lenght of ducting I need (16 feet to go from window to closet), so I put the fan back the way it was and left the ducting going from the room, straight out the window. I can feel a slight breeze at the other end of the ducting so they must get at least a little more air. I have to go get a better fan tomarrow.

[Garden Knowm]

sounds like a f-king construction site on this thread.. contractors, worker bees, formen, inspectors, the whole f-ing 9 yards..

should turn out AWESOME

[CANABIZNIS]

lol yeah if you need help give me a ring ..ill built you a green house for some yield :D

[indicloset]

Haha...yeah, and it all started over a seed I found in a bag that didnt sprout, dissappointed me so I went to the seed bank in vancouver, then the store, then again to the store, and again...

I sure hope this turns out good, its getting too expensive to keep buying it...I've been smoking quite a bit lately.

Oh hey, look at that, its 4:20...am...woohoo...gtg

[indicloset]

Oh, by the way, I took that fan with the bag and ducting idea and just did it with my bathroom exhaust fan (a bit shorter distance than the window), it said 50cfm when I had the cover off, I hope it works alright, the duct exit the top of the closet where its cracked and just runs along the ceiling to the bathroom fan.

This is some really decent weed I got, dont know what it is, just did a couple hot knives of it though...anyways, now I got to sleep, the kid past out an hour ago, now I can... :smokin:

[litespeed]

indicloset: find someone that sell old appliance and ele heaters and get the squirrel fan out of it works realy good... be about $$30.oo that what mind cost.
MAKE sure the you LIGHT is the right one for the ballast I bought a light and it was not the right one and it did the same thing you are taking about...

[indicloset]

Thanks for the tip, the 50cfm fan is not even making a noticable difference with the temp. Anyways, I got to run out the door, but later today, I should get a chance to get the fan.

A couple of the plant are drooping really bad. Maybe I should take a couple pics in normal light once I get back so you guys can see better. I think I may still be overwatering, but I waited until the first 2 in. of soil felt dry, but after I watered last, it seems like they drooped a bit more and one hasn't really grown since.

And the bulb is correct, 400w, ballast is 400w. I read more on this though, I guess its not the ballast that needs to cool down, but the bulb...it makes sense, if you look after you turn off the light, you can see it glowing, I guess you know its ready when the bulb stops glowing. The bulb and ballast seem to be working just fine now.

[litespeed]

What I was trying to say, was they give me MH and I have HPS sys. it would work and then die cool off and work again and so on.

[indicloset]

Oh, I see...no, its a HPS, it says on the package. Its working great now, it was just my ground before, it not coming on right away after it was unplugged is supposed to be normal (or so i've read).

I got the fan that you suggested Mellow Man except I got the 5 in. one, its supposed to be a bit more powerful, there was a sheet that said the sizes it comes in are 4", 5", 6", 8" all ranging from 80cfm to 465cfm. I attached it to the 4" ducting using a 5"-4" adapter that goes out the bathroom window. My temp is stable at 78 now, but I had to leave the glass in there, without it, it would just go right to 86-90 again, even with the air blowing straight at the bulb maybe a couple inches away. I think my bulb light produces more heat than others since the built in reflector directs all the heat downwards. Anyways, I cant wait to see how they do with the new temp and fresh air.

I noticed on my bulb where the glass meets the metal part to screw in, it looks kinda loose, there is a bigger gap on one end then the other and its tilted to an angle slightly...is this something to be concerned about?

[indicloset]

Forgot the pics...

[CANABIZNIS]

indicloset - how much did you pay for the fan setup?

[indicloset]

The fan was 61.99 at home depot, they also have a couple others that arn't enclosed in a tube like a squirrel cage style for about 85 and another style for 6" and up metal ducts for 40 (both could be installed in larger metal ducts and made just like this one). I also went on their web site and they have fans in this style (dont know where to find them though) up to 14 inch, not 8 like I mentioned previously, and they range up to 1400cfm for this same style.

I got a single 20 ft. duct now intead of 2, 8ft. ducts taped together, this way I can close the door better and keep the duct up towards the ceiling and out of the way. The only downside is the temp went up to 80 since adding the longer duct.

In the new place, I think I will make the cool tube Mellow Man posted.

[indicloset]

Day 18...

Alright, whats wrong with the plants? The 1st 2 pics are of the worst plant (not the runt though), its leaves are turning yellow around the edges, then moving towards the center, the bottom leaves did this first, then the next ones up.

There is also a pic of the runt, and also two plants have secondary growth over night since I put in the fresh air, dont have a pic yet, will get one once I get home...I'm just about to leave to get some fertilizer.

Anyone that can help, it would be great. Thanks.

[indicloset]

Got some "Hydro Fuel" for nutes. The people at the Hydro store recommended it, they say I'll get a better yield using this rather than others, these two are for veg. and then there are another two I have to get later for flowering. $20 each kit (part A and B) so $40 for both grow and bloom.

NPK :

Grow -

Part A : 3.5 - 0 - 3.21
Part B : 1.45 - .62 - 1.9

Bloom -

Part A : 3.5 - 0 - 3.21
Part B : 0 - 2 - 4.5

[latewood]

coming along great, bro...keep it up...also, if you can't find a glass like mellowman then look for a bake-around on ebay or at walmart...pyrex or corning ...something like that. goodluck

[CANABIZNIS]

Fishy Mulshine :thumbsup:

[indicloset]

Thanks guys.

