The "Madman goes Aero" building thread

[latewood]

I would like to request that you view, but, PLEASE DO NOT reply to this thread until I can finish Phaze1 tonight :) I would like to post all the build in real-time order before we start comments. Thanks, for all your cooperation ahead of time! :cool:

I have been threatening to build a system. Well, I started tonight. I am going to build the 1st Phaze of a 3-4 Phaze system; that will be powered by a 600 gph 1/2 hp clear water pump.. I am tired of lugging water and nute solution around twice a week and I need to become more automated, to make it easier to run my grow; just in case I have to leave for a couple of weeks.

Phaze1 will be an aero system consisting of 2-10 gallon totes w/drains and 2 pipe dreams aero sprinkler heads each. I will use 2-5 inch netpots each with hydroton or lava rock...I haven't decided yet. I am going to build this system with supplies that can be found at home depot or other large warehouse facilities.

I will post 5 pix at a time with brief details of each
Tonight the pictures consist of:
1. 10g sterlite tub marked to diameter of drain
2. use a good sharp (heavy) knife or jigsaw, and take your time in order to be accurate...you want the drain to fit snugly when you are done.
3. Hole cut and drain components laid out...
4. Make sure to pay attention and install friction ring correctly so as not to pinch rubber washer...
5. Timeout. I found a crack from cutting bottom. :( I will try a fix using aquarium sealant from Wally's and a piece of the plastic that I cut out for drain hole and fabricated this piece to fit around drain.

I will be posting question's that pop up in my head, while I post pix...
A Q...Will it be ok to use stainless steel drain, instead of plastic? No, don't answer...wait :)

[latewood]

6. OK, patch in place drain tightened down...wait and see if it holds :rolleyes:
I might look for plastic drains...
7. Drain installed and holes cut in top for 5 inch netpots...
8. I cut a piece of Panda Plastic to fit tub-top and added 1-2 inches excess to wrap around sides and tape...
9. Use 1/2 roll width tape and tape plastic snugly to underside of tub-top...
10. Cut small pie shaped sections to open up netpot holes, trim plastic back wrap inside and tape edge of hole with 1/4 width tape...

Looks like I need to make some coffee...despite downsizing pix, it is taking a while to upload each set of pix

I was going to start from scratch on this system, but decided to be frugle and use tubs and totes that I had laying around...

My list of parts to buy; include valves for feeding and draining, pvc and, hand tightening compression fittings, t's and 90's...

[latewood]

11. Holes taped pots fit nicely, now for the pot-lids...
12. Drain/side view of tub...
13. Wrapped pot-lid in plastic and although they are not installed, this is the location of the 2 sprinkler heads...They will be mounted pointing down...
14. I got these sprinkler heads at the hydro store...they are replacements for a pipe dreams 32v stadium type system...I never would have thought to use heads this size, but when I pulled out a netpot and looked at the spray this little sucker produces , I bought 6 :cool:
15. This is the heart of my system...1/2 hp 600 gph clear water pump...

This pump raises another Q...Will it be alright to run acidic nutrient solutions through this pump? Wait! Don't answer! The box says that this pump is suitable for handling clean water not containing abrasive particles and fluids which are not chemically aggressive to the pump components. So, Q2 would be; Are acidic nutrient solutions chemically aggressive to this pump? Wait! Don't answer, Thanks :) :cool:

[latewood]

Me and the 'ol lady just got back from getting some supplies for the :cool: Mad Man
Here are some pictures of all the little playthings we brought home to assemble :D
1. This is all we got, this is all the hardware, I believe I need to supply a 6 site aero system...With a bit of overkill... :eek: NOTE; The shelving cost about $25 bucks...it is 4 foot by 2 foot and ,yes, Harddon, you could jump on it. :D roh'ware lmao...got it with the coated shelf for the units to sit on. So the AC floor register will not be blocked...
2. Once we got in the irrigation area of Hopot...I was found by a very helpful young disciple, who really got into helping us spend money...So, I bought this electronic manifold and this neat six system timer/controller...well, so much for building my manifold... :rolleyes: that was tough...$80 bucks for both
3.you all know what this "schtuff is: lego's...Oh, the books I have accumulated for projects that I have going...bought sprinklers tonight...$20 bucks...I did find and buy 2 plastic drains :)
4. The drain system and "schtuff"

Well enough for now...Thanks all for allowing me to continue to Post this tutorial; without interruption...This is going to be a nice system :p :) :D

[Stormcooker]

looks like a lot of work. You could just have gotten the American Hydroponics "Baby Blomer" and been done with it. Yeah it's ebb n' flow but it's fast, effecient, and yields BIG when you know what you're doing. Cost way under $200


1st week flowering, 35 days from seed

[turtle420]

Latewood,

Keep on the FAQ/Guide quality posts. They are very intersting and plenty of usefull. When you're done with this thread/topic, ask one of the moderators to copy/paste the entire thread for you and give you editing capabilities/priviledges. That way, you can erase all the posts you don't want, even this one. Sorry I posted man, but maybe you don't continue if you don't read this inspirational tip... Dude, keep it up!

