why marijuana is better for you than alcohal

[ShWeave]

i have a friend who has smoked before and he loved it but says its really bad for him so he is going to just drink.....I have tried everything! I have showed him things on www.erowid.com, some of the papers on why it should be legalized (ones on this board), but he wont believe me. If anyone could like make a list and post it, i would aprecciate it a lot.

sorry about the grammar Im to stoned to have good grammar

[TheAtomicPunk]

Well, i have the same problem with one of my friends Ricky. He was smokin and drinkin and he got alchohol poisoning, and he blamed the weed for it!!! After naggin on him forever about how the alchohol did it and weed isnt bad for him, he still wont do it. I gave up after a month.

Well, im not sure how that helps, but keep pushing him!!!

[Seag420]

only an idiot would think that smoking cannabis is safer than drinking alcohol. i love my ganja, but it doesnt take an einstien to work out that if yer smoke bong after bong for years, yer lungs are gona pay for it! its all about moderation, the truth is weed is AS bad for the body, no better, no worse

[TheAtomicPunk]

I use vapos though :p
Theres no other way than a good vapo

[Seag420]

i got my self a volcano vap, nothin beats it! but lung damage aint the only problem with weed, if yer use it for long enough, other parts of the body are gona suffer, like the brain and the heart

[TheAtomicPunk]

Yea, but i dont smoke all the time. (Damn you got a volcano? good job lucky!)
Right now, last time i smoked was two weeks and 1 day ago.

[ShWeave]

he will only smoke once a week, so im pretty sure its better for you than drinking b/c he drinks about 3x a week....but he said he would give up drinking if i showed him proof that weed was better for you than alcohal

[Seag420]

like i say, keep it in moderation, and youall be all right. me, ive overdone it my self, ive been tokin fir the last 6 years, and up untill jan of this years it was daily, and as a result my fittness is terrible. my doc says give it a rest for a year or so, get fit and then keep it in moderation. the anoying part is i only got my volcano in june, cost me £330 (over $500), and i cant use it for ages now!what vap have u got?

[MightyFourTwenty]

No, alcohol has always been, and will always be, far worse for you. No, it's not good for your lungs, but that's why there are vaporizers. Besides, you can OD on alcohol, it can be physically addicting, and it causes kidney and liver problems with prolonged use. I'm sorry, but my vote for safety between alcohol and weed goes to weed every time, hands down. Anyone who thinks that alcohol is safer is absolutely retarded, and needs to think for themselves. Stop buying into the government's propaganda.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

dude...read the paper i'm writing...alcohol is nowhere near as bad for you as alcohol

[MightyFourTwenty]

dude...read the paper i'm writing...alcohol is nowhere near as bad for you as alcohol

I got lost on that one ... WEED is nowhere near as bad for you as alcohol, or ALCOHOL is nowhere near as bad for you as weed? :confused:

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

oops sorry. weed is nowhere near as bad for you than alcohol. my mom's family is dying because of alcohol. my dad's family smokes weed pretty regularly, and granted they aren't fit to run a marathon, but they're not dying

[Sinsemilla Jones]

Alcohol is a poison.
:(
Marijuana is not.
:)

Alcohol can make you sick.
:(
Sick people use marijuana to make them feel better.
:)

Alcohol can significantly damage the digestive system, especially the stomach and liver.
:(
Smoking marijuana has never been shown to do significant damage to any organ, even the lungs, does not cause cancer, and when eaten does not cause any damage at all to the human body.
:)

Alcohol can be physically addictive with significant withrawal symptoms as severe as the frightening delerium tremens.
:(
Marijuana has never been shown to be more than psychologically addictive and cessation of use has never caused anything more than the stress that it was probably being used to treat anyway.
:)

etc., etc. etc.
;)

[Seag420]

point 1: cannabis IS a poision
point 2: never heard of a whitey?
point 3: cannabis lowers the immune system, making it easier to pick up all sorts of viruses. it can massivly damage the lungs, i know this for a fact, it litterly strips the lungs of the cila, and this can lead to emphysema after only 6 or 7 years of heavy smoking. that makes it about 3 or 4 times worse for the lungs as tabbaco. even if you consider that an average ciggy smoker smokes 20 aday and doesnt get emphysema, youve got to remember that drawin on a cig is far easier on the lungs than rippin a bong as fast as you can. also weed, if its used for long enough by an unhealthy person, can damage your heart, dont belive me, check yer pulse rate 5 mins after a big bong hit.
point 4: although there is know way that weed is anywhere as physically addicative as alcohol, any heavy smoke who has to stop smoking will get some mild physical withdrawl problems, such as innsomnia and poor appertite.

dont get me wrong guys, i love weed and hate alcohol for what it did to my mums pancreas, but it makes me laugh when people beleave with a passion that weed is so harmless

[keinmehrkreig]

Alcohol is much worse for you then Marijuana, nobody is saying marijuana is HARMLESS but honestly..If you were to take both in moderation alcohol would still be worse for you.

