thought philosophy

[Nero]

If you think it does that mean it happend? Does the sheer act of thinking of an event occur in our minds as a thought because it really happend elsewhere in the 4th dimension? If so does the event have to occur if you only think about thinking about, and so on to infinity, the event, but never acually think about it?

Is the universe really just the compilement of thoughts? Does that make it just a dream? Is the universe only here becuase if their was a universe it would eventually create life that could dream(think) it into existance?

If the above is true are our subconsious minds aware of our future, and does it spell out our destiny? Would the subconcious mind leave clues along the way to help the consious mind aware of it? Do our subconcious minds communicate with other subconsious minds?

Does I think therefore I am not make more sense than I think therefore I am?

Did I smoke to much and write some dumb philosophy?

Why, are these thoughts practically erased from my memory unless conciderable concentration is applied?

[beachguy in thongs]

You smoked too much, because if you think it, that doesn't mean it happened. The 4th Dimension is at right angles to length, width, and heighth.

Don't freak me out, because I'm still not sure what world I live in.

[themuffinman6]

They do have that idea that every decision you make in another dimension the opposite decision is made. And maybe our sub concious is aware of what the future will bring, maybe thats how we have de ja vu.

[Polymirize]

thinking is one thing, another dimension if you will. it still takes quite a bit of energy to manifest the object of thought into what we would commonly consider reality...

[mrdevious]

I really think everybody needs to get a better idea of a "dimension", because it's not the hollywoodised version like in that old show "sliders" as most seem to think.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension

[Polymirize]

If you've got a handle on "truth" I'd love to hear it...

[STDzRus]

The truth is what is perceived by you, and the majority.

The truth is not what you perceive because for in order for it be the truth you have to have at least one other person to agree it is the truth.

Sure, in your mind, you may KNOW something. But that means nothing. Nothing means something if you write nothing on paper and try to make it something.

But in the end the nothing that you made something will return to nothingness. The real truth is birth and the passing of your human vessel.

[slipknotpsycho]

i think you smoked too much cuz i'm sober and i didn't even understand that.... :confused:

[Polymirize]

The truth is what is perceived by you, and the majority.
Oh, so you're saying might really does make right... Or at least, you're appealing to the majority?

The truth is not what you perceive because for in order for it be the truth you have to have at least one other person to agree it is the truth.
Wait, you're saying none of us has access to truth at all? Because we all have to modify our beliefs to account for everybody elses? But what about people who huff paint? Can't I truthfully know this might be a bad idea?

Sure, in your mind, you may KNOW something. But that means nothing. Nothing means something if you write nothing on paper and try to make it something.
Sounds like Hume to me... But it also sounds like you're high... :thumbsup:
I mean, if nothing meant something just because I tried to make it something, well... that would be something wouldn' it?

Nothing like talking philosophy while blazing...

[WalkaWalka]

the first thing everyone should know is that they know nothing

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

the truth is not easy to accept, and i should shoot myself now so i dont tell...


the truth is hard to swallow... that reality is nothing. it is impossible to believe that we are nothingness, observing thoughts.

it cannot be accepted that everything we think, see, and feel are nothing more than thoughts.


no one wants to believe that if you put enough effort into a single thought that it can become real.


this is how reality started in the first place. the thoughts behind our very universe were given enough effort to become real.



The truth is what is perceived by you, and the majority.

The truth is not what you perceive because for in order for it be the truth you have to have at least one other person to agree it is the truth.

Sure, in your mind, you may KNOW something. But that means nothing. Nothing means something if you write nothing on paper and try to make it something.

But in the end the nothing that you made something will return to nothingness. The real truth is birth and the passing of your human vessel.
there is only one true truth, all others are lies created by the truth.


the one and only true truth is nothing.

nothing is the truth.

we ARE nothing, therefore we ARE the truth.

everything else is a lie which WE created.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Woah. What a welcome to the Spirituality boards! Damn!


the truth is hard to swallow... that reality is nothing. it is impossible to believe that we are nothingness, observing thoughts.

it cannot be accepted that everything we think, see, and feel are nothing more than thoughts.


no one wants to believe that if you put enough effort into a single thought that it can become real.


this is how reality started in the first place. the thoughts behind our very universe were given enough effort to become real.


