PS3-360-Revolution?

[STDzRus]

Just wondering what your choice of the new wave gaming system will be when it comes out? OR will you remain "old school" and stick with your gaming system present.

My choice.. Personally, is the xbox360.

Xbox360 will be able to connect to your computer to access your music library, your video library, can act as a dvd player / surround sound system central. The controller setup isn't changing, which is good because the XBOX controller is VERY VERY comfortable for somebody with big hands. It will also have wireless controllers.

And since Final Fantasy 11 will now be released on XBOX as well as Playstation along with many other SONY ONLY TITLES, there is really NO NEED for sony anymore.

One downgrade is the limited backwards compatibility. It wont' play ALL the xbox games but it will play the most popular titles. Which doesn't bother me because I usually only play most of the popular titles if not I can just refer to my XBOX currently.

And how can you beat Halo 3 when it's released. That game is going to own.

PS3 HAs a boomerang controller and runs with bluetooth not 802.11g

The Nintendo Revolution, well, it's a revolution with a two handed controller that you point at the screen. I think Nintendo will fall just like Sega did.

Anyways. What are your guys Choice?

Oh yeah..my favorite game for the Microsoft gaming system is Midnight Club Dub Edition / Need For Speed Underground / and Tom Clancys Rainbow Six

[ADaisyChain]

I'm definately getting a 360. And I might get a revolution depending on how I like the controller. -laughs- The controller is the big thing with the revolution.

[clock]

I don't care much for microsoft so I'd choose ps3 itâ??s supposed to be overall better but it dosn't really matter because I probably won't get any of them

[STDzRus]

I don't care much for microsoft so I'd choose ps3 itâ??s supposed to be overall better but it dosn't really matter because I probably won't get any of them

Who told you that lie?

[ShamanicHippy]

360..... yeah microsoft is not my favorite company but they make good systems. Even though the ps2 was more popular it was definitly the poorer system. it had more games but it wasnt made to get on the internet. playing DVDs on it would wear it out faster (this is true, the ps2 was designed for the motor to run only some of the time while playing games and running it all the time with a dvd would wear it out faster) Xbox has higher graphics capabilities (yes its true it has a better chip and could play higher resolution games) The Xboxes firmware was undoubtedly WAY more advanced than the ps2. if a company, with no previous game console involvement and very little experience in building any type of hardware, could build a better console than the leading manufacturer on their first try. think what they could do on their second.

[F L E S H]

It's a toss-up between PS3 and X360, but I think I prefer the ol' Playstation. Metal Gear Solid, Grand Theft Auto (not 1 year later...). However, X360 will correct one of the only things I didn't like about the old X-Box, that is the white and black buttons on the controller. A lot of sports games require you to press the white or black buttons while pressing something else, which is physically impossible unless we had 2 thumbs on each hand... :confused:

And a tip of the hat to Nintendo. While they certainly aren't as big as they used to be, at least they're taking the opportunity to try something different. It remains to be seen whether it'll work. I gotta admit, playing Metroid while pointing the controller at the screen and shoting things sounds like fun!

[ShamanicHippy]

yeah duck hunt was basically awesome

[senoirsalsa]

xbox360......only thing that doesnt repulse me on PS3 is GTA.....which im repulsed from playings becasue of there un-godly controller, i wait until a PC version

ps3<360 in all ways....unless 7controllers on one tv and a built in ethernet hub makes a console better to you


but i will be buying revolution....cmon its gonna be able to play games back from the days of NES all the way to gamecube+ revolution games

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

PS3...simple...because i want to experience the Cell chip technology. An extremely powerful processer...extremely powerful graphics generator. Oh, By The Way, the games for the XBOX 360 and the PS3 aren't going to make huge leaps in graphics or processing power until a little bit after they've been out. Most componies don't have the dough to harness all of that power. Oh, one last thing. The XBOX only kicked the PS3's ass because the XBOX was developed and released 6 months after Sony. That's why it kicked ass, it had nothing to do with the money or the reaserchers Microsoft has.

[japan4]

i cant believe none of you guys said the revolution

you guys suck.

[Monkey4Sale]

I bought the 360, now it just has to come out so I can play with it. I'll buy the PS3 and revolution too, but they aren't comming for some time.

