chemical/synthetic drugs related topics???

[ilyas]

what do you think the forum should do with these "kids"?

for the mission's sake people, this is cannabis.com!! huge amount of people are gethering information from these forums everyday...

how will they think cannabis is something different, while seeing all these help demanding junkies & their sick thoughts & their topics ...

damn!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[ilyas]

ok i may be too angry. but i'll not be overwhelmed by fury.

i chose the second one.
another place with a "warning" sign.. :D

[ilikerabbits]

can u get me any crack mate ? i got the dollar ..

[ilyas]

do you accept turkish crack ?

a mystery would happen.. ;)

fuck crack!!!

[Euphoric]

what do you think the forum should do with these "kids"?

for the mission's sake people, this is cannabis.com!! huge amount of people are gethering information from these forums everyday...

how will they think cannabis is something different, while seeing all these help demanding junkies & their sick thoughts & their topics ...

damn!! :mad: :mad: :mad:


They have to be allowed. Damn the mission! wins! mwahaha take that mr horror avatar!!

[nickx760]

ok i may be too angry. but i'll not be overwhelmed by fury.

i chose the second one.
another place with a "warning" sign.. :D


hmmm y would there be a warning sign for other drugs?

[OzzyOz]

it's called cannabis.com, not www.crackandcoke.com

get those fuckin tweaks out of here, anything but weed,alcahol,, shrooms, and maybe LSD.

all these prescription threads about "vicodin" and stuff should be gone also.

[nickx760]

it's called cannabis.com, not www.crackandcoke.com

get those fuckin tweaks out of here, anything but weed,alcahol,, shrooms, and maybe LSD.

all these prescription threads about "vicodin" and stuff should be gone
also.

oh, so we can only talk about drugs you like?? you cant be like "discuss these drugs..but these ones sucks, talk about them and ill ban you"

[420purplehaze420]

who gives a shit let people post what they want you dont have to read it, no ones forcing you

[ilyas]

They have to be allowed. Damn the mission! wins! mwahaha take that mr horror avatar!!

yeah. damn the mission!!! so what were we living for?? :confused: :confused: :D

i love my avatar :o it expresses my feelings hahaha :D too silent to be real, too straight to be fool :D :D :D :confused:

[ilyas]

hmmm y would there be a warning sign for other drugs?

'cos weed is far more different then the chemically produced, manipulated, synthesized drugs. it's the common stereotype man. people are reading these forums. we, potheads have to destroy the liiieees :rolleyes:

whatever, i believe weed's different... :cool:

[ermitonto]

I thought the whole point of the legalization thing was to not judge people by what they decide to put into their own bodies, and to talk about the effects of drugs in a rational, level-headed manner, rather than simply labeling whatever substances you don't like as "bad" and censoring discussion about them.

[mrdevious]

I saw leave it alone. If anybody wants to know about other drugs, it's best they can go to a secure place and ask questions, and hear about peoples personal experiences. The whole point of having the "other psychadelics" forums is to keep it seperate but still available, otherwise we'd just be censoring more free speach. There's a lot of dumb people who think that if you cover something up and punish those who talk about it, it'll make the problem go away, which anybody with a bit of intelligence knows just doesnt' work.

[ilyas]

it's called cannabis.com, not www.crackandcoke.com

get those fuckin tweaks out of here, anything but weed,alcahol,, shrooms, and maybe LSD.

all these prescription threads about "vicodin" and stuff should be gone also.

yes!!! :D you're like a savior ozzy. i felt myself too alone in this "whatever" jungle. :D :D

come on, we have to understand.. this is what they want to see, so they'll just believe in their prejudicies easily.

this is called "misleading". it's not even fair...

[ermitonto]

I don't really see the point of stooping down to the level of sites like Freevibe, who censor anything that doesn't agree with their predetermined standards of which drugs are okay and which ones aren't. Like mrdevious said, people need a place where they can talk about these things, if for no other reason than to provide a source of knowledge about the effects of these drugs outside the framework of the government propaganda (they're not just spreading disinformation about weed you know). The only thing worse than being addicted to some of those hard drugs is being addicted to them and not being correctly informed about them.

[ilyas]

oh, so we can only talk about drugs you like?? you cant be like "discuss these drugs..but these ones sucks, talk about them and ill ban you"

this is a poll man. a question. there are choices. the main point is how you feel about it, this way.

i may easily say that, with the help of cannabis.com forums; an (already brainwashed) individual would easily think cannabis as a gateway drug, and after some reading the same individual will say cannabis is no different from the pharmaceuticals...

but this is not true!!!

[ilyas]

who gives a shit let people post what they want you dont have to read it, no ones forcing you

i'm not talking about me. anyways i feel sorry for the chemical "brothers". but that's not the point.

i'd simply say; a searching individual (the one we'd appreciate) has a right to gether the truth. and the truth of cannabis is that :

mj is something different. the guys you hear everywhere are talking nonsense

[ermitonto]

All drugs are different. The point is to get past the mentality that substances can be evil in themselves, and to critically evaluate the effects of potentially harmful substances rather than lumping them all into one category of "bad drugs". The same principle holds whether you include cannabis in the bad drugs category or not. Anybody provided with truthful, non-biased information about drugs will quickly realize that cannabis is not nearly as dangerous as other substances can be. We don't need to determine for other people what drugs are good and what drugs aren't; everybody is capable of drawing their own conclusions, and those differing conclusions need to be tolerated if we want to respect freedom of expression. Why filter the available information based on our own opinions? Whose opinions on what drugs are okay should determine what gets censored?

[ilyas]

I thought the whole point of the legalization thing was to not judge people by what they decide to put into their own bodies, and to talk about the effects of drugs in a rational, level-headed manner, rather than simply labeling whatever substances you don't like as "bad" and censoring discussion about them.

come on, nothing's so big!! it's not yet possible to erase the prejudicies of people, by legalizing something. people will judge others for much smaller things. at least for a long time.

let us always be rational. when someone believes that weed is different, then the rational thing to do is saying it so.

and i'd also be happier, if everybody thinks about it this way too.

legalize the chemicals. i don't care. but the consequences will occur for sure.i'd frankly talk about that...

