New Smoking tool...

[turtle420]

Hello everyone,

I'd like to share with you guys an idea that I've been boiling inside my head for quite some time now... All input is greatly appreciated, as I hope that I can build a prototype soon.

SALES PITCH: How would you like to smoke wherever you are? How would you like to smoke vaporized buds? How about having it concealed in a lighter? How about having enough vapo smoke to last you the entire day? How about tokin inside the movie theater without anybody knowing?

Please bear with me...

IDEA: You get a Volcano vaporizer... others will work, but let's use the Volcano for simplicity.
1. You fill up your Volcano bag with THC vapor...
2. You take a "pressure chamber" (basically, a cylinder), and discharge the THC vapor from the bag INTO that pressure chamber. Now, the pressure chamber is divided into two sections by a piston in the middle. When you discharge the THC vapor into one of the sections, the piston is retracted.
3. You connect the output of this 'THC vapor chamber' to a small nipple - just like the ones used to refill butane lighters. To this nipple, you connect an EMPTY refillable butane lighter.
4. You then proceed to push the piston DOWN from the other side of the cylinder.

You would be pushing all the THC vapor into the lighter. I checked, and the typical Bic Lighter has about 60psi of butane inside. It's a good estimate to shoot for 50psi of THC vapor inside the lighter.

5. Once you've filled up your lighter, you're ready to go! Whenever you want to smoke, just place the lighter on your mouth and press on the valve for a couple of seconds...


PROBLEMS: Will the THC vapor solidify/liquify inside the lighter? Thereby clogging it?
You might need to do a couple of cycles of refilling in order to get the lighter to 50psi.

I eagerly await any and all inputs...

-turtle420 :cool:

[kpxhorangee]

I can't answer any of your questions but that seems like the coolest idea in the world. I don't think I could ever be patient enough to do it though. I'd probably end up taking a hit somewhere between the bag and the pressure chamber.

[HARDDON]

Your fundamental prolem would be the psi would need to be far greater than a bic as you would have failure in making the gas pure THC vapors.

THC vaporizes at what, 212 F? But that is accomlished with air at that temperature being drawn across THC laden material. YOu cannot vaporize THC by contact...it must be done by air at specific temps being drawn across trichomes, and melting them to a gas.

Thus, your cylinder would contain at least 5 or 6 times more O2 than THC vapor.

NOw get around that issue and I will order all you can get some chinese people to make :)

I thinks its great idea...

But one last issue......

The THC, once cooled, will return from a gaseous state to a resinous state. So your cylinder would also have to heat to 212 F to turn again to gas.

Great Idea.

[turtle420]

HARDDON,

Thanks for the input! I'm reading this @ 4am in the morning... I just couldn't sleep thinking about what input you guys had to say.

I'm going to give some brain-power to what you mentioned, and I'll let you know...

Let's see if we can make some Chinese manufactured stuff...

Thanks again for the input!
-turtle420 :cool:

PS: MODERATORS: If you want to move my post to the 'correct' forum, no problem. I posted here because the other forums are kind of chaotic. But now, 4am, when I check, I see a "mushroom" post... WTF? Move this post if you'd like. :)

[turtle420]

kpxhorangee,

LOL!!!!

[Absolut Chronic]

I couldn't be more excited to share my idea... OK! So I had pretty much the same idea... what's portable, small, and easy access to the mouth... CANDY! So you get this pressure chamber to a specific heat at which the THC vaporizes but does not combust, obviously... have a connecting chamber where a piece of hard candy... such as a mint is placed because you could not have the candy in the same chamber at the temp needed to vaporize the THC cuz the chemicals in the candy would combust way before... none-the-less... in your candy chamber... or 'cooling chamber'... the THC vapor is then released into this chamber where it is cooled and condenses on the candy itself... thus forming a condensed layer of THC on the mint... so whenever ur in class or on a bus and wanna get ripped... pop in a mint! And in seconds you'll be higher than ever!! (thought about that idea when I was lit... also... ponder the idea of alcoholic gum... maybe?) Hahaha... thanks for starting this thread turtle!!

[turtle420]

Absolut,

Interesting... I read a FAQ yesterday for making THC pills... Using the gelcaps that are typically available. You would boil your THC mixture (hash, keef, etc.) and after a process, you'd end up with a powder, which you would then proceed to put into the gelcaps.... Whenever you wanted to get high, you pop one of the gelcaps into your mouth and swallow it.... It's an interesting idea.
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The biggest set-back I see for "my" idea is the fact that the THC vapor will probably change from 'vapor', to something more "thick"-- like resin or THC 'oil'.
QUESTION: Anybody have a Volcano vaporizer? How long can you leave the vapor in the bag? Before it, um... soldifies? Does it solidifiy?

Thanks for the input everyone!

