Dutch to ban burka.

[amsterdam]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1823334,00.html


I gotta say,this is a pretty bold move that will be met with great anger by the religon of peace.The Dutch are smart.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I'm glad to see that they're banning it. Hopefully, other countires will follow suit. Nobody feels comfortable when they see that outfit. Let the women stay home if they don't like the law.

[Mojavpa]

What a huge setback for civil liberties. Fuck the Dutch. They're slowly but surely following in the right wing foot steps of America. I dont understand how banning women and girls from wearing burkas is a safety measure. If a terrorist want to strike, he'll try to strike no matter what the laws about burkas are. Why doesnt the right wing government stop tiptoeing around what they really want, and just order a mass deportation of all Arabs.

[Mojavpa]

I'm glad to see that they're banning it. Hopefully, other countires will follow suit. Nobody feels comfortable when they see that outfit. Let the women stay home if they don't like the law.

Ok. So what outfits please the general public should be the question. Well I'm Indian, and white people dont feel that comfortable seeing saris. Oh, and all those goth kids, yeah, I dont feel comfortable seeing them, so lets make another law for them too. Yeah, and ban kimonos too because I'm sure white people will stare if you wear one of those to the grocery store.

People should be able to wear whatever the fuck they want. I dont see how how a women covering her entire body is offensive to you.

[Stedric]

I find it amusing that such a redundant move could actually be seen as increasing safety,

We have a long way to go.

[Breukelen advocaat]

What a huge setback for civil liberties. Fuck the Dutch. They're slowly but surely following in the right wing foot steps of America. I dont understand how banning women and girls from wearing burkas is a safety measure. If a terrorist want to strike, he'll try to strike no matter what the laws about burkas are. Why doesnt the right wing government stop tiptoeing around what they really want, and just order a mass deportation of all Arabs.

You "don't understand"? Well, let me tell you why it's not safe to allow people to cover their faces with black rags: BECAUSE THEY CAN COMMIT CRIMES AND GET AWAY WITH IT! Would a white man be allowed to wear an executioners' hood in public? You can bet they wouldn't get halfway down the street before getting arrested, or worse. These women, or anybody else, should not be allowed to do it, either. Unfortunately, the U.S. will probably continue to allow it for a long time.

Many Moslem societies have banned the Burka over the centuries - it's NOT part of their "religion".

We love "diversity", but we are not about to let these people destroy our homeland with their insane beliefs.

[Stedric]

Your homeland has plenty of insane beliefs on its own without the help of Arabs.

[Mojavpa]

You "don't understand"? Well, let me tell you why it's not safe to allow people to cover their faces with black rags: BECAUSE THEY CAN COMMIT CRIMES AND GET AWAY WITH IT! Would a white man be allowed to wear an executioners' hood in public? You can bet they wouldn't get halfway down the street before getting arrested, or worse. These women, or anybody else, should not be allowed to do it, either. Unfortunately, the U.S. will probably continue to allow it for a long time.

Many Moslem societies have banned the Burka over the centuries - it's NOT part of their "religion".

We love "diversity", but we are not about to let these people destroy our homeland with their insane beliefs.

When women wear Burka, their eyes
are still exposed. According to your logic, anyone in the cold climate of Amsterdam who wears a scarve and hat and coat should be arrested, because their face is still covered. (I dont know about you, but when its really cold, almost my entire body is covered.) And the government only bans headscarves at football games, so in my opinion they should just include burkas in that existing law if they're that paranoid. Why single out moslem women?

[nicholasstanko]

I'm glad to see that they're banning it. Hopefully, other countires will follow suit. Nobody feels comfortable when they see that outfit. Let the women stay home if they don't like the law.


freedom of speech and expression...only if you agree with it i suppose...


i dont feel comfortable seeing drunk southerners walk around with a confederate flag on their t-shirts but thats MY problem.


but you're right...let them stay home. they dont wish to be like you, so they must be scum.


freedom-hater.

[nicholasstanko]

You "don't understand"? Well, let me tell you why it's not safe to allow people to cover their faces with black rags: BECAUSE THEY CAN COMMIT CRIMES AND GET AWAY WITH IT! Would a white man be allowed to wear an executioners' hood in public? You can bet they wouldn't get halfway down the street before getting arrested, or worse. These women, or anybody else, should not be allowed to do it, either. Unfortunately, the U.S. will probably continue to allow it for a long time.

is it a customary pracitce for a white man to wear an executioner's hood? and you're being pretty sensationalist if you think he'd be arrested...stopped and asked a few questions perhaps...

Many Moslem societies have banned the Burka over the centuries - it's NOT part of their "religion".

We love "diversity", but we are not about to let these people destroy our homeland with their insane beliefs.

and who the fuck are you to judge what's insane or not? just because your country has more money than most other countries? just what gives YOu the right to judge what is right to wear or not to wear? seriously, just who the fuck are you?

[hempity]

looks like you guys are going to be walking around naked (for public safety of course) wearing helmuts.
you could be hiding something in your pockets or under your dresses, that could harm the owners.
can't be having that now

[hempity]

buy the way, i heard that white guys aren't allowed to wear masks in public.
not that long ago i was surrounded by a bunch of black masked white guys in public and they wanted to take all my money, all my pot, break up my house, fuck my dog, and then make me get on the ground so they could jump on me handcuff me and take me to jail.
guess i could of had them arrested?

[Mojavpa]

looks like you guys are going to be walking around naked (for public safety of course) wearing helmuts.
you could be hiding something in your pockets or under your dresses, that could harm the owners.
can't be having that now

Good point

[hempity]

not really funny, i still can't find a helmet to fit, i was going to shave my head and paint it or tatoo a nice helmet on it but then the lice would have been homeless.

[seedbare]

I doubt this has anything to do with hiding bombs ect. what it is, the govt. wants a means of identifying people, thats what all those camera's are out in public, are for, although the pretence is for the public's safety, like they say it's not a war on drug's it's a war on personal freedom.

I mean I can wear a full length london fog raincoat and carry as many bombs as I like.

[Breukelen advocaat]

You guys can curse and scream all you want, but logic and reason will prevail in the end - or we're all fucked.

Since many of them are foul, I'd actually prefer it if MORE of them wore the black rag-veils over their faces - but safety from terrorism is more important than masking unattractiveness. As we used to say in Brooklyn, "If I had a dog that looked like that, I'd shave it's ass and make it walk backwards". :cool:

[Psycho4Bud]

But now, there is the new reality of female Chechen suicide bombers.

First seen during last year's Moscow theatre siege, they have conducted a number of bloody attacks in the subsequent months.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3052934.stm

There is a definate need for this! PROVEN!!!

[hempity]

You guys can curse and scream all you want, but logic and reason will prevail in the end - or we're all fucked.