[ermitonto]

Regardless of whether or not the substances ever get legalized, there will be hordes of people using them. And most of those people will also be cannabis smokers. Better to let them talk about what they're doing and allow them to get feedback from the experienced people here, than force them to shut up about it and keep on taking their drug of choice in ignorance of what might have been helpful or even life-saving information.

[ilyas]

I don't really see the point of stooping down to the level of sites like Freevibe, who censor anything that doesn't agree with their predetermined standards of which drugs are okay and which ones aren't. Like mrdevious said, people need a place where they can talk about these things, if for no other reason than to provide a source of knowledge about the effects of these drugs outside the framework of the government propaganda (they're not just spreading disinformation about weed you know). The only thing worse than being addicted to some of those hard drugs is being addicted to them and not being correctly informed about them.

what are you talking about??? who told you about cencorship??

nobody's cencoring noone. it is just a choice. don't choose it. i didn't choose it as i've written to my second message. there are two more choices. if you don't choose the other ones, it is still ok. you see!! no cencorship :D

but for me: "weed is good, chemicals are bad" is a fact. and i'd prefer it to be written to the sky above. after that we'd talk about everything. no cencorship!!! :D

[Euphoric]

BEST TO LISTEN TO ERMITONTO. DUDE KNOWS HIS SHIT. NOT LITERALLY.

NOBODY IS GOING TO LISTEN TO THE GUY WITH THE HORROR AVATAR ANYWAY hahaHAH ;)

[ilyas]

by the way sorry about my speed. i'm a bit high :) and english is not my native language.

i'd have created miracles if we were talking in turkish :D

[Euphoric]

GOOD JOB SPEAKING ENGLISH HORRORMAN :)

[ilyas]

All drugs are different. The point is to get past the mentality that substances can be evil in themselves, and to critically evaluate the effects of potentially harmful substances rather than lumping them all into one category of "bad drugs". The same principle holds whether you include cannabis in the bad drugs category or not. Anybody provided with truthful, non-biased information about drugs will quickly realize that cannabis is not nearly as dangerous as other substances can be. We don't need to determine for other people what drugs are good and what drugs aren't; everybody is capable of drawing their own conclusions, and those differing conclusions need to be tolerated if we want to respect freedom of expression. Why filter the available information based on our own opinions? Whose opinions on what drugs are okay should determine what gets censored?

ok no cencorship and no dictatorship neither. there is a possibility that you're not replying my messages. if so, i'm already sorry.

nobody has to conclude about good and bad. talking about cannabis in cannabis.com forums is a normal thing.

and everybody would say anything they want to say. but when they talk about other drugs let's let them have a place of thier own :D

i don't want parents to see all these subjects mixed up, when they search cannabis by google. this is my opinion actually. no dictatorship :D not me :D :D

just a wish for the cause..

[ilyas]

Regardless of whether or not the substances ever get legalized, there will be hordes of people using them. And most of those people will also be cannabis smokers. Better to let them talk about what they're doing and allow them to get feedback from the experienced people here, than force them to shut up about it and keep on taking their drug of choice in ignorance of what might have been helpful or even life-saving information.

no man. you can't be replying me.

you had a pre-arranged text and you cut it into pieces. and now sending them one by one :D :D :D

elementary my dears. now i'm relieved... :cool: :cool:

[ilyas]

GOOD JOB SPEAKING ENGLISH HORRORMAN :)

if you say so, i'm in.. :cool:

don't pre-judge me by my avatar. smoke&legalize weed, so all your prejudicies will be gone for good :D :D

by the way, the horroman is actually very emotional and romantic deep down :confused: :confused: :D :D

[Nullific]

Anybody who believes posts about 'chemical' drugs should be censored is a fucking moron. Here is ny reasoning:


All drugs are chemicals. delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol is a chemical in marijuana.
Psilocybin is the chemical in shrooms responsible for the trip.
By 'chemical' you appear to be refering to synthetic drugs and assume 'natural' substances are safer. Nicotine is a natural substance, one of the deadlist poisons known to man. Cocaine is also a naturally occurring substance.
Natural does not mean safe. Synthetic does not mean dangerous.
You're rejecting what the government says about marijuana, but believing the bullshit they say about other drugs.

[ermitonto]

what are you talking about??? who told you about cencorship??

nobody's cencoring noone. it is just a choice. don't choose it.
The first option in the poll says "They have to be deleted and the posters have to be warned." That's censorship, and I was arguing why it's a bad idea. Moving topics you don't like to a specific forum for "kids not to be taken seriously" is just a milder form of censorship, and would also be a bad idea for similar reasons.

[ilyas]

Anybody who believes posts about 'chemical' drugs should be censored is a fucking moron. Here is ny reasoning:


All drugs are chemicals. delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol is a chemical in marijuana.
Psilocybin is the chemical in shrooms responsible for the trip.
By 'chemical' you appear to be refering to synthetic drugs and assume 'natural' substances are safer. Nicotine is a natural substance, one of the deadlist poisons known to man. Cocaine is also a naturally occurring substance.
Natural does not mean safe. Synthetic does not mean dangerous.
You're rejecting what the government says about marijuana, but believing the bullshit they say about other drugs.


you guys just don't listen do you?? why are you so locked up to that non-existant censorship thing?? is this some kind of fear, or just paranoia ?? don't you even try to think about "your" ideas??

there is something called legalization ok?? and the motto is not "legalize everything, let everybody say like their racist ideas too, wipe out everything that controls our minds". although the points may be proper, that's not the way it is done. people's minds have overdoses too. step by step. otherways we wouldn't be more than a bunch of screaming lunatics..

also your reasons have deep holes. some are incomplete, but unfortunately mostly incorrect.