[Jim Morrison]

all of them
but mostly the xbox 360

[Fan o KmK]

^^ what?!?!! the 360 is out?!?!?! ur fucking joking me?? but yea the 360 all the way.

[Gecko]

Nintendo won't fall. They still make kickass games like Resident Evil, Mario, Zelda, Metroid Prime, and other games.

I will definately be buying the Revolution when it comes out. It looks very very stylish and it will be interesting to see how they can work the GAMEPLAY around the game. Which is why alot of people won't.

Alot of people don't care bout gameplay or story anymore, they just care about graphics. Which sickens me.

But I will end up getting the PS3 too. Don't know about the 360. Maybe, if I ever have $300+ dollars laying around.

[senoirsalsa]

^^ what?!?!! the 360 is out?!?!?! ur fucking joking me?? but yea the 360 all the way.
yeah man...well not exactly.....kiosks all over the US are going up in WALMARTS

cell technology.....sorry to tell you......is based on advancements done back in the 1980's......being that its a vector processor makes it specifically a bad choice for what console cpus process.....furthermore most analists agree that the xenos gpu is superior to the rsx gpu in all ways that matter in terms of games, your looking at 48unified shader pipelines on the xbox360 cs a max of 24 deticated piplines on the ps3. the advantage of unified piplines is that if the devolper wants 20 vertex shadeing pipes and 28 pixel shadeing piplines then they can do that, where as the ps3 your locked down to to say 12 of vertex shaders and 12 vertex(based on speculation) beyond that that GPU on 360 has EDRAM on die....this allows anti aliasing, or any Z-buffer process to be near preformence hit free (ever play a game and notice the edges to be jagged on objects? AA smooths those out) then since Microsoft designs the direct x api,ati had acess to the Pixel shader 4.0 support this is vs RSX supporting pixel shader 3.0(4.0 has no limit, infinite shader instructions are possible) then ending up on memory, the 360 has shared 512mb 700mhz ram, this means that both the GPU and CPU can make direct changes to data in ram without causeing northbridge usage and improving preformence where as PS3 cant do this(256mb deticated to gpu,another 256 to the cell)

ending this....in simple capabilities on the systems Xbox360>ps3

[Fan o KmK]

^ yea more or less, i didnt really understand most of that, i think you might have had a few typos while describing processing power of the 360, and i had never heard of edram before. so wait....wtf...is the 360 out or what?

[lateralus]

I went from a Nintendo fan to a Sony fan to a... well I was going to say Microsoft fan, but no. An XBOX fan. Microsoft uses their enormous cash and name to sell their dumbed-down shitty software, but in the case of console vs. console, XBOX all the way.

[senoirsalsa]

^ yea more or less, i didnt really understand most of that, i think you might have had a few typos while describing processing power of the 360, and i had never heard of edram before. so wait....wtf...is the 360 out or what?
you can play it in walmart near you soon....theres demos for call of duty 2,kameo,and king kong

360 launches november 22

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000753064065/

[Edgar]

PS3 or nothing

[dirtyhippy420]

... Don't know about the 360. Maybe, if I ever have $300+ dollars laying around.

Do you think the PS3 is going to be any cheaper? In all probability it will be more expensive considering that since it went with blue ray for it's ROM, current cost of the ROM itself being around $1,000. Since there's still no official launch date (it won't be any sooner than next thanksgiving), we still have some time to save up. I also think it's hilarious that the FF7 trailer that was supposed to be running on the power of the PS3, was actually a DVD, Any gamer knows anyway that it's all about the in-game anyway. All Sony has done so far is shown us CG movies and made lofty promises on a system that will probably cost anywhere from $500-700 out of the gate. This year XBOX360, next year I'll probably go with the more innovative and definitely cheaper Revolution.

[Reefer Rogue]

Ps3 baby. I'm hoping to get all 3 consoles one day though, coz' i'm a big gamer. (not literaly big)

[clock]

"Who told you that lie?" G4 Techtv I watched the E3 thing and from what I can remember they said the ps3 was better but I may be wrong

[ShamanicHippy]

^I beleive you are indeed wrong. I watched the coverage of E3 and they said that xbox 360 will be a more powerful gaming device than the PS3 (assuming, of course, that sony doesnt change the PS3 before it is released)

[Reefer Rogue]

Nah, i've definately read that the ps3 has the better specs.