Since many of them are foul, I'd actually prefer it if MORE of them wore the black rag-veils over their faces - but safety from terrorism is more important than masking unattractiveness. As we used to say in Brooklyn, "If I had a dog that looked like that, I'd shave it's ass and make it walk backwards". :cool:

looks like you are fucked anyway
i think you will look cute in a helmet and butt plug, that would be so you can't hide anything up there either
say you didn't say anything about your white guys wearing hoods either, maybe you really told me, by putting me on ignore

[Breukelen advocaat]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1823334,00.html

I would advise anybody that is casually scanning these posts to skip the sick replies and read the article that started this thread (above). The REAL "freedom-haters" are the Islamists, and they are NOT going to win a war against Western Civilization anytime soon. This is clearly evident when the Netherlands, probably the most liberal country in the world, is taking preventative measures against terrorism and other violent extremism. We love freedom, and their religion mandates the destruction of it. We will prevail, and whatever steps must be taken to assure this will hopefully be realized very soon.

[hempity]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1823334,00.html

I would advise anybody that is casually scanning these posts to skip the sick replies and read the article that started this thread (above). The REAL "freedom-haters" are the Islamists, and they are NOT going to win a war against Western Civilization anytime soon. This is clearly evident when the Netherlands, probably the most liberal country in the world, is taking preventative measures against terrorism and other violent extremism. We love freedom, and their religion mandates the destruction of it. We will prevail, and whatever steps must be taken to assure this will hopefully be realized very soon.

i think my replies are fun, and yours are not.
i think western civilization is a virus, it sure brought disease and sickness to the red man, i don't think the black man fared any better when you drug his family over here.
true freedom scares every one of you i have talked to, it means responsibility for actions which none of you will take.
it is your terror that plagues you, i don't have any, you can't give it to me, hell i scare you, if you ever saw me in person, you would faint.
you will prevail how, by hiring more thugs to run around to make sure butt plugs are firmly implanted and everyone has their papers in order?

[Breukelen advocaat]

i think my replies are fun, and yours are not. i think western civilization is a virus, it sure brought disease and sickness to the red man, i don't think the black man fared any better when you drug his family over here. true freedom scares every one of you i have talked to, it means responsibility for actions which none of you will take. it is your terror that plagues you, i don't have any, you can't give it to me, hell i scare you, if you ever saw me in person, you would faint. you will prevail how, by hiring more thugs to run around to make sure butt plugs are firmly implanted and everyone has their papers in order?

I take it that you think youâ??re big, bad and ugly? Why do you think that I would â??faintâ?� if I saw you? A large number of my fellow Brooklynites, some of them very tough people, fled Brooklyn, in the 1970â??s and 80â??s, to escape the crime. I stayed, and things eventually got better, as they will continue to do in the rest of the country. If you think that you present more of a potential threat than the people and situations Iâ??ve encountered, you are sadly mistaken. I grew up here, and have the scars to prove it. Your jailhouse convict humor is disgusting, and you might be also, but for me to "faint" because of these things? I don't think so, lol.

[hempity]

i think my replies are fun, and yours are not. i think western civilization is a virus, it sure brought disease and sickness to the red man, i don't think the black man fared any better when you drug his family over here. true freedom scares every one of you i have talked to, it means responsibility for actions which none of you will take. it is your terror that plagues you, i don't have any, you can't give it to me, hell i scare you, if you ever saw me in person, you would faint. you will prevail how, by hiring more thugs to run around to make sure butt plugs are firmly implanted and everyone has their papers in order?

I take it that you think youâ??re big, bad and ugly? Why do you think that I would â??faintâ?� if I saw you? A large number of my fellow Brooklynites, some of them very tough people, fled Brooklyn, in the 1970â??s and 80â??s, to escape the crime. I stayed, and things eventually got better, as they will continue to do in the rest of the country. If you think that you present more of a potential threat than the people and situations Iâ??ve encountered, you are sadly mistaken. I grew up here, and have the scars to prove it. Your jailhouse convict humor is disgusting, and you might be also, but for me to "faint" because of these things? I don't think so, lol.


boy that's all you picked up from my post?
there is something really amiss in your head, afraid of being afraid or what.
i was in bed sty in the 70's was leaving for a farm in new hampshire and asked a friend if they wanted to visit me the farmhouse had lots of rooms, they said no, they told me that they didn't have a gun and new hampshire was the woods.
so sad
the only things in the woods to be afraid of are the murderers that come from the city pretending to hunt.
by the way i was born ugly and big i am not however bad.
maybe you would not faint, but your heart would jump and your pulse would race and you would be looking for an exit.

[amsterdam]

But i thought the Dutch were such a nice, progressive, tolerant people.lol. guess not.

[amsterdam]

they are also rounding up people who call for destruction of their country and sending them home. Fuck,what a smart,bold move.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,172228,00.html

[yocass]

"In the Netherlands, school officials once forbade students from wearing burqa, arguing that non-verbal communication is required to teach the syllabus.

A court in New Zealand ruled that women cannot wear a burqa while providing courtroom testimony. To compromise, the Islamic Women's Council endorsed a policy that allowed Muslim women to be hidden from public view by a screen.

In Italy, hiding one's face while in public has been forbidden since 1975. An anti-terrorism law passed in 2005 imposes increased fines and prison sentences for violators of the law. Some believe that lawmakers specifically intended this clause to prevent women from wearing burqas."

If I saw a woman wearing that, Id think "damn.. shes really into her religion" (yes, you dumb fuck it is part of the religion. Some cultures interperet whether or not it is necessary differently.) Just like in catholicism, using any form of birth control, including condoms, is forbidden. But who all does that?? But I defenitely wouldnt think terrorist. Who gives a shit about their faces, its not like if they WERE a terrorist, that any local police would recognize them among the sea of other faces on crowded streets.

[amsterdam]

i wonder how that would fly in the U.S. with the ACLU around?

[amsterdam]

the ACLU dosent even want kids to play dodgeball in school because it promotes racist feelings????hahahaha.

[F L E S H]

I actually agree with banning burqas, as ong as we also ban all signs of religion. Religion is a cancer on society, and we'll never be free unitl it is eradicated. So crosses in public, burqas, hijabs, yamikahs, and whatever is an outward sign of religious belief should be banned.

[hempity]

I actually agree with banning burqas, as ong as we also ban all signs of religion. Religion is a cancer on society, and we'll never be free unitl it is eradicated. So crosses in public, burqas, hijabs, yamikahs, and whatever is an outward sign of religious belief should be banned.

i guess the thought of walking around naked with butt plugs (two plugs for girls) appeals to you, no worries, my whole family walked around and swam naked.

i agree that religion has caused most of the death and destruction on the planet, but do you really want to give this kind of power to the government?, i guess you really don't have a choice.
you are only giving in to fear, there are no terrorist, it is all in your mind.
after they are done with fixing the clothing problem they can start on the thinking problem, they already know our minds can be a weapon against them, guess they will have to disarm us there also.
someday you are going to have to explain to your children how you destroyed their world and allowed the government to invade their lives so fully

[F L E S H]

i guess the thought of walking around naked with butt plugs (two plugs for girls) appeals to you, no worries, my whole family walked around and swam naked.

i agree that religion has caused most of the death and destruction on the planet, but do you really want to give this kind of power to the government?, i guess you really don't have a choice.
you are only giving in to fear, there are no terrorist, it is all in your mind.
after they are done with fixing the clothing problem they can start on the thinking problem, they already know our minds can be a weapon against them, guess they will have to disarm us there also.
someday you are going to have to explain to your children how you destroyed their world and allowed the government to invade their lives so fully
This has nothing to do with terrorism, conservatism, or christian fundamentalism. I think it's a horrible practice, maybe just a notch better than female circumcision. The goal is to liberate women from the tyranny of religion, at least in Europe and North America. We don't have the right to tell other governments what to do, like in the Middle East, but at least we can help those who came here.