- from the beginning i was talking about weed. not shrooms, opium, khat, coca, salvia, cacti or whatever. all these things have to be handled differently from weed. but no!! you'll continue to say what is written in your mind, and talk, without listening

- the word "chemicals" has been clearly defined in the other posts. these definitions were found unnecessary for "cannabis.com" at first, but now i sadly see that they weren't even enough.(for you)

- you talk like a very small kid, who has some basic chemistry knowledge, but no deep research and mind. when you say THC is the only thing in mj, then i'd advice you to use "marinol" pills. they have THC in controlled dosages. but you have to face the side-effects. and you'll be addicted too. this seems to me like a great difference between THC and mj. you're just like these rocket scientists, saying they found something, but deep down they don't even know what they're talking about.

- i don't say naturals are safer, i say weed is safe!! it's so simple, that i wrote it this way. why not reading first. another unfortunate ignorance: cocaine is far more different than the coca plant and its leaves. lots of reactions (and additions) take place in extracting and preperation processes. i have to feel sorry about that misinformation, but this is just one of them...

- synthetic means dangerous in drugs (i actually think that they are "always" dangerous, but that's not the point now). manipulation is a neverlasting process, but chemists are already forcing the limits.

- an individual has to hold the "beliefs". everything is not connected to the governments' bullshit. but i'm sure you'll just say "it's bs!!" before holding any information and therefore belief. i don't believe any bullshit about anything, but i'm sure i don't believe your bullshit.

[Nullific]

Alright you little fuck head now it's my turn.


there is something called legalization ok?? and the motto is not "legalize everything, let everybody say like their racist ideas too, wipe out everything that controls our minds". although the points may be proper, that's not the way it is done. people's minds have overdoses too. step by step. otherways we wouldn't be more than a bunch of screaming lunatics..
Ahh, the words of a screaming lunatic. My motto just so happens to be 'legalize everything'. The consequences of drug use would be much less severe if they were all legal, both on the individual user and the whole of society.
I didn't think this thread was about legalization of anything though. I thought you were asking the members of this board what should be done with threads about drugs other than cannabis.

chemical/synthetic drugs related topics???
what do you think the forum should do with these "kids"? My response as a member of Cannabis.com was essentially that you should fuck off, because some of us 'kids' like to talk about highly addicting, highly dangerous drugs that will blow your mind sky high.


from the beginning i was talking about weed. not shrooms, opium, khat, coca, salvia, cacti or whatever. all these things have to be handled differently from weed. but no!! you'll continue to say what is written in your mind, and talk, without listening Duh! You only want to see posts about pot. You asked others what they think the board should do about posts that are about drugs other than pot. I said anybody who thinks they should be censored is a moron.
Am I missing something?


the word "chemicals" has been clearly defined in the other posts. these definitions were found unnecessary for "cannabis.com" at first, but now i sadly see that they weren't even enough.(for you) No, you asshole. All you said was "chemical/synthetic drugs related topics". Which was understood to mean any drug other than cannbis. Then someone else said "anything but weed,alcahol,, shrooms, and maybe LSD."


you talk like a very small kid, who has some basic chemistry knowledge, but no deep research and mind. when you say THC is the only thing in mj, then i'd advice you to use "marinol" pills. they have THC in controlled dosages. but you have to face the side-effects. and you'll be addicted too. this seems to me like a great difference between THC and mj. you're just like these rocket scientists, saying they found something, but deep down they don't even know what they're talking about. Did I say THC was the only think in mj?
Because I was pretty sure I said
delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol is a chemical in marijuana. You talk like a douche-bag who has no chemistry knowldge. Dronabinol is the same is THC structurally. The difference between Marinol pills and marijuana is that Marinol contains one active ingredient, pot contains money. I would love to see any evidence you have to present to me showing how addictive dronabinol is in comparison with marijuana.

I don't have time for this shit, gotta smoke a blunt. I can finish you off later.

[ermitonto]

pwn3d!

[Nullific]

The difference between Marinol pills and marijuana is that Marinol contains one active ingredient, pot contains money. Oops, I just now realized that pot doesn't contain money. The word was supposed to be 'many'.


i don't say naturals are safer, i say weed is safe!! it's so simple, that i wrote it this way. why not reading first. another unfortunate ignorance: cocaine is far more different than the coca plant and its leaves. lots of reactions (and additions) take place in extracting and preperation processes. i have to feel sorry about that misinformation, but this is just one of them... The only difference is that coca leaves have a lower concentration of cocaine than street coke or crack. The routes of administration also differ. Street cocaine is generally insufflated, smoked or injected. Coca leaves found in nature are chewed by people in South America to produce a mild stimulation. This does not change the fact that cocaine is a naturally occurring substance. You could compare coca leaves and cocaine to low-quality shrub and hash oil, wine and hard liquor.


synthetic means dangerous in drugs (i actually think that they are "always" dangerous, but that's not the point now). manipulation is a neverlasting process, but chemists are already forcing the limits. LSD is a synthetic substance, like THC it is virtually non-toxic.
Who is manipulating who?


an individual has to hold the "beliefs". everything is not connected to the governments' bullshit. but i'm sure you'll just say "it's bs!!" before holding any information and therefore belief. i don't believe any bullshit about anything, but i'm sure i don't believe your bullshit. Yes, everything about the War on Drugs is connected to the governments bullshit. Most everything they say about every drug is misinformation, gutter science and blatant lies. I know this from research and personal experience.
The War on some Drugs is provided for by the tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical industries of Corporate America.

The More You Know!!!


You can further your knowledge of cocaine by checking out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine

Dronabinol and THC
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/drona.htm
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_chemistry.shtml

[ilyas]

you (nullifuck) are an idiot because:::


Alright you little fuck head now it's my turn.

ok. this was the first reason...


Ahh, the words of a screaming lunatic. My motto just so happens to be 'legalize everything'. The consequences of drug use would be much less severe if they were all legal, both on the individual user and the whole of society.
I didn't think this thread was about legalization of anything though. I thought you were asking the members of this board what should be done with threads about drugs other than cannabis.

fuck your motto. i can't care less about that bullshit. your motto is nothing, not more than an idea of an asshole. these are what i think. and i'm saying it. and you're saying i'm saying it too. this shit is already about your motto. your motto is what i don't like. the poll was opened because of this motto (you're not a lonely fuck, you have friend fucks too). and the first post was about what i think about you and your fucking motto. this thread is strongly connected to the legalization cause or idea.

so if you want a "legalization" poll, you fucking open it. i'm not asking people if they want legalization or not.