Smoking weed isn't going to be any worse then eating mcdonalds, watching too much tv, or not excercising frequently.

[MightyFourTwenty]

Alcohol is a poison.
:(
Marijuana is not.
:)

Alcohol can make you sick.
:(
Sick people use marijuana to make them feel better.
:)

Alcohol can significantly damage the digestive system, especially the stomach and liver.
:(
Smoking marijuana has never been shown to do significant damage to any organ, even the lungs, does not cause cancer, and when eaten does not cause any damage at all to the human body.
:)

Alcohol can be physically addictive with significant withrawal symptoms as severe as the frightening delerium tremens.
:(
Marijuana has never been shown to be more than psychologically addictive and cessation of use has never caused anything more than the stress that it was probably being used to treat anyway.
:)

etc., etc. etc.
;)



Wow. B-E-A-Utifully done! That was pretty :D

[Seag420]

if you use them both in moderation, then nither of them are going to be that bad for you

[Shai Hulud]

I am rather sick of people touting the dangers of marijuana smoke.

1) Even if "per hit" it's worse for you than cigarettes, no one smokes twenty joints a day. As far as I know, there are no well-documented cases of anyone developing lung cancer *solely* from using cannabis.
2) No one is screaming here about criminalizing cigarrette usage, so the marijuana smoke is really a non-issue.
3) You don't have to smoke it! I only vaporize and eat it these days.

Honestly, I've been using cannabis almost every day for a long time, and the only negative side effects I've noticed are

1) I went from 120 to 145 pounds. As I was considered anorexic for my height, this is actually a benefit. Marijuana has stimulated my appetite, leading me to eat healthier amounts of food.
2) When I don't smoke one evening, I tend to get stressed or depressed. Of course, this is one of the reasons I smoke daily anyway, to relieve stress and depression that were already there.
3) When I get completely fucking blazed, I feel a little fuzzy-headed the next morning.

Now, here's what happens when I drink:
1) I lose my inhibitions and act irresponsibly.
2) I vomit for hours.
3) I have a terrible migraine the whole of the next day.

Granted, a lot of stoners smoke every single day, multiple times, and this is not particularly healthy--but there are people who drink several times a day, and they tend to develop serious behavioral problems and die an early death (which does not happen to stoners).

There is NO WAY weed is worse for you than alcohol. Absolutely no way.

[Seag420]

only the future is gona show how bad long term cannabis useage is, especialy with the powerful skunk strains nowadays

[MightyFourTwenty]

point 1: cannabis IS a poision
point 2: never heard of a whitey?
point 3: cannabis lowers the immune system, making it easier to pick up all sorts of viruses. it can massivly damage the lungs, i know this for a fact, it litterly strips the lungs of the cila, and this can lead to emphysema after only 6 or 7 years of heavy smoking. that makes it about 3 or 4 times worse for the lungs as tabbaco. even if you consider that an average ciggy smoker smokes 20 aday and doesnt get emphysema, youve got to remember that drawin on a cig is far easier on the lungs than rippin a bong as fast as you can. also weed, if its used for long enough by an unhealthy person, can damage your heart, dont belive me, check yer pulse rate 5 mins after a big bong hit.
point 4: although there is know way that weed is anywhere as physically addicative as alcohol, any heavy smoke who has to stop smoking will get some mild physical withdrawl problems, such as innsomnia and poor appertite.


Point 1 : Poison or not, it won't matter. Many good things can result from poison; poison isn't always negative unless it becomes dangerous, ie alcohol poisoning. You will never smoke enough marijuana to reach lethal levels. Another good example of this is Botox. Read this. (http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/095_bot.html)

Basically, they take one of the most potent and lethal poisons ever known; one that can kill with just mere nanograms of the material (Botulinum), and use it to control muscular movements and spasms.

Point 2 : A "Whitey" is not a serious illness. Ever seen someone puking blood while emptying their stomachs from smoking weed?