Fishy Mulshine?...huh?:confused:

How often should I feed the girls this stuff? Every watering? The instructions only say for hydro, says to change mixture in nute tub every 7-10 days, doesn't say how often for soil.

[Garden Knowm]

I can't see exactly what is going on.. but something is not right.. and unfortunatelly I can't tell if it is to much or to little water...

can you tell me?

fish emulsion.... yikes... hard core... if you have pets watch out.. dogs love that SHIT.. LOL.. and if that shit spills on your carpet.. ouch....

I guess what I am trying to say is.. THAT SHIT STINKS and is strong as HELL...

LOL and a dog will tear up your plants to eat the soil..

we need better pics to assess this situation...

are they growing daily...?

: )

[CANABIZNIS]

I can't see exactly what is going on.. but something is not right.. and unfortunatelly I can't tell if it is to much or to little water...

can you tell me?

fish emulsion.... yikes... hard core... if you have pets watch out.. dogs love that SHIT.. LOL.. and if that shit spills on your carpet.. ouch....

I guess what I am trying to say is.. THAT SHIT STINKS and is strong as HELL...

LOL and a dog will tear up your plants to eat the soil..

we need better pics to assess this situation...

are they growing daily...?

: )


Smells like bad diahrea lol!..havent went into flowering yet so i havent used it..thank god my dog dosent come upstairs haha..

[indicloset]

I think nutes were the answer. I watered them with nutes yesterday and today one of them has already straightened out...that same one also got the beginning of secondary growth overnight...the others might take more time to recover, but they are growing everyday...they all sped up since the nutes and fresh air. Even the runt finally started growing again, quite a bit actually.

So, do I use the nutes everytime I water?

Is this dangerous for animals to eat? Or do you say careful because they will dig up my plants? Either way, I put a screwdriver in the top of the closet so the door will not open more than a crack, so the cat cannot get in. Also, I use a syringe to measure it, so no spills.

[Garden Knowm]

no they won't die...lol

i don't think... just poop.. dogs love to eat poop.. but yeah, they might tear your plants up to eat the poop.. : )

Not sure about the feeding regiment....

Latewood ?

[CANABIZNIS]

Thanks for the reply to my thread indicloset...looking at the picture that Mellowman posted it dosent look that hard to hook up ..im sceptical about the wall switch part thow how does that work? im going to home depot first thing in the morning to pick one up, my all time high in the closet today was 93%-25% hummidity..i sound like a weather man :cool:.. if i didnt have a fan blowin the hot air out it could easily get to 120 :mad: ..anyways, that explains why my leafs look mutated i thought i was overwatering..how many degrees did your closet drop?...do you think it will straightin them back out? or will the next set sprout straighter?

PS. How long is the ducting? i need about 8-10 feet..

[indicloset]

My ducting is 20 feet, lol...I dont have the cool tube set up yet, not till I move probably. The temp was 85/86 with the glass and the oscillating fan and then dropped to 80 after adding the fresh air fan, but that is probably because my tube is so long, the fan doesn't blow as hard as it would with shorter ducting. Also, the fan is just sitting on the ground. Tomarrow, I'm going to experiment more without the glass and positioning of the fan...I figure if I can lose the glass and keep it at 85 or just below, I should be fine...for now.

For the switch, I didn't bother, I just spliced the wires to an extension cord, plugged it in and now have it running 24/7. Green on the fan and extention cord are both ground, hook them up together, the other two black wires go to the black and white of the extension cord, they can go either way.

[CANABIZNIS]

If you could get my a picture of the wireing that would be great..i really need to get this setup quick, my plants will mutate themselves to death if i dont =(..did you just set the ducting on the window seal? or did you do it another way?

[indicloset]

My setup is just temporary until i move, but I just have the tube going out the slightly cracked open closet door, draped over the bathroom door, then attached to a peice of cardboard cut to the size of the window (you can make the width of the cardboard just bigger then the diameter ducting your using) with a hole cut out in the cardboard for the ducting to sit in.

I could not get you a pic of the wires right now because everyone is sleeping and I would make too much noise in there, but I drew you a diagram. I can get you a pic of the wires tomarrow for sure though.

[CANABIZNIS]

All sounds good thanks man :thumbsup:

[indicloset]

Opps...forgot the diagram and the pics that I did get...oh :cursing: ...I missed 4:20...by 7 mins...oh well, its never to late to :rasta: ...then I'm off to sleep:smokin:, see ya...

[indicloset]

Alright, well, I got one pic with the tape still on the wires...you can see the colors of the wires coming from the fan, but the ones on the ext. cord are all faded and have actually turned different colors, so I think it would be more confusing to post that. So, just look at the diagram for whats not in the pic. Basically, just splice it up, then tape it up, but make sure to tape each wire individually before taping them all together so they dont touch. HTH.

[CANABIZNIS]

Well i went threw all that trouble to get everything and my dad told me no its a fire hazard, so i made his ass take it all back ..now i get to watch as my plants slowly mutate themselves to death :mad: ..wat a waste soon ill have my own place.. i might as well turn the fuckin light off :mad:

[indicloset]

Harsh...but, a fire hazard? I would think it would be more of a fire hazard without it since it would be getting so hot and dry in there.

Anyone know how long the plants should take to recover from the nute def.? The new stems are no longer coming in purple, but at the top where the new leaves are coming in, some still have a slight bit of purple (hardly noticable, before it was very noticable) to them at the base of the leaf.