My response as a member of Cannabis.com was essentially that you should fuck off, because some of us 'kids' like to talk about highly addicting, highly dangerous drugs that will blow your mind sky high.

yeah the membership...WTF are you talking about? you're acting like a kid. what should i do now? cry?? because your fucking brain could still made your hands move. come on.. you have to be more than 15.


Duh! You only want to see posts about pot. You asked others what they think the board should do about posts that are about drugs other than pot. I said anybody who thinks they should be censored is a moron.
Am I missing something?

yeah. you're missing the fact that you are a moron. i was talking about just weed. but suddenly you talked about shrooms as a "wrong" example. also THC has an "a", but shrooms has "the". don't change the subject. you are an idiot. look at the "bold"s:


All drugs are chemicals. delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol is a chemical in marijuana.
Psilocybin is the chemical in shrooms responsible for the trip.



No, you asshole. All you said was "chemical/synthetic drugs related topics". Which was understood to mean any drug other than cannbis. Then someone else said "anything but weed,alcahol,, shrooms, and maybe LSD."

you still don't know what you're talking about. you're humiliating yourself.

you understood "chemical/synthetic drugs" as "any other drug than cannabis". and i was just talking about that in the title..

someone is not our issue here. as in "someone else said" . you ARE retarded.


Did I say THC was the only think in mj?
Because I was pretty sure I said

not for the weed but for the shrooms asshole. i told you that.


You talk like a douche-bag who has no chemistry knowldge. Dronabinol is the same is THC structurally. The difference between Marinol pills and marijuana is that Marinol contains one active ingredient, pot contains money. I would love to see any evidence you have to present to me showing how addictive dronabinol is in comparison with marijuana.

I don't have time for this shit, gotta smoke a blunt. I can finish you off later.

Now the funny part. you are a kid without knowledge and you don't want to learn neither. opium is created for you. so you can just fuck off and sleep without saying anything.

follow link for the pdf

http://www.marinol.com/pdfs/patient_brochure.pdf

at the end of the document. you'll find "drug abuse and dependence" title. just read it asshole. and after the blunt... go finish yourself, jerk off!!!!

[Nullific]

You asked what the members think of threads about drugs other than cannabis and I am fucking telling you.
Holy fucking Jesus Christ, you have been here for not even a month by the looks of it and you want to come here and tell me and other members what we should and shouldn't be posting about?


yeah the membership...WTF are you talking about? you're acting like a kid. what should i do now? cry?? because your fucking brain could still made your hands move. come on.. you have to be more than 15. Again, you asked the members of the board what we think should be done when people make threads about drugs other than cannabis.
Seeing as how I am a member of the board, I kindly suggested you fuck off. My hands are moving fine, and yes I am more than 15. :D


yeah. you're missing the fact that you are a moron. i was talking about just weed. but suddenly you talked about shrooms as a "wrong" example. also THC has an "a", but shrooms has "the". don't change the subject. you are an idiot. look at the "bold"s No, you just missed the dude who posted and specified certain other drugs that might be allowed. This is why I was providing you with examples of the chemicals found in natural drugs. THC is a (one of many) chemicals in marijuana responsible for the high. There are over 60 cannabinoids in marijuana, you know. Mushrooms contain primarily psilocybin and psilocin (which oxidizes into psilocybin anyways), it is most responsible for the trip produced.


someone is not our issue here. as in "someone else said" . you ARE retarded. My bad, my bad, I was just too lazy to quote specific people and made a generalized response.


Quote:
Did I say THC was the only think in mj?
Because I was pretty sure I said


not for the weed but for the shrooms asshole. i told you that. Ahaha, yes you just told me in one of the previous comments of yours I quoted from your previous post...I should have realized sooner.


you are a kid without knowledge and you don't want to learn neither. opium is created for you. so you can just fuck off and sleep without saying anything. Was that meant as an insult or what?

follow link for the pdf

http://www.marinol.com/pdfs/patient_brochure.pdf

at the end of the document. you'll find "drug abuse and dependence" title. just read it asshole. and after the blunt... go finish yourself, jerk off!!!! You must not have read past the title yourself.
Here are some snippets for you:

MARINOL® (Dronabinol) Capsules is one of the psychoactive compounds present in cannabis, and
is abusable and controlled [Schedule III (CIII)] under the Controlled Substances Act. Both
psychological and physiological dependence have been noted in healthy individuals receiving
dronabinol, but addiction is uncommon and has only been seen after prolonged high dose
administration.

Chronic abuse of cannabis has been associated with decrements in motivation, cognition,
judgement, and perception. The etiology of these impairments is unknown, but may be associated
with the complex process of addiction rather than an isolated effect of the drug. No such decrements
in psychological, social or neurological status have been associated with the administration of
MARINOL® Capsules for therapeutic purposes.

These withdrawal symptoms gradually dissipated over the next 48 hours. Electroencephalographic
changes consistent with the effects of drug withdrawal (hyperexcitation) were
recorded in patients after abrupt dechallenge. Patients also complained of disturbed sleep for several
weeks after discontinuing therapy with high dosages of dronabinol. Withdrawals similar to suddenly stopping smoking marijuana if you had been heavily.

[Seag420]

i think people should be able to post what they want on these boards. however, any1 who messes about with coke, herion and all that other dirty shit is gona end up paying bigtime adventually. stick to the herb!

[ilyas]

You asked what the members think of threads about drugs other than cannabis and I am fucking telling you.
Holy fucking Jesus Christ, you have been here for not even a month by the looks of it and you want to come here and tell me and other members what we should and shouldn't be posting about?


Quote:
yeah the membership...WTF are you talking about? you're acting like a kid. what should i do now? cry?? because your fucking brain could still made your hands move. come on.. you have to be more than 15.