Point 3 : Go to that website in my Point 1, and then go here. (http://www.projinf.org/fs/marijuana.html)

Here's a quote on the subject, from that site.
Some research suggests that marijuana has no significant effectâ??good or badâ??on the immune system of people living with HIV. Studies from the Multicenter AIDS Cohort Study evaluating outcomes in 1,662 HIV-positive users of psychoactive drugs (marijuana, cocaine, LSD, etc.) found that none of the drugs were linked to a higher rate of HIV disease progression or loss of CD4+ cell counts. Of the men who took part in the study, 89% reported using marijuana in the preceding two years. A recent study, presented in 2000, examined the short-term impact of marijuana, dronabinol or placebo on HIV levels, CD4+ cell count and HIV levels. After twenty-one days, the use of marijuana did not appear to have harmful affects. Much longer-term studies are needed before concluding that marijuana use is either safe or unsafe for people living with HIV, however.

and another ...
Itâ??s not at all clear that this kind of weight gain, that consists more of body fat than of lean muscle, will benefit the overall health and longevity of a person with HIV-related wasting. However, if medical marijuana is combined with a comprehensive nutritional and weight maintenance program, as well as exercise, it may prove useful. Because of these concerns, it is important that evaluating the medical effects of marijuana not be limited to measuring weight gain, as this may lead to false conclusions about its value.

When considering all the safety factors associated with marijuana use, itâ??s important to weigh these factors against the harm being done by wasting. What may sound harmful to a healthy person may seem irrelevant to another when compared to the alternatives they face.

Point 4 : In certain cases, I'm sure it can be psychologically addictive to certain people; but to the general populace, it is not nearly as addictive as is alcohol, nor as dangerous.

:D

[daZenfmeister]

only an idiot would think that smoking cannabis is safer than drinking alcohol. i love my ganja, but it doesnt take an einstien to work out that if yer smoke bong after bong for years, yer lungs are gona pay for it! its all about moderation, the truth is weed is AS bad for the body, no better, no worse
Nope, wrong sorry that's completely wrong. Think about every single time you've smoked, Imagine if every one of those times you were drinking instead of smoking. I know for a fact I would be much more fucked up, my liver would be so fucked up and i would be a pretty fucking bad alcoholic.

[MightyFourTwenty]

only the future is gona show how bad long term cannabis useage is, especialy with the powerful skunk strains nowadays

HOW POWERFUL DOESN'T MATTER! If you have some strong skunk, smoke one bowl of it, maybe two, and get either high as fuck or obliterated, respectively. Whereas with weaker weed, it doesn't take a fucking scientist to derive that you'd need to smoke more of the shittier weed to achieve the same high as you would with the skunk. EXAMPLE : 1 Bowl of High Quality Skunk = 1 Bowl of Mids+ 1 Bowl of Mids+ 1 Bowl of Mids.

Broken down, it means that the higher the potency, the less *smoking* is actually required. Very similar to alcohol, but without the dangers.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

here's the link to my essay. click this right here (http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=34478)

[mrdevious]

1. alchohol still destroys a shitload of brain cells.

2. alchohol has destroyed more families than ANY other drug, even the hard illegal ones.

3. alchohol actually gets you "high" (though we call it "drunk") by poisoning your brain and destroying the brain cells, wheras weed gets you high by stimulating certain receptors.

4. alchohol is very bad for your liver, kidneys, and digestive system in general. marijuana has been shown to be very beneficial on these.

5. I've gotten drunk and felt sick like I've been poisoned for 2 days afterwards. the worst I've ever gotten from a day of marathon all-day weed smoking is a groggy feeling from burning out.

6. THC has recently been shown to very effective in preventing heart disease. alchohol (obviously) is not doing your heart any favours.

7. alchohol can make you sick to your stomach and give you a good puke, weed can stimulate your appetite and significantly releives nausea and stomach pain. just last week I took a bunch of painkillers on an empty stomach (oops) and nearly threw up. so I took only 2 tokes and my stomach felt 100% better.

8. weed has numerous medicinal qualities wheras alchohol has only detrimental effects.

9. most people are still able to function decently when stoned. I and all my friends go out in public totally stoned and can hide it relatively well. we may talk kind of funny and forgetfully while high, but unlike a drunk we're not swaying from side-to-side and you can't tell just by looking at us. and don't even try telling me weed impairs driving more than alchohol.

10. when driving, weed enhances vision (In life in general) wheras alchohol makes vision blurry and overall shitty.

11. the depressed/happy ratio with stoned people compared to drunk people is way more frequently happy.

12. vaporization takes care of the lung issues, and it's till not nearly as cancer causing as tobacco.

13. THC can actually prevent some types of cancer.

well shit, I could go on forever really...