[hempity]

This has nothing to do with terrorism, conservatism, or christian fundamentalism. I think it's a horrible practice, maybe just a notch better than female circumcision. The goal is to liberate women from the tyranny of religion, at least in Europe and North America. We don't have the right to tell other governments what to do, like in the Middle East, but at least we can help those who came here.



the burka is not just a religious item it is a way to dress to be protected from harsh elements, to ban it because you think it is a horrible practice is a bit scary, you might think eating frog is horrible, and then where would all the frenchmen get the spring in their step.

how can you have freedom of religion in one hand, and then tell it, or set limitations on it in the other?

[pisshead]

yeah, there's a reason we have the 1st amendment...for the time being...it's in the process of being shit-canned...

[Tholiak]

1st ammendment doesnt protect Burkas, look at the Case in Florida where the woman screamed freedom of religion because she couldnt wear it on her Drivers License, saying it was part of her religion. Too bad she lost the case in Florida Supreme Court, since it was found that SAUDI ARABIA allows woman to take picture id's with the burka off.

[hempity]

yeah, there's a reason we have the 1st amendment...for the time being...it's in the process of being shit-canned...





i just figured out what your name means, it means phd right? i have always wondered how you said those three letters together, when i said they were puds, every body told me no, that's not how you say it.
now i can call all my phd friends pissheads, they will get it right away, took me a while.

[Breukelen advocaat]

the ACLU dosent even want kids to play dodgeball in school because it promotes racist feelings????hahahaha.

Dodgeball in school, in the 60's in Brooklyn, was dangerous for my wife and other girls. She was petite, and certain stronger girls would throw that ball at her pretty viciously.
Bullies always get their comeuppance, eventually, and I'm sure those girls did.
The ACLU, in this case, was right.

[nicholasstanko]

Dodgeball in school, in the 60's in Brooklyn, was dangerous for my wife and other girls. She was petite, and certain stronger girls would throw that ball at her pretty viciously.
Bullies always get their comeuppance, eventually, and I'm sure those girls did.
The ACLU, in this case, was right.


pansies

[Edgar]

To be honest, I had no idea what the "burka" is (<- should that be was? I'm no good with tense) until i checked the link... And now that i know... I don't care.

[Breukelen advocaat]

pansies

Yeah, and so are the people that complain about "police brutality", discrimination, housing, etc., lol! What goes around, comes around.

[hempity]

Yeah, and so are the people that complain about "police brutality", discrimination, housing, etc., lol! What goes around, comes around.

what the hell is wrong with you?
you like those brutal ARMED thugs?
you think they are going to protect you, you are up for a big disillusionment, the first time you do something the bullies with badges don't like, and i don't even feel sorry for you, but boy it's gonna hurt, they learn pain hold techniques that will leave you a whimpering pile of shit. (lol) better get ready, i am sure they will get to your house before the "terrorist" do.

[Breukelen advocaat]

what the hell is wrong with you?
you like those brutal ARMED thugs?
you think they are going to protect you, you are up for a big disillusionment, the first time you do something the bullies with badges don't like, and i don't even feel sorry for you, but boy it's gonna hurt, they learn pain hold techniques that will leave you a whimpering pile of shit. (lol) better get ready, i am sure they will get to your house before the "terrorist" do.

I was just making a point that Nick's dismissing of the abuses and racial antagonisms of some youth, against others, does not take into consideration that this is one of the reasons why their behavior comes back to haunt them later on.

People that have been injured (Iâ??m not talking about the police), physically and otherwise (and I HAVE been in both respects), are far more likely to strike back. If somebody targets me, in the streets or wherever, they ALWAYS back off when they see my expression and/or body language - not to mention the things that I say, lol. Sorry, but that's the way I survived here. When you tell somebody that you will kill them, and they know that you mean it, these cowards will back off â?? even if they are bigger, armed with a weapon (not a gun), etc. Thatâ??s survival in the streets, and if our leaders understood this, weâ??d have far less to worry about. Unfortunately, they donâ??t know how to handle terrorists, and the do-gooders would rather we all die than protect ourselves. I learned a long time ago that cowards, which all predators are, do not go after crazy people.

You are kidding yourself if you think that by removing the police we would be safer. This is absurd.

If you could be a little more specific as to the circumstances of the police injuring you, maybe it would make more sense â?? because some of us have not had this experience. Iâ??m not saying it didnâ??t happen, but we donâ??t know what your experience was. Iâ??ve gotten ticketed a few times for smoking in the wrong place, and spoken to nastily, but thatâ??s about it.

I have had a lot more trouble with people than cops, and I think that many would say the same. Some people actually deserve what they get, but you donâ??t seem to think that justice ever prevails. Well, I've accepted the fact that it doesn't always happen, there are some bad people everywhere and always will be, and try to work around it. Sorry for your problem, whatever it was. I've been badly hurt also. As the old military saying goes, "That which does not kill you, makes you stronger".

[Torog]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1823334,00.html

I would advise anybody that is casually scanning these posts to skip the sick replies and read the article that started this thread (above). The REAL "freedom-haters" are the Islamists, and they are NOT going to win a war against Western Civilization anytime soon. This is clearly evident when the Netherlands, probably the most liberal country in the world, is taking preventative measures against terrorism and other violent extremism. We love freedom, and their religion mandates the destruction of it. We will prevail, and whatever steps must be taken to assure this will hopefully be realized very soon.
Howdy Breukelen,

Exactly...you hit the nail on the head.

Another reason to ban burka's,is that homicide bombers,males,have used them as a disguise to look like women,in order to carry their insidious plans out.

Have a good one ...

[Psycho4Bud]

the burka is not just a religious item it is a way to dress to be protected from harsh elements, to ban it because you think it is a horrible practice is a bit scary, you might think eating frog is horrible, and then where would all the frenchmen get the spring in their step.

how can you have freedom of religion in one hand, and then tell it, or set limitations on it in the other?

I'm sure the Dutch sandstorms warrent the use of having to wear a Burka. :rolleyes:

[amsterdam]

whatever. I just thought the dutch were smart,and they dont give a shit what anyone is gonna say

[nicholasstanko]

Yeah, and so are the people that complain about "police brutality", discrimination, housing, etc., lol! What goes around, comes around.


like i said before, i dont need the police to protect me. but when they insinuate themselves to do a job i can easily take care of myself and they abuse that power, im going to speak out.


you're insane if you try to compare police burtality to dodgeball.



pansy

[Breukelen advocaat]

like i said before, i dont need the police to protect me. but when they insinuate themselves to do a job i can easily take care of myself and they abuse that power, im going to speak out.
pansy

â??Pansyâ?�? Didnâ??t that phrase go out in about 1948? There seems to be a slight cultural lag in the Great White North.