[HUGEBUDS]

KEEP THE THEAD GOING GREAT JOB

[latewood]

I will be adding/moving forward to/with this thread, for those of you interested...I have been notified by Zandor that I can move pertinent posts to faq without the replies! So let's have fun, but keep in mind I may not always reply to you until I can use a throwaway post...I'll be back...

[latewood]

I am go to build a simple system first, without the use of my 3x electronic manifold/timer...Don't worry I will be adding this later...So, I am going to do the first 2 tubs of a multiple tub system...these tubs are multi-funtional, i.e.
...we are building an aeroponic system, we could also use continual flow drip method, or by incorporating a cut-off valve; we convert system to dumpable DWC reservoirs :smokin: :D

After getting into the middle of putting this system together, I found the need for a few more parts. Converting this old bathroom into pumproom/water station, veg room, cloning station...That is another thread, but you will be seeing some things changing as we build system, the room awakens, and becomes functional...Enjoy :dance:

1. needed more parts, 2-3 valves, a drain conversion, and some gluable t's and endcaps...
2. Here, I threw it all in a box and "AWAY WE GO"...

3. Converting Old Bathroom...notice: drain system attached and tubs placed on wood frame support...
4. Drain system test...

5. Tubs hold water, drain seals work...

[latewood]

1. We decided to recycle this 10 gallon 4 site dwc tub for our res...

2. Mounted pump to angle iron brackets...

3. OK, Here is where we ran into a problem! :( ... Pump would not draw water efficiently if at all with pump mounted on res. support so...

4. We put the pump just above res. level and dry-fitted one nipple on pipe tall enough to 90 over top of reservoirs and ran a pump test...

5. Pump test worked, LOTS and LOTS of water pressure...You'll see :thumbsup:...So, I cut 4 almost even (fist width) pieces of pipe to build my manifold with...

[latewood]

...over 20 inches...so we did a pump test, it worked :thumbsup:, so...

1. It is important to de-burr all your PVC after you cut it, to provide a better seal when you glue system together...

2. Get all your manifold pcs. together and start assembly...

3. We dry-fitted pcs. together and 90'd over to test it out...

4. :smokin: Check out the round water mounds on the wall... :D...
...............wwweeeeeeeee...........
I found this very motivating :dance: :dance: :dance:

[latewood]

...see what we think :cool:...
I hope that these head can providethe oxygen needed to grow MONGO'SIZE
root systems :p

[latewood]

...the pump...from the res to pump inlet/frompump outle to manifold...

1. This is the basic water/nutrient supply line/w 4 line manifold

2. Notice the angle slightly up from towards 90, then up...Notice the 90 foot
in the res...this this helps to draw fluids lessening the chance of creating a vortex effect if the water level gets low...

3. ...up and 90 over to manifold...Notice shelf 4' shelf supports used to brace up manifold...

4. I put tubs back in place and thought, here is a nice view of the delivery/drain system...

5. After I put every thing together; I realized that not all of you are handy:oyet, so I thought I would introduce you to pressure fittings in the drain system... :thumbsup:

[latewood]

IMHO PVC is not that hard to deal with, so I dry-fitted...

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...the pump...from the res to pump inlet/frompump outle to manifold...

1. This is the basic water/nutrient supply line/w 4 line manifold

2. Notice the angle slightly up from towards 90, then up...Notice the 90 foot
in the res...this this helps to draw fluids lessening the chance of creating a vortex effect if the water level gets low...

3. ...up and 90 over to manifold...Notice shelf 4' shelf supports used to brace up manifold...

4. I put tubs back in place and thought, here is a nice view of the delivery/drain system...

5. After I put every thing together; I realized that not all of you are handyyet, so I thought I would introduce you to pressure fittings in the drain system...

[latewood]

1. ...push it on 3/4 to an inch onto pipe...

2. insert drainpipe into coupler, tighten, and drain is complete.

3. Supply system/Drain system.

4. In order to attach 1-1/2 inch dump valve to plastic drain pipe...we must do a conversion; we found a 1-1/2 PVC compression fitting that will slide right over 1-1/2PVC coupler...

5. Now we are ready to attach dump valve...It took 3-4 trips :( to H'ware, then feed store, where I found the :) 'schtuff', for this conversion.

[latewood]

1. ...and snug on valve...now we know our conversion fits properly, so take it apart and...

2. ...connect it to drain system (remember to slide on coupler, then compression ring 3/4 to an inch, so a s not to bind or crimp it)...

3. Now add conversion coupler and PVC valve...

4. OK...Now we have a nice drain system and a dump valve...or is it?..

5. MY 'Special Feature'...If you close off valve, then you have a ................
....Drumrolllll; PLEASE!!! Dumpable Deep Water Culture System...NO MORE...
...BACKBREAKING, res changes :) :dance:

[latewood]

1. ...put the sprinkler couplings/lines/heads on the manifold :smokin:

2. screw on 1/4 inch line nipples...

3. Lines attached...we put a T here; This allows us to expand system or to add a watering station on end...we have already drilled a 1/4 inch hole and slipped 1/4' hose thru hole...

4. barbed sprinkler heads attached to 1/4' hose.