Anyways, I took the best pics I could so you guys can see better, so if someone could take a look and tell me what you think, it would be greatly appreciated.

day 21...

[indicloset]

day 21 continued...

I got a couple sheets of info about the nutes I have. I dont think it is that fish poop, because it doesn't stink, it doesn't really smell like anything.

Here is a link to some info about it as well as others, its the 3rd one down - "Hydro Fuel" :

http://www.rambridge.com/products/garden/greenplt/greenpl.html

Also, here are pics of the sheets that I got with it and a couple more of the plants.

[CANABIZNIS]

day 21 continued...

I got a couple sheets of info about the nutes I have. I dont think it is that fish poop, because it doesn't stink, it doesn't really smell like anything.

Here is a link to some info about it as well as others, its the 3rd one down - "Hydro Fuel" :

http://www.rambridge.com/products/garden/greenplt/greenpl.html

Also, here are pics of the sheets that I got with it and a couple more of the plants.


The pic on the far right... one of the leafs on the bottom looks exactly like mine do ..i dont think its a nut problem i think its a temp/humidity problem because my plant isnt ready for nutes and its looking like yours ..is your temp still around 85? should do sumthin to get it around the 70's maybe adding 2 fans in the duct :p ..i dunno im not a expert or anything but yeah...about the fish poop ill take a pic in awhile of what it looks like...its basicly grounded up waterd fish guts ..its called alaskin fish fert..or known as fish emulsion..plants love it, so do dogs i guess lol

[indicloset]

My temp is steady at 80 right now. The last two pics on the bottom post on the right is just the runt, its always been like that even when the others were fine. The seed was twice as big as the others, and it took forever to sprout, it cant even hold itself up right now because the stem is so thin. Anyways, that one I'm not too concered about, I'm just interested in how its going to do, i've treated it exactly like the others. The others are showing different symptoms though. They do seem to be doing better though, and growing more since the nutes, I'm just hoping they are recovering and I'm doing everything correct now.

[indicloset]

Alright, well a bit of progress in one of the plants, the lower leaves look kinda crispy, but the top and new growth is looking decent, more alive.

I did a bit of rearranging last night and was able to get the temp at 81-82 without the glass and thats with the thermometer directly under the light, if I put it on the far wall with the the bottom level with the plantsl, it reads about 78-80.

Now, when I move, the new closet is going to have to be sealed up for light and has to have a carbon scrubber. I will be able to make holes in the closet door. My current fan will remain the intake.

I was planning on using the fan in the link below (made by the same company as my intake fan) for the exhaust and to blow into the carbon filter :
http://fieldcontrols.com/ab-1.2.html

Now, the opposite side of the fan that you dont see in the pic is just a smaller round hole near the middle of the opposite side, lloks like it would fit a 4" duct. Does anyone know if this fan has to be installed into a duct like the instructions say? Or, what I was thinking, is to just mount the smaller 4" opening of the fan into a hole in the closet door, then attached to the ducting and carbon filter and just have the top part of the fan open on the inside of the closet...will this work?

[IrieInSocal]

I was having the same problem with the heat. I had my 400w in my closet with 4 plants and it was about 100deg.f. all day. I left the door open with a fan on the inside and one in the doorway blowing air in. It helped but wasnt sufficiant (oops SP). So i went to home depo and bought a "wall closet" for $150 along with some $10 ducting. I also bought a themostat for $13 from target. The average temp in there now is 80 deg. f. during the day and 70 at night. One thing i would say is invest in some floros and use them for veg if you dont have the money, time, or space to do what i did. I have a bathroom in my room with a large space under the counter, i use that space with 120watts in floros for my veg. This way i can flower and veg at the same time. happy smokin fellas

[CANABIZNIS]

I was having the same problem with the heat. I had my 400w in my closet with 4 plants and it was about 100deg.f. all day. I left the door open with a fan on the inside and one in the doorway blowing air in. It helped but wasnt sufficiant (oops SP). So i went to home depo and bought a "wall closet" for $150 along with some $10 ducting. I also bought a themostat for $13 from target. The average temp in there now is 80 deg. f. during the day and 70 at night. One thing i would say is invest in some floros and use them for veg if you dont have the money, time, or space to do what i did. I have a bathroom in my room with a large space under the counter, i use that space with 120watts in floros for my veg. This way i can flower and veg at the same time. happy smokin fellas


What were your leafs looking like when you had high temps?

[indicloset]

IrieInSocal, looks nice :D . Thanks for the advice. I havn't been having an issue with the heat since I've had the cold fresh air blowing in over the top of the plants. My temp is at about 78 - 82 over the day and night with 24 hours of light. I was thinking of using a cabinet inside of a closet before, but I figured I could cut holes in the closet door and seal off the cracks easier and cheaper than building or buying a cabinet, my place now only has the one extra closet in the hallway and I was going to do it to this door, but I am moving into a new place and didnt think it was worth it to buy a new closet door. In the new place I am going to be using a bigger closet and doing the original plan with one more exhaust fan blowing through a carbon filter.

I figured I was underwatering since I have not been watering until the water starts to drain out of the holes in the bottom. I read somewhere you were supposed to do this, so I tried and the next day, they were all perked up and looking alot better.