[Seag420]

mighty 420, while you and i may only toke one or 2 hits of some powerful skunk, other people will take hit after hit, no matter how powerful the skunk. dazenfmiester, yer right, we would definatly be worse off if we'd been drinkin for years instead of tokin, but remember, its all relative, its still bad for yer.

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

mighty 420, while you and i may only toke one or 2 hits of some powerful skunk, other people will take hit after hit, no matter how powerful the skunk. dazenfmiester, yer right, we would definatly be worse off if we'd been drinkin for years instead of tokin, but remember, its all relative, its still bad for yer.
dude just admit that you were wrong and should have thought before you spoke about how they're equally bad for you. Although marijuana can be a -tiny- bit bad for you, alcohol is certainly a lot worse+

[MightyFourTwenty]

mighty 420, while you and i may only toke one or 2 hits of some powerful skunk, other people will take hit after hit, no matter how powerful the skunk. dazenfmiester, yer right, we would definatly be worse off if we'd been drinkin for years instead of tokin, but remember, its all relative, its still bad for yer.

At times, people might splurge. But how many people out there do you know that smoke, say, an ounce of some dank ass weed everyday? For the most part, people can't AFFORD to do it. The average smoker just doesn't have that kind of income or that reliable and steady a source. I've known some ridiculous stoners in my time, and I myself am not a lightweight (more of an everyday smoker), but anyway you splice it, weed is better for you than alcohol. Granted it's probably not COMPLETELY safe if smoked, but remember, water bongs are a cheap and effective way to filter the smoke, and vaporizers get the job done quite nicely without the smoke.

[Seag420]

like i said, its all relative, alcohol may be worse but many people on this website are gona regret that they ever started tokin oneday. and mrdevious, most of what you said is all theroy, like point 6, thc helping the heart. it may, but like i said, check yer heart rate when yer wrecked, the speed at which yer heart is beating can only be a bad thing if yer keep getting stonned for years. i know this for a fact. my mum, as well as years ago (over 12) being an alcoholic, which no doubt did her heart damage, took up smoking weed about 8 years ago. she also smoked tabbaco. she smoked the herb everyday, and up until december 2003 i thought she was fine. the one day i came home from college and she was seriously ill in bed. i wont go into to many details but basically she sufferd a major heart attack in front of my eyes, if i hadnt of skived from the last lesson to ring for an ambulence she would have died. we never told the doctors that she smoked weed, but when they ran tests afew days later they found that her viens and artierys were amazingly clear for a ciggy smoker. that means that the heart itself was damaged. the doctors said that they didnt know why her heart was damaged, but it wasnt the tabbaco. while the alcohol abuse did its damage, the weed certainly contributed.

[MightyFourTwenty]

like i said, its all relative, alcohol may be worse but many people on this website are gona regret that they ever started tokin oneday. and mrdevious, most of what you said is all theroy, like point 6, thc helping the heart. it may, but like i said, check yer heart rate when yer wrecked, the speed at which yer heart is beating can only be a bad thing if yer keep getting stonned for years. i know this for a fact. my mum, as well as years ago (over 12) being an alcoholic, which no doubt did her heart damage, took up smoking weed about 8 years ago. she also smoked tabbaco. she smoked the herb everyday, and up until december 2003 i thought she was fine. the one day i came home from college and she was seriously ill in bed. i wont go into to many details but basically she sufferd a major heart attack in front of my eyes, if i hadnt of skived from the last lesson to ring for an ambulence she would have died. we never told the doctors that she smoked weed, but when they ran tests afew days later they found that her viens and artierys were amazingly clear for a ciggy smoker. that means that the heart itself was damaged. the doctors said that they didnt know why her heart was damaged, but it wasnt the tabbaco. while the alcohol abuse did its damage, the weed certainly contributed.


A saddening experience, so I won't touch upon it too much. I just think it's a weak claim to relate her heart attack with marijuana at all. It could be a variety of things, such as, well, the alcohol and cigarettes, genetics, fatty foods, etc. Besides, I doubt the doctors would be able to so accurately pinpoint what didn't cause it, ie tobacco or alcohol, especially because I'm sure the alcohol and tobacco surely did have something to do with it, as it's been proven that prolonged use of both of these substances can raise the risk of heart problems.

[Seag420]

while those other things probely contributed, the weed did its damage too. all you have to do is check yer pulse like ive said to know that if you got stonned enough times over a long enough period of time, its gona do yer heart damage. yer heart is a muscle, what happens when you do enough push ups, yer bi ceps and tri ceps grow. its the same with the heart muscle

[P.E.N.G.U.I.N.]

if her blood veins were remarkably clear for a smoker...isn't that a good thing?