If you were forced to go three rounds with the world's heavyweight boxing champion, or one of the top ten contenders, how would you do? How about five rounds against the middleweight champ?

An educational system that includes dodge ball, in the required curriculum, is sick - especially in the inner cities. It shows how stupid teachers can be. They would not let a 150 lb. 5th grader throw the projectile against a 4th grader of ANY size, but will allow him or her to slam a 75 lb. kid in their own grade level â?? as long as it wasnâ??t THEIR kid.

We learned, at a young age, that you couldnâ??t take all of the authoritiesâ?? rules as absolute â?? so you learned to work around some.

The last time I had a confrontation with some asshole in the street that was acting threateningly towards me, he ended up running away and fumbling with his cell phone to call the police on ME.

I would guess that all of the â??regularsâ?� on the Politics forum of this website are peaceful people â?? but some do not understand how un-peaceful much of the worldâ??s population is. They are in denial about it, and the next wake-up call that they are likely to receive will not be from the cops.

[andruejaysin]

Hopefully, they will now prohibit the wearing of the cross, one stupid superstition deserves as much respect as another.

[F L E S H]

the burka is not just a religious item it is a way to dress to be protected from harsh elements, to ban it because you think it is a horrible practice is a bit scary, you might think eating frog is horrible, and then where would all the frenchmen get the spring in their step.

how can you have freedom of religion in one hand, and then tell it, or set limitations on it in the other?
LOL

You still don't understand me. I want no religion at all, not freedom of religion. I can only dream, I know...

[nicholasstanko]

â??Pansyâ?�? Didnâ??t that phrase go out in about 1948? There seems to be a slight cultural lag in the Great White North.


If you were forced to go three rounds with the world's heavyweight boxing champion, or one of the top ten contenders, how would you do? How about five rounds against the middleweight champ?

An educational system that includes dodge ball, in the required curriculum, is sick - especially in the inner cities. It shows how stupid teachers can be. They would not let a 150 lb. 5th grader throw the projectile against a 4th grader of ANY size, but will allow him or her to slam a 75 lb. kid in their own grade level â?? as long as it wasnâ??t THEIR kid.

We learned, at a young age, that you couldnâ??t take all of the authoritiesâ?? rules as absolute â?? so you learned to work around some.

The last time I had a confrontation with some asshole in the street that was acting threateningly towards me, he ended up running away and fumbling with his cell phone to call the police on ME.

I would guess that all of the â??regularsâ?� on the Politics forum of this website are peaceful people â?? but some do not understand how un-peaceful much of the worldâ??s population is. They are in denial about it, and the next wake-up call that they are likely to receive will not be from the cops.


Why do you think you scared that guy off? you suffered as a kid, but in the end it made you tougher.

thats what dealing with adversity is about. look at our school systems now. theyr pathetic. playgrounds look like fucking polyurethane boxes nowadays because noone wants their kid to have a scraped knee.

parents are too scared to spank their kids because they would rather be buddies than role models.

im not sending my kid to any school that doesnt have bullies and for goddamn good reason. you have to learn about when to stand up or when to fold up. if my son comes in with a bloody nose, then he's going to clean up and march his ass right back to school the next day. and he'll come home with a bloody nose until he puts a stop to it.


you support killing iraqis, but what would you do if somehow an army came to america? say twenty years from now? would you rahter have your kid picking up a rifle and getting to it, or asking uncle sam to give em a time out.



lets roll

[Breukelen advocaat]

Why do you think you scared that guy off?
Because I was in a good mood, and didn't want to lose it.

you suffered as a kid, but in the end it made you tougher.
True, but it's not an ideal way to have to live.

thats what dealing with adversity is about. look at our school systems now. theyr pathetic. playgrounds look like fucking polyurethane boxes nowadays because noone wants their kid to have a scraped knee. parents are too scared to spank their kids because they would rather be buddies than role models. im not sending my kid to any school that doesnt have bullies and for goddamn good reason. you have to learn about when to stand up or when to fold up. if my son comes in with a bloody nose, then he's going to clean up and march his ass right back to school the next day. and he'll come home with a bloody nose until he puts a stop to it.
Then you should teach him to fight, or send him to classes for boxing, or martial arts, etc

you support killing iraqis
I never said that I was, or was not, in favor of the Iraq war.

, but what would you do if somehow an army came to america? say twenty years from now? would you rahter have your kid picking up a rifle and getting to it, or asking uncle sam to give em a time out.
I do not have kids. I do not believe in the draft, but if I did (have a son), and he joined the armed forces, I would expect him to do his duty.

lets roll

1,2,3

[hempity]

I was just making a point that Nick's dismissing of the abuses and racial antagonisms of some youth, against others, does not take into consideration that this is one of the reasons why their behavior comes back to haunt them later on.

People that have been injured (Iâ??m not talking about the police), physically and otherwise (and I HAVE been in both respects), are far more likely to strike back. If somebody targets me, in the streets or wherever, they ALWAYS back off when they see my expression and/or body language - not to mention the things that I say, lol. Sorry, but that's the way I survived here. When you tell somebody that you will kill them, and they know that you mean it, these cowards will back off â?? even if they are bigger, armed with a weapon (not a gun), etc. Thatâ??s survival in the streets, and if our leaders understood this, weâ??d have far less to worry about. Unfortunately, they donâ??t know how to handle terrorists, and the do-gooders would rather we all die than protect ourselves. I learned a long time ago that cowards, which all predators are, do not go after crazy people.

You are kidding yourself if you think that by removing the police we would be safer. This is absurd.

If you could be a little more specific as to the circumstances of the police injuring you, maybe it would make more sense â?? because some of us have not had this experience. Iâ??m not saying it didnâ??t happen, but we donâ??t know what your experience was. Iâ??ve gotten ticketed a few times for smoking in the wrong place, and spoken to nastily, but thatâ??s about it.