Today, two plants started to droop, the pots were light, but the soil was still somewhat moist after an inch down (in the small pots, 6" wide x 5" deep), so I watered them again and now they have kinda revived a little. However, one of those two plants is looking like it is getting burnt from the nutes, but why just the one, wouldn't others look burnt as well? I am using the 2-part mix of Hydro Fuel for "seedlings/cuttings 200-400 ppm" (the first stage on the chart I posted above) with every watering now (says on the program, "dirt farmers use with everywatering"), its been about 3 waterings so far. Should I be using the one for week 3 since thats what I'm on? Its 1000-1400, that sounds a bit high, but the percentages of the nutrients are low on the bottle.

I was also thinking that maybe its time to transplant, I'm not sure when to though. The two bigger pots are 6" wide x 7" deep, 1 gallon pots and the other smaller ones are 6" wide x 5" deep. Should I transplant to 3 gallon pots? Or what size pots should do me through the rest of the grow?

day 24 pics...

[CANABIZNIS]

How they lookin so far? ..Update :)

[indicloset]

Well, the crispy one is looking crispy, except that there are secondaries growing from where the old branches are. The runt, I took out and put under fluorescents, if it lives, it lives, if it dies it dies. The other three are doing really good, still a little droopy, but much more alive now and look bigger everyday.

Actually, I think I have to transplant tomarrow. If I look up the drainage holes, there are white roots starting to become visable. I'm assuming I should transplant ASAP. I'm going to try to find some 3 gal. pots tomarrow, but I only could find 2 gallon and 5 gallon pots today (for the cheap black ones anyways), so I'm thiking I'll go with the 5 gal. Anyone think otherwise, will the plant grow too big with a 5 gal. pot?

What do I have to watch for while transplanting? Any special techniques anyone uses? Should I cut the bottom off the pot or should I take everything out of the pot?

[CANABIZNIS]

Well, the crispy one is looking crispy, except that there are secondaries growing from where the old branches are. The runt, I took out and put under fluorescents, if it lives, it lives, if it dies it dies. The other three are doing really good, still a little droopy, but much more alive now and look bigger everyday.

Actually, I think I have to transplant tomarrow. If I look up the drainage holes, there are white roots starting to become visable. I'm assuming I should transplant ASAP. I'm going to try to find some 3 gal. pots tomarrow, but I only could find 2 gallon and 5 gallon pots today (for the cheap black ones anyways), so I'm thiking I'll go with the 5 gal. Anyone think otherwise, will the plant grow too big with a 5 gal. pot?

What do I have to watch for while transplanting? Any special techniques anyone uses? Should I cut the bottom off the pot or should I take everything out of the pot?


Transplanting > http://www.overgrow.com/growfaq/t7

[indicloset]

I transplanted 3 of them last night to 3 gal. pots. Guided by Hardon's stress free transplanting FAQ, it worked out great. The plants have already perked up a bit overnight. The only things I did different was that I used Stim-Root No. 2 with .4% IBA instead of the Schultz rooting hormone and a green light so the roots didn't see any light. I read somewhere that plants cannot see the color green, so you can use a green light as the only light source to reduce stress during transplant, this way you can see, but they cannot. I hope it is the correct light, they didnt say anything specific about the green light, just that its green, so I just got the cheapest one I could find.

I am very limited in space, so I cut the bottom off the 4th plant (the crispy one), used the double potting technique that is in the above link and just used a 1 gal. pot underneath. I just cut the very bottom off only, instead of the last inch, I hope it doesn't make too much of a difference...I missed that part. Since is the worst plant, I did it like this to save space and also money on soil, I dont know if its going to live, but if it does, this pot should do me up until sexing, then I will see if its a keeper or not.

day 27...

[indicloset]

Just a quick update...plants seem to be doing fine, they perked up the day after I transplanted, but then didn't perk up any further, the tips of the leaves are curling down a bit, but maybe its just from transplanting. I'm going to switch to feeding them like this : feed, water, water, feed, water, water, etc...

day 28 pics...(the purple isn't there in person, a little bit on old stems, but I think its the camera flash and the lighting). Anyways, I hope the new watering schedule fixes them.

[indicloset]

Here's the pics...

[indicloset]

day 33 update...

Two of the plants are over 1 ft. tall, and the other one is a bit smaller. Cant start to flower until after I move on Dec. 1, I hope they dont get too big in that time...I would hate to have to transplant them again.

I think I have been giving the nutes too often without adjusting the pH of the water, so I got a pH test kit (the test drops...I'll get the pH pen sometime after christmas) and some "Bumper Up" and "Bumper Down." The water that comes out of the tap is at the 6.5 - 6.9 range, so I watered with tap water with no nutes (that has sat for 24 hrs.) and the water that ran out of the bottom of the pot is around the 5.0 - 5.4 range. So...what I plan to do is water with only tap water until the pH of the run off water is at 6.5 - 6.9, then continue with the schedule of, water, water, feed...But, this time with the water/nutes mixture adjusted back to 6.5 - 6.9. Hopefully that will solve the problem. What do you think? Good plan?

One thing I have noticed since the first watering with straight tap water is that the nute burn started progressing again in all plants up the fan leaves and into a couple of the tips of the secondary leaves. Should I give them a good flush or should I just continue to water with normal water?

[indicloset]

Here's the day 33 pics (I dont know why I always forget them :stoned: )...

[indicloset]

Alright, well here they are at day 37...still giving ph'd water only and I'm misting them quite often.

