newb's 1st try...

[Rekap]

well this is my first attempt so any helpfull comments would be great.

heres my set up after 10days...

3x60watt flo. on 18/6 cycle.<closet>

transplanting in a about a week in 5 gal., i was thinking of putting her a bit deeper seeing how her main stem is so long...crappy camera phone pics, sorry.

[meloncoly]

get the light much closer, it's stretching a lot, flos don't have much heat

[RastaKaze]

and if you look at the ballast.. they are really 14w.. twisty tie all three of them together and hang em' 1 inch off the top of her if you want to see ANY growth with your current setup

[budman2000]

Screw the fluros man, if thats the only one you haveyou should get a 400 watt Metal Halide kit. Itll cost a lil extra but you will get 3x's as much as you will with thew lights you have now. And your shit will be much more potent. Good luck!!!

[Rekap]

oh and i forgot to mention that she was in a window seal for the first 6days, would that casue the stretching? where can i get a 400watt metal halide kit budman? THANKS for the input.

[budman2000]

The window not a good idea unless it is direct, and from ur pick it doesnt look direct. Anyways you can get a refurnished 400 watter online for under 300 bucks and from personal experiance that is the way to go.Good luck!!!

[KenoSmoker]

get the lights closer and youll be ok for a while bro.

[Rekap]

yeah, i dont bother putting it in the window anymore. lights will be moved closer ASAP. is it a good idea to burry the stem a bit so theres not so much length after i transplant? i tied it to a stick to be sure she wouldnt fall over from the fan...

THANKS AGAIN.

[Garden Knowm]

nice work, rekap.,,, looks like a f-ing doctors office... LOL..

There are these lights a Home depot.. 5-15 dollars depending if the sale is on... they are 150 watt cfls.. easy cheap and great for first time growers.. there was this diety who used to run in these parts and he used them very very well.. his name was hard on...

then there is BobBong meat guy... he also used CFLS very very well.. now budman is right.. but it is a bit costly and that MH light is a beast.. it can wake your neighbors up if you don't know what your doing... and it creates shit loads of heat... blha blah blah.. anyway.. it is just for people who are in love with growing or Obsesive compulsive,,, budman is both..


i love you

and here is a picture especially for you!!!!!!!!!!!!

[budman2000]

:) Im not sure wether to be offended or say thank you.......Ima "glass is half full" kinda guy so Ill say thank you garden knowm. I am in love with growing though!!! :)

[Rekap]

2weeks old now...finally starting to see some real growth :p
i moved my lights in as close as i could, and im transplanting a week from friday.

[High grade stoner]

Lookin good

[KenoSmoker]

that is much better. keep up the good work

[mand]

Hello Rekap :) That looks much better ;)
The diference between the pics is really plain to see.

I think it's going to be a good first grow, my very first never even germinated :o


good luck, love mand xxx :)

[RastaKaze]

much better :) do you have a fan blowing on her? her stem should be like a crayola crayon at two weeks.. if you don't look into a small desk or clip on fan at your drugstore she will thank you for it

Peace :D

[Rekap]

much better :) do you have a fan blowing on her? her stem should be like a crayola crayon at two weeks.. if you don't look into a small desk or clip on fan at your drugstore she will thank you for it

Peace :D

i've got a fan in the closet, but it is not pointed directly at her, should it be?
:confused:

[9ski9]

Knowms pic is a perfect example of using multiple CFL's on one plant. Of course, there would then be issues of lost light...

Should I?

Fuck.

Maybe some white marble chips or crushed white stones that are non-absorbant on top of the soil. It will help reflect some of the light lost into the dark soil. First, though, you can bring the soil level up a bit. That'll make her more sturdy. And yes, point a fan on her enough to get her to gently flutter. The movement will make her grow a stronger main stem. You should not have to support a seedling.

Do your cups have drainage holes? Plastic cups gather moisture in the bottom and will rot your roots. Make sure when repotting to use some crushed stones, pottery, or best of all, the tan lava rock, which will hold some moisture and your roots will grow right into them.

I'd also suggest wrapping your pots in tin foil, with the dull side out.

No nutes, yet. But look for a tiny bottle of SuperThrive in your local garden store. A drop or two per gallon of water is big help. It's vitamins for your roots. Costs $4.

I'd also suggest using luke warm bottled water with a PH around 6.8. All the water I've been buying has been in that general range. I test it with an aquarium test kit. Just add a drop to a sample of water and it turns a ceratin color that matches up to a chart. Costs $4.

Young plants do like nitrogen. When she's a bit older, you may consider getting some bat guano. Just Google it. You'll be looking for something along the lines of an 11-1-1 mix. Nitrogen is that first number.

More pics, though. Let us see your grow area...

Hope this helps.

And always remember: Knowm loves you.

[RastaKaze]

Knowms pic is a perfect example of using multiple CFL's on one plant. Of course, there would then be issues of lost light...

Should I?

Fuck.

Maybe some white marble chips or crushed white stones that are non-absorbant on top of the soil. It will help reflect some of the light lost into the dark soil. First, though, you can bring the soil level up a bit. That'll make her more sturdy. And yes, point a fan on her enough to get her to gently flutter. The movement will make her grow a stronger main stem. You should not have to support a seedling.

Do your cups have drainage holes? Plastic cups gather moisture in the bottom and will rot your roots. Make sure when repotting to use some crushed stones, pottery, or best of all, the tan lava rock, which will hold some moisture and your roots will grow right into them.

I'd also suggest wrapping your pots in tin foil, with the dull side out.

No nutes, yet. But look for a tiny bottle of SuperThrive in your local garden store. A drop or two per gallon of water is big help. It's vitamins for your roots. Costs $4.

I'd also suggest using luke warm bottled water with a PH around 6.8. All the water I've been buying has been in that general range. I test it with an aquarium test kit. Just add a drop to a sample of water and it turns a ceratin color that matches up to a chart. Costs $4.

Young plants do like nitrogen. When she's a bit older, you may consider getting some bat guano. Just Google it. You'll be looking for something along the lines of an 11-1-1 mix. Nitrogen is that first number.