I have had a lot more trouble with people than cops, and I think that many would say the same. Some people actually deserve what they get, but you donâ??t seem to think that justice ever prevails. Well, I've accepted the fact that it doesn't always happen, there are some bad people everywhere and always will be, and try to work around it. Sorry for your problem, whatever it was. I've been badly hurt also. As the old military saying goes, "That which does not kill you, makes you stronger".


doesn't seem from Nic's posts that he dismisses much, seems to hear me quite clear even wanting his future kids to hear me, children hear me very clear, and i want them to, i say good things.
natives call me "crazy upright", crazy because i am in the world of the spirit more than i am here, upright, to remind me to stand straight and proud, to show children how a man stands.

can't see your expression nor your body language from here, and the things you say do scare me, but only with the amount of ignorance you defend.
not all predators are cowards, some are real hungry, all bullies are cowards, but that's just because they are afraid.



a type of enforcement is needed in a society, i don't want to have to worry about the women and children i cannot protect, but really, even you can see that the current policing polices don't work. police are hired for muscle and loyalty to the owners. why not hire them for intelligence and compassion instead. the amount of ordinances and laws you try to get them to enforce is absurd.
i would bet my bottom dollar that there were more than 10,000 laws and amendments to laws past in yank-land this year, california might have had that many alone.

don't have the time to tell you about more than one, but here goes.
coming out of a party of a hundred friends upon the police who had pulled over a friend coming to the party. first they asked him for his licence, after he pulled it out of his wallet, they asked for insurance, he produced that, all the while they were berating him for being a hippie and threatening to straighten him out. when they saw his dog sleeping in the back of his van the young bully asked for his dog licence, before producing it he said "oh fuck" under his breath, the bully pulled him from the car and slammed his light weight ass on the asphalt and proceeded to hand cuff him for obscene language. i walked up and told the bully that this was unnecessary and told my friend he did not have to go to jail, one of the bullies from the pack (they had called back-up by then) jumped on my back, my body reacted and five bullies were hurt, not badly, after more back-up and a beating i will never forget we were taken to jail, stripped and fire-hosed for a while.
in court no one would admit to arresting me, (i was well known in town as a peaceful and gentle man), so the judge fined me fifty dollars for disturbing the peace.
#1

i wouldn't need odds on you having trouble with people unless they thought like you.
justice in your country goes to the highest bidder, bad people are just real frightened or have been treated real badly and don't know any difference. i am not sorry for my problems, don't you be, they made me what i am, and i like that. i don't believe your old military any more than i believe you. i think you can beat a dog or man so many times for so many reasons, they either jump up and rip out your black heart, or lay down and die.

[amsterdam]

Wonder if the Dutch will cave from the pressure and give in to the religon of peace. It seems like they are getting cold feet.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1827632,00.html

[Breukelen advocaat]

....i am in the world of the spirit more than i am here, upright, to remind me to stand straight and proud, to show children how a man stands.
can't see your expression nor your body language from here, and the things you say do scare me, but only with the amount of ignorance you defend.
not all predators are cowards, some are real hungry, all bullies are cowards, but that's just because they are afraid.
... i am not sorry for my problems, don't you be, they made me what i am, and i like that. i don't believe your old military any more than i believe you. i think you can beat a dog or man so many times for so many reasons, they either jump up and rip out your black heart, or lay down and die.



I gave an example of AVOIDING violence by defusing a potential altercation, and you don't approve.

I do not know what racial, financial, social, ethnic background or region you originally come from but you despise Western civilization, both the bad AND good. I submit that you are denying your own background due to self-hatred, resentment, and the whole Vietnam War protest era. You are a man with many unresolved issues. A non-Indian can imitate the Native Americans but can not, and never will be able to, be one of them - unless he was born and raised among them.

If you think that the Native Americans were, or are, perfect, you are mistaken. There are admirable, and despicable, things about them just like everyone else that is human.

If you look at it objectively, all humans were "Noble Savages" at one time, and most changed â?? sometimes for the better. The Native Americans HAD to change, sooner or later, because it is human nature. Otherwise, theyâ??ve had died out, with our without the help of others. Hopefully, some of the â??Nobleâ?� parts will remain with their culture, and be reintroduced to other groups â?? particularly with regards to respect and upkeep for our planet.

I have been subjected to discrimination, affirmative action injustices, illnesses, unemployment, problems with my own race (including family and friends), and things that are too lengthy and morbid to even write about. I don't drink myself into a stupor, and certainly would not start under any circumstances. The chronic alcohol problem that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society.

[F L E S H]

I gave an example of AVOIDING violence by defusing a potential altercation, and you don't approve.

I do not know what racial, financial, social, ethnic background or region you originally come from but you despise Western civilization, both the bad AND good. I submit that you are denying your own background due to self-hatred, resentment, and the whole Vietnam War protest era. You are a man with many unresolved issues. A non-Indian can imitate the Native Americans but can not, and never will be able to, be one of them - unless he was born and raised among them.

If you think that the Native Americans were, or are, perfect, you are mistaken. There are admirable, and despicable, things about them just like everyone else that is human.

If you look at it objectively, all humans were "Noble Savages" at one time, and most changed â?? sometimes for the better. The Native Americans HAD to change, sooner or later, because it is human nature. Otherwise, theyâ??ve had died out, with our without the help of others. Hopefully, some of the â??Nobleâ?� parts will remain with their culture, and be reintroduced to other groups â?? particularly with regards to respect and upkeep for our planet.

I have been subjected to discrimination, affirmative action injustices, illnesses, unemployment, problems with my own race (including family and friends), and things that are too lengthy and morbid to even write about. I don't drink myself into a stupor, and certainly would not start under any circumstances. The chronic alcohol problem that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society.
Whoa... I agreed with what you were saying until you said "that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society." And who do you think GAVE alcohol to the Natives? While it's true that Native American history and culture is still viewed through the 19th century concept of the Noble Savage, You still can't deny the fact that early traders used alcohol knowingly in order to get better deals on trades and making them dependant of the stuff.

[F L E S H]

I gave an example of AVOIDING violence by defusing a potential altercation, and you don't approve.

I do not know what racial, financial, social, ethnic background or region you originally come from but you despise Western civilization, both the bad AND good. I submit that you are denying your own background due to self-hatred, resentment, and the whole Vietnam War protest era. You are a man with many unresolved issues. A non-Indian can imitate the Native Americans but can not, and never will be able to, be one of them - unless he was born and raised among them.

If you think that the Native Americans were, or are, perfect, you are mistaken. There are admirable, and despicable, things about them just like everyone else that is human.

If you look at it objectively, all humans were "Noble Savages" at one time, and most changed â?? sometimes for the better. The Native Americans HAD to change, sooner or later, because it is human nature. Otherwise, theyâ??ve had died out, with our without the help of others. Hopefully, some of the â??Nobleâ?� parts will remain with their culture, and be reintroduced to other groups â?? particularly with regards to respect and upkeep for our planet.

I have been subjected to discrimination, affirmative action injustices, illnesses, unemployment, problems with my own race (including family and friends), and things that are too lengthy and morbid to even write about. I don't drink myself into a stupor, and certainly would not start under any circumstances. The chronic alcohol problem that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society.
Whoa... I agreed with what you were saying until you said "that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society." And who do you think GAVE alcohol to the Natives? While it's true that Native American history and culture is still viewed through the 19th century concept of the Noble Savage, you still can't deny the fact that early traders used alcohol knowingly in order to get better deals on trades and making the Natives dependant of the stuff.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Whoa... I agreed with what you were saying until you said "that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society." And who do you think GAVE alcohol to the Natives? While it's true that Native American history and culture is still viewed through the 19th century concept of the Noble Savage, you still can't deny the fact that early traders used alcohol knowingly in order to get better deals on trades and making the Natives dependant of the stuff.

Well, I'm glad at least SOMEBODY agrees with me about this!

I know that some whites gave some Indians alcohol, which affected them badly. I was talking about today. They have a very bad problem, and the situation is different - which I am sure you acknowledge.

