BRUTAL CLAY!!!

[bluntman3000]

im preparing my grow site this fall, before the next growng season, so im digging holes where im going to plant my seeds......and i reach clay and i cant penetrate it ....doesnt matter how far i dig down.....so waht can i do about the clay?.......or does it matter if clay is there or not?......also how far do the roots of the plants have to go down?

[bluntman3000]

anyone wanna answer? also when growing outdoors i dont have to fig a hole and mix the groubd soil with organic soil do i?

[Garden Knowm]

I planted 3 trees last year in clay... They were avocado trees... they hate clay!! SO I dug these hole that were 4 feet deep and 3 feet wide... It was a mother fu-ker digging this holes... but I got this stuff at the nursery that conditions clay ... helps break it down.. I mixed that stuff with soil and perlite... The trees are doing AWESOME....

although it has only been a year.. they have doubled in size.. all the books I have read say they shuold have died..

anyway, I would did deep.. Take some CREATINE and drink a bunch of coffee, take your shirt off and DIG like a mad man.... crank up the ACDC, BACH and west side connection... you'll have your hole in a day!!!

: )

[turtle420]

I planted 3 trees last year in clay... They were avocado trees...
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Take some CREATINE and drink a bunch of coffee, take your shirt off and DIG like a mad man.... crank up the ACDC, BACH and west side connection... you'll have your hole in a day!!!

So now we know how you got those abs in your avatar... :D

[Garden Knowm]

Ya know.. I was always a firm believer that MJ roots needed to go deep.. along with tomatoe plants...: )

But have you seen TRANOBLES grow? I know it is not outside and his plants are small.. but I think he said he only give them 6 inches of depth... 6 inches.... that is insane... and then again, so are his plants!!!

If it were me I would dig deep... especially if you are going to use this spot for years to come...

[bluntman3000]

who deep aproxmently would u dig.....like how many feet??....also when the hole is done should i just fill it up with the soild i dug out...not the clay.....and mix it with some organic soil?

[Garden Knowm]

like i said, if you can go 3-4 feet , I think you should.. there is this stuff they sell at nurseries in huge BAGS... it is "soil conditioner" and it will even say on the bag that it is for mixing with clay...

BUT!!!! you don't want to mix this stuff with clay..... you dig a hole and the clay you dig out, you LEAVE OUT!! : )

You fill the hole with soil, chicken shit, and this conditioner, and if you are goiing to be around to water.. I would use a lot of perlite as well..



"also when the hole is done should i just fill it up with the soild i dug out"

you won't be digging soil out... correct? you will be digging clay... correct?

I a got a bit confused... anyway CLAY is bad! : )

[HUGEBUDS]

clay is bad
im digging some holes 2 but ina a few weeks late november im going to cover the holes with plywood to get the good soil there and not washed away by rain and leaves and chit like that

[HUGEBUDS]

acdc is gonna be pumping shirt will be off got abot 10 holes to dig

[bluntman3000]

ok well i meant i dig about a foot and that is all soil....but after that foot is dug the rest is clay.........also when i dig a hole if i dig a hole 1 metre wide and 1 metre long how many seeds could i plant in that space....like that will grow to be big plants?

[bluntman3000]

anyone wanna answer?

[Garden Knowm]

3 feet wide... 3 feet deep. equals 1 plant!

sorry... I wish I could say 3 plants.... but ideally you would dig one of these holes for every plant. especially if you are going to use this spot in years to come...

start digging...

you could get away with 2 feet wide and 2 feet deep... but 3x3x3 and you are guarenteed LOVE...

[del...]

if you have a water faucet close you can "cut" through the soil with water pressure. get one of those adjustable sprayers (i use the 'pistol grip' style) and turn the water up all the way. aim the sprayer at your outline and start cutting. makes big holes in no time with little effort...but it can be a tad messy. we have very hard packed sandy soil with some clay here too so i use this method for any holes needed as the shovel alone just can't do the job efficiently enough...and working the pick is just too much for a little feller like me...

[bluntman3000]

ok how much plants should i grow.....i am guerilla growing and its not a huge area, its decent.....like how much plants should i grow that would provide me with a good harvest?

[HUGEBUDS]

i would do about 10

[bluntman3000]

well how much plants that are weel taken care off and give off a decent amount of bud but not like huge yields.....would like 3 plants get me 2 pounds?

[Garden Knowm]

i would say yes.. SHould be even more if you dig deep holes.. LOL
an out door plant of the right strain, grown well should get you at least that...

you have heard the tales and seen the photos of the 10lb plants right?

some of todays growers are getting 1lb per plant inside... AMAZING!!

[HUGEBUDS]

here a pic of my plants in the yard growing in the ground 3 plants side by side too close but i didnt have alot of space to grow

[Garden Knowm]

WTFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME
in pic 3, are you on a ladder?
HUGEBUDS is HUGE!!!!