More pics, though. Let us see your grow area...

Hope this helps.

And always remember: Knowm loves you.

Listen to 9skis... He's covered everything. For the time being :D

Peace

[Rekap]

wow, thanks a lot 9skis. i figured i was doing something wrong seeing that the main stem is not getting any thicker. ill get a new pic up tomorrow night(with an actual digital camera)lol. i however did buy a sack of white rocks to put on top after i transplant, where you saying to put some "red lava rock" along the bottom? the temp home has a bottomless opening for watering from the bottom, i usually water from both directions. and ive added about 15 drops of mir-grow into a liter of bottled water. and i also mist the youngin from time to time...my thank you's for the advice!

[RastaKaze]

wow, thanks a lot 9skis. i figured i was doing something wrong seeing that the main stem is not getting any thicker. ill get a new pic up tomorrow night(with an actual digital camera)lol. i however did buy a sack of white rocks to put on top after i transplant, where you saying to put some "red lava rock" along the bottom? the temp home has a bottomless opening for watering from the bottom, i usually water from both directions. and ive added about 15 drops of mir-grow into a liter of bottled water. and i also mist the youngin from time to time...my thank you's for the advice!

HOLY SHIT!!! 15 drops to a liter ??? I'm surprised she's still alive... Chill for a while with normal water then go get some superthrive as 9skis said and begin watering her with 3 drops to the GALLON. Also go ahead and add some white rock chips now, it will help majorly with your light situation.. and as far as the lava rock goes, yes it's ideal, but if you can't find it dont sweat it. What you want to do is get the bottom of the pot filled with some type of rock or gravel to improve drainage nd soil airation. Roots need oxygen to grow. and hurl that MG out the window as it's the devil of marijuana cultivation :)

Peace

[Rekap]

HOLY SHIT!!! 15 drops to a liter ??? I'm surprised she's still alive... Chill for a while with normal water then go get some superthrive as 9skis said and begin watering her with 3 drops to the GALLON. Also go ahead and add some white rock chips now, it will help majorly with your light situation.. and as far as the lava rock goes, yes it's ideal, but if you can't find it dont sweat it. What you want to do is get the bottom of the pot filled with some type of rock or gravel to improve drainage nd soil airation. Roots need oxygen to grow. and hurl that MG out the window as it's the devil of marijuana cultivation :)

Peace

holy shit i feel like such a fool(NEWB)! well on the back of the miri-grow, its what it recomended. i know where i can get some lava rock, but i went to lowes and asked around for superthrive and they looked me like i was talking jibersih :mad: where can i find some? thanks for the quick reply!

[RastaKaze]

Just a good rule of thumb is that MJ plants can handle 1/4 strengh of what most ferts reccomend.. As for the superthrive I'm pretty sure they don't have it in the states.. at least not by that name. I have family in canada ship me the stuff... It's usually at most online grow shops Insidesun.com is a good source it'd probably cost you about $10 with shipping and all but seing as you can't find it anywhere it's really you're only option. I myself do not notice much difference in the growth rate of a seedling treated with a superthrive solution, so you could just keep giving her normal water until you re-pot with ferts.

[9ski9]

SuperThrive is available in the US at most garden centers. It's in each of the four little shops nearest me here in the northeast US. Or you can find it online. Just do a Google search. It's for all plants, not just MJ, so it's safe to have delivered to your grow address. It often comes in a tiny brown bottle with goofy 1950's graphics on the packaging. While looking, you can also buy your ferts for later in flowering at the same store: Schultz Cactus Juice 1-7-6. This is just my recommendation from my experience. It's my sole fert for my flowering stage.

Don't even think about nutes for a few weeks. When you repot, most people recommend NOT using Miracle Grow soil. It's full of time release ferts. I use Pro Mix, which is filled with good organic stuff. A safe bet is to pick a fairly expensive (you know, like $7 instead of $4) bag of potting soil. With Pro Mix, I don't need to think about ferts until the third week of life.

And people also stay away from Miracle Grow ferts because they are just not good for MJ, in their opinion. A young plant needs the high nitrogen and will flourish with organic ferts like bat guano. AKA bat shit. It sounds exotic, but you can buy it online everywhere. I buy it on eBay. Just type in bat guano and look for 11-1-1, or 10-2-1, or anything very close. A 1lb bag is fine. Basically, just take a tablespoon and drop it into a two litre bottle and let it stand for a bit. That's bat guano tea. Just pour it on. It's a safe fert, as well. Hard to screw up and burn with organics, in my experience. Your plants will green up like a lightning storm just went through.

The lava rock goes at the bottom of the new pot. Not a huge deal, but it has been shown to be successful.

And misting is great. They love it. It's a nice time spent being hands on with your plants.

They'll also need a name. It's actually mandatory that on this board to get any advise, plants must have names. OR WE'LL NAME THEM MALE NAMES! 8*)

How long do you plan to veg before flower? And will you be buying an HPS light? CFL's will get you a little bud...spending $150 or so will get you ounces of bud. But if you are keeping it basic for this go round and odds are just so-so for females anyway, I don't think you'll be shot for not going with HPS or MH right now...I recommend it, but it's your call...

[9ski9]

Oh, and, Rekap, if you want to wade through a grow thread where a really top shelf grower gives great hands-on advise, check this:

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=26100

There are amazing simliarities to what you've started. It's my grow that's now 39 days into flowering after 46 days of veg. It was a bummer because my #1 plant turned out male, but five others have lived on.

In the immortal words of a dearly departed:

Happy reading!

[Rekap]

9ski9, all i can really say is wow. i cant thank you enough for taking time to help me out with my grow. oh my baby does have a name, its Bonita :P and as for flowering, i was planning on waiting about 30 to 40 days from germination, and i plan on getting some HPS's probably 400watt, but im not sure how many ill need. and this is all if she turns out a "she" (fingers crossed).

Rekaper-

[Rekap]

9ski9, all i can really say is wow. i cant thank you enough for taking time to help me out with my grow. oh my baby does have a name, its Bonita :P and as for flowering, i was planning on waiting about 30 to 40 days from germination, and i plan on getting some HPS's probably 400watt, but im not sure how many ill need. and this is all if she turns out a "she" (fingers crossed).