[MightyFourTwenty]

while those other things probely contributed, the weed did its damage too. all you have to do is check yer pulse like ive said to know that if you got stonned enough times over a long enough period of time, its gona do yer heart damage. yer heart is a muscle, what happens when you do enough push ups, yer bi ceps and tri ceps grow. its the same with the heart muscle

Not neccessarily true. That's like saying that if someone runs a lot they have a shorter life expectancy. Your heart rate increases when running, does it not?
:rolleyes:

[Seag420]

yer heartrate does increase when running, but in general someone who runs alot is going to be alot healthier than the average stonnner. also, and this is a key fact, when you get stonned you wont breath like when yer running. that means that the heart isnt getting enough oxygen, and thats not a good thing. yer hearts beating as fast as a runners but without the oxygen the runners is getting.

[420purplehaze420]

many people on this website are gona regret that they ever started tokin oneday.
wrong...i owe my life to mary jane it pulled me out of a deep depression and turned my life around

if i died tomorrow as a direct cause of weed i would be happy because with i lived a longer and better quality life than if i hadnt ever puffed my first J

[TheAtomicPunk]

Yea, I live happy everyday and smoke once a week, and it just makes it better. But i dont obsess about it everyday and yurn to smoke all the time, its just a hobby i guess. Maybe i will regret it one day, but just because i know i'll get busted by the pigs one day.

[Seag420]

you might be thankful for the herb, but alot of people ARE going to regret ever tokin oneday. most of us will probley just stop using it oneday, without any real problems, but sum people are just plain pot junkies!

[TheAtomicPunk]

Well, i guess we're all right, but you have to consider the individual, and not this will happen to all smokers, but just some.

[MightyFourTwenty]

yer heartrate does increase when running, but in general someone who runs alot is going to be alot healthier than the average stonnner. also, and this is a key fact, when you get stonned you wont breath like when yer running. that means that the heart isnt getting enough oxygen, and thats not a good thing. yer hearts beating as fast as a runners but without the oxygen the runners is getting.

Trust me, my heart gets plenty of oxygen when my heartrate increases, as does everyone elses. People, marijuana is nothing new. Saying that "oh, we'll see, only the future can tell" is ridiculous, simply because marijuana is so old and "the future" has not shown any evidence that marijuana is harmful.

Your heart will get the oxygen it requires to beat faster when you're high. I've never seen or heard of anybodies heart just giving out on them while smoking weed, or as a result of it.

[Stonedallthetime]

ANY ASS HOLE WHO THINKS MARIJUANA IS WORSE FOR HEALTH THAN TOBACCO CAN GO FUCK HIMSELF

[Seag420]

mighty 420, have you even looked for evidence about weeds harmfull effects, or are you just listening to what other stonners are telling you? type in marijuana + heart on google and look for some proof that it is NOT harmful. also, peoples hearts wont just give up on them when there stonned, its a long term problem

[TheAtomicPunk]

Okay, this threads going too far. I smoked ciggs a year, and that was not good. Then i smoked pot a year, and that had no bad side effects. Okay? No science, just experience. i feal fine.

*THREAD ENDS*

[MightyFourTwenty]

http://www.newstarget.com/007519.html
A new study found that small doses of the main ingredient in marijuana, THC, can slow the progression of hardening of arteries. Hardening of the arteries can lead to heart attacks and by preventing this you lessen your risk of having a heart attack.

Now it's your turn: find something that isn't biased or that doesn't fall under the government's propaganda that shows that marijuana is harmful to the heart. Yes, I'm sure we've all seen or heard the dumb shit the government tries to fill our heads with, but the truth of the matter is there is very little legit research being done because of the drug laws.

[Seag420]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/664296.stm. the bbc is about as anti government as you can get. also what you posted says SMALL doses of thc, alot less than we intake on a bong hit

[TheAtomicPunk]

Woah, i read that wrong. let me think...

[TheAtomicPunk]

Okay!
This is what the bbc said!

The researchers studied information on cannabis use from 3,882 middle-aged and elderly patients who had suffered heart attacks.

A total of 124 patients were identified as current users, including 37 who reported smoking the drug up to 24 hours before their attack, and nine who had used it within an hour of experiencing symptoms.

Now, out of 3,882 middle aged and elderly people, how many do you think smoke pot?
Probabley a little over than 124. So its very very likely its a coincidence

[TheAtomicPunk]

O yea, and everybody knows that Chronic increases the heart rate. bbc probabley doesnt know this, maybe they dont know those 124 people have a bad heart. And how did they smoke that?