[hempity]

I gave an example of AVOIDING violence by defusing a potential altercation, and you don't approve.

I do not know what racial, financial, social, ethnic background or region you originally come from but you despise Western civilization, both the bad AND good. I submit that you are denying your own background due to self-hatred, resentment, and the whole Vietnam War protest era. You are a man with many unresolved issues. A non-Indian can imitate the Native Americans but can not, and never will be able to, be one of them - unless he was born and raised among them.

If you think that the Native Americans were, or are, perfect, you are mistaken. There are admirable, and despicable, things about them just like everyone else that is human.

If you look at it objectively, all humans were "Noble Savages" at one time, and most changed â?? sometimes for the better. The Native Americans HAD to change, sooner or later, because it is human nature. Otherwise, theyâ??ve had died out, with our without the help of others. Hopefully, some of the â??Nobleâ?� parts will remain with their culture, and be reintroduced to other groups â?? particularly with regards to respect and upkeep for our planet.

I have been subjected to discrimination, affirmative action injustices, illnesses, unemployment, problems with my own race (including family and friends), and things that are too lengthy and morbid to even write about. I don't drink myself into a stupor, and certainly would not start under any circumstances. The chronic alcohol problem that many Native Americans have is far more responsible for their situations than those caused by American society.

my mothers mother was haudenosaunee, my father and his father were doukhorbor (spirit wrestler) (freedomite, son of freedom) i am the son of a son of freedom and wrestle with the spirit daily.
i believe as with any children the natives were innocent until the washitsu came and raped their innocence
what horseshit, the natives used and lived on this earth for thousands of years, they know how to care for it even now, you guys just have to stop fucking raping it and give it back.
poor washitsu , your fathers brought the whiskey to the native so he would give them the land, now you have the land and are destroying it, stop, the natives will stop drinking and become the braves they really are.

[F L E S H]

Sorry another mistake... I'm wierd today :(

[Breukelen advocaat]

poor washitsu , your fathers brought the whiskey to the native so he would give them the land, now you have the land and are destroying it, stop, the natives will stop drinking and become the braves they really are.

My â??Fathersâ?� did not give, or sell, alcohol to the Native Americans. It was illegal in New England. My 8th great grandfather was Isaac Chase (1660-1727), a Quaker who owned the first tavern in Marthaâ??s Vineyard. The law was spelled out very clearly, dated March 26. 1677-8, â??Isaack Chase of Holmses hole is admitted to keep a publike house of Entertainment & to sell liquor &c by Retail except to the Indians and this to continue for two years at ten shillings per annum.â?�
http://history.vineyard.net/banks2d.htm
http://history.vineyard.net/banks2b.htm

Another ancestor of mine owned a Tavern in colonial Nantucket. His name was Tristram Coffin (1605-1681), and he and his wife Dionis Stevens Coffin (1610 â?? 1690), were my 10th great grandparents. Dionis was in charge of brewing the beer, and she was summoned to appear in court in 1653 - not for selling liquor to the Indians, but for charging more than the law allowed for beer. The reason the beer cost more was because it was brewed stronger than average:

1653, Sep: Summoned before the magistrate for selling beer at her ordinary for 3 pence in violation of a law passed by the General Court in 1645, which yearly sets the price at 2 pence. She testified that she charged more because she made a heavier brew, making it with 6 bushels of malt to each hogshead instead of 4 bushels as the law stipulated, and that the General Court had allowed for that 2 years before. Samuel Moore testified in her behalf and the case was dismissed. Goodwife COFFIN is said to have remarked, "I'll have better beer than my neighbors and be paid for it. A fig for the law."

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Free the Springfield Two, Marge!

Free the Springfield Two!!!

-Homer Simpson
Tits have caused more chaos than terrorism can shake a stick at.

:eek:


And women can hide ANYTHING in there!

:p






But if libertarian A'dam can turn fascist,

then some fascist places can turn libertarian....

;)

[hempity]

My â??Fathersâ?� did not give, or sell, alcohol to the Native Americans. It was illegal in New England. My 8th great grandfather was Isaac Chase (1660-1727), a Quaker who owned the first tavern in Marthaâ??s Vineyard. The law was spelled out very clearly, dated March 26. 1677-8, â??Isaack Chase of Holmses hole is admitted to keep a publike house of Entertainment & to sell liquor &c by Retail except to the Indians and this to continue for two years at ten shillings per annum.â?�
http://history.vineyard.net/banks2d.htm
http://history.vineyard.net/banks2b.htm

Another ancestor of mine owned a Tavern in colonial Nantucket. His name was Tristram Coffin (1605-1681), and he and his wife Dionis Stevens Coffin (1610 â?? 1690), were my 10th great grandparents. Dionis was in charge of brewing the beer, and she was summoned to appear in court in 1653 - not for selling liquor to the Indians, but for charging more than the law allowed for beer. The reason the beer cost more was because it was brewed stronger than average:

1653, Sep: Summoned before the magistrate for selling beer at her ordinary for 3 pence in violation of a law passed by the General Court in 1645, which yearly sets the price at 2 pence. She testified that she charged more because she made a heavier brew, making it with 6 bushels of malt to each hogshead instead of 4 bushels as the law stipulated, and that the General Court had allowed for that 2 years before. Samuel Moore testified in her behalf and the case was dismissed. Goodwife COFFIN is said to have remarked, "I'll have better beer than my neighbors and be paid for it. A fig for the law."

so sad, you think that because your family only enjoyed the fruits of the land rape, that you bare no responsibility for it,
what toad shit.
listen washitsu, you and all your brethren are responsible for the rape and desecration of countless natives and their lands. now you rape and pillage more natives across the water for your ignorance and greed, you now slaughter babies for oil.

[nicholasstanko]

he has a point, breukelen...


you and your family may have never actually killed or raped any natives directly...but what have you done to stop it?

[Edgar]

Why should any1 be held accountable for what their ancestors have done? We all have skeletons in our ancestral closets. IMO, what really matters is what we do now... With that said, I do hate that this country was built on the graves of the braves (just a little playful slang for native americans, please don't take offense) that originally occupied it. Our forefathers had no right to kill, cheat and evict the native americans that lived here.

[Edgar]

err, well, it wasn't my forefathers, but I'm sure my ancestry has its own problems.

[hempity]

most folk won't even acknowledge that it was even done, they say shit like it was bound to happen anyway. it is the same now in Iraq, they are only poor natives after all.
the government will have all you guys stripped naked, implanted with chips (for you own good) and your heads stuffed in a helmet before much longer anyway. so i guess it is a moot point for you to do anything about anything anyway.

[Psycho4Bud]

he has a point, breukelen...


you and your family may have never actually killed or raped any natives directly...but what have you done to stop it?

I make a contribution every time I go to the casino! :D

[Breukelen advocaat]

he has a point, breukelen...
you and your family may have never actually killed or raped any natives directly...but what have you done to stop it?
I haven't done anything to stop it, it was hundreds of years ago!

My ancestors had a very good relationship with the Natives. They built schools for them, and gave them many other things. http://history.vineyard.net/hfnorton/history.htm Look for the name â??Mayhewâ?�.