Rekaper-

oh i forgot to mention something 9ski9, now that HD is gone im going to be coming to you for info. after looking around and reading your grow thread :eek: :D

[latewood]

walmart sells superthrive in the garden center right by the orchid and cactus ferts
you need a light fan always on your plant...transplanting should not be done on a pre-chosen date, but whenever the plant is ready, and your plant is not ready...get some meat on 'er bones and you need 4-5 nodes/tiers of leaves before you even consider any nutes or replanting...

[9ski9]

oh i forgot to mention something 9ski9, now that HD is gone im going to be coming to you for info. after looking around and reading your grow thread :eek: :D

One 400w HPS is MORE than enough for one plant. Bonita will love it.


And I'm happy to help when I can, but I'm about still pretty much a newbie myself. This is a great forum for taking a couple of viewpoints and then choosing the direction you want to go. But most people seem to agree on what to do in the early stages.

With one plant, though, you want to keep Bonita's environment as stress free as possible. It's believed that stressing a plant can be a major factor in turning 'her' into a him or hermie. You're starting with a 50/50 shot at a female. Some people believe you can get those odds up to 60/40 or better and also believe that you can almost guarantee a male with some major screw ups.

When you repot, I'd also recommend using Schultz Rooting Hormone. It comes in a small container, also from your garden center, and just a few bucks. You sprinkle the white powder in the open hole that you are about to set the plant root ball into. Also coat the actual root ball.

[9ski9]

One other quick thing: I'd lose the reflector on that middle CFL. The hooded reflectors will build up heat. If it's built-in to the ballast and can't be removed, just back it off and bring the others in the closest. I actually used tin snips and cut away one reflector that was built in.

You want to keep temps right around 78 degrees F.

[budman2000]

Dude, i would just get a 25 gal tub at Wal-Mart and transplant into it. Get a 400 watt Metal Halide and the HPS. You should use the HPS for flower and the Metal Halide for veg. Your results will look something like this....

[Rekap]

Dude, i would just get a 25 gal tub at Wal-Mart and transplant into it. Get a 400 watt Metal Halide and the HPS. You should use the HPS for flower and the Metal Halide for veg. Your results will look something like this....

excuse my ignorance, but what is a Halid
:confused:

[KenoSmoker]

keep us updated on the growth of your baby

[9ski9]

From Hydroponics.com:

Metal halide lights were created to provide a spectrum as close as possible to that of the natural sunlight. This coupled with their intensity and energy efficiency, makes them ideal for indoor gardening. The bulbs range in size from 100 watt to 1000 watt with 400 watt and 1000 watt most popular.

An abundance of blue light emitted by metal halide makes them the best light for propagation and vegetative growth, promoting short internodal length High Pressure Sodium lights do not emit as broad a spectrum as Metal Halides lights, but have many advantages, especially when used in conjunction with halide. Sodiums last longer, and burn brighter, but are still more energy efficient.


More yellow/red colour in the spectrum and less blue promotes a higher flower-to-leaf ratio in flowering plants. H.P.S. lights are widely used in commercial greenhouses, where natural sunlight provides sufficient blue. A combination of the two lights provides the best balanced for indoor growroom, especially when used with a light mover. 430 Watt Son Agro H.P.S. bulbs which supply 30 extra watts than regular ones are now available. This extra light in the blue end of the spectrum is great news for indoor growers. If you are planing a "single lamp" growroom, you can still get the benefits of both halide and sodium light. High pressure sodium "conversion bulbs", specially made to operate with M.H. ballasts, are available in 400 watt and 1000 watt models. The bulbs can easily be interchanged as needed, using the same ballast and fixture. The size of the light you will need will depend on the size of the growing area, and the type of plants you wish to grow.


High-light plants such as herbs and vegetables will require between 20 and 60 watts of light per square foot of growing space. A 400 watt metal halide in a three foot by three foot area will provide 45 watts per square foot, compared to 25 watts per square foot in five foot by five foot growroom. A 1000 watt metal halide in a five foot by five foot area will provide 40 watts per sq.ft., compared to 20 watts per square foot in a seven by seven foot growroom.

[9ski9]

Many growers veg entirely with CFL's because they are cool and you can get them within an inch of the plant top. The idea is to have a short, sturdy main stem; the less stretching the better. MH lights are relatively hot and you have to take great care to keep a steady air flow over the bulb and plant canopy, especially with young plants.

I'm currently mixing a 400w HPS, 250w MH, and several CFL's during flowering. I vegged entirely with CFL's, but I'll probably add MH for my next veg.

25 gallon tub? Wouldn't that fuck up his doctor's office look? :rolleyes:

[Rekap]

Many growers veg entirely with CFL's because they are cool and you can get them within an inch of the plant top. The idea is to have a short, sturdy main stem; the less stretching the better. MH lights are relatively hot and you have to take great care to keep a steady air flow over the bulb and plant canopy, especially with young plants.

I'm currently mixing a 400w HPS, 250w MH, and several CFL's during flowering. I vegged entirely with CFL's, but I'll probably add MH for my next veg.

25 gallon tub? Wouldn't that fuck up his doctor's office look? :rolleyes:
doctors office, lol. its just an empty closet that painted white...well, yeah i guess you are right :p

as for lighting i think im going to just stick with the flor. and get a 400w hps for flowering. im also going to add in the foil/dull side up to the temp home, and the white rocks today, ill post pics later tonight.

[turtle420]

From Hydroponics.com:

Metal halide lights were created to provide a spectrum as close as possible to that of the natural sunlight. This coupled with their intensity and energy efficiency, makes them ideal for indoor gardening. The bulbs range
.....
five foot area will provide 40 watts per sq.ft., compared to 20 watts per square foot in a seven by seven foot growroom.

Hey 9ski9, would you mind giving me your input as to LED lights?
Here's the thread:::
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=34819

I would trully appreciate it!

