Help with First Indoor Grow. [Archive] - Green Grass Forums

WeedyBoyWonder

10-09-2005, 01:13 PM

First time Growing weed for me, and i know fuck all about it. Please im asking you cleaver guys to help me out.
Im going for a simple grow basicly, just a plant and a light. I dont know anything, and if anyone could give me like a guide to growing indoors from the very begining, simple but usful one. I would be very appreachateve. Or just share any knowlegde, please do...

BobBong

10-09-2005, 01:48 PM

There is a vast bank of growing knowledge here.. you just need to know how to use it. We can't really help ya out without specific problems or things you need help with. My best.. very best advice for you...and ANYONE that's taken the time to consider growing.

Buy a Book.

A Marijuana Growing Book.

There are so many things (very basic things) that you'll need to know. These very basic things aren't things that need 3 or 4 opinions about (lighting cycle,growing medium..etc). So go get a book! borrow one, buy one.. or download one. It's the only way to go!

Also check out the FAQ's and some other people's setups to give you ideas.

Cheers! Bob.

WeedyBoyWonder

10-09-2005, 01:51 PM

Ok yea, i guess thanks. I just dont have time, i searched about a bit, but like i didnt really get any help. I did look, didnt expect here to just come and bum off your all knowledge. But please can you help...?

Lighting? 1 plant, indoors. Setup? roughly...
Simple Germenating

Then i can find out about lighting times and all that...

BobBong

10-09-2005, 02:21 PM

If you don't have the time to read about it. then you don't have the time to do it. It's all about the pre-germination preperation. It's a time consuming, resource consuming hobby that doesn't always produce 4 or 5 ounces per plant.

If you jump head first into the water.. there's no garuntee's you'll re-surface. ..If you know what i mean.

You'll find alot of the answers to your questions on these boards.. you just have to look for them. There's a Search option you can use to search keywords.. try things like "Germination" and "Light Cycles" ...stuff like that. check out the FAQ's. there's alot of answers around you.. you just gotta look :)

Happy hunting :) and if you are really stuck..of course you can ask.

WeedyBoyWonder

10-09-2005, 02:39 PM

Lol thanks. I made another thread in Basic Growing to. I have learnt alor more since i posted this. But if you can help me out in that thread... please so :)

mand

10-09-2005, 02:44 PM

Hello W :) here's my simple set up, very basic but it works ;) ........

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=28597

You ask the questions and if I can help, I will ;)

love mand xxx :)

SeedKing72

10-09-2005, 03:12 PM

we will surely try to help, but it takes alot of effort by you also.. there are plenty of grow books in the bookstore.. if you ask specific questions.. we can help..

WeedyBoyWonder

10-09-2005, 05:54 PM

Thanks all for your help.

Ok, please answer this...
If im growing indoors, just 1 plant, in a closet/cuboard, what lights should i have? I dont know what bud im growing yet just some seeds i got in my weed. Im just testing out, so i have no desire to kane all my money on it. So lights... and errr where can i find out about the times the lights should be on and off? And when do i have to change that time?

mand

10-09-2005, 06:21 PM

Hello W :) Firstly you are planning to grow some seeds that you found in you're weed, personally love I would have to say don't bother with them as they are highly unlikely to have been pollinated so nothing will grow.
Seeds can be found in unpollinated plants, I had a few in my last grow.
The good news is you come from England and seeds are perfectly legal here so I would recomend buying Sensi seeds, you can get these from grow shops, market stalls, mail order or direct on line :) .................
http://www.sensiseeds.com/ml/shop.asp?MainLev=0

As for lights, well they do cost, that can't be escaped I'm affraid :(
I use a combination of Metal Halide for the vegitive growing.......this is run on a cycle of 18 hours on 6 hours off.
When inducing flowering I use a High Pressure Sodium bulb and this is run on a 12 hours on and 12 hours off cycle.
As for other forms of lighting the guys on here would have to tell you about that, as I have a very limited knowledge of them.

One thought you might consider doing W, if you really don't want to go into exspense, then try outdoor growing. The problem is we have a short growing season for cannabis in the UK, which means that you would have to start you're plants next year in springtime and would be harvesting around the end of next September/early October. It can be done I did my very first crop like that :)

A good variety for growing outdoors in the UK is Mexican Sativa which is also cheap at around Â£10 for 30 seeds, and does produce quite a reasonable bud ;)

love mand xxx :)

WeedyBoyWonder

10-09-2005, 06:26 PM

Ok thanks alot.