My 10th great grandfather was Thomas Mayhew, Sr. (b. England 1593), and his son Thomas Jr. (1620-1657) AKA â??Friend to the Indiansâ?�, was my 9th g grandfather. Here is a little about them, and their dealings with the Native Americans. I do not happen to be religious, but at least these people were kind and fair with the Natives. You can easily do a google search of the Mayhew family of Nantucket and find plenty of information â?? their dealings with the Native Americans made for a very advantageous, mutually beneficial, and peaceful relationship between the whites and Indians (several tribes) on Marthaâ??s Vineyard and Nantucket. Thomas Mayhew Jr. died at sea, whilst traveling to England for the purpose of bringing back more materials and teachers. I donâ??t like most â??missionariesâ?�, or religion, but these people were cut from a different cloth â?? and Iâ??m proud to have them in my family tree. They were truly "ahead of their time".

http://www.pptkids.org/index-20050805.php
â??A man named Thomas Mayhew bought the islands from the British in 1641 and later that year he sent his son, Thomas, Jr. to check out the new purchase. The next year, Thomas, Sr. came to Martha's Vineyard, settling in Edgartown and bringing with him many tools and animals to begin making a life and a community there. He also brought something else that was important--people!
Before long, Thomas Mayhew, Sr. was made the official governor of the area, under the British crown. The Mayhews were a Puritan family who were utterly devoted to Jesus Christ and serving Him in every way that they could. Along with responsibility for the well-being and governance of the island, they had a great burden for the spiritual well being of its people--all of its people
As the Mayhews began meeting and trading with the Wampanoags, they made friends with them. Young Thomas Mayhew, Jr. was the first missionary to the Indians, teaching them about God's love as well as sharing the Bible with them. At first, Thomas preached in English. In time, he realized that he should learn their language so that the stories of the Bible would have the greatest impact when the Wampanoags heard them. So, just as he had learned Greek and Hebrew at Oxford University, Thomas, Jr. now tackled the Algonquian language of the Wampanoags. He found that many more people would listen to him if he spoke in their own language. Soon he was preaching to them regularly at many of their favorite sites around the island--the great interior ponds and the cliffs of Gay Head/Aquinnah. Many came to understand the Bible and God's love for them.
Thomas' ministry was truly unique among the missionaries of his day. Many English men and women were concerned for the spiritual lives of the natives they found when they settled, and shared the Good News of God's love with them. But some required them to become like Englishmen when they accepted the English faith in God. They made them wear English clothing, live in English-style housing and adopt English manners.
Today's missionaries know that it is not necessary for people to change their culture just to love and receive God. But in Thomas Mayhew's day, many didn't believe that--except for Thomas! His approach to the Indians was remarkable. He did not require that the Indians change their habits, but rather showed respect for their customs, only asking that they not observe certain customs when the customs directly conflicted with the Bible. As a result, he quickly earned their respect, and has been remembered in history as a gracious and compassionate missionary who always treated the Indians fairly.
As a result of Thomas' kind treatment of the Wampanoags, the people of Martha's Vineyard did not experience the horrible tragedy that many other New England towns did during the Indian Wars. They experienced unity and peace and at times the white people were protected by the faithful Wampanoagsâ?�

[Edgar]

Edgartown! :eek: :D

[andruejaysin]

I support this, and would go far farther. Did we accept German or Japanese tourists during world war 2? Of course fucking not!!!!! Yet we accept arabs into this country today. We love to bomb third world countries, but the simple concept of NO FUCKING ARABS is beyond us.

[pisshead]

i'm more concerned about military industrial complex/establishment bureaucrats in expensive suits with electronic voting machines on their sides and self appointed government 'officials' and 'lords' and 'kings' and 'gods' who gain from the 'terrorism' than i am about arabs...

[Breukelen advocaat]

Edgartown! :eek: :D
Yup!
A lot of my ancestors were from Edgartown.

"Martha's Vineyard, with Chappaquiddick, No-Man's-Land, and the Elizabeth Islands comprise the County of Dukes County, which was incorporated November 1, 1668. The county was named for the Duke of York by the first governor, Thomas Mayhew, who was hoping thereby to gain royal favor. There are six towns on Martha's Vineyard. Edgartown on the east, named for Edgar, son of James II, who bore the title of Duke of Cambridge....."

[Breukelen advocaat]

so sad, you think that because your family only enjoyed the fruits of the land rape, that you bare no responsibility for it,
what toad shit.listen washitsu, you and all your brethren are responsible for the rape and desecration of countless natives and their lands. now you rape and pillage more natives across the water for your ignorance and greed, you now slaughter babies for oil.

Wrong!
If you ever visit upstate New York, where a number of my ancestors (and many others) settled in the Catskills (18th and 19th century), you will see land that is almost the same as it was a thousand years ago - I visited the farm of my 4th great grandfather, in Greene County, New York, where he settled in 1806, and the land was still fertile, and producing apples and other fruits. They brought seedlings from way upstate in Albany County, and worked to make it BETTER than it was, and it still is beautiful, and fertile 200 years later. Sure, you will find some industrial pollution in the region, like everywhere else, but the Catskills are still stunning and rival anyplace for scenic and pristine land. I may very well move there some day, or someplace similar, after retirement from my NYC job.

You are pointing the finger of blame at everyone different from yourself, and you are very wrong. Your ignorance is not becoming to a man of your age. If you want to lump everybody together, then you are nothing more than a bigot â?? and reasonable folks will not listen to your ravings.

[hempity]

Wrong!
If you ever visit upstate New York, where a number of my ancestors (and many others) settled in the Catskills (18th and 19th century), you will see land that is almost the same as it was a thousand years ago - I visited the farm of my 4th great grandfather, in Greene County, New York, where he settled in 1806, and the land was still fertile, and producing apples and other fruits. They brought seedlings from way upstate in Albany County, and worked to make it BETTER than it was, and it still is beautiful, and fertile 200 years later. Sure, you will find some industrial pollution in the region, like everywhere else, but the Catskills are still stunning and rival anyplace for scenic and pristine land. I may very well move there some day, or someplace similar, after retirement from my NYC job.

You are pointing the finger of blame at everyone different from yourself, and you are very wrong. Your ignorance is not becoming to a man of your age. If you want to lump everybody together, then you are nothing more than a bigot â?? and reasonable folks will not listen to your ravings.



you are out of your fucking mind, i have been all over upstate ny it is logged and trashed, you probley think those little pecker poles are 1,000 year old trees. you have destroyed all of the deciduous forest on the east coast. albany is a pit, same with binghamton and the catskills are a tourist trap. fuckin city boy!! washitsu means fat taker, which is what all of you are. you rape off all the fat then try to convince us nothing happened, we hear the screams.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I guess these photographs are all phony:

Click on â??Galleryâ?�, then the thumbnails:
http://www.francisxdriscoll.com/

http://www.catskillcenter.org/gallery/photo210.html

Iâ??m no photographer, but when I have time Iâ??ll put some of my own photos on here â?? even without any artistic talent, I was able to capture the scenic beauty of Greene and Ulster Counties, and that's not even the tip of the iceberg in the enormous Hudson Valley of New York State.