[colaking]

hi there everyone,just reading what you are saying about the lighting.....
i was using a 400watt son-t-plus in my closet grow for both veg and flower.i have made some changes recently and wonder if anyone has tried the lights i am now using...
i have small cudboard with a 125watt envirolite (veg),which i put all my cuttings under and veg with till i am ready to move to my flowering closet...i have used this method for about 4months and am well happy with the results....I now changed my son-t-plus for a twin envirolite hood and a single reflector with all with 200watt enviro's red spec...i wasnt sure about losing my son-t-plus but did anyway and again i'm not dissapointed...They say that these lights are 70% cheaper to run and i must say iv'e gone from 400watts to 600 watts and i havnt noticed a change on my electric card meter...Also the plant uses all the output of these lights....My hood is right above(1 inch) my durban poison plant which is in its 9th week of flower and she is lovin it..There are a few pics in my folder if anyone would like to look.. happy growing dudes!!
:)

[colaking]

[QUOTE=colaking]hi there everyone,just reading what you are saying about the lighting.....
i was using a 400watt son-t-plus in my closet grow for both veg and flower.i have made some changes recently and wonder if anyone has tried the lights i am now using...
i have small cudboard with a 125watt envirolite (veg),which i put all my cuttings under and veg with till i am ready to move to my flowering closet...i have used this method for about 4months and am well happy with the results....I now changed my son-t-plus for a twin envirolite hood and a single reflector with all with 200watt enviro's red spec...i wasnt sure about losing my son-t-plus but did anyway and again i'm not dissapointed...They say that these lights are 70% cheaper to run and i must say iv'e gone from 400watts to 600 watts and i havnt noticed a change on my electric card meter...Also the plant uses all the output of these lights....My hood is right above(1 inch) my durban poison plant which is in its 9th week of flower and she is lovin it..There are a few pics in my folder if anyone would like to look.. happy growing dudes!!
:)

[9ski9]

Hey 9ski9, would you mind giving me your input as to LED lights?
Here's the thread:::
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=34819
I would trully appreciate it!

Man, turtle, the concept sounds like it could be the ideal light set-up for all situations. In theory, wouldn't you be able to select and dial in your lumens as the grow progresses? But this is Zandor-level stuff. Sorry, I'm VERY interested in checking this out, but humbly defer to the smart people 'round here.

Colaking: no better testimonial than having it work for you, right?

[budman2000]

By the way....at insidesun dot blah u can get a 400W MH all inclusive w/3yr warrenty for only a $110

Can even get a 250W HPS all inclusive for GET READY $75 bucks

check it out....they are out of Indy........ :D

[9ski9]

Those are great prices. For eBayers, this place has worked me and two friends:

http://stores.ebay.com/High-Tech-Garden-Supply

[Rekap]

18days...added in some rocks, foil/dull side up and removed krutch. oh and i also shifted fan so its getting more flow.

[colaking]

hi 9ski9 yeah it all seems to work ok.wondered if anybody else has tried envirolites. i have some oasis and chronic under them too.will post some pics of um soon.

[9ski9]

18days...added in some rocks, foil/dull side up and removed krutch. oh and i also shifted fan so its getting more flow.

Looking MUCH better, but I would lose the reflecting hood. It traps and builds up heat and is NOT necessary.

Bonita isn't french fries.

Great to watch her almost grow before your eyes, eh?

[Rekap]

Looking MUCH better, but I would lose the reflecting hood. It traps and builds up heat and is NOT necessary.

Bonita isn't french fries.

Great to watch her almost grow before your eyes, eh?
yeah its a lot of fun! i was thinking the same thing about the hood now thats shes growing up...i have noticed that her stump is growing a bit :D

[9ski9]

Heat can be just as much of a stress factor as anything else. It can easily build up to 90F or more even with the fan in that little dome. High heat will make Bonita yellow and take away that rich green. Without the reflector, you'' also have more flexibility getting the side CFL's in closer. You want to surround her with light not heat. Make her think it's a bright, sunny spring day.

You have a great grow space there that a lot of people would envy.

Are you using bottled water or have you checked the water PH?

Remember to let the water stand for a bit until it reaches room temperature to avoid shock, which goes for the misting water as well.

[Rekap]

Heat can be just as much of a stress factor as anything else. It can easily build up to 90F or more even with the fan in that little dome. High heat will make Bonita yellow and take away that rich green. Without the reflector, you'' also have more flexibility getting the side CFL's in closer. You want to surround her with light not heat. Make her think it's a bright, sunny spring day.

You have a great grow space there that a lot of people would envy.

Are you using bottled water or have you checked the water PH?

Remember to let the water stand for a bit until it reaches room temperature to avoid shock, which goes for the misting water as well.
i bought a couple of gallons of purified water from the grocery store, it sits up above in the same closet along with the mist bottle.

whats up with the PH im not too sure about all that...

[9ski9]

MJ grows best with a PH around 6.8. It may sound like a hassle to check your PH, but what if the water you are giving Bonita is too acidic, for example? She'll struggle and only grow 1/3 the size of her---excuse the HDism---genetic potential.

Online or at a garden center, you can pick up a little bottle of PH tester. You simply take a small sample of the water you plan to use and put a drop of the tester in it. The water changes to a color that you then compare to a chart that comes with the kit. Mine was $6.

And I also found that brands of bottled water are pretty consistant in their PH.

If you were to use tap water, put an uncovered jug out in the sun for a day or two before testing and using on Bonita. That'll get rid of the chlorine, among other things. At least that's what I've been told.

[Rekap]

heres Bonita at 24days. im gtransplanting next weekend...i know im not ready to flower but im trying to get set up for it, and ive been looking at HPS's but it seems expensive to get a ballast and all, so i was wondering if there was an alternative way to flower. i was thinking a few CFL's along with the 3x60watt floures that i already have. PLEASE HELP! thanks...

[Rekap]

oh and i finally found some superthrive today, when should i start her on it? and should i use it with every watering?

[rastabill89]

looks good man

[Rekap]

ok so just ordered this...

http://www.insidesun.com/index.php?action=item&id=40&prevaction=category&previd=2&prevstart=0

should i keep the fours. in closet along with this system for flowering?

[Rekap]

BUMP! help!