Again, you asked the members of the board what we think should be done when people make threads about drugs other than cannabis.
Seeing as how I am a member of the board, I kindly suggested you fuck off. My hands are moving fine, and yes I am more than 15.


Quote:
yeah. you're missing the fact that you are a moron. i was talking about just weed. but suddenly you talked about shrooms as a "wrong" example. also THC has an "a", but shrooms has "the". don't change the subject. you are an idiot. look at the "bold"s

No, you just missed the dude who posted and specified certain other drugs that might be allowed. This is why I was providing you with examples of the chemicals found in natural drugs. THC is a (one of many) chemicals in marijuana responsible for the high. There are over 60 cannabinoids in marijuana, you know. Mushrooms contain primarily psilocybin and psilocin (which oxidizes into psilocybin anyways), it is most responsible for the trip produced.

Quote:

someone is not our issue here. as in "someone else said" . you ARE retarded.

My bad, my bad, I was just too lazy to quote specific people and made a generalized response.

Quote:
Quote:
Did I say THC was the only think in mj?
Because I was pretty sure I said


not for the weed but for the shrooms asshole. i told you that.

Ahaha, yes you just told me in one of the previous comments of yours I quoted from your previous post...I should have realized sooner.


Quote:
you are a kid without knowledge and you don't want to learn neither. opium is created for you. so you can just fuck off and sleep without saying anything.

Was that meant as an insult or what?

Quote:
follow link for the pdf

http://www.marinol.com/pdfs/patient_brochure.pdf

at the end of the document. you'll find "drug abuse and dependence" title. just read it asshole. and after the blunt... go finish yourself, jerk off!!!!

You must not have read past the title yourself.
Here are some snippets for you:

Quote:
MARINOL® (Dronabinol) Capsules is one of the psychoactive compounds present in cannabis, and
is abusable and controlled [Schedule III (CIII)] under the Controlled Substances Act. Both
psychological and physiological dependence have been noted in healthy individuals receiving
dronabinol, but addiction is uncommon and has only been seen after prolonged high dose
administration.

Chronic abuse of cannabis has been associated with decrements in motivation, cognition,
judgement, and perception. The etiology of these impairments is unknown, but may be associated
with the complex process of addiction rather than an isolated effect of the drug. No such decrements
in psychological, social or neurological status have been associated with the administration of
MARINOL® Capsules for therapeutic purposes.

These withdrawal symptoms gradually dissipated over the next 48 hours. Electroencephalographic
changes consistent with the effects of drug withdrawal (hyperexcitation) were
recorded in patients after abrupt dechallenge. Patients also complained of disturbed sleep for several
weeks after discontinuing therapy with high dosages of dronabinol.

Withdrawals similar to suddenly stopping smoking marijuana if you had been heavily.


anyway man you're just out of control. everytime you write so much bullshit even quicker.

[Nullific]

I just used your own source against you buddy, anybody can follow that link to verify and the same information is on the rxlist.com link I posted before you. All I did was point out parts that make you look like a fool in bold.

So what does everyone else think?

[ilyas]

whatever.. :cool: :cool: :dance: :dance: :smokin:

[OzzyOz]

if you wanna post about "other drugs", do so in the other section of the forum... "pyschoactive" or whatever...

CANNABIS, CANNABIS, CANNABIS

Down with you stupid fuckin tweakers. I don't give a shit if harder drugs are "ok" in moderation and control!!!!!!!


i forgot where it is, but on the net theres a forum for opiates (vicodin etc. )

go to dance safe for XTC info.


erowid.org will have all the info for you crack heads to destory your minds! go there, it has all the info you'll ever need on any drug pretty much.

[Nullific]

Do I go around calling you a fucking pussy bitch too scared to try the 'real' drugs?
No, because to do so would be far from the truth. So shut the fuck up and refrain from calling those of us who use other drugs 'crack heads' and 'stupid fuckin tweakers'. You fucking pot head loser.

If you havn't used a drug don't say shit about it or the people that do, it's plain ignorance.

[ilyas]

Do I go around calling you a fucking pussy bitch too scared to try the 'real' drugs?
No, because to do so would be far from the truth. So shut the fuck up and refrain from calling those of us who use other drugs 'crack heads' and 'stupid fuckin tweakers'. You fucking pot head loser.

If you havn't used a drug don't say shit about it or the people that do, it's plain ignorance.

uuuuuuuu this has to be da drug lord.

you know no shit 'bout drugs.

and you ARE "crack heads" and the other thing you said..

you say: if we try the "shit"s, we'll not feel like this and we'll respect them.

i don't care about you son. you are a joke..

you're out of control in stupidity...

[Nullific]

No, I am not a crack head. Though I have smoked crack on multiple occassions I find the feeling it produces isn't worth the price, no way I could afford to use it even once a week.

No, I did not say:

if we try the "shit"s, we'll not feel like this and we'll respect them
I said,

If you havn't used a drug don't say shit about it or the people that do, it's plain ignorance.In other words it isn't any of your business what people put into their bodies be it marijuana, lsd or heroin. If you havn't used the drug you probably don't know anything about it. I research every drug I try before I try it. I have a reputation on this board for providing truthful, reliable information about a wide variety of substances. If anybody is a joke, if anybody don't "no shit 'bout drugs" it is you darling.

[ilyas]

No, I am not a crack head. Though I have smoked crack on multiple occassions I find the feeling it produces isn't worth the price, no way I could afford to use it even once a week.

No, I did not say:

I said,
In other words it isn't any of your business what people put into their bodies be it marijuana, lsd or heroin. If you havn't used the drug you probably don't know anything about it. I research every drug I try before I try it. I have a reputation on this board for providing truthful, reliable information about a wide variety of substances. If anybody is a joke, if anybody don't "no shit 'bout drugs" it is you darling.

no you're not a crackhead because you don't have enough money. you're just trying to be a crackhead. and this is worse then being a crackhead.

fuck the board man. just be yourself. you have a really fucked up reputation in my mind. you don't know shit, and you don't respect..

i'll be fasting tomorrow, so i have to sleep now. but i'll miss you monkey boy..