[STDzRus]

xbox360......only thing that doesnt repulse me on PS3 is GTA.....which im repulsed from playings becasue of there un-godly controller, i wait until a PC version

ps3<360 in all ways....unless 7controllers on one tv and a built in ethernet hub makes a console better to you


but i will be buying revolution....cmon its gonna be able to play games back from the days of NES all the way to gamecube+ revolution games

Are you aware that on the current XBOX you can play ALL the old NES, ATARI, and some SNES games on the XBOX?

Theres a program somewhere that you download on your computer that runs onto your XBOX.

Also, if you ever want to play HALO 1 or any other game online or through TRICK LAN, just go to www.xbconnect.com and have fun.

[STDzRus]

SPECS! http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x?tag=boxcar_all_features_image

[senoirsalsa]

SPECS! http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x?tag=boxcar_all_features_image
such a biased site

[senoirsalsa]

"Who told you that lie?" G4 Techtv I watched the E3 thing and from what I can remember they said the ps3 was better but I may be wrong
G4tv is one of THE MOST biased people, all they do is suck sonys cock

Are you aware that on the current XBOX you can play ALL the old NES, ATARI, and some SNES games on the XBOX?

Theres a program somewhere that you download on your computer that runs onto your XBOX.

Also, if you ever want to play HALO 1 or any other game online or through TRICK LAN, just go to www.xbconnect.com and have fun.

yes i know, but its officially supported by nintendo,and the remote that some of you may have seen can slide into cradles for differnt controllers, like theres a cradle for gamecube,N64,SNES,NES ect

[Reefer Rogue]

Reading that link i think the ps3 has better specs.

[senoirsalsa]

Reading that link i think the ps3 has better specs.
this? http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x?tag=boxcar_all_features_image

honestly.....if your looking at the 50 extra megahertz in the gpu department.....

but lets give non biased opinion
Well, it's true that Cell can perform more floating point ops, but it's not likely to be heavily utilized when you realize that it's only the SPE's in Cell that are good at FP. The main core is just a PowerPC core, the same as the Xbox 360's 3 cores. For ease of coding, the award goes to 360, though, because while all 3 of 360's cores speak the same language, Cell's main core and SPE's use very different instruction sets. Neither CPU is capable of dynamically assigning tasks to free threads, however, so the extent to which Cell's SPE's in particular get used will depend entirely on the programmer assigning tasks manually to each SPE. Even at that, those tasks are very limited because the SPE's don't have the full range of instructions that the main core does. Until the middleware becomes thoroughly developed, don't expect many games to make use of the SPE's at all. When both systems are fully leveraged PS3 will spank 360 in floating point, but 360 will spank PS3 in integer, which means that you can pretty much *always* expect superior AI on 360 games and probably better physics on PS3. Depending on the skill of coders, these differences will probably end up being minimal at best, and undiscernable to the common user.

I do have to agree that in the end, the two systems won't look much different. The graphical capabilities are pretty much identical, though the 360 will be easier on programmers thanks to DirectX and XNA, neither of which will be available on PS3, forcing programmers to learn not just one, not two, but *three* new ways of coding for PS3 (Cell main core, Cell SPE, RSX GPU, all three of which support different instruction sets).

All in all, both Cell and Xenon are disappointments, reverting to the in-order execution methods of a decade ago, losing capabilities like branch prediction, etc. Both systems would have been far better off with an Intel or AMD based multicore CPU.

another older non-biased quote

The first thing you do to play a game is insert that disk into the drive, thus this is where we will start.

At first glance bluray appears to have an obvious advantage, higher native transfer rate, larger capacity, etc, however upon closer inspection...

blu ray has a native transfer speed of 54Mbps (6.75MB) while DVD has a native speed of 11.1Mb (1.3875MB) thus it appears at first glace that the bluray drive in the Ps3 will have a transfer rate of almost 5x that of the x360, but wait, thats not true. the x360 drive runs at 12x effectively bumping that to 133.2Mb or 16.65MB nearly 3x faster than that of first gen bluray at 6.75MB. At this time i have gotten no reports of 2x bluray drives being both available and affordable, even if they are available by the ps3 release (unlikely as 1x is still questionable at this stage) its transfer rate is still underneath that of the 360. Now the question is why is transfer rate important? Two answers, a higher transfer rate will allow media, music, data to directly stream off the disc, freeing more ram to be allocated in other areas, this is particularly a bottleneck to the ps3 as, while the GPU can access both 256 segments the CPU is limited to only 256, thus the less in ram the better unfortunately bluray media itself will not allow this to occur, so whats the next solution?