When you say 'vegitive growing' do you mean like, as it just growing, before buds start to form? then when they form you change your light? Can i just one light and use that all the way though? Like does it REALLY matter? Im just looking for simple bud here, nothing to deep.
Errm and can you not tell if there female untill the so big? I have seen pics of how to tell... but is there no other way of knowing before you start propper growing it?
Also if you can just tell me the name for the best light i would kneed, that would be awesome. Thanks again for your help.

mand

10-09-2005, 07:01 PM

Well W :) for using just one light I have to qoute what Zandor says about it..................."If you could only buy one it should be HPS with one of the enhanced spectrum HPS bulbs. The do offer a color shifted bulb that produces blue spectrum that is good for vegetative growth and they still have the red spectrum for flower".

My thought would be to just go with a Metal Halide for a single light, however I'm not going to even try and go against zandors advice, he is a lot more advanced in his growing than I am.

The Vegitive growing W, is the growing period where we trick the plant into believing it is Summer, and by having a light running 18 hours a day this does that job ;) but the plant does need light from the blue end of the light spectrum to do this growing well, so we choose a light that can provide enough blue light to do this :)

A plant will not develop buds untill it believes that it is time to do so, we make it think that Winter is coming by cutting it's light down to 12 hours a day ;)
However to get the plant to produce the best buds, it really needs light from the red end of the spectrum, thats why we choose a light that can deliver this.
The MH bulb provides light from the blue end of the spectrum which is ideal for vegitive growth.
The HPS bulb provides light from the red end of the spectrum which is ideal for the flowering.

Honestly W it's not as complicated as it sounds, if I can grow then anyone can ;)

love mand xxx :)

Oh by the way light is made up of all different colours, humans can only see white light.................the red and blue ones are there we just can't see them ;)

WeedyBoyWonder

10-09-2005, 07:07 PM

Hell that helpped alot. Thanks, thanks alot. :D

I may be back to ask more :P

WeedyBoyWonder

10-09-2005, 08:16 PM

I need it to be a fairly small plant really, just 1 in a cupboard.
Would need to be a weed suitable for indoor growing, oviously.
Anything else like THC content, or sativa/Indica is up to you...
Also would deffinatly prefer a quicker process, so one that is qick to grow and bud, compared to a longer growing seed.

Please post like the status for that weed if you post, like the info about it. e.g

Packet contain 10 seeds

Âº Plant height: Tall Plant
Âº Stoned or high?: High SATIVA
Âº THC level: High THC
Âº Flowering Weeks: 10/12
Âº Yield : 350/400
Âº Harvest Month: 9/10

also can someone tell me What Flowering Weeks is? I know thats when its growing, but like what is 10/12? And the same with Harvest Month 9/10?

Marc Benson

10-09-2005, 08:54 PM

Lowryder. Do a search and you'll find lots of info on it.

mand

10-10-2005, 02:00 PM

also can someone tell me What Flowering Weeks is? I know thats when its growing, but like what is 10/12? And the same with Harvest Month 9/10?

Hello W :) Well I would presume that the figures quoted above are for an outdoor variety, the 10/12 refers to the number of weeks the plant requires to flower before harvest. The harvest month 9/10 refers to the month when harvest should normally take place, ie.......... September/October.
However when growing in doors these figures are redundant. Personally I never take the slightest notice of any figures for flowering periods at all, I just go by how the plants are looking ;) .............just my prefered way :)

A small plant ?, well to be honest W, any plant can be a small one. With growing in doors you can determine when you wish to start inducing.
My average size plant at harvest is about one metre high, that is the size I prefer to grow, which means I usually induce flowering by switching to the 12/12 light cycle at about half a metre in height.
I have found that any less in height does reduce the yeild of the plant and any taller doesn't really yeild too much more ;)
However this is down to personal preference and different growers grow different sized plants.

A nice easy growing plant with a reasonably potent bud is the one I am growing at present, Sensi seeds Skunk#1. you can grow to a height of around half a metre, start inducing and end up with a fair amount of bud on a plant around a metre high.

love mand xxx :)

SeedKing72

10-10-2005, 02:57 PM

I suggest the following and I do this with trepidation.. I am guessing your budget is small and your space is small and you just want to grow some tomatoes for your own salad, your not opening a victory garden or a vegetable stand... Compact Flourescents or regular ole cool white flourescents (40Watt 4 feet,etc..).. Don't use sack weed, Now I am sure you could get some sack weed that is good, but why waste your first grow on that risk.. Get some inexpensive Nirvana seeds... get a strain that is a so called idiot proof strain.. I would reccomend any Northern Light strain (NL5, Big Buds, etc..).. If you have the money for a good light... go to HTGSupply.com and get yourself a budget light you can get a 400WATT HPS for $119.00. Consider this a INVESTMENT, you will grow better and more tomatoes with the right light.. thus you will get your money back.. considering how much an ounce of tomatoes cost.. Google is your friend, also check OVERGROW.COM

WeedyBoyWonder

10-11-2005, 03:14 PM

Ok thanks guys very much.