[RastaKaze]

You could.. wouldn't really make an impact bud wise though.. they'd just be taking up space. Best use just the HPS.

[Rekap]

gave her, her first watering with superthrive today :D im now on day 26veg. :thumbsup: and was thinking of going till 35-40days b4 switching to 12/12. what do you guys/gals recommend?

[RastaKaze]

I'm noticing constant droopage... that's not to say she hasn't come along way, but, what is your watering plan? I strongly reccomend the "Lift the pot" method for when you water.. I let my soil get pretty dry like an inch into the pot before I water

[Rekap]

I'm noticing constant droopage... that's not to say she hasn't come along way, but, what is your watering plan? I strongly reccomend the "Lift the pot" method for when you water.. I let my soil get pretty dry like an inch into the pot before I water

well im watering mainly from the bottom, every other day. theres an opening for watering, but you are probably right, ill give her a break from water. thanks for the input.

[Rekap]

my baby is still vegging, lots of stipules emerging(into its 4th week) keeping fingers crossed shes a "she"... transplanted a few days ago, things went well although it was a nail bitting exprience :stoned: new HPS system should be arriving any day now(400w). can i put the system in right away and continue to veg. or should i just stick with the flore for now and wait for flowering? if i can put it in now, how far should it be above the plant? one more thing, any opinions on how much longer should i veg?

[Kurtfolder]

Let me see if I can help, I'd also like to ask if the Artisans of pot would correct me if I made a mistake.

clones = 15in

seedlings = 11-12in

the droopage is from overwatering, I did the same thing when I stated which happens to be the same time you started :D

as for the lighting you can go right when you get it.

[Rekap]

thanks for the quick reply Kurt... wow 1ft. i figured atleast 3ft, don't HPS's get a bit hot?

[Rekap]

UPDATE:

so heres Bonita at 32days from germ.

now growing at about 1/4" to 1/2" daily...now 9" tall. thinking of putting her into 12/12 at 12". im not looking to get a huge yeild out of this 1st grow, more for the learning experience...

her to bottom leaves (the rounded ones) have already withered and there seems to be some growth emerging where they once were, one side more then the other...looks like a new set of leaves, is this normal? i didnt bother trying to get a pic seeing that i have to macro lense and it would be a waste of time... :cool:

[Marks324]

Hey Rekap I am also doing a CFL Closet grow mine is 29 days old from seed
just my little input to you i would bring them lights closer to her and wait a couple more weeks to 12/12 her if you bring the lights closer she will get alot
more fuller and will make more bud sites. i am using Phd water 6.5 with 1/4tsp
of Superthrive is all i use. if you want take a look at mine and see the diff with
the lights closer http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=36982


Good Luck ....

[Rekap]

if you bring the lights closer she will get alot
more fuller and will make more bud sites. i am using Phd water 6.5 with 1/4tsp of Superthrive is all i use.

Good Luck ....

Where can i find some of that PHed water? i checked my PH today and it was about 4 :mad: how close can they be really without burning her? oh and should i be using superthrive with every watering?

[Marks324]

You have to Buy PH UP and PH DOWN and a PH test kit so you know where your PH is. Other growers on here will also tell you that PH is Very very very
Important to if your plant lives or dies ... I have them Lights 1 inch from
my plant at all times... i also have a Fan Blowing across the Top of the plant
at ALL TIMES !!! (when the lights are on)
and i use the Superthrive every time water.
And get that PH Straight or you will have a DEAD PLANT 4 is way way Low
6.5 - 7 that is where you want it
Good Luck

[9ski9]

Hey, Rekap, Bonita is looking great. Any chance of dropping the two outside CFL's down a bit? Most of their light is being lost and she needs light down low. Those CFL's can be MUCH closer, especially without the hood.

SuperThrive is perfectly safe to use with EVERY watering. Just a couple drops per gallon.

Since you've come this far and want to maximize the learning experience, why not veg another three weeks, or so? You can let her go another week, then start tucking and tying down her fan leaves and exposing her secondaries to light. This is where her buds will form and the more light the better. Grab some white pipe cleaners from a craft store. It's easy to do and the effect of light on the secondaries is amazing; it's like removing an umbrella.

Any chance of coming up with bat guano? She'd love some high nitrogen fert right now.

She really is looking awesome.

[Mctuffet]

get your lights closer and water less frequently. the water is making her droop and those cfl's can be right next to her like 2" move the 2 outsides down beside her . that way you have on light on top and a light on each side.

[Rekap]

she's a SHE! :dance:

only 5 days into 12/12 and already showing pistols, even on the secondaries :thumbsup:

ill get some pics up when she wakes up in the morning...although i have to macro lense but its better then nothing i guess :p

mean while ill be celebrating :D

i was thinking of tying down somme of her big fan leaves to the main stock...is this hard?

[Rekap]

was planning on starting her on some schultz cactus juice 2-7-7 and was wondering if anyone out there can tell me how many drops per gallon and how often?

THANKS
REKAP_

[Rekap]

couldnt help myself, took one while she was sleeping...i really want to start her on some cactus juice. can some please reply to my last question :(

Thanks.

[stickygreenlightsabr]

Use 11 drops per gallon. Every other watering.

[stickygreenlightsabr]

What do you mean "while she was sleeping"?

Don't be taking pics when it's her dark time. :)

[Rekap]

here she is fully awake :p
day6 flowering.

[mand]

Hello Rekap :) it's really nice to see how she has come on since you first posted that pic of her in the window sill ;)

She's looking good all bushy and healthly :)

Sorry I can't tell you anything about the "Cactus juice" ? ............I haven't a clue :o


love mand xxx :)

[Rekap]

thanks a lot mand :p

[9ski9]

Tying down is very simple...and Bonita could really use it. Just gently pull back the fan leaves on each level and gently tuck and tie them down. I used a piece of coat hanger wire and bent each end, then attached it to the pot, across the top of the dirt. That gives you an anchor to tie the pipe cleaners to. It should take just a few minutes.

Getting light on those secondaries will make a huge difference in yield.

[9ski9]

Here's a quick pic of a freshly tied plant...