5. System complete...:p, Or is it :confused:

OK, I need to stop here :( ...Houston, We have a problem :cool:)
Well, I knew I had a lot of power from this 600gph, 1/2hp external pump, but
I did not know how that would effect my system...
When I primed pump and turned it all on, it took 20-30 seconds to pump up pressurand then wwweeeeee... water pumping, misting everywhere, and the hhissssssssssss of fine jet misting :D :D :D
Then came the pulsating wine of the pump struggling :(...I let it run for about a minute and it sounded like it was having a brown-out... :(...Well, I shut it off. It turns out; the sprinklers didn't allow enough flow to properly relieve pressure off the feed lines and bogged the pump motor down.

I had about 10 hours of work/redesign/and :stoned: :stoned: by this time and I was ready to give up; Then it HIT ME :D ...I pulled 2 sprinkler heads off the lines, cranked up the pump and let those 2 lines run wide-ass open...
I mean J-Lo ass open ;). This worked, I was whipped :o and went to bed :cool:

[latewood]

I have decided to add a pressure relief line by adding a 3/4" PVC valve to extension stubout> and recirculate flow right back into the reservoir. By doing this I will relieve pressure from the sprinkler manifold and lines.

1. stub out to a T...

2. on the downside we stub out to a 3/4" PVC valve. (adding this valve will allow me to open/close it as much as I need to relieve pressure off the pump and enable me to use my sprinkler heads without bog down of pump motor.

3. Stub out to another T and we now have a waterstation for potted plants or filling water vessel(Special Feature #2)...Notice downpipe for pressure relief valve.

4. I had to move downpipe inside of support frame and I 90 stub 90'd over to final splashpipe.

5. Here is what final system looks like...Notice plants in res on left (When original system failed), I needed to move these to bigger res for final veg/sexing...so, you see, I already am using 'Special Feature' #1 :smokin:

...On the middle res...I have shown a line that could be a drip line, then another hooked to sprinkler head thru the top...Just to illustrate the versitility
of this design...

...I will be testing the newly re-designed system tomorrow night...Stay tuned.
...Same Bat-time...Same Bat-station...Peace. The madness is draining out of me now...I must retire to my :smokin: study..................

[latewood]

1. ...Beast on...10-15 seconds and pressure came up...as pressure came up, I cracked open pressure relief valve 45degrees/1/2 way...

2. It worked;:) As I opened valve pressure came down...you could hear the strain of the pump motor going away and then, the sprinklers stream started to droop; and I tweaked it up until sprinklers started to hiss :smokin:

3. Look at the overflow pressure and the amount of turbulence in the reservoir.

4.more turbulence on the inlet side of res...

5. All I can say is "Awesome" :dance:

[latewood]

...I have a few more pix to wrap up this portion of system build. From here I will take it apart and tweak things/pieces, glue it all back together and I am trying to get up the nerve to dump the nutrients out of this (left)pic#5) DWC unit, with drain system open we will have a nice little aero unit(I will probably take pix when I open drain and let nute solution dump into main reservoir as I turn on the sprinklers ...I am going to take clones from my BB cross. The one in the pics with 2 main stalks...I think...and I will use second res (middle)pic#5) as an aero cloner....wait until you see my little cloner inserts. :thumbsup:

1. Check out the turbulence that the 4 sprinkler heads are causing in this 3 gallon tub...

2. check it out...that is a lot of water runoff...I might be able to run an entire hydrohouse off this baby!!! :D

3. I had a couple of towels over system to guard against splashing up and blowing up my 400w MH...but, the only leaks we had were minor leaks at the manifold/couplers, because I hadn't tightened them enough...a little tweak and no leaks!

4. Water station works great, but if you notice there is not enough pressure; It is because I had already turned off the pump...then I said to myself..."Damn, you didn't include pik of waterstation"...

5. Pik #5 for your reference...latewood

[Stormcooker]

:dance: :pimp: :thumbsup: :stoned:

[Kurtfolder]

your out of your mind

[Easy Roller]

nice work man..what strain will you christen it with????? what power of light will you blast it with...and how expensive was it all..and what cost to run it...are u and storm friends again
???

[Zandor]

Hey latewood is there a Harbor Freight tool place around where you live? If there is you may want to pick up a PVC weld tool from them. You need a small air compressor with it but it does work. I have 2 of them and I use them all the time, you designs will change once you learn how to use one. You will save money too in the long run; you can weld pipes as drains and not use sink drains. Save you 5 bucks each time, hint, hint.

You may want to wrap your tubs with water heater blankets there is a silver one with plastic bubble wrap as insulation that works very well.

[Easy Roller]

u can also visit plumbing supply shops and buy plastic pipes ..and pipe connecters relatively cheaply!!all u need is is a tube of silicone to join the peices....black silicone is better to prevent photosynthetic parasite growth !

[latewood]

I am still waiting to use this, because most of the clones I was preparing for this system trial got ate by a f@#$%^&*'n moth...I will be growing misty blue/bbjack clones in system
under first a 400 mh w/sunmaster warm deluxe and shift to 1000w hortilux for flower.

One thing about this design, It was done in a way, with simple plumbing supplies, that anyone could design...Of course, I will be upgrading periodically, I was also trying to design system for my pepper farm...I am taking rotted out trailer; gutting it, pulling out all bad floor and walls out, and converting it to a greenhouse for wholesale to restaurants in the area. I am going to grow specialty tomatoes, peppers from all varieties, and micro greens...with this design I can expand to 100+ plants with the addition of some pvc
keep the thread going, I will be adding pix and further progress soon...Just getting used to working out in public again is taking it's toll...