[Seag420]

i love an optimists!

[TheAtomicPunk]

I like thinking positive!

[Nullific]

THC isn't a poison, it is virtually non-toxic. No one has died from marijuana where as 1:1,000 drinkers will die from alcohol overdose.
Smoking marijuana is not likely to cause emphysema because the smoke does not obstruct the small airways as tobacco smoke does.
There don't seem to be any actual reports of cancer linked directly to marijuana smoking. Americans have smoked marijuana for over 60 years, though it had been used for thousands of years prior. An important difference between marijuana and tobacco smoke is that marijuana smoke lacks radioactive compounds such as polonium 210.
Those are the main reasons I don't worry about significant lung damage from smoking shrub, eventually I'll vaporize or ingest but that is not economically feasible at the moment.
http://www.montananorml.org/med-myths.php3

[Seag420]

econically feasible, i like that! i was looking at emphysema suposedly caused by weed a few days ago and yer right, marijuana dosent obstruct the small airways like tabacco does, however what the info i read said was that because the force at which the weed smoke is sucked into the lungs is far greater than drawing on a cig, and also the time the smoke is kept in the lungs, means that weed smoke 'blasts' hole in the lungs. this leads to a differnt type of emphysema known as vanashing lung symdrome. while the bottom of the lungs remains intact, the upper parts simply turn from avioli(healthy airsacs) into cysts where the airsacs once were. check it out on google if yer dont belive me. if that doesnt presude you to invest in decent vaporizer, nothing will!

[MightyFourTwenty]

By all means, I think that the safest way is either through ingestion or with the use of a vaporizer. However, I don't think that marijuana as a whole is dangerous beyond lung problems, and even that is questionable for now. I doubt that any heart trouble, liver trouble, brain problems, etc. will ever occur from marijuana. That's my point.

[DuMpTrUcK]

look, this is whats been established:
achol is worse and so is tobacco
maijuana does have its negatives but none as significant
vaps, water bongs, and ingestion lessen these negatives.


oh, and seag420, the heart rate is increased only because your body has just been introduced to an excess amount of thc (meaning the body didnt make it). so the heart rate increases to get the thc out as fast as possible, this is why ppl get high after small amounts of weed, whereas tobacco it takes more and more to get the effect. also, you cannot compare weed induced heart rate increase to an exrcise induced increase, because when u exercise your is SOOO much faster, hence faster breathing, you can actually feel your heart pulsing without putting your hand over it. with weed you cant feel this pulsing but you know its there bcuz yer still alive. And even IF, when you're high (after your haert rate increase), you donnt get enough oxygen would u not feel tired or the need to sit and rest for a while? also, your heart does not get tired nor will it ever get tired, because its a cardiac muscle, just one of 3 kinds of muscles.
skeletal- provides the force of locomotion and other voluntary body movements.
smooth- lines the walls of the hollow structures of the body, such as the intestine, urinary bladder, uterus, and blood vessels. Its contraction, which is involuntary, reduces the size of these hollow organs.
cardiac- This type of muscle only exists in your heart. Unlike other types of muscle, cardiac muscle never gets tired. It works automatically and constantly without ever pausing to rest. Cardiac muscle contracts to squeeze blood out of your heart, and relaxes to fill your heart with blood.

in conclusion, weed is better. we'll leave at this becuase while debating over the net is fun, but it is also very pointless as nothing will come of it.

[partyguy420]

u know what... i havent realy seen any posts on the first page saying anything about maybe that weed and alcohal will maybe has the same affects on your body as the other one, but then agin, lets think about this, its alot easyer to smoke pot in your room with out worring about empty beer cans, and usaly when i drink, i have to take a ride with sum one to the store, then get drunk sum were around the store, then get back home(thank god i dont have a drivers lisence.) and when u get high, most ppls dont get in fights, as to were if u pound back a few beers, u start to get cocky, and think that u can start kicking ass, and the worst thing alcohal has ever done to me so far is, i had in pared vison, and fucked sum fat ugly whore, and ended up having to pay for a abotion. and on top of me having to pay for the abortion, i had to put NIX on my balls. so realy i prefre smoking a joint then drinking











P.S. im just kiding about getting a girl pregeanet, althu i did end up with crabs from fucking a fat ugly whore.

[sharpezor]

I personaly find it really hard to deal with the after effects of alcohol. I am extra sensitive to headaches. Getting shit faced, dizzy as fuck, trippin over shit and puking aint my idea of fun. I like weed, the only after effect is a mild burn out and its relaxing.

Is the high weaker with a vape?