Hard drive. The Ps3 will ship with a hard drive more out of neccessity then just being nice to the consumer. As has been shown, blurays transfer rate would prove too much of a bottleneck to attempt to continually streamm off disk or load into ram, thus cache to the hard drive is a neccesity. The 360 by contrast has a shared ram system where the full 512 can be allocated to the system anywhere, though admittedly slightly slower than that of the ps3, a higher bandwidth is NOT neccessary as we will explain why later.

so now we have the data loaded into the ram, lets talk a little bit about the data itself and how it will be processed. In the 360 data can be standard type data where full character models, textures sounds etc. are present, or it can be procedural synthesis instruction sets as we will explain later these have the potential to greatly reduce the amount of data both on disk and passing through ram, enabling higher definition graphics, more immersive worlds and better draw distances as a direct result of the amount of data passing through ram. to put it simply more game information is passing through because it is in a condensed state. The ps3 by contrast is limited to taking tradition fully coded data and following simply instruction sets to be executed by the processor and gpu, again while they are faster they are used less effieciently. The downside to this is multiplatform games may appear marginaly better if they are not properly optimized to take advantage of some of the 360's unique abilities.

when data is set to the 360 core to be processed it is met in the main core and can be allocated to either of the 3 cores, their VMX units, or the Gpu, we will first discuss what data is set to the general cores. gameplay data, and data which is used to detail players interactions with the world and other players online are sent the the general processors this allows a wide range of data types to be readily processed an outputed which results n what you see, (and dont see) on screen. more general processing can (if used properly) directly equate to more immersive worlds and bigger online experiences. remember physics calcs must be incorporatred but into gameplay this is done but collision calcs and other methods, general processors are are key to procedural synthesis, which is a none parallel function and benefit from being able to be accomplished quick and effienctly. next we have the VMX units, the vmx units are 128-bit registers essentially the same as the cores in the Ps3 with the difference being the Ps3 has 6 of these useable cores while the 360 has 3, (hence the 2x powerful as 360 number sony claims as they use their strongest numbers and compare them directly to the 360s weakest, by contrast MS can easily say we are 3x more powerful then sony and they wouldnt not be lying either) anyway these accelerate parallel data function, like certain physics calcs, graphics accelerations etc. the truth being since the VMX units are more specialized then the cell cores they technically perform slightly better then a comparable cell unit, however there are still only three vs sony's 6. but this is why a Physics processing unit is unneccesary in either of these next gen consoles as they both have enough floating point performance to run with a PC even with a dedicated PPU for possibly the majority of the life of the console. At first glance Sony's system would appear to be the no brainer for physics performance and technically it is, however remember we must incorporate the physics calcs back into gameplay through things like collsion calcs. for which branch prediction and general processing greatly helps, and 2 things which the Ps3 sorely lacks. this does not mean it cannot be emulated through other methods, however it will be much more generic and scripted. Many will ask well isnt the cell powerful? the question is WHERE does it get its power, the cell gets is power from its SPEs which are vector based floating point number crunchers, which will insanely fast are not meant to do general processing work as they can take an 80% hit in performance, the cell does have a single PPE which is its one general processing unit, the problem is its, primary function is to controll the other satelite cores, so for it to do this task as well as advanced AI, collision, gameplay code, and a host of other tasks is much too taxing on the the single core.