By the way I am in my 13th month of sobriety; quit drinking, 10-08-04...had to get that out! It came to mind because, I am starting to catch up on 2-3 years of tasks/chores/projects that I was behind on, because, I am sober ....yeeeeeeehhaaahhh

what do I need blankets for Z?...I will check for pvc weld tool...I have already been researching plastic fasteners and compounds, thanks

[dboy]

Any of you know where to get rectangular plastic pipe/PVC? I'd like to build a NFT system but I haven't found a good source for the pipe.

Also wanting to build an aero (cloner) system but not sure how to pick the right pump. I'm sure it's based on the diameter of the pipes and the number of sprayers involved...if anyone can show me the math I'd appreciate. I'm always impressed with your projects latewood.


Dboy

[Easy Roller]

Hey Dboy.You could maybe try electrical supply merchants or a plumbers yard..or just adapt your shit to take regular[round] hoses.

[Easy Roller]

Oh ..congragulations Latewood 4 kicking the drink!!

[latewood]

Any of you know where to get rectangular plastic pipe/PVC? I'd like to build a NFT system but I haven't found a good source for the pipe.

Also wanting to build an aero (cloner) system but not sure how to pick the right pump. I'm sure it's based on the diameter of the pipes and the number of sprayers involved...if anyone can show me the math I'd appreciate. I'm always impressed with your projects latewood.


Dboy
As far a s math for pump...that is Zandor's department...I would have to ask, how many sprinkler heads you are going to run...for instance, Z runs a 526gph
submersible powerhead/pump for 80 plants/full drip
How many cuttings do you want to root each cycle...too small a pump won't spray and too big will blow pieces apart or bogdown pump with backpressure.

I bought 8 little giant pumps off ebay (7) 90-110gph he dripped with and (1) 250gph??? that he used to top-off main res...I'll let you know how they pump after I get them and how many lines you can run and still keep good pressure on the line..OK.lw

[Zandor]

Latewood; You wrap the sides and bottom with that stuff, the idea is to keep the water at an even temperature from the top of the water to the bottom of the water res. Harbor freight tools have the PVC welders on sale for 25 bucks. Most others are selling the same tool for as much as 500 bucks so the 25 is a good deal. Take them up on their offer for the extended warranty too. Just remember to start the airflow before you plug it in. Don't stop the airflow until well after you turn off the heat so it cools down.

[latewood]

Any of you know where to get rectangular plastic pipe/PVC? I'd like to build a NFT system but I haven't found a good source for the pipe.

Also wanting to build an aero (cloner) system but not sure how to pick the right pump. I'm sure it's based on the diameter of the pipes and the number of sprayers involved...if anyone can show me the math I'd appreciate. I'm always impressed with your projects latewood.


DboyAmerican Hydroponins or I think it is amhydro.com has nft trays for sale. I believe they come in 12' lengths for around 100 bucks with netpot holes...I was going to buy some, but I have decided to just buid my system out of many 10 gallon/17tq. tubs. This way I have plenty of clearence for massive :D root systems (right now my Misty Blue is filling one of these tubs :dance: go aero for clones and seedlings and drip for flower...I still Love DWC

[latewood]

Misty Blue and Blueberry-Jack Herer clones...6 regular clones taken 4th week.
1/2 of them got eaten by a moth...so I cut 3 more clones from my DWC Misty2 plant and transplanted them directly into hydroton bubbler to see if they would root. I kept one for a mother and the other 2 are the clones in the 5" (bigger) netpots...so I have 8 clones in Mad Aero Tubs

1. had these clones cut for this project...
2. after 1/2 of cuttings got eaten by moth, I cut these and transplanted them directly into hydroton bubbler, and had 100% success rooting them...
3. nice roots, ready to veg

[latewood]

1. 4 in left tub
2. roots of one for reference
3. right tub
4. roots for ref.

[latewood]

1. middle tub with snd week flower clones directly to hydroton/bubbler
2. roots for reference...
3. all set, ready to go :thumbsup:

[latewood]

1. Left tub
2. middle tub
3. right tub

Not alot to say, just catching up...more info later.lw :smokin:

[latewood]

1. roots of one of the girls in the left tub...
2. roots in right tub...
3. Growth of 2nd week flower clones...
4. roots of flower clones
5. Here they are today.

Interesting thought of the day: ;) ...clones take on the same age as the mother that you take them from, so even though I took these snd week of flower clones a 3-4 weeks after the others...they are the same age :cool:

see ya next week.lw

[latewood]

1. roots of one of the girls in the left tub...
2. roots in right tub...
3. Growth of 2nd week flower clones...
4. roots of flower clones
5. Here they are today.

Interesting thought of the day: ...clones take on the same age as the mother that you take them from, so even though I took these snd week of flower clones a 3-4 weeks after the others...they are the same age

see ya next week.lw

[Easy Roller]

Those roots look nice man...real nice!

