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[masterg]

Hi my plant is 5weeks and 6dayz old, size, haha its about a cigarette and a half, too small?
yes thats what i reckon, i want to put it in 12/12 but right now it probly would only harvest a spliffsworth, any ideas why its so small 4 its age?
it has had a few problems in its life, but all is growing well know, but just dont seem to grow.

any oppinions and stuff appreciated, cheers.

[Marc Benson]

You need to give way more info than that. Soil? What kind of lights? Watering schedule? Fertilizer schedule? What kind of ferts?

Pics would help too.

[BobBong]

whooaaaa 5 weeks old and only the size of a cigarette?? that's.. urmm.. wow..

sounds like some toxic soil to me.. what medium are you using?

we do indeed need some more info.

[masterg]

Hi, MB, Bobbong,

i bought the whole range of bio-bizz products, so bio-bizz all mix soil im using for soil.
i use bio grow for the veg so far.
humidity's normally about 55-75%, temps normally about 78F
i got a 125watt veg envirolite on it at the moment, 200watt for 12/12(if its going to grow, haha)
its in a 2litre square pot at the moment, its got pc fans on it, and light.
i normally water every 2-3dayz with bio-grow as it says u can since its organic,

i did have alot of problems with this plant, like... all the lower leaves died, like turned brown went dry and crispy so i cut them off, so i had to flush the soil.
then i got the stem turning purple, so i think thats due to N deficiency or P deficiency, so i started givin it bio-grow again, started lookin better, like purple clearing up and grew abit over the 2nights after giving it the bio-grow, but now its stopped again, haha this plant is weird.
hope that helps.
cheers 4 helpin.

[Garden Knowm]

zandor is onna kill me

A seed in miracle grow ..nothing else.. with adequate light.. will grow weed (good weed)...
no supplements no tricks.. no nothing.. just add water and light!!!

simple is good,,

check out bob bongs thread.. da guy is SIMPLE and his plants look great....


I have attched a picture of a plant that is 17 days old... only water added to miracle grow..

soil, perlite mix, 6 cfl's -

[BobBong]

:P *Stabs Miracle Grow to death*

haha.. no .. MG will obviously work...it's just known to give problems for alot of growers. I imagine it'd be great for a clone or small plant. I believe the real problems with MG come in when you're growing a large mother... as the veg cycle is drawn out longer and requires more nutrients.

Not sure what to say masterg, sounds like she had problems from the start...the seedling stage is the most crucial part of the plants life.. it can make.. or break a great plant... If she struggles alot as a seedling.. chances are she'll struggle for life

Pics, speak a thousand words though :)

[HARDDON]

Oh shit here we go again...

#1. There is no way on Gods green planet that pic you have is of a 17 days old plant.

NO FUCKING WAY.

That is a clone as much as a clone will ever be.

Can you deny this? :) :)

[HARDDON]

Maturity is a key factor in growth.

Alternating nodes are the primary indicator of maturity, even long before any pre-flowers are present.

I ahve taken the oppty to circle the alt nodes. Some of them.

THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE IN 17 days from seed.

NOT!

Fuck even the secondaries have secondaries already......

NO WAY GNOME.....NO WAY.

[BobBong]

It's not totally impossible. I've seen numerous amounts of different phenotypes with alternating nodes very similar to this one.
It's possible to be either... but which is it? 17 days from seed germination? or 17 days from propigating the clone?
I'll believe Garden Knowm either way...frankly it makes no difference what it is. it's a nice plant.

...at least he's not telling people to go digging through thier cats shit..

[masterg]

Hey, right its gonna be like 6weeks old 2morrow, i'll leave it in veg upto the 7th week, hopefully it grows alot in 1 week(fingerz crossed), but if it dont how big will it grow in 12/12 cylce and how mcuh will it harvest?

cheers.
everythin appreciated.

[masterg]

oh yea, and its in a 2litre square pot, do u reckon its worth puttin it in a 11litre square pot before i put it in 12/12?
cheers.