I'm not a doctor, but with the heartrate thing, just drinking a couple cups of coffee can have about the same effects, nothing to worry about.

[MightyFourTwenty]

Is the high weaker with a vape?

It's not necessarily "weaker", but it's a different sorta high. I get good body buzzes off from them.

[Reefer Rogue]

This Seag420 guy's a nark! :p

Nah, you're spouting proper bullshit, alcohol is far worse than weed, the same goes with tobacco. You can argue about all your 'increased heart rate' and the way you suck the bong harder than a cig' :rolleyes: It's funny how no-one agrees with you, yet you think you're so right. Suck up your pride and admit you're wrong. I will never regret smoking the herb, never.

[Sinsemilla Jones]

It's hard to believe that the government(s) would tell the most ridiculous lies about cannabis/hemp/marijuana, and that the press would believe them and keep repeating the lies, even long after they've been proven lies.
:rolleyes:

But it's been going on for almost 100 years now, ever since fine upstanding white people in America, many of whom took cannabis medications or even smoked hashish, discovered by way of sensational headlines, that many black and hispanic folks smoked a violent sex crime causing drug called marihuana.
:eek:

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=34348
;)

[Zohar]

This Seag420 guy's a nark! :p

Nah, you're spouting proper bullshit, alcohol is far worse than weed, the same goes with tobacco. You can argue about all your 'increased heart rate' and the way you suck the bong harder than a cig' :rolleyes: It's funny how no-one agrees with you, yet you think you're so right. Suck up your pride and admit you're wrong. I will never regret smoking the herb, never.

Quoted for truth. If justthinktwice.com had a forum, I'd say post there =D. But seriously, although there are some harmful effects associated with weed (key ones being psycological disorders in suseptible people) it's a lot less harmful then alcohol. Weed also isn't really a poison like alcohol, it's a chemical that activates receptors in your brain. Alcohol is a poison that your liver tries to remove =P

[SENSESFAIL]

i just say quit bitchin, if people dont want to smoke then let them, its there choice.

[Shai Hulud]

Seag420,

THC is not toxic in any real sense of the word. I mean, water is toxic is very large dosages, but I've never seen anyone touting the dangers of drinking water. There are millions of pot smokers in the world, and none of them have ever died (as far as I know) from something directly related to marijuana use. You can't say that about virtually ANY other drug. Even stuff like Tylenol! People O/D on OTC medications all the time, and these aren't made illegal. Why not?

NO ONE here is saying that using marijuana is harmless. In fact, when used frequently in large doses for a long period of time, it probably does have negative consequences. What the government needs to do is sponsor more legitimate scientific research about the effects of using marijuana instead of just spreading propaganda. That way, people could know the safe amounts to use and at what point they were seriously risking their health.

Also, a lot of stoners are unhealthy simply because they don't exercise much. Like any habit that involves a lot of sitting around and doing nothing, smoking pot is NOT going to get you into tip-top shape. But you know what? I accept that, because I think the benefits of using marijuana outweigh the health risks.

[Seag420]

first off, to shai hulud, i never said thc is toxic. there are over 60 cannaboids in cannabis, as far as i know non of them are toxic. its the other 200+ negative chemicals in the plant itself (when burnt) that are toxic. when any plant is burnt it gives off toxic fumes, so use a vap and save yer lungs guys. but then u say that no one has ever died from weed. i remember reading a thread started by koesha (i think it was) a few months ago saying his best friends dad, who never smoked tabacco and only smoked pot (heavily) was diagnosed with lung cancer. just because there havent been any recorded deaths, doesnt mean there havent been any. and has anybody on here even checked any medical archives to make sure no one has died from the herb? oh and refer rouge, r u a doctor, no, didnt think so, if the medical professional who have done studys on this say that sucking on a bong for year after year can cause emphysema, i think i'll listen to them over you. also if im a narc, im the first pot smoking narc ive ever heard of! and dumptruck, of corse the heart can eventually become tired, IF its overused. i love pissing you guys off

[TheAtomicPunk]

haha honestly Seag420, you do your job well :p

[Seag420]

i do try!

[homerj14]

this is a pro cannabis board.. not a board where we compare the negative aspects of marijuana... if they are any that is...

[Shai Hulud]

Seag420,

I know that smoking anything, including cannabis, is not conducive to health. I think most people on this board would accept that. Vaporization/eating/making tea greatly reduces the toxins in cannabis. I'm sure this isn't complete elimination, but honestly who cares? People imbibe small amounts of toxins ALL THE TIME. In their drinking water, in the pesticides used to make their foods. Whatever.