[Rekap]

thanks 9, i think ill give it a try in the morning...pipe cleaner? im not really following what that is...

[9ski9]

Remember from elementary school? They are about 10" long pieces of wire with a fuzzy coating and a lot of teachers use them for craft projects. They are meant for cleaning pipes and, well, tying down pot leaves.

[Rekap]

thanks 9 for the detail... if i remember right you used cactus juice for flowering...how often did you water with it?

[9ski9]

Lemme think...I'm at Day 68 of flowering...I repotted just after switching (I should have repotted two days before going to flower). I used good new soil, so I could have waited up to three weeks before the first nute in flower, but gave a VERY diluted shot of cactus juice around flower day 7.

Then it was 1/2 strength Cactus Juice every other watering (they get 2 liters every third day, so it was 1/2 strength nutes every 6 days). I've read that Schultz Cactus Juice is recommended at full strength once a week, but it burns pretty easy and I've only used it at 1/2 strength.

Flower Day 56 was the last nute they got. So they were fed during flower 7 times.

I think I did okay with this. The last of the remaining fan leaves are just now being used up for their nutrients and the trichs are 25% clear and 75% cloudy, so they should be finishing in a week or so.

[Rekap]

nice, i bet your looking forward to that harvest. i followed your journal and your girls are beautiful!

im planning on taking some clones from mine in the morning. i know i know shes already in 12/12, but i really want try to clone. got all i need for clonging today including...
root hormones(powder)
"hockey pucks"
fish tank(humidity dome)
razor blades
new 1gallon pots along with some 3gallon pots
leaf pruning clippers
and i also got some new soil along with some more perlite :p

thanks for the info 9er.

Rekap_

[Rekap]

measured her saturday and she was 18 5" and today she is 25" that hps light has worked its magic!

updated pix this weekend...


Use 11 drops cactus juice per gallon. Every other watering.

how many to a liter?

[Rekap]

somebody, anybody? amount of cactus juice to liter of water?

[Rekap]

here she is 2 weeks deep into 12/12...

lots of flowers developing :p

giving her her second dose of cactus juice today...

tied back a lot of large fan leaves, and also tied town some lower nodes to bring them out to the side for more light...how'd i do 9ski :o

its getting to be like 90 degrees in there durinng the day :confused:

i have a window cracked that the fan is sitting in front that is sucking in some fresh air...this grow has also been moved up to the attic...closed off the flowering area with large white sheets, so im guess the air is flowing well through them, the room is pretty large and about 7ft tall, clones are in the closet :p

let know what you guys/gals think of Bonita...

Rekap_

[Rekap]

to think that out of 5 bag seeds only one germinated and ended up being a girl, talk about beginers luck! :D

[Rekap]

anyone know by looks if this is sativa or indica?

[Powder Puff]

Isn't it something about thin leaves, then it's sativa, and fat leaves, then it's indica??

I think it's something like that.. But don't take my word for it!:P

Wait for the pro's to show up!!;)

[Rekap]

Isn't it something about thin leaves, then it's sativa, and fat leaves, then it's indica??

I think it's something like that.. But don't take my word for it!:P

Wait for the pro's to show up!!;)

anyone out there know?

[BobBong]

Stretching can always be overcome.. when you transplant, transplant into at least a 3 or 4 gallon pot and bury the plant up to the first set of leaves.

Other than that, you're looking good for a first grow :)

[Rekap]

day 19 flowering...

tricomes building (finally) :p shes just under 3ft from soil up :D

ill try ti get some better pics up soon...

anyone know if this is sativa or indaca by looks?

Rekap_

[BobBong]

Indica Vs. Sativa (http://www.ganjaland.com/grow_indica_sativa.htm)

Found this site on Indica vs. Sativa.

"There has been some confusion all over about differences of Indica and Sativa plants. Here are a few rule of thumbs:

Fat Leaves and Short Bush = INDICA
Thin Leaves and Tall Bush = SATIVA

Indica....higher CBD than THC equals heavier, sleepy type of high. Yield is usually higher than Sativa, and shorter growing season. Better for indoor growing, because they don't get as tall.

Sativa....higher THC than CBD equals cerebral, soaring type of high, more energetic Yield is usually lower than Indica, but is very potent. eg: Thai Sativa grow taller and have a longer flowering period, so they are better suited for outdoors.

Sativa's typically take longer to germinate and flower, and they grow more gangly then indica breeds."

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Bob.

[BobBong]

But to answer your question.. your plant looks Indica mostly....although she may seem tall, i think that's just due to some stretching.

Looking good by the way :)

[Rekap]

thanks for the quick info Bob :p new pics(new cam)comming in about an hour :D

Rekap_

[Rekap]

new cam, finally got some clear pix :p

Rekap_

[mand]

Hello Rekap :) Much better pics love ;)

By the looks of it, she is coming along very nicely ;)

love mand xxx :)

[BOYZNUS]

OMG.. U ALL ARE GETTING WET N SQUISHY,, OVER A 5 DAY OLD FLOWER...... I WOULD LUV TO LIVE OVER ON YOUR SIDE OF THE OCEAN. BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE TOO FRIGGEN POLITE. YES,,, NICE GROW.... NOT,,, WOW!!!!

[BOYZNUS]

new cam, finally got some clear pix :p

Rekap_


BLOW A FLIPPING FAN ON HER AND LOWER THE LITE.. THE NODUALS WILL BE HELLA CLOSER

[mand]

Hello BOYZNUS :) It's not just being polite love, although I always try to be.