Now on to the gpu, I have to say i am insanely impressed with the 360 gpu, and the way its intergreated into the system, im not going to talk about the specs as it will only bring confusion, instead i will explain what it is and what it does. the R500 in the 360 is a radical new architechture which promotes intelligence over sheer power (which seems to be the entire concept behind the 360) to save some time read this http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzcxLDM= anyway there are a number of excited developments including 1080P and 4xAA with ZERO impact on the GPU!!!! thats mind boggling, i cant even begin to explain the possibilities, the one thing that does trouble me is how sony can make the claims it does, when their system doesnt even have enough total bandwidth (or rather bearly have enough total bandwidth for HD gaming. (HD resolution gaming will require 50+GB on the GPU hence why the total system bandwidth is relevent interms of HD gaming, If the Ps3 does 1080P i dont see anyway it can possibly do AA at all, and they definitly cant obtain an on chip ram as its been patented. anyway the RSX from nvidia is much more traditionally, yes it is a shader and pixel monster, however it renders no geometry all polygons are rendered using cell, further increasing the burden cell must shoulder. I my opinion was a poor choice, but likely their only choice unless they wanted to charge $700 a console.

so im going to review and give a breif overview as well as provide new info, procedural synthesis, a process which generates game content on the fly can be used to both significantly increase a games realism, while simultaneously streamlining the source data to the point where it not only fits easily on a single disk, but to the point where a game can literally go on forever, and create itself as the player plays it. the 360 seems to consentrate on streamlining and does an excellent job of it, the ps3 by contrast seems to be riddled with bottlenecks but worst of all it seems that games on that system will be nothing more than significantly ungraded ps2 games interms of gameplay. yes they will both produce excellent graphics, (though the 360 may likely actually produce cleaner crisper graphics) however the cell will utilize much of its power jusy making games look good, while the 360 will only have just began to sratch the surface. the 360 is a still water that runs very deep.

[Reefer Rogue]

this? http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x?tag=boxcar_all_features_image

honestly.....if your looking at the 50 extra megahertz in the gpu department.....

What else would i be looking at. :rolleyes:

[senoirsalsa]

wanna know what john carmack thinks?(hes arguably one of the best game programmers of all time and responsible for DOOM3) http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/carmackverdictonx360ps3power.shtml

[dirtyhippy420]

wanna know what john carmack thinks?(hes arguably one of the best game programmers of all time and responsible for DOOM3) http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/carmackverdictonx360ps3power.shtml

If he's such an awesome programmer, then why couldn't have made it so you could have your flashlight and a weapon out at the same time? Come on that's a bush-league mistake. Still he has a point, The X360 will be a developers dream. Think about it, Microsoft has been working with developer long before the PSX was a cum stain in Sony's collective pants. The nex-gen are basically media computers, and I think we all know who has more experience in that realm.

[senoirsalsa]

If he's such an awesome programmer, then why couldn't have made it so you could have your flashlight and a weapon out at the same time? Come on that's a bush-league mistake. Still he has a point, The X360 will be a developers dream. Think about it, Microsoft has been working with developer long before the PSX was a cum stain in Sony's collective pants. The nex-gen are basically media computers, and I think we all know who has more experience in that realm.
the no flashlight was part of the games atmosphere.....but an easy mod fixed it anyway, i was refering the the beautiful graphics of the doom engine,of course its a year old but still outdoes the true DX9 wannabe source engine that uses photorealistic textures as "great visuals", both however overshadowed by the new unreal 3 engine

[jfoster]

im keeping my xbox becuz mine is modded and can do most of the stuff the 360 can. hook up to my comp, play any game form any system(except ps2 and gamecube), and i put in a big hard drive so i can copy movies to it

[dirtyhippy420]

I almost positive I can't get said mod for my XBOX version.

[partyguy420]

360>ps3<revalution. just becuz they have several different games that i like.

[Satan666]

As far as Specs are concerned: PS3
My choice: PS3

[STDzRus]

PS3 Doesn't Have Any Games That I would Enjoy EXCEPT Final Fantasy 11, which is now Multi Platform

Nintendo has ZELDA - Metroid Prime and MP Echoes - TCR 6
XBOX has - TCR 6 online - Halo ON XBCONNECT - Halo 2 Online - Gauntlet Legends - Star Wars Games WHICH KICK THE MOST ASS.

And XBOX 360 will be able to play MORROWIND 4, now that awesome, and intense.

[Satan666]

Who told you that lie?