I totally agree. I'm in a physics class and the first day of the class he told us that none of us are real. We are all just thoughts. Everything we know, everything we touch, everything we see, everything we hear, everything we smell, and everything we taste are all thoughts. We only exist in each others' imaginations. Quite a lot to load an a 10th grader, eh? Well. According to The Buddha, I shouldn't believe anything unless it agrees with my mind. My mind agrees with that idea. What if I were to completely block out chocolate from my mind? What if I somehow tricked myself to see any amount of chocolate as a mint or something? In my mind, that chocolate would look, smell, and taste like a mint. And I'd have no idea that I'm wrong. Pretty deep stuff on these boards...

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

^^^ Okay I kinda lost myself there. In reality, that chocolate is a mint. To my mind, anyways. So what is really reality? Maybe reality is that someone's mind mixed up chocolate and mint somewhere? But how could it be reality if a thought can change it?

Ergo...Reality is only what we think...

*Head explodes*

[ermitonto]

I'd venture to say that there really is an objective reality outside our brains. Our perception, however, is our only means of obtaining knowledge about it. We can only know what our sensory organs tell us, and sometimes they can be tricked. But no matter how you perceive chocolate, the chocolate will still be chocolate in objective reality, whatever that is.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

What if in the objective reality that piece of chocolate is actually nothing? What if the objective reality is that we're all little balls of matter floating through nothingness and all we perceive is what we think?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

I'd venture to say that there really is an objective reality outside our brains. Our perception, however, is our only means of obtaining knowledge about it. We can only know what our sensory organs tell us, and sometimes they can be tricked. But no matter how you perceive chocolate, the chocolate will still be chocolate in objective reality, whatever that is.there is no reality. before that choclate's ingrediants came together, before it's ingrediants even existed, they were nothing, literally absolutely nothing, just as we all are. all is nothing, nothing is all. everything was nothing before effort was put into making them "something", which is still only the same nothing it was in the first place.

so anyways, because everything is the same nothing, anything can be anything a mind makes it be, even if only for that one mind. so there is no physical universal reality.

the universal reality? nothing.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

How do any of us know we're not talking to ourselves? How do I know you aren't all creations of my subconscious to keep me company???

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

easy. we are. we are all "individual" minds. or egos.


every "individual" person is only a percent of the one mind that we all ARE.


you do not have a mind of your own. "a mind of your own" is only an ego of THE mind.

so really, we're all just talking to our self.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

So does that mean that if there is a God, he is probably all the billions of consciousnesses that have ever lived, and that work together knowing they are all one?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

there is a "god" but not in the way most people would think.


all of us combined = god as he is commonly understood to be.

also, there are large spirits (or egos) that do not inhabit a body, which controll aspects of our universe, such as elements, and physics.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

So there is a conglomerate (sp?) of egos that control Newton's first law? Each law of physics and science has a group of egos behind it?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

yes.

in a very literal way, doubts are what create physics and death.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

So what would happen if I wholeheartedly believed without a doubt that there is no such thing as gravity?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

you can fly, we all can, if we do this.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Would everyone as a whole have to believe it or would only one bodiless entity have to believe it?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

this is the problem. you cant give into other peoples' doubts. other people doubting, makes it harder for even others not to.



am i wrong? is it not easier to believe something when someone else does too?


well... stop letting others be an object, they tend to make it easy to doubt and hard to believe.


it is this that prevents flight, super speed, x-ray vision, walking on water, and lifting 500 times your weight.

[Euphoric]

there is a "god" but not in the way most people would think.


all of us combined = god as he is commonly understood to be.

also, there are large spirits (or egos) that do not inhabit a body, which controll aspects of our universe, such as elements, and physics.

:thumbsup: I LIKE THIS THEORY

Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow
vibration. That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no
such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom
with the weather. -tool

[Ganj]

there is no reality. before that choclate's ingrediants came together, before it's ingrediants even existed, they were nothing, literally absolutely nothing, just as we all are. all is nothing, nothing is all. everything was nothing before effort was put into making them "something", which is still only the same nothing it was in the first place.

so anyways, because everything is the same nothing, anything can be anything a mind makes it be, even if only for that one mind. so there is no physical universal reality.

the universal reality? nothing.a dog can't be a cat. stop bickering over what's reality and dream, thoughts or reality. all that matters is living this life, because no matter what - you can't change the process of life. which is living...and dying.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

If I believed that I would live until the secondcoming of Christ, Then I would live until the Secondcoming. It's that simple. In the Bible it is stated that if you were to command a mountain to be lifted up and thrown into the water, and within your heart you had no doubt it would happen, then it would be so. If you were to take the common beliefs from every religion, except atheism, in the world and condense them into a few paragraphs, you'd have this thread. Seems like we're on to something, doesn't it?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

you're taking things out of context Ganj.... erm... that's the best reply i can give you...