You see the length of the side stems, it creating an effect of almost like being topped. So the plant does have potential to produce several large heads of buds ;)

I grow differently I cram as many plants as possible in the growroom so my lower side stems never really produce large amounts, they struggle for the light, but I don't worry about that ;)

Tell you what Rekap just keep posting the pics because you're plant has the potential there to produce a fair amount of bud ............I'll be intresting to see how it goes ;)


love mand xxx :)

[MaraJawanna]

Nice plants man looks good

[Rekap]

OMG.. U ALL ARE GETTING WET N SQUISHY,, OVER A 5 DAY OLD FLOWER...... I WOULD LUV TO LIVE OVER ON YOUR SIDE OF THE OCEAN. BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE TOO FRIGGEN POLITE. YES,,, NICE GROW.... NOT,,, WOW!!!!

ummm. DICK! stay off my journal and stay on your side of the ocean, thank you :p and if you would/can read the posts you would relize that the flowers are about 3weeks old :thumbsup:

Love,
Rekap_

P.S. thanks for the love mand ;)

[BOYZNUS]

MY BAD. I WILL STAND IN MY CORNER NOW AND BEHAVE. SORRY

[Rekap]

sorry for using harsh language, i really dont mind you posting here as long as its POSITIVE ya know...thanks for "behaving" :thumbsup:

[skippi563]

tell em how it is!!!!!! growing can get you stressed enough you dont need negitive crap on top of it. your baby has come a long way and looks great you have a right to be all wet and sqishy. good work update often thanks <SKIPPI>

[Rekap]

just ending 4th week.one more week of of Schultz 2-7-7 cactus juice, then its plain bottled water from then on, but can i still use superthrive? and do i flush the last week or the last couple of days?...comments? :p

Thanks,
Rekap_ :p

[mand]

Hello Rekap :)

I was just looking at the first pic of her sitting in the window sill, she has come on a bit hasn't she ;)

Lovely first grow Rekap, I would say you've got this growing lark all sussed out :)


love mand xxx :)

[Rekap]

yeah, what was i thinking :p
thanks mand.

Rekap_

[dreadydrug]

Anyways you can get a refurnished 400 watter online for under 300 bucks and from personal experiance that is the way to go.Good luck!!!

you can get em for £99 from seaofgreen.co.uk
England gets it cheaper!, but u dont wanna pay the shipping

[Rekap]

you can get em for £99 from seaofgreen.co.uk
England gets it cheaper!, but u dont wanna pay the shipping

i went with the 400w hps from insidesun...like 180bucks

im happy with it :p

[CANABIZNIS]

Daaamn how long have you been growin that beast??!..it looks like its 8 ft. tall!..

[Rekap]

CANABIZNIS: its just over 3ft. from soil up. when i put her into flowering and introduced it to the HPS it tripled in size :) but it seems lately that all the growing is going inot the flowers, thankfully...her growth in hieght has slowed to about 1/4inch a day, thanks for the comment :P

[ICBINR]

Wow, I just read through this whole journal, congrats it looks great.

Did you read a book before attempting this? Just curious from an aspiring grower

[Rekap]

yeah, i bought "the indoor growers bible" answered a lot of question along with all the helpfull people in this forum :p

thanks for checking it out.

UPDATE this saturday :p

Rekap_

[Rekap]

ok heres the lady...going into her 5th week flowering.

im kinda confused as to why her top fan leaves seem to be turning a dark almost purple color, at first i thought it was heat stress from the HPS being too close so i moved it up a few inches, and the nights do get kind of cold in the attic(mid to high 60's F).

lots of her pistols are turning brown but i have NO amber trichs yet...

i tried to get some close ups on her top leaves....any info/comments?

Rekap_

[Rekap]

a couple more...

[SeAgul]

i love FAT blue buds.. YUMMY good job man. Amazing how she started looking kinda frail and now she's a beast

[Rekap]

caught a few pix just after lights out :p

Rekap_

[mand]

Hello Rekap :) , you know I still keep seeing her sitting in the window sill looking all lost and lonely :o

Now look at her all covered in buds and not long to go before harvest ;)

Excellent job Rekap, welldone :)


love mand xxx :)

[Rekap]

thanks a lot for all your support mand :p

Rekap_

[mand]

Hello Rekap :) When I first saw you're journal and I saw the little thing sitting in that pot on the window sill, I have to say that my first thoughts were "oh dear" :o

However you have certainly done you're "homework" and have proved my first thoughts wrong and produced a very nice plant indeed :)
So credit were credit is due love................. really welldone :)


love mand xxx :)

[Rekap]

ending her 5th week of 12/12

im getting a bit worried about all those fan leaves, i know they tend to start looking ugly towards the END but it seems a bit early :confused:

i've got about 50/50 of cloudy/clear trichs. im looking for an "up" high so im planning on chopping her once they are all cloudy.

gave her nutes yesterday for the last time.

oh, and i couldnt help myself and took a little sample :p

check out all the pics and let me know what you all think...
(especially the about the fan leaves)

Rekap_ :p

[Rekap]

ending her 5th week of 12/12

im getting a bit worried about all those fan leaves, i know they tend to start looking ugly towards the END but it seems a bit early :confused:

Rekap_ :p

BUMP
anyone?

[Harvesthetic]

*sallivating in terms of gallons*
Very nice product there, rekap, nice & plentyful ;)
I read that at the end of the flowering period, (ironically enough from the 5th week on) the plants start ignoring the leaves and flowing all the nuts to the buds. Checked out your pictures, and it seems that they are going through that stage maybe a bit earlier, but they're looking peachy though. And don't forget to stop the feeding before you harvest, otherwise you might end up smoking nutrients, and that's a no-no. :)
(Again, this noobie is still learning, and bows down respectfully to those who know more about it. :p Their opinion is to be valued, this is all purely hypothetical :D)

[Rekap]

yeah i've quit nutes all together...planning on going another 2-3weeks on her...thaks for your inpute harvesthetic.


Rekap_

[mand]

Hello Rekap :) well I've never really had leaves go like that but that's probably because I never leave them long enough before cutting them :o

I would say the same as Harv, it looks like all the energy is going into the buds right now ;)
I see you've took a little sample, don't worry it will soon be time for taking the rest as well :)

love mand xxx :)

[Rekap]

mand:

why do you cut your fan leaves? air flow?

dont the flowers need the energy from the fan leaves to produce nice buds?

[amstron]

cutting fan leaves arguement:

advantages, the leaves are said to block light from the budsites, this does happen to an extent as lower buds are smaller. Older fan leaves that are yellowing and dying should be cut off to reduce risk of infection.

Disadvantages: fan leaves are the plants solar panels and create a lot of energy, which goes to the budsites creating bigger buds. There is light invisible to the human eye that goes through the leaves to lower parts of the plant.