The two big plants are about 16-17 inches and the other one is about 12 inches...the small one was in a 6x5" pot to start and the others were in a 6x7" pot to start. They are growing like crazy almost an inch a day or a little less.

Now, I'm not sure what to do, I was going to switch them to 12/12 on day 40. I am not using nutes right now in order to get the run off's ph back to normal. Should I buy the bloom nutes and start feeding them right after I switch them over or wait until the run off is back to normal and then start feeding? I just need some sort of basic schedule of what to do, I'm kinda lost since I messed up the feeding and then overfed, etc... The doses for the nutes are gonna be another thing, but I guess I'll just do a quarter of what it says on the bottle. What's everyone think?

day 37 pics...

[CANABIZNIS]

Im asuming your misting them after the light goes off right? just makin sure..i was gone for the weekend and i needed to mist the top of my soil from one of the plants i transplanted so like a dumbass i had my sister do it and it was obviouse she misted alot more than the soil when i saw it lol..i ended up killing the plant and transplanting one of my more healthier plants..i did the transplant about a hour ago im about to update my grow log in a min ..so yeah dont mist when lights are on unless you want a big stem to smoke :thumbsup: ..

[indicloset]

Really? Whats wrong with misting with the lights on? I know of quite a few people who do it. My lights are on 24 hrs. for this grow. I mist the leaves every chance I get, not the soil, the soil stays moist for really long as it is, I only have to water about every 4 days with the 3 gal. pots.

Here's one more pic from day 37 that wouldn't fit in the update I just posted...its the small one (12 inch), she's getting a little left behind since I have to raise the light for the other two every day.

[CANABIZNIS]

hmm i dunno maybe my light was to close, i moved it up some ..all i know is i came home and my bottom leafs were burnt, i was assuming she sprayed them heavy with the lights on ..and thats what caused it ..i have a experamental plant that is almost as old as my other one and i started to spray it with the lights on today so well see how it works..

[seedbare]

Hey indicloset nice documentation there, with the red stems and with the originally deformed growth I think you have a phosphorous deficiency possibly magnesium but I doubt it.

[Psycho4Bud]

I read somewhere they advised NOT to mist the plant. It said that it actually washed off the some of the trichomes. Whether thats true or not I don't know but why take the risk destroying the lil' babies!!! Good Luck!!! :thumbsup:

[seedbare]

I read somewhere they advised NOT to mist the plant. It said that it actually washed off the some of the trichomes. Whether thats true or not I don't know but why take the risk destroying the lil' babies!!! Good Luck!!! :thumbsup:





If someone mist's plants with nutes in it over a period of a couple of weeks you can get nute burn on the leave's, often times the older leaves will begin to burn or yellow first just because they are older leaves and have been exposed to the spraying for a longer period of time then the new growth. It isnt necessary to fertilize a plant through its leaves, professional outdoor gardeners do this to Rhoddodendron's and the like because the roots are very deep.

[indicloset]

Thanks for the advice guys. The water I mist with is straight ph'd water, no nutes. Once they all show their sex, I'll stop misting.

day 42...

Alright, I'm in the new place now. Moving in the snow sucks, it just started the day we started moving. It is good for the plants though and the vent is on a shorter duct now so there is a lot more air coming in. I'll get pics of the whole setup later.

The plants are looking better, and they have been on 12/12 since day 40 and I have switched to the Hydro Fuel Bloom 2 part mix. One plant is female for sure (the shortest one), there are quite a few white hairs. The other two biggest ones havn't shown yet. I'll get pics as soon as I can...I dont know where I packed the batteries for my digicam.

The two big ones (from the 6x7" pots) are both 20" and the female (from the 6x5" pot) is 14".

Pics will be added ASAP, but I dont think it will focus all that good on the pistils since the camera is a 2.0 MP.

[indicloset]

day 5 of flower...

Well, the software for my digicam is screwed, so it will be a couple days until I can get pics, but I have taken a few.

Now, I have a question. I just started flowering on day 40, they are in 3 gal pots and they are 21", 21" and 17" tall now. The roots are starting to show through the holes in the bottom of the pots. Do I need to transplant again (I would cut the bottom and put each on top of another 3 gal pot)? Or should I wait till they all show flowers and just transplant the females? Also, I have noticed that no new hair have grown on the female since yesterday and the other two still havn't shown any flowers, so now I am wondering if they need to be transplanted before anything new happens. If you guys could help out, it would be great. Thanks.

[Psycho4Bud]

day 5 of flower...

Well, the software for my digicam is screwed, so it will be a couple days until I can get pics, but I have taken a few.

Now, I have a question. I just started flowering on day 40, they are in 3 gal pots and they are 21", 21" and 17" tall now. The roots are starting to show through the holes in the bottom of the pots. Do I need to transplant again (I would cut the bottom and put each on top of another 3 gal pot)? Or should I wait till they all show flowers and just transplant the females? Also, I have noticed that no new hair have grown on the female since yesterday and the other two still havn't shown any flowers, so now I am wondering if they need to be transplanted before anything new happens. If you guys could help out, it would be great. Thanks.


NOW!!! Get them into their final pot now that will take em' through flower. Try your best to use the same soil mix to prevent shock. I even go as far as to keep the soil in my grow room for 24 hours to assure that the temp. is the same. Good luck!!! :thumbsup:

[indicloset]

Cool, thanks alot man...the lights just went off so I will transplant tomarrow. Should another 3 gal pot be enough or should I get 5 gal pots to go underneath? I would just put them into 5 gal pots, but I dont think i'll be able to take the whole rootball out of a 3 gal pot. without it breaking.