[F L E S H]

You can't blame people alive today for what their ancestors did. It's ridiculous, and it leads absolutely nowhere. Even if I apologized, big whoop, is that gonna change anything? And where do you draw the line? I'm Italian, so do I have to apologize to Africans for WW2? Do I have to apologize to Muslims for the Crusades? Do I have to apologize to Tunisians be cause my ancestors destroyed Carthage 2,000 years ago? It makes no sense, and it's a waste of everyone's time.

Instead, we should focus on cleaning up today's problems, and avoiding future ones. That's why I come back to my conclusion, ALL RELIGIONS MUST DIE. Then, the world will be at peace :)

[hempity]

I guess these photographs are all phony:

Click on â??Galleryâ?�, then the thumbnails:
http://www.francisxdriscoll.com/

http://www.catskillcenter.org/gallery/photo210.html

Iâ??m no photographer, but when I have time Iâ??ll put some of my own photos on here â?? even without any artistic talent, I was able to capture the scenic beauty of Greene and Ulster Counties, and that's not even the tip of the iceberg in the enormous Hudson Valley of New York State.



listen close washitsu, this is raped earth that you show me, i am one of the last people on earth to have seen virgin timber unless it is above the tree line. i know you think that your little photos show me up and that your people have done nothing to the earth. you are full of shit. the beauty of the land that was, so far exceeds what is there now, it would stagger even your dull mind. when you walk in virgin timber you make no sound, all of the ground is covered by soft moss, there is no clogging underbrush you can see forever, the sun streams thru in rays and gives the whole forest a soft glow. the amount of animals is phenomenal, even your great yellowstone is a fraction of what was.

[hempity]

You can't blame people alive today for what their ancestors did. It's ridiculous, and it leads absolutely nowhere. Even if I apologized, big whoop, is that gonna change anything? And where do you draw the line? I'm Italian, so do I have to apologize to Africans for WW2? Do I have to apologize to Muslims for the Crusades? Do I have to apologize to Tunisians be cause my ancestors destroyed Carthage 2,000 years ago? It makes no sense, and it's a waste of everyone's time.

Instead, we should focus on cleaning up today's problems, and avoiding future ones. That's why I come back to my conclusion, ALL RELIGIONS MUST DIE. Then, the world will be at peace :)


yes i can, the ones that will not even acknowledge what was done, to tell me "we made it better" is an affront to every native on this continent. no one is asking for apologies only recognition of the act and the agreement to stop doing it. as we speak natives in many other countries are being raped and killed by the glorious troops of the united snakes, stop it!

[Breukelen advocaat]

listen close washitsu, this is raped earth that you show me, i am one of the last people on earth.....

washitsu?????
I think you're getting a little confused here.
I am neither Japanese, nor a general (not that there's anything WRONG with Japanese Generals):
http://www.generals.dk/general/Washitsu/Kohei/Japan.html

Washitsu
Kohei, Lieutenant-General

1927 - 1938Commandant of the Infantry School
1938 - 1940General Officer Commanding 21st Division
1940 - 1941General Officer Commanding 4th Army

[hempity]

washitsu?????
I think you're getting a little confused here.
I am neither Japanese, nor a general (not that there's anything WRONG with Japanese Generals):
http://www.generals.dk/general/Washitsu/Kohei/Japan.html

Washitsu
Kohei, Lieutenant-General

1927 - 1938Commandant of the Infantry School
1938 - 1940General Officer Commanding 21st Division
1940 - 1941General Officer Commanding 4th Army

the people had never seen a white man, only heard about them and what they were doing to the mother earth. one day as the people went about their chores, a scratched skinny half naked white man stumbled in to winter camp, he could not speak, seeing the deer skinned and hanging for winter food, he rushed to it and pulled all the fat off of it and shoved it in his mouth, his body was starved for it. from that day to this, white men have been called "fat takers" washitsu. and you are a typical one, to discount all that i say, to call attention to a single word, you have almost convinced me you are not worth talking to, as your ancestors convinced mine with their broken treaties and lies. to this day you washitsu have kept not one treaty. liars

[Breukelen advocaat]

Hey, I'm just a wage slave like most everybody else. I didn't sign any treaties, and don't plan to. If you want to be a bigot, there's probably nothing anybody can say or do for you that will change your outlook. The rainforests should be the topic being discussed here, because they are being ravaged as we speak, and the earth's creatures cannot survive without them.

Peace and Good Night.

[hempity]

Hey, I'm just a wage slave like most everybody else. I didn't sign any treaties, and don't plan to. If you want to be a bigot, there's probably nothing anybody can say or do for you that will change your outlook. The rainforests should be the topic being discussed here, because they are being ravaged as we speak, and the earth's creatures cannot survive without them.

Peace and Good Night.

fuckin' moron

[F L E S H]

yes i can, the ones that will not even acknowledge what was done, to tell me "we made it better" is an affront to every native on this continent. no one is asking for apologies only recognition of the act and the agreement to stop doing it. as we speak natives in many other countries are being raped and killed by the glorious troops of the united snakes, stop it!
Well, you have a point. The governments of Canada and the US have never really even acknowledged that harm was done some years ago.

I still think it's not fair to blame contemporaries for ancient ills, however it's important to acknowledge that bad shit did indeed happen.

[Psycho4Bud]

Why sure, lets go back in time and condemn those with ancestors that have done wrong. Fucking Norwegians and their Viking ancestors, Germans, Romans, etc.......

Some people would rather sit back and say "oh woe is me" instead of getting off their lazy asses, put on their nice shiny Adidas shoes and get on with life. Your ancestors may have suffered but you only create your own sufferage today!

[hempity]

Well, you have a point. The governments of Canada and the US have never really even acknowledged that harm was done some years ago.

I still think it's not fair to blame contemporaries for ancient ills, however it's important to acknowledge that bad shit did indeed happen.


ho,
great harm is still being done, Iraq's barefoot natives are being raped as we speak, their land is being put in the pocket of big business.
i don't blame anyone, we are all stupid at the appropriate times, it only needs to be acknowledged so it can stop happening.

[Mojavpa]

Well, you have a point. The governments of Canada and the US have never really even acknowledged that harm was done some years ago.

I still think it's not fair to blame contemporaries for ancient ills, however it's important to acknowledge that bad shit did indeed happen.

As for African Americans and other minorities, great harm was still being done to them until just about 45 years ago. The civil rights movement didnt happen that long ago, and many of those government officials who hosed down peaceful protesters are still alive. So, yes, I'm blaming some of my contemporaries for enforcing "separate but equal" laws not too long ago.

[amsterdam]

As for African Americans and other minorities, great harm was still being done to them until just about 45 years ago. The civil rights movement didnt happen that long ago, and many of those government officials who hosed down peaceful protesters are still alive. So, yes, I'm blaming some of my contemporaries for enforcing "separate but equal" laws not too long ago.


you got that right!!! There is a former klansman elected to the senate by the democratic party.