[acidtrip]

Sorry to interupt but...

ilyas and OzzyOz your both a bunch of stupid pricks. Fuck off.

[Seag420]

y should they fuck off, cos they belive that cocaine and herion are bad for you? its about time someone criticied those and other dirty ass drugs. what some people dont seem to get is that those drugs will fuck up any1 who is foolish enough to keep taking them. im sure that injecting herion or snorting coke makes u feel fucking amazing, but thats the problem with them, to say that someone is ignorant because they criticise drugs that fuck up thousands of lives world wide everyday is, well ignorant. but its your bodies, do as you will, just dont expect any 'spare parts' like a new heart, liver lungs or whatever when u inevitably need them in the future! weed aint harmless, but all in all, its alot safer than that other shit. ignorant?-you bet i am!

[Nullific]

no you're not a crackhead because you don't have enough money. you're just trying to be a crackhead. and this is worse then being a crackhead.

fuck the board man. just be yourself. you have a really fucked up reputation in my mind. you don't know shit, and you don't respect..

i'll be fasting tomorrow, so i have to sleep now. but i'll miss you monkey boy..
Don't tell me what I am bitch how can you even say that I am "trying to be a crackhead"? How can you say that I speak like a kid and then turn around and call me 'monkey boy'? What kind of a demented fuck are you?
The only thing you have proven here is that you can't hold a valid argument.


its about time someone criticied those and other dirty ass drugs. what some people dont seem to get is that those drugs will fuck up any1 who is foolish enough to keep taking them. im sure that injecting herion or snorting coke makes u feel fucking amazing, but thats the problem with them, to say that someone is ignorant because they criticise drugs that fuck up thousands of lives world wide everyday is, well ignorant. but its your bodies, do as you will, just dont expect any 'spare parts' like a new heart, liver lungs or whatever when u inevitably need them in the future! weed aint harmless, but all in all, its alot safer than that other shit. ignorant?-you bet i am! Just about everywhere I go people are criticizing these 'dirty ass drugs'. People could use the same bullshit argument against marijuana smokers, saying "I am sure pot makes you feel fucking amazing and thats the problem with it". If you heard someone say that I am sure you would be quick to tell them to shut the fuck up.
What I find ignorant is all of the people fallaciously stating that drugs fuck up peoples lives. I have little sympathy for drug addicts, if you can't handle the substance don't do it. In reality there is no instant addiction, sorry but you have to consciously make the decision to use a drug consecutively before physical withdrawals manifest upon its cessation.
Drug laws just make drugs like coke and heroin dirtier and expensive. They also make drugs easily available to minors who are not responsible enough to use them in moderation.
I never said coke and heroin were harmless, though they're negative effects are certainly exaggerated and exacerbated by prohibition. My arguments were not meant to apply to just coke or heroin, those are just the extremes. All posts about all drugs should be allowed, it is inane to pick and choose specific drugs to allow discussion of based soley on their presence in nature.
So you only want to see posts about cannabis, but some will argue other 'naturals' should be included and some will argue alcohol should be included. My point is that you can't correlate the safety of a drug and thus its 'postability' this way or in terms of 'hard'/'soft' because everybodies idea of what qualifies a drug as 'hard' is different.
It would be a major upset to many members if posts about alcohol were prohibited, especially seeing as how it is legal and marijuana is not. Alcohol is also a horribly intoxicating and addictive substance, with a risk of death of 1:1,000 users. Compare this to risk of death associated with MDMA and cocaine (1:100,000), Ketamine (1:100,000,000) and LSD (1:1,000,000).

[thcbongman]

'cos weed is far more different then the chemically produced, manipulated, synthesized drugs. it's the common stereotype man. people are reading these forums. we, potheads have to destroy the liiieees :rolleyes:

whatever, i believe weed's different... :cool:

The sad thing is there not all lies.

It's all depends on the scenario. I seen heroin addicts that hold down jobs and are completely healthy, and potheads that you would think are crack fiends.

You don't want to hang around people that hold those type of stereotypes anyway. You are simply attempting to be the anti-stereotype.

[paperlunatic]

if i was offered acid or pot, i think i would take the acid, so its nice to learn and talk about the chemicles and such.

[Flesh420]

Regardless of whether or not the substances ever get legalized, there will be hordes of people using them. And most of those people will also be cannabis smokers. Better to let them talk about what they're doing and allow them to get feedback from the experienced people here, than force them to shut up about it and keep on taking their drug of choice in ignorance of what might have been helpful or even life-saving information.

See thats the problem all the people who dont smoke weed say that when u smoke it your the devil or your so bad for smokeing that. But yet they either havent tryed it or tryed it once and dont rember it, and now they arnt doing that drug, but yet they judge u for doing it and say that it will lead to other drugs, but they arnt the one doing it so they have no idea what there talking about. If they did smoke it they would know that its not a gateway drug. And that it can have allot of positvie effects in ur life. Even change u if ur a hate full person :rasta: . Thats what these "kids" need to be learning from these forums.

Sorry dudes im high but thats my 2 cents. :stoned:

[ilyas]

i don't want to quote people, and show others how dumb a man can be. and i don't want to waste my time with so much bullshit-prayers, who has no idea what the fuck goes on around. not any more...

there are some idiots (they know themselves) who deserve mouthful of "good-will"s, but it's not fair to answer them, while not answering the brain-hand combination guy.

i just care about weed. the plant, the fibre, the adaptation, the shit (fertilizer), the soil, the sun, the water... eventually nature. so the aspect is the legalization of weed itself.

i don't care if the others will be legalized or not. but i'm sure legalizing weed alone is the only proper first step. and to reach that, people have to be convinced about the fact: weed is different.

i'll not even try to convince a fucked-up mind that thinks weed is more or less the same with the others. and i also feel ashamed for being together with the things, who defend the use of these substances. being a junkie would be a breakthrough for these fucks, to broaden their minds.

cannabis.com is a very important site for me in the legalization process. and these forementioned assholes are a great danger to the mission for sure.

i don't say this forum is full of ignorant people by looking at the poll results. because i know the fact people use their manipulated instincts, before their logic. whatever...

this thread is not about freedom of speech, so the third option guys will not be freedom fighters. everybody is free to express the thoughts, but if any of you say the bullshit about synthetics...

you saw what happened. :D :D :D :cool: :cool:

[death of sXe]

What kind of a demented fuck are you?