Damn, I was hoping I wouldn't have to transplant, oh well, next grow I'm only doing a 28 day veg instead of 40 and putting them right from 1 gal pots to 5 gal.

[CANABIZNIS]

Im on day 35 and 30 for the other and thinking about starting flowering now...what made you want to flower earlier next time?

Ps. I went from growing 3 plants in 1 1 gal. pot and transplanting the healthiest into a 3 gal. pot ..The other 2 are still in the one gallon and im going to keep them there, im not going to harvest much off them i dont think..but well see what happens..

[Psycho4Bud]

I remember seeing this method where you cut out the bottom of your smaller pot and set it a couple of inches deep in your new pot. Good Luck!! :thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

Im on day 35 and 30 and thinking about starting flowering now...what made you want to flower earlier?

Seems to be the right height for the plant. You get a lot of grow during the first weeks of flowering. Gotta be able to control that height growing indoors.

[CANABIZNIS]

So you think I should flower now?...The one in the 3 gal pot isnt that tall just really bushy..

[CANABIZNIS]

I could snap a pic real quick and show you if you want..

[Psycho4Bud]

So you think I should flower now?...The one in the 3 gal pot isnt that tall just really bushy..

"Weeks" is a guideline. I usually put them into flower somewhere around 18", I find that manageable for my room. Some go into flower at 12". Depends on how tall you want your babies to be without burning up on your lights when they have fully grown. Good Luck!! :thumbsup:

[CANABIZNIS]

"Weeks" is a guideline. I usually put them into flower somewhere around 18", I find that manageable for my room. Some go into flower at 12". Depends on how tall you want your babies to be without burning up on your lights when they have fully grown. Good Luck!! :thumbsup:



Heres the one in the 3 gal and the other one ..the biggest

[indicloset]

Psycho4Bud - Ya, thats the method I was planning on using.

CANABIZNIS - as I understand it, you can flower anytime after you have a decent amount of secondary growth, its just the longer you leave it in veg., the bigger your yeild will be (to a point).

I want to do a shorter veg next time simply so I only have to transplant once and the whole process will go a bit quicker and easier, also I can harvest more frequently. My long term goals are to do a 50 - 99 plant, 2 level SOG in the storage room. Until then, each grow will get bigger and bigger. They just changed it so anything under 100 plants in my area will only get you probabtion (previously a 2-year sentence). For 4 or under, they just take it all away.

[Psycho4Bud]

I'd put them into flower for sure. Myself, I use growbags...their a little more upright. Is that really only 3 gal.? If so, ya...do the transplant now and definately put em' into flower! Good luck!!! :thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

Psycho4Bud - Ya, thats the method I was planning on using.

CANABIZNIS - as I understand it, you can flower anytime after you have a decent amount of secondary growth, its just the longer you leave it in veg., the bigger your yeild will be (to a point).

I want to do a shorter veg next time simply so I only have to transplant once and the whole process will go a bit quicker and easier, also I can harvest more frequently. My long term goals are to do a 50 - 99 plant, 2 level SOG in the storage room. Until then, each grow will get bigger and bigger. They just changed it so anything under 100 plants in my area will only get you probabtion (previously a 2-year sentence).

I go from peat trays to a six inch pot and then to a 5-7 gallon growbag. Their in the growbags by at least week 4.

[CANABIZNIS]

I'd put them into flower for sure. Myself, I use growbags...their a little more upright. Is that really only 3 gal.? If so, ya...do the transplant now and definately put em' into flower! Good luck!!! :thumbsup:


I actully transplanted that 1 a week ago into the 3 gal pot..It's a 3gal. volcano bucket..


Indicloset..do you live in the states? I havent heard about that law here thats why I was wondereng..I think here in california anything over 1 or 2 is like 4 years prison or something..

[CANABIZNIS]

Looks like ill start flowering tomorrow :)

[indicloset]

I actully transplanted that 1 a week ago into the 3 gal pot..It's a 3gal. volcano bucket..


Indicloset..do you live in the states? I havent heard about that law here thats why I was wondereng..I think here in california anything over 1 or 2 is like 4 years prison or something..


No, I'm in Vancouver, BC, Canada. We got guys like Marc Emery of the BCMP fighting for us and the drug laws have always been very lax around here (not just for pot) and are more often not enforced. Everyone around here either grows it or sells it...I have heard that on average, every 4th house in downtown Vancouver has some sort of grow in it. Shit, just kiddy corner to my apartment, there was someone moving out, they told me to "be careful with the mary jane" as I peeped into their apartment to see rooms scattered with wires and ducting...every apartment complex I or any of my friends have ever lived in has had the smell of pot through the halls and not only from us. I have a friend who was growing about 25 plants in his place...the cops showed up for a domestic dispute and only took the plants and equipment, no charges or arrests. I have also seen and heard a countless number of stories like this and simlilar to this, even involving cops doing illegal things, being very blatently obvious about it and acting like they do it all the time. It is very close to being legalized here, I believe

Check it out :
www.bcmarijuanaparty.com

[indicloset]

Alright, I think I need some help here...or someone to tell me it will be alright..lol. Anyways, I transplanted 1 plant so far and when I cut the bottom off the pot, I cut a few roots as well because there were a few roots that got left behind in the bottom peice I cut off. Also, tiny amounts of soil chunked off and stuck to the bottom of the peice I cut off, in turn, that pulled out a couple roots and caused them to hang from the bottom of the rootball when I lifted it. Is this alright? Will it recover?