I have one more REALLY important question....

I dont have fuck all money. What is the CHEAPEST, best light to use. Could i use one light all the way though... i know i can, but what is best? Please, i need to know the best light type to use, if i was going to use that all the way though. And one that is cheap, i only really have like Â£25 to buy a light with....

SeedKing72

10-11-2005, 03:26 PM

Your gonna need more MONEY!!! 40Watt 4 foot fixtures, cheap!

WeedyBoyWonder

10-11-2005, 03:49 PM

well, i dont got more money!

:( :( :(

BUZz UK

10-11-2005, 04:16 PM

lol, unlucky...neither do I :(

WeedyBoyWonder

10-11-2005, 04:22 PM

Heyyyy, grow mate!

turtle420

10-11-2005, 05:25 PM

Well,if you ain't got money right now...

Buy the CFLs (flouros)... but PLAN on buy a better light for your plant(s). If you try to bud with the CFLs you're going to get jack-shit (from what I understand).

crashdamage

10-11-2005, 05:31 PM

Marc Benson

10-11-2005, 05:32 PM

You could go cheap and buy a few CFL's and then throw a few more in when you get some extra cash but seriously by the time you get done buying a bunch of cfl's you could buy an hps from places like insidesun dot com. Or they have an econo 250 for $75 plus S&H. Then just use the cfl's for veg (you could veg sufficiently with 4 43 watters if you place them around the plant not just on top of it) and when you throw it into flower blast it with the hps and keep the cfl's in there too and kick some butt. You would have about $150 in the whole setup. That's about as cheap as I think you could do it for and still do it well.

turtle420

10-11-2005, 05:38 PM

$75 + S&H for an HPS!

WeedyBoyWonder, now you know what you must do.

4 CFLs for veg
4 CFLs + HPS for flowers

Now that would make you WeedyBoyWonder!

SeedKing72

10-11-2005, 05:52 PM

I think the CFL's are gonna cost just as much in the long run.. What do they cost? What Wattage are we talking..

Marc Benson

10-11-2005, 06:23 PM

The reason I suggested CFL's is because he could buy a few now to get things going and then as he got a few extra bucks buy a couple more. Then by the time 12/12 rolls around have enough maybe saved up for the hps.

SeedKing72

10-11-2005, 06:29 PM

Yeah go with the CFL's,

mand

10-11-2005, 06:44 PM

Hey mand... lots of good info here, and not to nit-pik...but I have a question about seeds "unlikely to have been pollinated". Iâ??m not an expert on plant biology, but i believe pollination has to occur in order for a plant to produce seed ( fruit, of course, can still be produced, thatâ??s how one gets seedless grapes, among others). If you have a seed, it should have all the genetic material needed to produce a viable plant.
Therefore the reason for the seed not germinating must be due to other factors, perhaps if the seed pods not being mature enuf when harvested for them to have completely formed, or not the right temperature, do you think?

Hello Crashdamage :) Well as I was writting I thought oo-err shall I say this :o
You see I'm not 100% certain about it, I can only speak from personal experience. I am of the mind that a plant will on occasion produce un-pollinated seeds. I say this because I have not had many seeds in my crops, but of the few I have had I am utterly convinced there were no male flowers at all.
The last crop I grew produced the most seeds I have ever had, two of the plants produced around a dozen seeds between them and I am absolutely positive that there were no male flowers anywhere, I may be wrong but I don't think so.
I really don't have enough knowledge about the subject to say ethier way 100%

I tend to think of it this way, I have in the past kept chickens (I know it's not the same thing but just humor me ;) :) ). Anyway all the chickens were female, no cockerall's at all, and yet during the summer the chickens laid eggs everyday, totally unferterlised, which is what chickens do ;)
A broody chicken could sit on one of these eggs forever and it would never hatch because it was simply a baren egg.

Therefore I really do think that the odd plant will produce un-pollunated baren seeds.

Anyway C :) thats my theory, right or wrong I'm not a 100%...........why do I think I'm digging a big hole for myself here :o :)

love mand xxx :)

Marc Benson

10-11-2005, 07:25 PM

Cluck cluck cluck! Scratch scratch scratch! Ya know I love ya Mand.

BUZz UK

10-12-2005, 12:01 PM

You don't quite understand the situation; We have NO money, lol.

WeedyBoyWonder

10-12-2005, 12:03 PM

Yea no Dolla. What are we gonna go?