[Polymirize]

ganj

They're not bickering...
that's the point
Because there is no "real" difference between a dog and a cat, or a dog and a god. Because they're all the same.
that's the point

[UnViaje]

we share brain rain round us everywhere

besides that its all in ur fukn head

and fukk ur faith if its not ur own

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Fukk you for being ignorant.

All faiths have a few common dogmas to share with each other. Except for Atheism since you all believe in nothing :( . Just as long as your faith includes those I think you're doing pretty good :) . The Truth is actually a bit like The Matrix. Everything you can interact with in this world is nothing. It's all real, yet fake at the same time. Our bodiless forms created this universe long ago. We gave it the laws we know as Physics, and then we built ourselves planets and so on and so forth. They didn't build it with some limitless source of energy, rather they created an illusion for bodiless forms to go in. In Nothingness, where reality is only thoughts, we cannot see, hear, taste, smell, or feel anything. Now with this illusion we have a way of perceiving things. We don't really have a way to perceive anything because there is no such thing. There is nothing in reality to perceive. All there is, is thought. We are just bundles of thoughts and ideals. Of course, there is a certain complexity to this that I don't understand yet, but I do understand a bit. We are all thought, our bodies are just being controlled by a bundle of thought, and all of those bundles put together make up God. God is all-knowing because there isn't anything to know in reality except each other, and It knows everything in this universe because each Bodiless's knowledge put together knows every little in and out of this entire universe. Stoner Shadow Wolf, please take it from here because I'm still not ready :(

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

"Except for Atheism since you all believe in nothing."

that would adequately discribe my "belief", and knowing of the truth, which is nothing.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

Oops...Didn't think of it like that :(. Sorry.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

sorry about what? there should never be a reason to be sorry :P

[UnViaje]

i'm more like intolerant towards all dogmas if u wanna be technical. to me tru spirituality would release a mind from one track of believing. i'd just prefer a world where we all get a long n chill n respect each other like kin worldwide without praising a certain personification of a collective's idea of what the 'higher power' is. lets just all agree there is such a power n put all the b.s. on hold. open-mindedness is key, but i see religion as an impediment to a true sense of that aspect, its like a gang :thumbsup:

[MyAntiDrugIsAmy]

i'm more like intolerant towards all dogmas if u wanna be technical. to me tru spirituality would release a mind from one track of believing. i'd just prefer a world where we all get a long n chill n respect each other like kin worldwide without praising a certain personification of a collective's idea of what the 'higher power' is. lets just all agree there is such a power n put all the b.s. on hold. open-mindedness is key, but i see religion as an impediment to a true sense of that aspect, its like a gang :thumbsup:
it would be like a gang if the only way we could get along and chill is if we dropped all of our personal faiths. maybe God reaches people in different ways and some people will be able to grow spiritually if they keep their faith in Allah, God, Buddah etc.

[MyAntiDrugIsAmy]

i meant to edit it and add on, but i took too long to type....

we should keep an open-mind, but i think God reveals himself to people differently, so i doubt there's only one way to feel a spiritual connection. religion doesn't impede on a worldwide respect/chill, after all, if we had respect for each other, religious differences wouldn't matter.

[UnViaje]

i meant to edit it and add on, but i took too long to type....

we should keep an open-mind, but i think God reveals himself to people differently, so i doubt there's only one way to feel a spiritual connection. religion doesn't impede on a worldwide respect/chill, after all, if we had respect for each other, religious differences wouldn't matter.

of course theres many ways to make spiritual connections, from my experiences i just see dependancy on one philosophy for spiritual guidance as not the full potential of what it can be. if we did have respect for each other, we wouldnt have religion is more like it

[opiuser]

If you think it does that mean it happend? Does the sheer act of thinking of an event occur in our minds as a thought because it really happend elsewhere in the 4th dimension? If so does the event have to occur if you only think about thinking about, and so on to infinity, the event, but never acually think about it?

Is the universe really just the compilement of thoughts? Does that make it just a dream? Is the universe only here becuase if their was a universe it would eventually create life that could dream(think) it into existance?