Anything I should try differently for the next two?

[CANABIZNIS]

Alright, I think I need some help here...or someone to tell me it will be alright..lol. Anyways, I transplanted 1 plant so far and when I cut the bottom off the pot, I cut a few roots as well because there were a few roots that got left behind in the bottom peice I cut off. Also, tiny amounts of soil chunked off and stuck to the bottom of the peice I cut off, in turn, that pulled out a couple roots and caused them to hang from the bottom of the rootball when I lifted it. Is this alright? Will it recover?

Anything I should try differently for the next two?


I did the same thing with the one i transplanted into the 3gal..might look a little droopy for a couple days but will recover.. Oh and I also had a transplant where I literally lost half the roots off the plant and it lived....for awhile anyways..lol

[indicloset]

day 6 flower...

Thanks, now it doesn't seem so bad. Anyways, I got the female transplanted with no problem whatsoever. It is now in a 3 gal pot sitting on a 5 gal pot. The other bigger one that I transplanted is in a 3 gal pot sitting on another 3 gal pot.

One more left to do, but i'm not going to do it until tomarrow. The reason is that I just watered the two bigger ones yesterday and the female the day before. I think that is why the bigger one didn't go so great, because it was still pretty wet. The female stayed together just fine since it was more dry. Now I know for the future...wait to transplant until the second day after watering. Thats what I did the last time and it went perfect too.

With the amount that I have learned so far through experiance, I think my next grow will go 10x better and smoother (also I wont have to move the plants in the snow in the middle of the grow..lol...I didnt mean for that to rhyme by the way). Thanks alot for all the help so far everyone!

[CANABIZNIS]

lol niice sounds good..im on day 1 flower, close grow buddy of mine :D

[indicloset]

Well, the tall one I transplanted yesterday turned out to be male so I chopped it and hung it. The other tall one I transplanted today, but it looks like it has balls as well...not sure though, I'll see tomarrow.

Here's my question : Do I have to wait for the male to dry before I can make honey oil? I ran out of weed this morning and I really dont want to buy more right now (cant afford it with x-mas coming).

[indicloset]

Got the camera working...

day 4 flower...

[indicloset]

The new closet...

[indicloset]

day 15 flower...

[indicloset]

day 27 flower...

[indicloset]

day 27 continued...

[indicloset]

I found that this older camera works better for close ups so here she is at day 33 of flower...

Let me know what you think...any suggestions at this point?

Not sure how far away I am from harvest...any ideas? I'm guessing about 2 weeks, but who knows.

[indicloset]

day 37 flower...

Alright, well the plant seems to have stopped growing taller (its about 2 ft. tall right now), but the buds seem to be getting a bit bigger, but slowly. The temp has been at 83 - 90 depending on the weather outside since thats where the fan is sucking from. If it goes up to 90, I usually open the door a crack to drop it down a few degrees.

Can someone tell me what they think, is she close to ready? Can I expect the buds to get much bigger, or is it about done?

Also, if I have to look at the trichs, where can I get a 10x magnifier, is it just a regular magnifiying glass?

Anyways, any help would be appreciated. I can wait to try her out, I think the buds look real nice, but I wouldn't mind if they were a bit bigger, we'll see I guess.

[turtle420]

Hey indicloset,
What up?! :)

Dude, your plants are looking sweet in my opinion. As to the buds getting bigger, fatter, stickier, heavier and stonier, I'm sure it'll be that way. I'm a newb, nerver seen a flowering plant (cannabis plant that is, gK&tC)... but my friend, you're on day 37... you've got how many to go? 23 average? Dude, they'll get bigger.

As to the magnifying glass, I suggest you get something more powerfull than 10x. I think 100x is too much, but 40, 60 or 80. I believe. Where to get it? I've read here that you can try Radio Shack. They've got the one for under $10. But, I've gone to various Radio Shacks over where I live, and nothing. :( Good luck with the microscope hunt :thumbsup:

"The temp has been at 83 - 90 depending on the weather outside since thats where the fan is sucking from."
Dude, that describes my situation perfectly... although I do see 80F during the night.

Looking forward to more,

-turtle420 :cool:

[indicloset]

Thanks man. Its good to hear a second opinion, I've been sitting here thinking it should be ready in a week or two since so many hairs are turning orange...lol. I dont know what my nighttime temps are, I dont want to open the door and disturb her during the dark period. I really need to get one of those remote thermometers. The intake fan turns off at night along with the light or I think it will get too cold in there. The osillating fan stays on all night to move the air around.

So its actually a microscope that I need...hmm...so is it something that you hold and look at the trichs on the plant or do you need to take a leaf off and then look at it under the scope?

I was also wondering if anyone knows if mylar will block light out during the light, like if your hold a flashlight to it, would you be able to see the light on the othert side. I was thinking of doing the whole closet in mylar including the floor as well instead of the clear plastic I have down now. That should improve the light and I'm hoping it will also block light out during the night so I can take down the blankets that are hanging over the closet.