[HARDDON]

It's not totally impossible. I've seen numerous amounts of different phenotypes with alternating nodes very similar to this one.
It's possible to be either... but which is it? 17 days from seed germination? or 17 days from propigating the clone?
I'll believe Garden Knowm either way...frankly it makes no difference what it is. it's a nice plant.

...at least he's not telling people to go digging through thier cats shit..


Hey....I have just about had it with you today.

Get off my ass and go pimp some other HARD ON to suck.

You are so full of it.

You aint seen ever a phenotype that has its second fucking set of fan leaves be alternating nodes. Hell at 17 days most plants still have the dried seed pods still sticking to the stem.

You and your bullshit. You havent seen shit except the damn dicks coming and going in your orfices. Yes Bob we all know you are gay.

At least everyone does now....dont they?

Gonna sit here and try and tell me you have seen this before.

You're a goddamn liar.

You havent seen shit asshole. Plants don;t alternate nodes until maturity and unless its a specially bred self flowering plant like lowryder, it DOESNT HAPPEN. Christ his plants secondaries have secondaries.

Thats a clone.

Oh but you havve seen them before in your vast experience huh?

SHOW ME....or in your words...PROVE IT.

But you cant.

Leave me the fuck alone dickwad.

And oh yea...you might wannaa put some cat shit in your plants cuz they suck.

Now I am asking nicely, to please get off my ass and lets you and I ignore one another. Can we do that....

Or do we take this further ...outside...of this forum?

Because I like everyone here except you and I would hate to leave this place or get banned because this is getting stupid. I dont argue or even associate with your kind.

You keep it up on me gay one and I can assure you I will remember. I havent acheived in life what i have because I am someones bitch.

Perhaps its time for a mod to tell us both to shut the fuck up.

I am asking nicely for you to stay away from me and I will do the same. Really, I am asking nicely and sincerely.

Its as simple as that.

END OF CONVO.

[BobBong]

1 US gallon = 3.78 Litres

Suggested Pot size for Marijuana... 3-5 Gallon....

I think we found the source of the problem...or one of the sources anyway..

[BobBong]

Hey....I have just about had it with you today.

Get off my ass and go pimp some other HARD ON to suck.

You are so full of it.

You aint seen ever a phenotype that has its second fucking set of fan leaves be alternating nodes. Hell at 17 days most plants still have the dried seed pods still sticking to the stem.

You and your bullshit. You havent seen shit except the damn dicks coming and going in your orfices. Yes Bob we all know you are gay.

At least everyone does now....dont they?

Gonna sit here and try and tell me you have seen this before.

You're a goddamn liar.

You havent seen shit asshole. Plants don;t alternate nodes until maturity and unless its a specially bred self flowering plant like lowryder, it DOESNT HAPPEN. Christ his plants secondaries have secondaries.

Thats a clone.

Oh but you havve seen them before in your vast experience huh?

SHOW ME....or in your words...PROVE IT.

But you cant.

Leave me the fuck alone dickwad.

And oh yea...you might wannaa put some cat shit in your plants cuz they suck.

Now I am asking nicely, to please get off my ass and lets you and I ignore one another. Can we do that....

Or do we take this further ...outside...of this forum?

Because I like everyone here except you and I would hate to leave this place or get banned because this is getting stupid. I dont argue or even associate with your kind.

You keep it up on me gay one and I can assure you I will remember. I havent acheived in life what i have because I am someones bitch.

Perhaps its time for a mod to tell us both to shut the fuck up.

I am asking nicely for you to stay away from me and I will do the same. Really, I am asking nicely and sincerely.

Its as simple as that.

END OF CONVO.


you have way to much time on your hands... you know that?

[HARDDON]

you have way to much time on your hands... you know that?

More than you would ever imagine.

[RastaKaze]

It's not totally impossible. I've seen numerous amounts of different phenotypes with alternating nodes very similar to this one.
It's possible to be either... but which is it? 17 days from seed germination? or 17 days from propigating the clone?
I'll believe Garden Knowm either way...frankly it makes no difference what it is. it's a nice plant.