Can you just tell us, what should we do if we only have like Â£25 each to get lights and that. Can a plant not bud if you only got Fluorescent lights?

WeedyBoyWonder

10-12-2005, 12:21 PM

Ok basicly the situation is:

We have very little money
We got some seeds, and are germenating them right now.
Once they sprout, basicly were fucked.
We have a grow room, all tinfoild up, and sorted read for growing.
We can get soil and pots, thats not an issue.
Just we got no lights... and not alot of money.
The seeds could sprout very soon, and we dont know what the fuck were gonna do.
We can afford any light that requires a balast we dont have that sort of money.
So basicly.. help us please.

turtle420

10-12-2005, 12:50 PM

My suggestion? Take your 25 pounds [pounds, right?] and buy CFLs.

Then, start washing cars, mowing lawns, walking dogs, etc... and gather up enough money to buy a HPS. From what I understand, you're going to get diddly-squat of flowers with CFLs.

BTW: Can't you save money by not buy any more weed? Hmm... No weed now, more weed later.

That sounds good for you guys... C'mon! Every morning, recite:
No weed now, more weed later!

WeedyBoyWonder

10-12-2005, 02:49 PM

I cant do no weed now. I have smoked a joint everyday for atleast the last 6 months. Bar about 5 to 10. For ovious reasons... not having weed now, i dont think i can do.

Haggiz

10-12-2005, 03:32 PM

Mate, I didn't understand any of that but at Homebase you can get like two 100w CFLs and connections for like Â£16

crashdamage

10-12-2005, 04:40 PM

mand wrote : The last crop I grew produced the most seeds I have ever had, two of the plants produced around a dozen seeds between them and I am absolutely positive that there were no male flowers anywhere, I may be wrong but I don't think so.
I think that may be a sign that someone else in your 'hood has a few boys around. Pollen is both wind and insect borne, so if there is a little boy plant anywhere in the area, nature will find a way...

and yeah, we love ya mand, i esp like your chicken/egg analogy :-), since our girls produce "eggs" as well ( but are called an Ovule in a plant ) http://www.zephyrus.co.uk/seedformation.html

Anyway, I digress... on the original lighting question, I went with a Tek-light High Output system, which seems to be doing a decent job, even tho is only 96 watts.The entire set up was about $170. I know its still over your stated budget now, weedboy, but using turtles advice, you can get a start.

WeedyBoyWonder

10-12-2005, 07:10 PM

any more advise... please?!

latewood

10-12-2005, 09:52 PM

I have cfl's 4x45,,,400w MH 250 and 1000 w hps...the only option with 25 bucks is go to walmart and buy 2 45 watt cfl's and 2 light fixtures off the next aisle and wire it up...
If you can't do that, then forget growing, because these lights you might get 1/2-1 ounce in 4 months...and growing is alot of work, well maybe not for 1 plant, but if you want to be successful, you have to tend them everyday, Yes, I am trying to talk you out of growing...You don't have the time or money!

WeedyBoyWonder

10-13-2005, 01:50 PM

Hell i certainly got the time. Time is not an issue. I do nothing, everyday. And love it, looking after what i love would make it alot better... i just dont have the Â£.

WeedyBoyWonder

10-13-2005, 02:19 PM

Ok, are seeds are almost sprouting, by tonite they will be done, easy. But we have no lights yet.

Will they be ok, just sitting in the pots, without lights for like a week or so?

WeedyBoyWonder

10-14-2005, 01:19 PM

anybody?

crashdamage

10-16-2005, 06:49 PM

Any seedling that does not get sufficient light is prone to etiolation, where the plants phototropism causes it to st-rrrrrr-etch itself in an effort to put its leaves closer to the light source. You then end up with tall stringy looking things with very tiny leaves that often end up falling over .

Give the seedlings the maximum light that you can muster up, and good luck

WeedyBoyWonder

10-16-2005, 07:45 PM

Ok, well we have a new plan. Were just going to wait till the 20th and buy a HPS light. I planted my germenated seeds today (16th) do you think they will be alrite just in the pots untill then? please reply asap.

jettazz

10-16-2005, 10:05 PM

for me it took about 3 days for the plant to pop out of dirt after being germinated in papertowels so you might be O.K, or maybe you could put them by a window if they do pop out before you get your light. Be sure not to put the hps too close to the seedlings or they'll fry up in no time. It's better to start farther away and then gradually go closer as you see fit.

keep the soil moist but not soaking wet until they sprout, you can put saran wrap over the pots using toothpicks to prop the wrap up to help keep moisture in and you can also see if anything sprouted.

Thats all for now