These are not my views but are mearly the arguements for and against

[mand]

Hello Rekap :) Well like Amstron points out there are arguements for and against cutting fan leaves.

What do I do ? .................. I will cut off dead or dying leaves, to me they are simply waste material that are prehaps taking energy away from the healthy parts.
However Rekap I probably do quite a few things that may be frowned upon. I don't worry about streching, I don't worry about temprature (too much anyway), I don't use a fan although if it gets too humid I will, I usually just open the grow room door .
So I'm probably not the best person to say if to cut or not :o

I don't like to interfere with them too much. Infact I would love to do another outdoor grow again, that was simplicity itself ;) . I'm afraid though for security I won't risk it, due to visitors I don't want to know that I am growing and just incase the police helicopter happens to fly over.



love mand xxx :)

[Rekap]

i've been removing off the fan leaves that are dying as soon as they are able to be pulled off with no force. i'll stick with this and next batch i will try your technuiqe.

Rekap_

[mand]

Hello Rekap :) I think you are worrying a little about the leaves :(
Well they do seem to be dying off a little soon but I've just been looking at you're pics and the buds are nice and resinous and the pitsels do seem to be browning as well ................. so don't worry love, no matter what happens now you have got yourself a harvest :)
I don't think it will be long before shes ready ;)

I look forward to seeing you're next one ;)


love mand xxx :)

[amstron]

you can get em for £99 from seaofgreen.co.uk
England gets it cheaper!, but u dont wanna pay the shipping
ha, you can get them for £65 from www.3countieshydroponics.co.uk (400 watt HPS)

[dreadydrug]

ha, you can get them for £65 from www.3countieshydroponics.co.uk (400 watt HPS)

awww:(

[Rekap]

just starting her 8th week, things are looking good.

the sample i took last weeks was burned up lastnight (merry christmas). it was surprisingly good, it seemed like it was all body and not to heavey on the head, just the way i like it...so im going to go ahead and harvest next week :p

flushing her about 3 times this comming week.

Rekap_

[amstron]

youve got some nice buds on that how much are you hoping to yield

[Rekap]

im hoping for 2 oz's but its wishfull thinking :p

[mand]

Hello Rekap :) I'm not very good at predicting the weight but from what I can see for a first grow and one plant you will have a nice little stash :)

Hey I bet you're planning the next one already ;)


love mand xxx :)

[Rekap]

haha, yeah the next one is already going (3clones).

and i friend of mine told me that he could get me a "OG Kush" clone from his local club :)

Rekap_

[Rekap]

her time has come, im harvesting this sunday.

one thing though, i was wondering if i could harvest her top half and and let the other less developed flowers continue to grow?

[mand]

Hello Rekap :) I've always wondered about just harvesting the "best bits" so to speak, Then giving the smaller buds a little extra time.
I've never tried it though and doubt I ever will .............. when the sisscors come out I get very "snip happy" :o :)


love mand xxx :)

[Rekap]

one thing though, i was wondering if i could harvest her top half and and let the other less developed flowers continue to grow?


lol mand. are you curing you harvest yet?

bump.

anyone else?

[Rekap]

done :p

[Powder Puff]

Looknig Goooood!:D

Smoked any of it yet? Offcourse you have!:p

Good? How much did you get?:)

[Rekap]

well, wet weight was over 200gms with stems and all.

im hoping for atleast 1ounce dry.

thanks for checking out the thread powerpuff.

[mand]

Hello Rekap :) Well there you go love, you've done it :) First grow, first harvest, you should be very happy with the result .............. I know I would be ;)


Excellent .................... well done :)


love mand xxx :)

[BkSkillz]

200 grams wet so about 180 without stems is still way more then a ounce dry...isnt it? very nice crop by the way i tip my hat off to you

[Powder Puff]

well, wet weight was over 200gms with stems and all.

im hoping for atleast 1ounce dry.

thanks for checking out the thread powerpuff.

Sorry I haven't been active at this thread..

I have read a few lines, but that's it.. Good though!:D

Hope your doing another one!:)

[Rekap]

Sorry I haven't been active at this thread..

I have read a few lines, but that's it.. Good though!:D

Hope your doing another one!:)

yeah, shes got three kids alive and vegging. im going to try different teq. with them (1 L.S.T., 1's been topped, and the runt is going to be left alone).

only time will tell...

mand:
thanks a lot for comming by to see the harvest. you have been more then enough help. like i said b4 when you are ready to adopt... pick me pick me! :p thanks again.

[mand]

mand:
thanks a lot for comming by to see the harvest. you have been more then enough help. like i said b4 when you are ready to adopt... pick me pick me! :p thanks again.


Hello Rekap :) well it's been a day and a half today love :o I can't give money away :rolleyes: I've been trying to book a holiday but can't seem to find one ;)

Anyway love yes I do remember you're on the top of my adoption list ;)
I tell you what, you can take over the growing in my little shed thingy and I'll retire, well after seeing what you have produced from one plant I feel kinda redundant now :o

Goodnight Rekap :) ................................. love mand xxx :)

[BukDatAss]

Damn that loook mighty tasty You did a good ass job

[Rekap]

Damn that loook mighty tasty You did a good ass job

thanks Buk. i'm keeping an eye on your thread as well.

[BukDatAss]

So did you do the final weight on your yeild all dried up without the stems? How many plants was that from again :o :dance:

[bobby]

hi, i was told by a friend to put roots in boiling water then hang plants upside down for better resin in buds any one else heard that

[Rekap]

So did you do the final weight on your yeild all dried up without the stems? How many plants was that from again :o :dance:

still drying. its was a single plant.

ill post a update on the dry weight when its dry :p

[Rekap]

total dry weight was 35.1g

not much, but it'll do the trick :p

thanks to everyone that joined the thread! :)

[turtle420]

total dry weight was 35.1g

not much, but it'll do the trick :p

thanks to everyone that joined the thread! :)
Congratulations dude :) :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[BukDatAss]

hell yeah man CONGRATS I hope I make it to the finish line like you