...at least he's not telling people to go digging through thier cats shit..

Ok, you were fine up to that last sentence. If your so experienced and know your "phenotypes," just let HD be! You stated your thoughts, why bother making a smart ass remark? To defile your rep of unmatched wisdom? :rolleyes: I gotta say I was hearing you out until you went and made yourself look dumb by getting irrational. What's the point? Just chill. Besides, I think we all know there is NO way that picture is 17 days from seed. :cool:

SMOKE A JOINT

[Fugitive]

Uhm..

No offense HARDDON and BobBong... But you are so freaking stupid.. do you know that??!:)

You're taking it way out of hand here.. And as HARDDON said about you taking it outside thi forum...

Exchange phone numders and set up an argument.. 'Cause we (or I) don't wanna' hear about it!!:P

Maybe it's just me... But seriously this guy masterg just wants some help.. nothig else...!:P

So phone numbers... thats all!

I respect you both, but no offense... Set up you're own thread and argue there..!:)

[BobBong]

why bother making a smart ass remark? To defile your rep of unmatched wisdom? :rolleyes:

To make a point

Besides that.. does it look like i'm the one doing the attacking?

I totally agree that other people's threads shouldn't be used for personal attacks.. shit, personal attacks shouldn't even happen.

I didn't troll this thread, hd did.

[Fugitive]

....

And as RastaKaze said "Besides, I think we all know there is NO way that picture is 17 days from seed."

Thats True..

[RastaKaze]

let the thread drop.. let it be over.. is it really worth arguing with someone that's thousands of miles away?

[BobBong]

nuff said.

[RastaKaze]

LMAO :D I think we can all get a good laugh outta that 1... good find

[HARDDON]

Sorry but I dont find it humorous making fun of tards.

They are God's little children too.

[Garden Knowm]

hahahaha

DAMN.. that is funny... you guys are HILARIOUS.. HD, man, you gotta lay off the JUICE dude... you must be all jacked up on the roids? you stacking d-bol or what.. man... you are off the fucking HINGES!!!!! LOL..


HD, you are absolutley fucking right,, that sucker had legs... and that is a picture of it 15 days after it was put in soil... 2 days after it sprouted legs.. It was cloned 9 days before it got legs.. good work ... DICK....... TRACY.... LOL

I can't believe you used the little black circles on me.. you asshole!!!!

ya wanna see day 2... day 2 after it sprouted legs...

super high res so you can take it into photoshop and triple check its nodes..

I lOVE YOU


HEY BOB - way to keep your cool dude.... its never good to mess with a giant KACK

[Garden Knowm]

one more tasty bit of info....

the bottom five nodes are missing...

ya wanna see them........

[Cheesybeast]

i was just wonderin garden knome or anyone whee you get those balasted for the cfl's

[HARDDON]

hahahaha

DAMN.. that is funny... you guys are HILARIOUS.. HD, man, you gotta lay off the JUICE dude... you must be all jacked up on the roids? you stacking d-bol or what.. man... you are off the fucking HINGES!!!!! LOL..


HD, you are absolutley fucking right,, that sucker had legs... and that is a picture of it 15 days after it was put in soil... 2 days after it sprouted legs.. It was cloned 9 days before it got legs.. good work ... DICK....... TRACY.... LOL

I can't believe you used the little black circles on me.. you asshole!!!!

ya wanna see day 2... day 2 after it sprouted legs...

super high res so you can take it into photoshop and triple check its nodes..

I lOVE YOU


HEY BOB - way to keep your cool dude.... its never good to mess with a giant KACK


LOL you fucker :D

Guess I walked right into that one eh???

LOL.....

Yea yesterday I think me and BB both got up on the wrong side of the earth. I know I did.

And then I saw your clone and was still tripping then I read where there are "numerous strains" that do this and just lost it......lol.......

What an asshole I am.