[bluntman3000]

sweet yea cause i jsut want personal i dont want to get into selling..and 3 plants sounds like more than enough if they produce good buds

[HUGEBUDS]

no garden no ladder. on the ground

[bluntman3000]

yea ill probely grow 10 plants 4 in ground....6 in pots since theres not enough room for them to be all in the ground...the pots will most likely be 5-10 gallon-sized pots...gotta grow 10 becasue there will most likely be males.....also is there a spray that can prevent males? and if there is where could i buy it?

[HUGEBUDS]

never herd of spray but u could use 1 female and make clones before the spring indoors to get them ready for the outdoors u should use somthing that is long not wide si the roots grow deep like 2 liter bottle put a fan on them plant then right after the last frost of spring and with the holes just dig some u dont need to dig 3 feet the roots will grow crazy at the end of there year u wont even be able to pull the plant out of the ground the plants that i posted the pics of i didnt even dig hole i just started them inside and then brought them outside when they were ready

[bluntman3000]

yea true but i have clay

[bluntman3000]

by i have clay i mean there is clay under the soil in my area..so like im digging 1 and half foot holes i think that would be good enough...also if growing in 5 gallon sized pots how big will they grow??

[Garden Knowm]

Get 33 gallon garbage containers and let us watch you grow monsters....

Outdoor, i believe that 5 gallon containers will limit your growth.. especially if you plant early in the season.. your plants will run out of room... there is no way a 5 gallon bucket could contain those plants that hugbuds grew.. if someone knows different I would like to see : )

The clone idea is AWESOME.. that explains HUGEBUDS .. huge buds.. you put rooted clones in the ground and they just exploded huh? NICE

[HUGEBUDS]

yeah man the have unlimited soil to grow down into so the plant will just get huge

[bluntman3000]

yes but like i said i have a high amount of clay under my soil...and i dont wanna dig a shit load of holes so i wanna use pots and holes.....but for the pots how big could a plant get in a 5 gallon plant? well how big of a pot would i need for a plant to produce atleast a pound?

[bluntman3000]

anyone??

[bluntman3000]

anyone? also this is outside

[Garden Knowm]

I don't know.

But I do know that the bigger the pot, the better the chance of getting an LB.

And my guess is that 1-2 lbs is about the max a 5 gallon container can give...

You also have to remember that the season can be long outside and 5 gallons may not be enough.. you could get root bound... alos the plant can and will get so big that a 5 gallon pot can and will fall over.

[bluntman3000]

yea true but if that were to happen i would dig holes big enough to fit the plants in by transfering them....or jsut dig a hole big enough to fit the whole pot in so it doesnt tip over....or jsut get bigger pots

[HUGEBUDS]

or u could cut the bottom of the pail so that the roots grow out of the buckets into the ground underneath .. so anyways ur plan is to use 5 gallon pails and ur gonna dig out the ground so the bucket sits in it if so y u nned the pail just plant them into the ground they will grow so big ull shot ur pants scared that some1 gonna see them lol be smart about use commen sense hide ur shit goood star them in plastic beer cups inside and when u want to bring them outside just put the plants into a 24 of beer box so u can walk with it at night and ppl will just think its beers

[bluntman3000]

yea thats pretty sneaky....but like i dont no i dont like digging holes...and there isnt enough room for alot of holes either...and findingp laces to place pots is easier to...but like i probely wont dig holes for pots i might jsut cut out the hole like u said

[bluntman3000]

also my biggest hole that i have dug is about 4 feet in length....pretty wide and pretty deep.....if i planted 5 seeds in this hole would the plants still grow big and produce a large yield? or is it 2 small?

[bluntman3000]

eh?

[bluntman3000]

anyone wanna answer?

[bluntman3000]

cmon?

[bluntman3000]

ANSWER THE QUESTION

[Garden Knowm]

dude,

people grow trees!! and you will too. the diameter of one outdoor plant can easily be 4 feet. what you can do is this.. you canplant all five seeds... then keep only the females.. and then train the females to grow away from each other.. using string, steaks and twist ties...

but ideally, you would get 5 female clones.. and dig 5 (2x3) foots holes.. 2 feet wide, 3 feet deep...

sorry about the delay getting back to you

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[J DOG 6000]

jimsne or something like that could be added to the clay I can't remember how to spell it.

[HUGEBUDS]

Hey Bluntman if you plan on growing MJ you could just buy big plant pots i have 1 it will grow a huge plant ill post a pic of it but if your gonna put 5 seeds in that 4 fott hole you got to dig it another 4 feet longer so that there is aprox 2 feet between each plant so that the plants arent fighting for soil bigger plants will grow tall and the other 3 plants will get blocked from light by the bigger plant and they wont grow so allow alot of space . start the seeds inside your home use 2 liter pop bottles 1 plant a bottle just cut the top off the bottle fill the drit right to the top of the bottle you want the roots to grow deep in the bottle so that when you take it outside it will have the strengh to live.