[turtle420]

So its actually a microscope that I need...hmm...so is it something that you hold and look at the trichs on the plant or do you need to take a leaf off and then look at it under the scope?

I was also wondering if anyone knows if mylar will block light out during the light, like if your hold a flashlight to it, would you be able to see the light on the othert side. I was thinking of doing the whole closet in mylar including the floor as well instead of the clear plastic I have down now. That should improve the light and I'm hoping it will also block light out during the night so I can take down the blankets that are hanging over the closet.
Indicloset,
No probs man, that's why we're here for.
Yeah, you need a small microscope. A handheld version. As to taking a leaf off, that was what I was thinking of doing... I mean, I'm not going to try and look at the trichomes with my entire hand/body/microscope/plant setup moving back and forth. I was thinking of cutting off a little piece and observing that on a table.

As to the Mylar, yes it will block light... but not perfectly. At least, I've got the 2mil thick version, and I can hold it up to a ceiling bulb, and I'll see the bulb slightly.

Peace closet,

-turtle420 :cool:

[indicloset]

day 43 flower...

Well, I dont think its growing anymore, maybe very very little, is it supposed to be this slow? The seed bank said the flowering time is 4 - 6 weeks, so should I still wait until about 60 days?

I've got a seed, possibly two, one right below the other...I took a pic, but you cant see that great (I circled it). Only two I can find and I cannot find any pollen sacks at all. I have also noticed that there are little tiny yellow leaves starting to stick out of a couple of the buds, dont know what these are.

I added another 5" inline fan so now I have a proper exhaust. I was able to move the light a bit closer as a result, its about 12 inches away now. Its noticably cooler.

[Da1KrayzieThug]

Yes you should and the growth may have stunted because maybe they ran out of root space. Make sure your pot has enough room for their roots. This happened to me on my first grow but I didn't know what it was till I cut them down and tried to take the stem out of the soil (it picked all the soil up along with it.) Anyways, goodluck and I hope you find your problem.

[indicloset]

She is in a 3 gal. pot, sitting on top of a 5 gal. pot. The plant is only 2 ft. tall. I dont think its root bound, there are no roots sticking out the bottom like the other times.

I noticed that the pot always seems pretty heavy, probably because it is so deep. After 4 days of no water even, still pretty heavy, but I water anyways. Each time I water, I give about 3/4 of a gallon (till it just starts to drip out of the bottom).

The one thing that has grown are the little tiny branch buds at the bottom that started growing not too long ago.

[J DOG 6000]

That plant is abused bro...Over watered..PH probably isn't right...I don't somethings been wrong from the begining...maybe buy a book?

[Da1KrayzieThug]

OK. That late into flowering I believe there should be a cutback in the watering. I'm not sure about this so please correct me someone if I'm wrong. But the way I see it is that the plant isn't going to do THAT much growing from here on out besides the flower production. Again, I'm not sure about this. It's real late and I could be way off. Goodluck anyways.

[indicloset]

Ya, I know somethings been wrong from the beginning, I burnt them by giving to much nutes and too often, they lost most of their fan leaves because of that. I did a search on overgrow and I could only find a couple posts about the strain. Apparently it is very sensitive to nutes, it says.

I have the ph drops and if I check the water straight out of the tap, it is already ph'd at 6.5 or so. I leave the water out for at least 24 hrs before watering to let the chlorine evaporate, either that or I boil it somtimes.

I think I will cut back on the watering and see what happens, I'm gonna be watering about once a week now.

I have a couple books and I thought I was following the guidelines, but oh well. Is it possible that the plant doesn't like the nutes I'm giving it? They were all doing great until I started with the nutes. And the bud growth, etc... was doing great up until a couple weeks ago. Fan leaves just started dieing off and then the growth slowed. If you look up the page a bit, you will see her at day 4 flower, I think that she looked decent there.

Oh well, I know next time will be much better. I got the seeds germinateing right now.

[Da1KrayzieThug]

I'm gonna be watering about once a week now

Don't go that far. They do need water, just not a lot. Start off slow and see what goes on. Goodluck.

[indicloset]

Alright, thanks man. You think I should stop feeding nutes now or wait?

[indicloset]

Chopped her down on day 53. Here are the pics. Havnt tried her yet, but the buds look decent...next time will be much better. The next ones are on day 11 of veg by the way. I want to take clones this time and keep a mother plant so I dont have to buy seeds, unless I want to switch strains.

[orangeman]

So sweet...so fresh :stoned:

[indicloset]

Wow, the smoke is very good:stoned: I got about a half oz. (no scale, half ziploc bag), smoked a bit more than half of it so far. Its so sticky, but the buds aren't so dense, I dont think I had the light close enough...among other things...

Thank you to everyone who helped me through this first grow...I would have been so lost without this site.

I'll start up a thread for my second grow soon, which has been in progress for a couple weeks. More females this time hopfully! :rasta:

[indicloset]

Oh, I also got a small amount of some nice honey oil out of the trim.

[orangeman]

I heard of that oil shit but never saw it. It looks like a squashed fly in fly guts lol.

[indicloset]

Haha. Here's my cherry oil. You cant really make out the red to well in the pic, but if you compare it to the other one I posted, you can see the difference. In person its more of a mohogany red color. I make it about once a month since its made from resin from bongs, hooters, pipes, budbuster, stems, crumbs, etc... it has to build up, then I just clean it all with ISO. The Honey oil is made with ISO as well by the way, not butane.