[Easy Roller]

Oh! L8wood must be in jail or something ..this thread has cobwebs on it

[latewood]

I am not in jail :cool: ...just took a break from 'idiosy' :sadcrying around the world, and unfortunately, some of the members here qualify! :p One night after posting a couple of interesting topics, that were flying down the Board. I read the same stupid questions :confused: that require the same old answers, :( that are "COVERED" in the Forums or growfaqs (and I believe we are building the best growfaqs on the WEB; :thumbsup: (Thanks to our friend, Zandor, Bill Thick, Trichome Creator, CND411, my friend HARDDON; etc...))...so I reverted back into my own little world, to take a break. :stoned: :stoned: :stoned: I didn't feel the need to explain or have some long drawn out weepy letter as to why I was leaving...My style is to, Just leave. My whole life has been confrontational; As I have always followed the beat of my 'own' Drummer
Well thanks, Easy for pulling back out of my FUNK,...The Laboratory is OPEN...The Mad Scientist Returns!!! I also heard a rumor...A certain HARDDON has been perusing the forums...once again

[Gen]

Great to see you back latewood. I for one am one of the dumb ones who ask questions that have already been answered. I have read all of your posts and have learned a great deal. I have read till my eyeballs were sore.
Thank you

[latewood]

Great to see you back latewood. I for one am one of the dumb ones who ask questions that have already been answered. I have read all of your posts and have learned a great deal. I have read till my eyeballs were sore.
Thank youThanks, and always feel free to ask question's...even if old farts like me cuss you every once in awhile. Feeling better, I have alot to catch up on...IT's Harvest time.

[Gen]

I'm waiting on beans. Got strange looks at the post office when I told them the letter was going to Amsterdam. Got strange comments from the guys at the electrical supply house when I said I was paying cash. Like, oh you're paying cash. Then we can't exchange it. Idiots. So once I get the beans I will be bugging you.

[Easy Roller]

Yeh nice to see L8wood back..I thought you had been taken to the nuthouse or stolen away by aliens...Easy Roller's grow house is up n rolling these days!! some skunk #1 seedlings always climbling!

[MeanGreenEye420]

About how far do you want you pots to hang and where did you find those ones your using there?

[latewood]

About how far do you want you pots to hang and where did you find those ones your using there?I am not sure what you are asking...In these pix, netpots hang the depth of the pots...Netpots-available at any hydro store online/or local...they were designed or are sometimes called "Orchid Pots"

In this system pots hang from the top and get sprayed with sprinklers. In this method your reservoir can be as shallow as 4-5 inches...

I usually grow in DWC (deep water culture) and bottom of pots hang just at or above waterline, so that the airstones creating oxygen, pop bubbles right at the bottom of netpots...hopr this helps.lw

[budboy]

omg he wroth 2 many wordy * my hed hurst * 2 many doobies yeahhhh ? soo can you tell me alll this in 1 quick paragraph? im really simple:P

[latewood]

omg he wroth 2 many wordy * my hed hurst * 2 many doobies yeahhhh ? soo can you tell me alll this in 1 quick paragraph? im really simple:PYeah...Read a book...roflmao:D :D :D

[latewood]

Sorry.. I was drunk when I gave my reply..

I´ll ask the admin to delete our messages.. K

No hard feeling I hope..Nope...No hard feelings...you seem knowledgable. Let's all work together to get better...After all, none of us are named Jorge...lol.:D

you will read posts and threads by me that are the wrong way to grow or there is a better method; But, I wanted to go thru, what other people had gone through and experienced 1st hand and pass it along as being true pot-lore or bullshit. It is amazing how much you learn this way.;)

I have several great books on MJ and grow veggies too.:smokin:

I subscribe to growing edge and maximum yield, and try to keep up with the new stuff...Hydro is a baby is the western world, everytime we plant a seed,

he says KILL it be-efore it gro-ows....Sorry, couldn't resist:p

...every time we plant a seed it is an experiment. Perhaps there are some true Horticulturists on these forums...some chemists...some GURU's...but, for the most part. I think we are all just a bunch of good folk, trying to grow good weed... I'm moving to Oregon to go Pro!:thumbsup:

Welcome to Cdot, I am sure you just want to help out, the same as the rest of us, and, I would like to discuss your substrate ideas, sometimes.

Anyway, I got about 20 clones to place tonight...gotta go. lw

[karmaxul]

Some cats you just cant teach.

[latewood]

Some cats you just cant teach.
what kill's me K...If you have any ingenuity, then this thread could help you build a professional system using any material you choose. take the tubs out and put in beige hydro buckets and drip to waste or re-circulate...or,
run re-circulating dwc or as I set this up as aero with rotary sprinkler heads...this system worked great the way it was, But now I use it for 120 site tomato grow. It had to be set-up in a way that took too much space and when I lost my Horti-the 1st time...I lost plants to herm'. Nothing wrong with the system though, if any experienced grower,
look at the rootmass that was produced in a couple of short weeks then I would have to say...What's wrong with that?
thanks K...Maybe I should've just bought a cheap ebb and flow...read a couple of Zandor's post and limited myself to one type/method/nute regimen...like Stormcooker: and he would be happy...Of course, I wouldn't know chitman!

Anyway, I am glad I built systems and experimented. because 'my' knowledge is from growing; Not from reading advice on a forum or from a growbook; Although the forums helped at times; And after experiencing some real problems 1st hand...I did buy "the indoor bible" and a couple other books.