If the above is true are our subconsious minds aware of our future, and does it spell out our destiny? Would the subconcious mind leave clues along the way to help the consious mind aware of it? Do our subconcious minds communicate with other subconsious minds?

Does I think therefore I am not make more sense than I think therefore I am?

Did I smoke to much and write some dumb philosophy?

Why, are these thoughts practically erased from my memory unless conciderable concentration is applied?

no its not dumb philosophy... no such thing as dumb philosophy.

our subconcious mind is aware of everything everywhere... we're just stuck in our concious mind so we dont realize it

[Polymirize]

I'll admit that I think the subconscious is aware of more than the conscious mind... but do you really think that that awareness is total?


I think not being able to possess total understanding is just part of the way things work. rational and irrational might be a better way of saying it. But, clarify please...

[Ganj]

Fukk you for being ignorant.

All faiths have a few common dogmas to share with each other. Except for Atheism since you all believe in nothing :( . Just as long as your faith includes those I think you're doing pretty good :) . The Truth is actually a bit like The Matrix. Everything you can interact with in this world is nothing. It's all real, yet fake at the same time. Our bodiless forms created this universe long ago. We gave it the laws we know as Physics, and then we built ourselves planets and so on and so forth. They didn't build it with some limitless source of energy, rather they created an illusion for bodiless forms to go in. In Nothingness, where reality is only thoughts, we cannot see, hear, taste, smell, or feel anything. Now with this illusion we have a way of perceiving things. We don't really have a way to perceive anything because there is no such thing. There is nothing in reality to perceive. All there is, is thought. We are just bundles of thoughts and ideals. Of course, there is a certain complexity to this that I don't understand yet, but I do understand a bit. We are all thought, our bodies are just being controlled by a bundle of thought, and all of those bundles put together make up God. God is all-knowing because there isn't anything to know in reality except each other, and It knows everything in this universe because each Bodiless's knowledge put together knows every little in and out of this entire universe. Stoner Shadow Wolf, please take it from here because I'm still not ready :(
my bad for taking it WAY out of context in my last post, but honestly, i think you've been watching too many movies. i'm as open-minded as it gets and...don't get me wrong - i understand everything your saying here, but it just doesn't compute. know what i mean? there's flaws. could you show me where you might have read on this or seen it? thanks.

[beachguy in thongs]

The first religions were Pagan and it is said to be the same stories of Jesus. Without researching entire religions, I'm gonna go to a different forum.

[beachguy in thongs]

Also, Gnostic religions were one of the first.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

gnostics = Christianity BC.

[Monkey4Sale]

There were religions prior to paganism as well. Where did you get your information?

[beachguy in thongs]

Yes, I know that. They say it was created with Language. Pagan religions have no God, hence no understanding of Him when they are created into Mystic Religions or whatever.

If you can find Hypostasis of the Archons or The Thought of Norea, read it.

[opiuser]

gnostics = Christianity BC.

gnosticism is very anti christian...

they beleive that the god mentioned in the bible is an evil, vengeful god, ruled by a higher god whom they worship.

[beachguy in thongs]

Gnostics were early Christians. There are Gnostics now who aren't Christians. They don't have much literature because Christians destroyed all the Gnostic texts.

[TheMDKyle]

I like your theories, Stoner. Can you tell me what you've been studying?

[Polymirize]

my bad for taking it WAY out of context in my last post, but honestly, i think you've been watching too many movies. i'm as open-minded as it gets and...don't get me wrong - i understand everything your saying here, but it just doesn't compute. know what i mean? there's flaws. could you show me where you might have read on this or seen it? thanks.

Like he said, he's not quite ready yet, but he's got some good ideas.

To answer your question though, you could try taking a look at skeptical arguments. Both epistemological skepticism and skepticism of the external world (this last one is what the matrix is based off, as well as abre los ojos and a number of other stories)
Buddhism or Taoism could probably make a lot of these connections for you as well.
And then there's always particle physics, or high level math that deals with issues of infinity...

[beachguy in thongs]

gnosticism is very anti christian...

they beleive that the god mentioned in the bible is an evil, vengeful god, ruled by a higher god whom they worship.

Christianity is very anti-gnostic. Gnostics believe that we can all achieve a "godly" status. Gnostics don't worship Jesus Christ and think he's only a myth created from Jewish Gnostics.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

I like your theories, Stoner. Can you tell me what you've been studying?thoughts.