The point is not that there are absolutely positively zero negative consequences of toking up every day for twenty years. The point is that it is almost infinitely more healthful to do this than to do the same with either tobacco or alcohol.

I have actually tried to find some cases of death-by-cannabis and have been pretty unsuccessful. Everything I've found, with the exception of one case, involved a mixing of drugs or indirect cause of death such as a car crash while under the influence. The one exception I mention involves Lee Maisey, who died at 36 after 11 years of smoking about six joints a day. The coroner was unable to find a cause of death and so claimed it was "probable cannabis toxicity." Other people reviewing the case said it was not a valid conclusion to pin the death on cannabis.

http://www.norml.org.nz/article383.html

The fact of the matter is, if cannabis is as deadly as all the narcs say it is, there should be some deaths directly resulting from its use, and there aren't any.

[Reefer Rogue]

oh and refer rouge, r u a doctor, no, didnt think so, if the medical professional who have done studys on this say that sucking on a bong for year after year can cause emphysema, i think i'll listen to them over you. also if im a narc, im the first pot smoking narc ive ever heard of! and dumptruck, of corse the heart can eventually become tired, IF its overused. i love pissing you guys off

LOL if the heart is over used, you're chattin such bullshit. Do you know how many times your heart beats a day? I'm not a doc, so i wouldn't know ;) By the way it's Reefer Rogue, get it right. This thread is about why Cannabis is better for you then alcohol. It's already been proven many times in this thread so i'm not gonna waste my time. Link me to this 'medical study' where it says sucking on a bong CAN cause emphazema, not WILL. If you do actually smoke, then chill out, stop trying to wind people up, admit you're wrong and smoke a bowl. Peace.

[MightyFourTwenty]

first off, to shai hulud, i never said thc is toxic. there are over 60 cannaboids in cannabis, as far as i know non of them are toxic. its the other 200+ negative chemicals in the plant itself (when burnt) that are toxic. when any plant is burnt it gives off toxic fumes, so use a vap and save yer lungs guys. but then u say that no one has ever died from weed. i remember reading a thread started by koesha (i think it was) a few months ago saying his best friends dad, who never smoked tabacco and only smoked pot (heavily) was diagnosed with lung cancer. just because there havent been any recorded deaths, doesnt mean there havent been any. and has anybody on here even checked any medical archives to make sure no one has died from the herb? oh and refer rouge, r u a doctor, no, didnt think so, if the medical professional who have done studys on this say that sucking on a bong for year after year can cause emphysema, i think i'll listen to them over you. also if im a narc, im the first pot smoking narc ive ever heard of! and dumptruck, of corse the heart can eventually become tired, IF its overused. i love pissing you guys off


Just to let you know, water bongs filter about 30% of what you smoke, so it's a pretty good filter system. Also, look around for yourself. There are NO recorded deaths/diagnosis of cancer purely from just marijuana use, heavy or not. NO ONE HAS "DIED FROM THE HERB", and Koesha's best friend's dad did not get lung cancer solely from smoking marijuana.
Remember, cigarettes have RADIOACTIVE ingredients, which marijuana does not have. This is probably a big reason why marijuana doesn't cause cancer like cigarettes do.
And no, the heart does not wear out from smoking marijuana. Saying that it does is not only an unfounded claim, but an absurd one at that when your argument is based solely upon "Oh, your heart rate quickens. so therefor for heart gets tired and says fuck you." If this was true, then joggers would be dieing left and right. And as for them getting more oxygen while RUNNING than I do while SITTING? Untrue. The oxygen they DO get is going to use keeping their muscles going good.

[TheAtomicPunk]

Just smokeith it. Its natural, it hasnt hurt me at all the last two years, but incase, i'll vaporize it? Are we all done preaching the goods and bads?

[Seag420]

sorry about me bitchin the past few days, but i'll put it down to the fact this is the longest ive gone without the sweet sweet cheeba in, well in 6 or so years, so my apologies. lets just hope im wrong, and your all right

[Seag420]

oh and reefer rouge, happy birthday, its mine on saturday

[Melton420]

i like both

[rajking86]

Mrdevious deserves a standing ovation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D

[jmdogg88]

no hangovers.

[TheAtomicPunk]

haha jmdogg88. i Just laughed because it was that random. Seag420, i'm sorry you havent smoked in that long :( but good job! i know i wouldnt be able to accomplish that :p

[Seag420]

the worst part about me not toking in ages isnt because of a lack of weed, i got plenty, and its top class skunk. a guy i know a work gets it from amsterdam. it just takes will power - a whole lota will power!