HAhahhah :glugglug: :dance:

[thcbongman]

i don't want to quote people, and show others how dumb a man can be. and i don't want to waste my time with so much bullshit-prayers, who has no idea what the fuck goes on around. not any more...

there are some idiots (they know themselves) who deserve mouthful of "good-will"s, but it's not fair to answer them, while not answering the brain-hand combination guy.

i just care about weed. the plant, the fibre, the adaptation, the shit (fertilizer), the soil, the sun, the water... eventually nature. so the aspect is the legalization of weed itself.


You claim you are some mission to help further legalize weed, but yet you are calling people idiots for not agreeing with you. Good job making the cause looking good by name-calling, portraying deep rooted ignorance and not using facts to back up your claims, just mindless rhetoric.

What makes you think something natural = automatically good? Are you going to get Datura now? It's 100% natural, yet people don't do it. Why? It the most dangerous drug literally. You have ZERO control. None. You could take it and end up on San Francisco with Chinese man up your ass, and you wouldn't know how you got there. Are you going to wipe yourself with poison ivy? It's natural, therefore it must be good.

Do you see the thinking errors you are making? You don't help the cause more than these "synthetic crackheads."

Don't act like you are more superior than people who use other drugs, because you are exactly like those sober people who condemn marijuana, the people who keep marijuana illegal. They think exactly the same as you, through blind ignorance.

Am I denying that hard drugs can cause damage to ones self? Absolutely not. Unlike you, I experienced it first hand. If anyone should be talking shit about synthetic hard drugs, it's me, all the other "synthetic crackheads," not you. It's obvious you don't know jack shit about them and you don't look knowledgeable in the process.

If it's your choice to not use synthetic drugs, more power to you, you are strong. However talking shit and condemning them while condoning marijuana is I must say plain ignorant and you stoop to the level of those cowards you speak against.

I hope you frickin' wake up, learn to help the cause the right away, and go after the real enemy.

[Melton420]

dude lighten up were here to have fun not get BANNED or some shit, just cool it and smoke man

[kobeite]

Ilyas, you truly ARE an idiot. Stop talking.

Nullific IS a kid, but a smart one. I think you are right for the most part but there are things that we fundamentally disagree upon. You have mentioned several times that the individual is the one to control addiction, only you and your actions attritubute to your addiction, but the question is, how EASY is it to control addiction. You make it sound like it is a piece of cake. I hate to admit it, but there was a time when I thought I could get addicted to particular drug. I am an intelligent woman with a good bringing, always got drug grades, always had a good job. I never felt that something could control ME. Well, it didn't, but it could've. Do you think people who once had nice and normal lives actually WANT to be wasted junkie? No, they're in that predicament becuase the drug ended up controlling them. My point basically is that yes I agree we make the consciensce effort to go out and get the drug, but no we are not always able to control ourselves. It's simply not as easy as you make it to be.

[ilyas]

you're out of your element thcbog. you didn't read the posts i sent, or you just simply didn't understand them.


You claim you are some mission to help further legalize weed, but yet you are calling people idiots for not agreeing with you. Good job making the cause looking good by name-calling, portraying deep rooted ignorance and not using facts to back up your claims, just mindless rhetoric.

i'm not calling people idiot, for not agreeing with me. i'm calling people who think weed is more or less the same as the others. (both natural or synthetics). So that makes sense for the mission. We'd never be able to legalize weed, if we say "weed is not different from LSD". And yes!! for me the one who says that, deserves to be called as an idiot.


What makes you think something natural = automatically good? Are you going to get Datura now? It's 100% natural, yet people don't do it. Why? It the most dangerous drug literally. You have ZERO control. None. You could take it and end up on San Francisco with Chinese man up your ass, and you wouldn't know how you got there. Are you going to wipe yourself with poison ivy? It's natural, therefore it must be good.

this one is a shame. i told about that several times, it's impossible to miss.

i wrote this quote for nullific in the post #30 of this thread. and "sadly" i don't have to add a simple word now. the exact same sentence will do the job. :


- i don't say naturals are safer, i say weed is safe!! it's so simple, that i wrote it this way. why not reading first.


Am I denying that hard drugs can cause damage to ones self? Absolutely not. Unlike you, I experienced it first hand. If anyone should be talking shit about synthetic hard drugs, it's me, all the other "synthetic crackheads," not you. It's obvious you don't know jack shit about them and you don't look knowledgeable in the process.

WTF makes you think i never tried them???? i didn't say that, and you don't know me.

i'm sick of you guys. you just write so much bullshit so easily. and then you just don't answer the simple questions.

so the bullshit you wrote stays there forever, and you don't even feel guilty of blaming someone without the element.

i'm afraid of your kind. you don't judge before you react. you don't even read or listen before the answer. your instincts say "you're right, you deserve it, not anyoneelse." and you just follow them.

sorry man but you're not a danger to the mission, you're a danger to the earth...

[anycraic]

hey man that needle u gave me broke off and is now stuck in my eyeball, i want a refund

[Nullific]

You have mentioned several times that the individual is the one to control addiction, only you and your actions attritubute to your addiction, but the question is, how EASY is it to control addiction. You make it sound like it is a piece of cake. I hate to admit it, but there was a time when I thought I could get addicted to particular drug. I am an intelligent woman with a good bringing, always got drug grades, always had a good job. I never felt that something could control ME. Well, it didn't, but it could've. Do you think people who once had nice and normal lives actually WANT to be wasted junkie? No, they're in that predicament becuase the drug ended up controlling them. My point basically is that yes I agree we make the consciensce effort to go out and get the drug, but no we are not always able to control ourselves. It's simply not as easy as you make it to be.Good point, I don't doubt a drug addiction isn't easy to control and is probably best characterized as a disease. Some people probably just think it wont happen to them, these are the ones I worry about. The important thing is to recognize that you very well can become addicted to a drug. You're self-aware, that was your brain telling you to set the limits on yourself. In a perfect world everybodies brain would be just like yours is, but this is not a perfect world and some people like our buddy ilyas here just don't know the meaning of self-awareness.