Its no lie just look at the hardware specs. its painfully obvious the ps3 will own the 360

[Satan666]

as of launch the 360 has better title but thats cause it s getting released sooner.just wait for the ps3. youll regret gettin the 360

[STDzRus]

Its no lie just look at the hardware specs. its painfully obvious the ps3 will own the 360


HAHA Not PAINFULLY obvious, not even obvious. The XBOX will be far greater hear hear..now thee lets have some tea and eat some scones. Smoke some pot and play some Old School ATARI PONG

[Green Screen]

PS3!!!
Im not a big fan of X-Box... Microsoft has no creativity.
HEY LETS... UM... TAKE AN ORDINARY COMPUTER, BUT A DAMN BIG GREEN X ON IT AND CALL IT A GAME CONSOLE!!!
HAHA WOW MR. GATES YOUR A GENIUS!!!
AND FOR THE SEQUEL LETS... TURN IT WHITE!!!
GENIUS!

[STDzRus]

SONY -

LETS TAKE SUPER NINTENDO! MAKE IT A DISC SYSTEM, AND ADD TWO EXTRA BUTTONS ON TOP!

[lateralus]

Haha.. I remember some of the earliest Playstation games looking exactly like Super Nintendo.

[STDzRus]

Well the whole deal with Project Playstation was that Nintendo was trying to compete with Sega CD by making a CD version of the Super Nintendo. Sony went in on the deal but Nintendo backed out late in the game so Sony went on their own and created Project Playstation.

All the sound in the SNES games are made by Sony.

[Green Screen]

SONY -

LETS TAKE SUPER NINTENDO! MAKE IT A DISC SYSTEM, AND ADD TWO EXTRA BUTTONS ON TOP!

Yeah but Microsoft already makes computers, Sony doesent make Super Nintendos

[senoirsalsa]

Its no lie just look at the hardware specs. its painfully obvious the ps3 will own the 360
its painfully obvious you know nothing about hardware

[ChronicSmoker420]

God I hate Xbox and Xbox "360" wtf stop making references to extreme sports its a video game people and a box, there is nothing "X-TREAM" about it. Seriously stop with the bullshit X-TREAM marketing. Yes it sounds like I copied Maddox. However its my opinion too, before I ever saw anything Maddox related.


PS: Xbox has no good games ether well maybe halo and few others i can't think of, but nothing that would be worth buying it over ps2 or ps3.

[dirtyhippy420]

as of launch the 360 has better title but thats cause it s getting released sooner.just wait for the ps3. youll regret gettin the 360

Iplan on getting both, as long as the PS3 is $400 or under, I mean it's not like PS3 is coming out any time soon. Oh and if you think Microsoft has no creativity, let's ponder this: What did Sony call it's follow up to the Playsation? Playstation 2. And the follow up to that? Ummm, Playstation 3. I bet they had an all night planning sessions for that one. And the game titles? Show me a Playstation exclusive and I will show you a game that blows.

[dirtyhippy420]

And XBOX 360 will be able to play MORROWIND 4, now that awesome, and intense.

This is the only reason I'm buying X360 at launch, for my computer could barely run Morrowind, I will miss the mods though. All I need is the system, Oblivion and a Gamefly subscription and I'm set!

[STDzRus]

God I hate Xbox and Xbox "360" wtf stop making references to extreme sports its a video game people and a box, there is nothing "X-TREAM" about it. Seriously stop with the bullshit X-TREAM marketing. Yes it sounds like I copied Maddox. However its my opinion too, before I ever saw anything Maddox related.


PS: Xbox has no good games ether well maybe halo and few others i can't think of, but nothing that would be worth buying it over ps2 or ps3.


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK

The 360 reference has NOTHING to do with extreme sports.

Ever heard of a thing called geometry?

[senoirsalsa]

funny i cant think of a good playstation exclusive besides GoW

and its not morrownind 4

elder scrolls 3=morrowind+ expansions tribunal and bloodmoon
elder scrolls 4=oblivion

[STDzRus]

http://www.elderscrolls.com/games/oblivion_overview.htm

WICKED

[dirtyhippy420]

funny i cant think of a good playstation exclusive besides GoW

and its not morrownind 4

elder scrolls 3=morrowind+ expansions tribunal and bloodmoon
elder scrolls 4=oblivion

Nothing to see here, move along.

[senoirsalsa]

well if u like blind lies other then real world facts

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

have fun

[STDzRus]

THE GREEN THE GREEN!

The smurfs are here!

THE BLUE THE BLUE

Marijuana is clear.

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