As I have stated many times...Hydro is in it's infancy. Systems built to this date are no more than an enterprise to be 1st on the market...any hydro system works, period...unless you don't know/can't grow Chit'!

As for people claiming that systems or methods don't work...I do not work my ass off building, experimenting and trying to mentor young growers, in order to appease or satisfy the needs of the rest of you, "Assholes" and you know (Stormy) who you are.

I hope I haven't offended any of my friends/family here at cdot with my rant...thanks for all your support, lw

[karmaxul]

I have heard many good things about the rotary sprinklers heads when I was in the last state.

[karmaxul]

Hey strom wheres your designs.

It is always easyier to cut some one down they grow things up. Just because you are making energy does not mean that it is doing anything any good. This is what sets growers apart from harvesters.

Lakewood is very humble and teachs people all the time with kind expertise. Never has he jumped in a persons thread and insulted them to up a damaged self esteem as he does not have a problem in that area. I hope one day you can find that inner happiness again Strom and pass it on to others.

[latewood]

I remember when he was trying to grow plants through the light in his window.lol I never cut him down; I have disagreed with him...I have never gone into his thread and picked it apart...Bet I could. I haven't even read most of it due to his blatantly rude self serving statements, here. I thought the other day we reached a common area, but he assholed up once again. Oh yeah, by the way, I am smokin' some awesome chitman...that's my point, Thanks

Well, If you know nothing about plumbing and wanted to plumb your own system that is yet another use for this thread...

something else...The 2 people that have had negative impact on this thread both grow ebb and flow...simplistic!
Karmaxul...what did you call them...Harvesters? roflmao!!!

Britewire and I immediately made amends, even though I still don't follow 1/2 what he says...He tries and that is all anyone can do.
As for you Asshole...You best watch who you threaten. I'll leave it at that. Go Bigred81

[karmaxul]

So what strain are you smoking lakewood at present?

[latewood]

sexy orange skunk...b'mese f'in incrediblexcalifornia orangebudxskunk#1...some trippy chitman. From Smoker's beanlabs...KKdotnet
Some of the prettiest golden buds when blooming.
thanks for asking.

[karmaxul]

Sounds yummy.

The only cali anything I had was Calimist which was some some headie stuff

[latewood]

Sounds yummy.

The only cali anything I had was Calimist which was some some headie stuffCalimist would be californiaorangebud x original misty...funny you brought that up...I also have a Misty x from smoker's beanlab.
this is my MUM! Mistyblue Original Misty x Sagarmatha's champion Blueberry male...
My 2 MUM's R Misty Blue (currently growing @ sneekpeak)
and NL#2 rooting, hopefully as we speak.

Thanks for getting me in a better mood K.lw

[karmaxul]

nice good info.
I have never heard of NL#2 though. I hear NL#1 is from around seattle but not exactly sure. I either had NL1 or 5 we were not sure and I got them as clones for Jack herear. Are NL#2 seeds still around at seed banks?

[latewood]

nice good info.
I have never heard of NL#2 though. I hear NL#1 is from around seattle but not exactly sure. I either had NL1 or 5 we were not sure and I got them as clones for Jack herear. Are NL#2 seeds still around at seed banks?

Got them at auction over atKKnet. I got the last 7 I know of...KK said they were the last 7. I germed 3...lost 1, cloned the other 2. Got a male and a female.
I have 12 of these NL#2 cuttings in my aero24x machine*...this is 3rd generation of clones from this machine. I am glad I built it.
<<<*threadlink below>>>
I took cuttings from this Misty Blue MUM, pic...
after rooting, I put them in these trays **I am experimenting with. So far, I love the ease of operation and they can be broken down/moved real fast/easily, if need be. ph with the perlite hasn't waivered.

Misty blue clones...are in this new system, using the manifold originally made for this aero system. I just adapted (I basically just replaced the tubs and sprinklers) the manifold to these rockwool trays filled with perlite with modified recirculating drip/nft
** http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=54307

My NL#2 clones are in this now.
* http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=49641

[Zandor]

"I wouldn't hesitate to kill you and your family if I knew I could get away with it. I don't know whatever kind of weed you smoke but you may need to flush it longer cuz' the chemicals are going to your head. Go fuck yourself.

Dude not cool!!! some mods would ban you for a while to cool off but I think you just had a bad buzz or someting else. You don't talk about a mans family like that.

Chill dude.

The thread is a sticky because I made it one. If you have a problem with that then you have a problem with me. I thought it was fine for new members to catch the build bug and spark questions and answers from other members.

That is what we do here.

[karmaxul]

Looks like storm needs to cut down on the tds.

[karmaxul]

Got them at auction over atKKnet. I got the last 7 I know of...KK said they were the last 7. I germed 3...lost 1, cloned the other 2. Got a male and a female.
I have 12 of these NL#2 cuttings in my aero24x machine*...this is 3rd generation of clones from this machine. I am glad I built it.
<<<*threadlink below>>>
I took cuttings from this Misty Blue MUM, pic...
after rooting, I put them in these trays **I am experimenting with. So far, I love the ease of operation and they can be broken down/moved real fast/easily, if need be. ph with the perlite hasn't waivered.