[bluntman3000]

ok now thats its later i got a more developed plan......im going to plant 6-9 plants in my holes than maybe add ferts as i grow.......im hoping for 1 pound? do u think i could get 1 pound?

[HUGEBUDS]

VERY EASY YOU WILL GET 1 POUND IF YOU GROWING OUTSIDE PLANT A BUNCH WATER FERT THEY WILL GROW AND GROW SO BIG YOULL GET SCARED THAT SOM1 MIGHT SEE THEM LOL

[Madja]

I planted 3 trees last year in clay... They were avocado trees... they hate clay!! SO I dug these hole that were 4 feet deep and 3 feet wide... It was a mother fu-ker digging this holes... but I got this stuff at the nursery that conditions clay ... helps break it down.. I mixed that stuff with soil and perlite... The trees are doing AWESOME....

although it has only been a year.. they have doubled in size.. all the books I have read say they shuold have died..

anyway, I would did deep.. Take some CREATINE and drink a bunch of coffee, take your shirt off and DIG like a mad man.... crank up the ACDC, BACH and west side connection... you'll have your hole in a day!!!

: )
Hi,
Could you let me know wat it was you got at the nursery to condition the
clay, and any info on how to use it. I live in Red clay Hell, so I guess I
will have to do the container or grow bag thing this year. I really appreciate any help you can give me. Thanks a lot. Have a great Day,Madja

[Earthy Dank]

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[karmaxul]

I saw this plant in high times a while back that the grower report getting 8 pounds off of. She was a monster. I grow in 22 gallon containers and get 6 foot plus diameter plants at 6 foot high.

One love
c

[Earthy Dank]

I heard that a good ratio is 1 gallon of soil for each cubic foot of plant...

[karmaxul]

That sounds about right to me.

One love
c

[Earthy Dank]

Hi,
Could you let me know wat it was you got at the nursery to condition the
clay, and any info on how to use it. I live in Red clay Hell, so I guess I
will have to do the container or grow bag thing this year. I really appreciate any help you can give me. Thanks a lot. Have a great Day,Madja


Where are you at? I live in georgia and we are famous for our georgia red clay... If you have clay do what garden said and dig a hole big enough for the roots... fill it with soil and put a cup of some blood meal... or ammonium nitrate at the very bottom. If you try to grow in just clay you plants will do bad. Clay particles are so small they pack together tightly and leave little room for water, air or roots. If you have woods get the dark top layer soil from there... If it has leaves make sure they are shredded they are a good soil conditioner and when they breakdown they are a source of nitrogen.

[Jdog7000]

No digging nessisary...just buy big 10 gallon containers and grow them in those.No need to bury them unless you have hight issues? But if you have high fences don't waist your time or energy.But it's up to you?

[karmaxul]

I still say 22 gallons min as plants get very large and ten gallons of dry soil is not very much to hold the plant on a windy day unless it is secured with stakes.

One love
c

[Madja]

Where are you at? I live in georgia and we are famous for our georgia red clay... If you have clay do what garden said and dig a hole big enough for the roots... fill it with soil and put a cup of some blood meal... or ammonium nitrate at the very bottom. If you try to grow in just clay you plants will do bad. Clay particles are so small they pack together tightly and leave little room for water, air or roots. If you have woods get the dark top layer soil from there... If it has leaves make sure they are shredded they are a good soil conditioner and when they breakdown they are a source of nitrogen.
Thanks for the info, I'm in NC, do you have any input on container planting,
any methods, etc. I really thank you lot. Have a good day.
Take care friend,
Madja

[Hazzy View]

if you are really having height problems lst the bitch. thats what im gonna do with my outdoor plant. youll also get a much larger yield cause all of the inner bud spots will get light making them bigger without taking away from the other buds like it would be if u just grew a tree... my :twocents:

[Earthy Dank]

There are ways to get light to the lower branches without cutting up your plant. Try laying it over. Careful as to not break the stem. Bend the entire plant.All the shoots will grow straight up and it will belike a solar panel on the ground.And if you keep laying it over it will only get about 3 foot tall on what would be a much bigger plant.

[Earthy Dank]

At harvest you will be able to give those inner branches light If you Harvest in thirds. ITs actually better cause you still get the big buds. When you top your plant the colas get small:( . Harvest 1/3 of the plant at a time. After removingeach third give it a few days for the buds under the top 1/3 to ripen then tak another third. there is no reason to cut up you plant and basically stunting its growth to keep it small and bushy