But hey, if half the people dont hate you and the other half dont love you, then you arent stirring your soul the way it was meant to be.

You fucker.

PAYBACK WILL BE A MOFO........TRUST THAT. :cool: :cool: :cool:

I LUV YOU TOO :)

[HARDDON]

i was just wonderin garden knome or anyone whee you get those balasted for the cfl's

www.hydroasis.com

get your CFL ballasts there....

But the ones gnome uses are built in and come WITH THE BULB.

The Home Depot is now selling 50W CFL that equals 150W standard.

These are the best you can get at a general store without going online.

But they have a Kelvin of 4100.....slightly higher than an MH...but less than what is optimal.

[HARDDON]

one more tasty bit of info....

the bottom five nodes are missing...

ya wanna see them........


Hell gnome at least line the floor with some white trash bags eh? :)

[Marc Benson]

The Home Depot here has 125w CFL's from Lights of America for $13.95 which I thought was ridiculously cheap. You need to buy the base/socket though but they look just like the ones you use HD. Have the larger mogul base. Don't know what K they are though.

[HARDDON]

The L.O.A. you speak of are rated at intial Kelvin of 6500 SO THEY CLAIM.

LOA and Champion Electric, both suppliers from China, make perhaps the shittiest shit on the planet.

I have spoken at length with manufacturers of CFL and from what I gather, their Kelvins drop to 50% of initial output within 14 days, and the lumen output close to 45% in 21 days.

Just a BTW....I am removing my 125W 6500K CFL's from my grow room and replacing with the smaller 65W 5500K that require no ballast.

While I have been happy with the bigger bulbs, I think the smaller ones are more efficient, longer lasting, less heat, less size, more easy to work with and cheaper as well.

Anyone want some used big CFL bulbs for free?

Just pay the shipping and they are yours.

As long as I 'know you', they are yours for the asking.

First cum first served :)

[masterg]

Cheers people for turning my thread into a battle zone.
haha, nah serious can i get help?
haha.

[Garden Knowm]

master- that's how we play in these parts.. it must be cause summer is over.. people are getting all crazy... some of us are just getting MORE CRAZY ... cough... HD.. cough..

trash bags... white trash bags? those aren't my plants, I stole that picture from some other website....

LOL


But if it were mine... do you think it really helps to put a regular house bulb in there during flowering..

And I don't need some fucking long ass explanation.. just keep it simple!!


WORD

[HARDDON]

do you think it really helps to put a regular house bulb in there during flowering..

YES.

[RastaKaze]

The L.O.A. you speak of are rated at intial Kelvin of 6500 SO THEY CLAIM.

LOA and Champion Electric, both suppliers from China, make perhaps the shittiest shit on the planet.

I have spoken at length with manufacturers of CFL and from what I gather, their Kelvins drop to 50% of initial output within 14 days, and the lumen output close to 45% in 21 days.

Just a BTW....I am removing my 125W 6500K CFL's from my grow room and replacing with the smaller 65W 5500K that require no ballast.

While I have been happy with the bigger bulbs, I think the smaller ones are more efficient, longer lasting, less heat, less size, more easy to work with and cheaper as well.

Anyone want some used big CFL bulbs for free?

Just pay the shipping and they are yours.

As long as I 'know you', they are yours for the asking.

First cum first served :)

How many watt's/lumens and how long were they used?

[HARDDON]

How many watt's/lumens and how long were they used?

#1. They are fricking free.
#2. You see how they grow plants...from the pics I show.
#3. 125W 6500K
Enuff said.

[RastaKaze]

Does it screw into a normal bulb fixture tho? I have a ton of those ceramic fixtures w/the clamp if that'll work give me ur hush so we can exchange addy's... I'll have to send the $$$ out first though :( not sure how the snail mail to canada is... anyway how much for shipping?

[RastaKaze]

Oh and for anyone else who might request them....




























































































I got dibs, BIOTCH!!! :D

[masterg]

so erm, any help any 1?