Misty blue clones...are in this new system, using the manifold originally made for this aero system. I just adapted (I basically just replaced the tubs and sprinklers) the manifold to these rockwool trays filled with perlite with modified recirculating drip/nft
** http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=54307

My NL#2 clones are in this now.
* http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=49641

Thanks for the info bro.

Man that girl needs a serious hair cut

With the NL#2 I always wondered how those neopreme colars worked. Now I see they just pop out and have a slice. Nice stuff. Man you are a genius

[Stormcooker]

Sorry ya'all.....havin' a bad day, I regret my actions, i'm having a real bad day. I take meds for this kind of shit and my wife left me recently. You know how it is.
Peace

[knowledge]

Hey Latewood,

I use a system a lot like the one you use. and the only problem i see with your thread is the time you waste bantering with fuck up's who don't know how to take free knowlegde for what it's worth. I am not going to brag i have no right to even the slightest( i have only pulled 5 crops, one good, one magical, and the 3 wallet killing fuck ups)
But I am from Canada, I know from reading and speaking to many avid smokers, whether it be soliders training at our base, or people I met in the Qwest service area. But other than washington and oregon, i have not heard a tale of people getting better weed. Please do not take offence, besides our government, i consider us one in the same, we share the same liberties for the most part, no more apologetic babble.
But I compared the stuff i got with the system similar to the pics in the first page. I did not get the harvest i wanted to, that was my own fault. But the plants that did reach maturity( using advanced nutrients ) for potentcy, using 2 strains, magic crystal and skydog, and no one could compare. Ususally a oz goes for 150-200, I had old men wanting to buy it for 300$ an oz, so they could make bubble hash.
So Latewood

Don't waste your time on fuck ups, or men who get pms when on threads designed to let people know the options available to them.

I used a system like this because i have a higher table so i can put everything under it so i can use every nook and cranny available on my ceiling for lights. and every square inch for bloom.

You can give me advise whenever you see fit, if i don't like it,maybe i did not explain well, and if i still don't like it, i won't use it. But to attack a person who shares knowledge freely, without expecting anything in return. Fuckin shit man, get a life. go whack off to let off steam, but come to a forum composed of people trying to get as much knowledge with as little searching
as possible. Some people lack character, so they need to make one online to amuse themselves, is there not forums for that?

Sorry to ramble. But i hate reading through good shit, then having to read thru a whole page of a good guy defending peoples right to get knowledge without the doing the work upfront to get the experience it would take months to get if this site was not here, then having to back track afterwards to find where i was again.
As for attacking verbally attacking families in the thread, i know this was addressed by Zandor already. but come on now who feels big, who's a big man now. fucking coward. sorry bout the profanity.

[knowledge]

Shit i should not of soiled latewood's sticky,

sorry, at least now every one who reads it will know not to be a dink.

[latewood]

thanks knowledge...this sticky is here for everyone. You didn't hurt it a bit. the notice up top was just so I could get all the posts/pix into some kind of continuity before It got run over with Q"s and A's. It was basically for the plumbing challenged...lol I don't why SC get's so passionate about things like that, but to you Sir, Thanks! lw enjoy, I adapted this plumbibg to my new tray system and I love it. modified recirculating nft/drip

The reason I built a recirculating system was because I was tired of toting all the water necessary for DWC.
I was using 60 gallons a week! later lw

[latewood]

this is a thread I linked to here because it is the same basic manifold; But I have retro-fitted a couple other systems with this plumbing...I hope you enjoy it.:thumbsup:

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=67390

I am sorry I have not been more up to date with this thread, but as you have just finished reading...things like this just are not really appreciated anymore, and all my friends are thinking about leaving Cdot. bummed lately, lw

[moreover123]

Latewood - They are appreciated by 'me'. I've been utterly lost with losing the ability to surf/learn from OG. The amount of DIY threads with pics, detailed grow logs, vast information, and sheer volume of daily posters was astounding. What a loss.

I appreciate this and your other threads. Now - where is everyone going (or gone to)?

[latewood]

take time to check out this hydro system built by Hazey wonder...build in progress.


http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=67781

[latewood]

bump

[bongerstonerd00d]

This is one awesome fucking thread, LW. Nice job d00d. Excellent information and well documented. And, if anybody is threatening anyone, call me. Have guns, will use, and dont mind to travel:rasta:

FUnny you mentioned the gourmet pepper/tomato idea. I have developed a very good base of a few gourmet markets, and upscale rest's that are interested in hydro grown produce. Might do my stash grow small scale now and use the big room for all produce <scratches head>. Cant decide.


b0nger

[latewood]

This is one awesome fucking thread, LW. Nice job d00d. Excellent information and well documented. And, if anybody is threatening anyone, call me. Have guns, will use, and dont mind to travel:rasta:

FUnny you mentioned the gourmet pepper/tomato idea. I have developed a very good base of a few gourmet markets, and upscale rest's that are interested in hydro grown produce. Might do my stash grow small scale now and use the big room for all produce <scratches head>. Cant decide.


b0ngerI am doing it as we speak...If you are intersted in doing some veggie grows...post the piks At indoor growers veggie society STicky at top of Indoor grow forum.