Round Seven
*ding ding*

'm not calling people idiot, for not agreeing with me. i'm calling people who think weed is more or less the same as the others. (both natural or synthetics). So that makes sense for the mission. We'd never be able to legalize weed, if we say "weed is not different from LSD". And yes!! for me the one who says that, deserves to be called as an idiot. I agree, anybody who says "weed is not different from LSD" is an idiot.


this one is a shame. i told about that several times, it's impossible to miss.

i wrote this quote for nullific in the post #30 (http://boards.cannabis.com/showpost.php?p=408010&postcount=30) of this thread. and "sadly" i don't have to add a simple word now. the exact same sentence will do the job.
I believe he is refering to:

i don't say naturals are safer, i say weed is safe!! it's so simple, that i wrote it this way The disagreement was never really about safety of cannabis, I believe other drugs can be used just as safetly. I even believe cannabis has its own array of negative consequences. Maybe you forgot the topic of your own thread, "What do you think, the forum should do to chemical drugs related topics?". My response, for the sixth or seventh time, was that you should leave them the fuck alone and not anger me with your anti-'chemical' drug rhetoric.


i'm sick of you guys. you just write so much bullshit so easily. and then you just don't answer the simple questions.

so the bullshit you wrote stays there forever, and you don't even feel guilty of blaming someone without the element.

i'm afraid of your kind. you don't judge before you react. you don't even read or listen before the answer. your instincts say "you're right, you deserve it, not anyoneelse." and you just follow them.

sorry man but you're not a danger to the mission, you're a danger to the earth... Is the problem really with us, or your rationalizations? I may be an asshole but the only shit here is comming from you. You posted blatant misinformation about Dronabinol, seem entirely unaware of the consequences of the prohibition of all drugs and...shit man just look at some of your responses to my comments.


they have THC in controlled dosages. but you have to face the side-effects. and you'll be addicted too. this seems to me like a great difference between THC and mj.
i don't believe any bullshit about anything, but i'm sure i don't believe your bullshit.
your motto is nothing, not more than an idea of an asshole. these are what i think. and i'm saying it. and you're saying i'm saying it too.

what should i do now? cry?? because your fucking brain could still made your hands move. come on.. you have to be more than 15.
Now the funny part. you are a kid without knowledge and you don't want to learn neither. opium is created for you. so you can just fuck off and sleep without saying anything.
go finish yourself, jerk off!!!!
no you're not a crackhead because you don't have enough money. you're just trying to be a crackhead. and this is worse then being a crackhead. I could go on.

In closing I say, if you don't like posts about other drugs don't read them or reply unless you have some real input. It really eats holes in my brain when someone makes a post about lets say cocaine and several kids find the need to post something like "I just stick with the herb yo" or "nahh man dont touch that shit". There is no need for that, there is no need to censor posts about other drugs. You say it is bad for your 'mission'? You think regular people just come to this site to form their opinion about marijuana legalization?
Take a look at the Sexuality forum, if seeing posts about other drugs makes people think all stoners are drug addicts they'll be in for a real shocker when they get to the thread about sucking your own dick.

[dirtyhippy420]

Maybe they should be posting on the other psychotropics board.

[Nullific]

For the most part they are, seeing as how the forum is specifically dedicated to "discussion of other psychotropic substances, such as LSD, DXM, DMT, Mushrooms, Ecstasy, etc."
But appearently users may also post their other drug experiences in the 'Experiences' forum.
Ron words the description this way "Share your psychedelic experiences and trips with cannabis and/or other substances; tripping stories."

If a mod comes across a thread that is obviously in the wrong forum I am sure they'll be kind enough to move it. If you see a thread that you think doesn't belong then why not contact a mod about it yourself if it is that important to you?

[OzzyOz]

no offense
but some of these drug topics make us "herbivores" look really bad :-(

it's like, "Umm... how do i make a crack pipe?"

and stuff like that...

[Nullific]

Well now everybody should be educated as to how to make a good crack pipe, for harm reductions sake. We can't have people using the wrong materials and spreading hepatitis C, or worse yet using poorly constructed devices that will burn and waste cocaine.

[thcbongman]

WTF makes you think i never tried them???? i didn't say that, and you don't know me.

i'm sick of you guys. you just write so much bullshit so easily. and then you just don't answer the simple questions.

so the bullshit you wrote stays there forever, and you don't even feel guilty of blaming someone without the element.

i'm afraid of your kind. you don't judge before you react. you don't even read or listen before the answer. your instincts say "you're right, you deserve it, not anyoneelse." and you just follow them.

sorry man but you're not a danger to the mission, you're a danger to the earth...

Considering you have coherency of a tweaker, I don't know anymore LOL.

[OzzyOz]

Well now everybody should be educated as to how to make a good crack pipe, for harm reductions sake. We can't have people using the wrong materials and spreading hepatitis C, or worse yet using poorly constructed devices that will burn and waste cocaine.

lol
haha

:dance:

:(

[ilyas]

I didn't care about this poll topic (because of the crackheads and their wannabees) for a long time, till i saw this thread about (criminalization of the unnaturals in cannabis.com:)) a thread for crack:

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=42381

There were lots of reactions to Lulu, because of the deletion of a very popular crack thread. But I didn't catch an answer to these :D.

Maybe I did the wrong thing here, I shouldn't talk with the "crackers".

It's a very revealing feeling, that at least one of the moderators think in the way I do. And cares about the cannabis culture & legalization cause more than the majority.

By the way; that 8 out of 34 votes, is more than inspiring...