[RastaKaze]

i dont know what you've got going as far as airflow goes. If you dont have a co2 generatore u at least need fresh air. Blow on your plant as often as possible, put next to a cracked window if you can... and check out this thread it should be really helpful; It was to me http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=28553&highlight=co2+grow+room

[Cheesybeast]

where do u get the ballast for those cfls's

[HARDDON]

where do u get the ballast for those cfls's


I got mine at hydroasis.com
long fuckers i tell you that...they eat a lot of space horizontally.

[Garden Knowm]

hey HD.. you think it is better to put in a 100 watt regular house bulb then to keep the 150 watt CFL...?

how many watts should the HOuse bulb be?

[HARDDON]

If in flower stage, the plants need RED LIGHT WAVES and UV-B rays.

You can only get this with HPS for the red, and MH for the UV-B rays.

It is this combo in flower that helps buds grow fat and big. It is at least one of the major factors.

If HPS is not in the picture, where will the lower Kelvins come from?

Regular cheap ass light bulbs....warm....will deliver red waves. By themselves, it is a crap shoot as to the end result....

Without the intensity of HPS lighting, you need all the light you can get which means keeping the CFL AND the additions of several...the more the merrier...red wave generating light bulbs.

You can go as high as 150W regular light bulbs....you can use several....they will generate heat so air flow is critical to the success of the plan.

[Garden Knowm]

which light would you replace..?

please use diagrams, circles and all the other lovely acutraments you give the other board members...

I love you



and since you're wondering.. this plant is 23 days old... 11 days veg.. 12 days flower ..........

i love you

[Rezinator]

masterg,

Sorry but I hate, really hate, seeing this crap go on â??cause itâ??s hard enough to juggle budgeting priorities - where you are going to spend limited upstart cash - on all the things that can and do make a difference on a grow.

Not that it matters but have been using internet BBBâ??s since 1989.

Goes with the territory that certain types of personalities can take on some strange permutations of their own given the newfound anonymity of internet access. These flawed characters invariably try to become someone larger than they are, or can be, or ever will be in real life.

Others adhere to the original spirit of the internet and simply derive (get) great satsifaction from helping others. That was the original internet model for public access. Sharing. Openly. Non-commercially. BTW, â??non-commerciallyâ?� is kinduva clue here.

For the others, itâ??s more of a playground. Games of oneupmanship, bullying, picking on the kid who could, might, more naturally become a threat to their insecure pipe dreams of leadership. And then of course there is the jealousy these people can hold for someone else who takes the time to consider details, many details, in growing that would be infinite details, and god forbid has better communication skils.

The easiest targets or scapegoats are those of us who will and do pay attention to detail and try to relate to the individual circumstances of others. There actually are no dumb questions. But there are such things as dumb answers, those being the answers you get from people who are in it primarily for the sake of ego gratification. Cheesy incomplete answers that are not sensitive to the questionerâ??s situation.

Clever one liners or simply trying to pull someone else down, or . It ainâ??t for purposes of arriving at the truth. Itâ??s more about - well - I dunno really. Never have completely understood small minds.

And if I may - I mean - hey - I've seen this too - vicsious debates and two days later they're all kissed and made up as if they were two woodnymphs, two herms in the night, all the more empowered to give the appearance of authority. Speaking for myself I ain't buyin' into the show, boys.

You're friggin pot growers, not the friggin so called leaders of Western Civilization.

Give us more details if you want but don't give half baked answers you know leave us with 15 more questions than we had, then lie around like snakes in the grass waiting to pounce on someone else's advice.

Unbelievable.

sorry, m

[Garden Knowm]

yeah, what he said...

I love you

and money too

[HARDDON]

You're friggin pot growers, not the friggin so called leaders of Western Civilization.

Give us more details if you want but don't give half baked answers you know leave us with 15 more questions than we had, then lie around like snakes in the grass waiting to pounce on someone else's advice.


Intense.

True.

Accurate.

ALL MEANT FOR YOU GNOME :D