also, there is a new site called... Hygronomics.com...(homepage will give you idea of what is going on. and we are trying to build a link to the forums)...If forums button doesn't work; Then go to... Hygronomics.com/forums...
Both are pieces to the site under construction. Hygronomics is for sharing ideas on Self substantialism...veggie growing/organics... hydro...solar/wind power...politics/alternatives to fossil fuels...alternative medicine and there is going to be a general store for special parts for hydro system building and such.

go register, if you wish...All that is there now is general discussion, so If you have something to say in regards to the sites parameters, feel free to post. If it is good; Then once we get categories built-up...We will place your posts in the appropriate forum. We plan on all, learning/sharing information together. Get ready to be unplugged.

p.s. @ hygronomics, we try to watch our language a bit, so Mother's can read the forums too, thanks peace

[bongerstonerd00d]

I am kewl with the language. I see how and what others post before I ever spurt out some profanity.....LOL:dance: Thanks for the other info, I will check them out tomorrow and register most deff.





l8er,
b0nger

[latewood]

thanks bro...if you like it tell your friends...I plan on building community with contributions from any and all contributors. peace

[Aaron385]

I think you are all over it LW about hydroponics being nothing even close to a science on this side of the world. I swear that most of the products on the market today are supported only by advertisement. So many BS supplements and misinformation out there. After watching the knowms video I have to try my own aero system.. and your info here is very good.

Im going though some design ideas, I have a bunch of things drawn up.. may start construction soon! I need some more veggies :)

[latewood]

great to hear from you...glad you are moving forward...later.

been so busy up to my armpits in html lately, at other site, writing...that I have let the grass growover into my outdoor garden, but with my allergies and this 95f heat, I cannot be blamed...peace

[crazywill]

It looks like a good plan,but how many net pots are you going to use?The pump is a little over kill.Dont use a sink drainer cause of the metal will corrode with all the nutrients.I do like that you builded it over a bath tub,if theres leaks you got it covered. please more pixs of the grow
crazywill

[crazywill]

Any of you know where to get rectangular plastic pipe/PVC? I'd like to build a NFT system but I haven't found a good source for the pipe.

Also wanting to build an aero (cloner) system but not sure how to pick the right pump. I'm sure it's based on the diameter of the pipes and the number of sprayers involved...if anyone can show me the math I'd appreciate. I'm always impressed with your projects latewood.


Dboy
Homedepot or lowes all carrie the vinyl fence post.They are 8 to 10 feet long.
You can go to ask.com and search the net.
crazywill

[latewood]

Thansk but, 1st off, I have pumps from 110gph to 600gph...
2nd you didn't read thread very well because drains are plastic...
and system is not over a bathtub, that was just for a month because of space. It does not leak.

I don't do grow threads anymore, veggies only, I have nothing to prove.

If you ever doubt that any of my DIY systems work...Well, I have this to say If you know what you are doing then you can grow anything you want in any kind of hydro system. I can! peace

[misk]

wow lol

i sat down for a good 6-8 hours designing a new system for my grow room and it turned out pretty much exactly the same as this lol

i will be starting the build in around a month and will keep u posted.

i was thinking of running a drip to my pots, airstones under each and sprinklers pointing at the roots, is this overkill? will the sprinklers alone be enough?

and i was thinking of using smaller diamiter piping, would this system still run effectivly?

anyway, cheers for providing such a wikad thread, keep up the good work :D

[BlackBliss]

Hey late, Nice grow man.....i love it how you have self explanitory pictures with details man weldone.....
show us some updates sometime :thumbsup:
Stay true and high buddy,
Peace Out brother!
Bliss.

[latewood]

I am finding that using aero alone is running the risk of sprinklers clogging...It happened to me and caused hermies, but If I had had a closer eye at the time, I might've avoided a problem...As Z says. You cannot see the sprinkler not working! I think if you want to run both drip and sprinklers, it cannot hurt you a bit...I would however watch my rez temps...especially if this idea has you using 2 pumps. As far as 1/2" pvc...people have been using it for years...I like using the 3/4" in with 1/2" irrigation tubing. I haven't tried any 1/2"

Can't wait to see your system

[latewood]

Here is a little experiment I helped a friend of mine build that wanted to grow indoor tomatoes and peppers...in a spare room w/AC...Just 4 piks.

during construction..:cool: .

I add quick connects now...this makes it so easy to move the rez and dis:thumbsup: assemble.

Nice roots eh:confused:

He lied...:smokin: 8-topper

[BlackBliss]

hehehe cool......deffinately nice roots!!
:thumbsup:
Bliss.

[krakatoa]

PVC pipe cutters will save you from having to deburr, and it's a lot easier/straighter/faster than a hacksaw, especially if you're eyeballing and trimming down lots of cuts for fit. An irrigation supply store will have a pair for around $10. Lowes has some but their metal ones are $20 or more, and no better. One plastic pair will last forever if it's only used for odd jobs.

http://www.sprinkler.com/buy/item/pipe_cutters/4554

<-- an example of the kind I mean.

[latewood]

thanks for the tip...

[mistyganjatree]

you must be the plumbing merchants best customer of late! lol
dya got water heaters in the tanks too? or just the resevoir? or niether?

[latewood]

never had a need to use any heaters...My biggest problems are humidity and heat...period.

Getting ready to buy de-humidifier, and big attic exhaust fans.

peace

[HighSeekerz]

Looks beautiful...