Later,
-turtle420 :cool:

[Zandor]

Absolut,

Interesting... I read a FAQ yesterday for making THC pills... Using the gelcaps that are typically available. You would boil your THC mixture (hash, keef, etc.) and after a process, you'd end up with a powder, which you would then proceed to put into the gelcaps.... Whenever you wanted to get high, you pop one of the gelcaps into your mouth and swallow it.... It's an interesting idea.
<<<<>>>>

The biggest set-back I see for "my" idea is the fact that the THC vapor will probably change from 'vapor', to something more "thick"-- like resin or THC 'oil'.
QUESTION: Anybody have a Volcano vaporizer? How long can you leave the vapor in the bag? Before it, um... soldifies? Does it solidifiy?

Thanks for the input everyone!

Later,
-turtle420 :cool:
Turtle we have several new mods here today and one of them is called Ocram. He is a very cool person and he does have a volcano so you can ask him abou it. He hangs in chat a lot of the times look for him there.

[turtle420]

Hmmm.... this is getting very very interesting....

Zandor, I'll look for Ocram... Maybe I can build a quasi-prototype and send him over there for testing.
BobBong, thank you for being true to your name. The bong example made me see the light... I'll think about it some more... if anything comes up, I'll share it here.

Interesting interesting interesting...

-turtle420 :cool:

[BobBong]

Hmmm.... this is getting very very interesting....

Zandor, I'll look for Ocram... Maybe I can build a quasi-prototype and send him over there for testing.
BobBong, thank you for being true to your name. The bong example made me see the light... I'll think about it some more... if anything comes up, I'll share it here.

Interesting interesting interesting...

-turtle420 :cool:

If you wanted to, you could contact Kelly and talk to him about the physics of the idea also. He's the co-founder of the company and knows the machine like the back of his hand.

P.s. although it is on his business card, i still blocked out the cell # for obvious reasons.

[HARDDON]

All you guys remember that ingesting THC is a lot different than smoking it.

I for one cannot stand it. I have done it with meatballs, salads and baked brownies and chicken and WILL NEVER, NEVER NVER NVER do it again.

It induces my panic attacks and the fucking buzz it way to heady for me and lasts 2 days if you over do it.

Last time I did it, I hungto the wife fora day and a half for fear i was gonna die.

NO WAY JOSE for me anymore :)

[BobBong]

All you guys remember that ingesting THC is a lot different than smoking it.

I for one cannot stand it. I have done it with meatballs, salads and baked brownies and chicken and WILL NEVER, NEVER NVER NVER do it again.

It induces my panic attacks and the fucking buzz it way to heady for me and lasts 2 days if you over do it.

Last time I did it, I hungto the wife fora day and a half for fear i was gonna die.

NO WAY JOSE for me anymore :)

Smoking does that to some people, so what's your point? ingesting THC is not that much different from smoking it. The results are just more drawn out sometimes taking up to two hours to take effect. It all comes down to the physics of your body

[misty116]

Absolut,

Interesting... I read a FAQ yesterday for making THC pills... Using the gelcaps that are typically available. You would boil your THC mixture (hash, keef, etc.) and after a process, you'd end up with a powder, which you would then proceed to put into the gelcaps.... Whenever you wanted to get high, you pop one of the gelcaps into your mouth and swallow it.... It's an interesting idea.
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Why bother, why not just fill a gel-cap with little bits of hash? thats the form it comes in when you make brownies isnt it? you crush up some hash into the cake mix? i reckon that would get you high.

As for the portable supply of THC vapour, hmmm....i dont know much about vapourisers but i would assume, that the THC vapour would not remain a gas in the lighter, the vapour comes off at some hot temperature, and it would cool quickly while you were trying to get it into the lighter. If you were lucky and managed to get it in, it would cool inside the lighter and condense to whatever state, especially if it is pressurised.

hmmm... just thinking about a portable vapouriser... bear with me since im not even sure how a proper vapouriser works...

how about some kind of device, imagine a thin metal cylender, the size+shape of a cigarette, unscrews into 3 sections, in the middle section you put some bud, the end section is some kind of element which you would heat with a lighter [hot enough??? maybe one of those storm-lighters...] and the other end that you put in your mouth contains thin passages to cool the vapour so it dosnt burn your lungs. heat the element, take a toke, the hot air vapes the THC, cools in the other end and you inhale! Bingo! portable vapouriser!!! It could even be made to look like a normal cigarette!

Let me know if anyone makes any money from this....

[BobBong]

Why bother, why not just fill a gel-cap with little bits of hash? thats the form it comes in when you make brownies isnt it? you crush up some hash into the cake mix? i reckon that would get you high.


That is not how brownies are made. The hash/pot used for cooking needs to be cooked before hand to get the THC out.. if you remember thc is not water soluble. which means just pouring it into your cake mix isn't going to do squat.

[HARDDON]

That is not how brownies are made. The hash/pot used for cooking needs to be cooked before hand to get the THC out.. if you remember thc is not water soluble. which means just pouring it into your cake mix isn't going to do squat.


Bullshit.

You can cook brownies however you want to. Maybe you dont do it like that, but you cant say :"THAT IS NOT HOW BROWNIES ARE MADE."

I can make brownies how ever I want.

And if you put bare naked fresh weed in the mix and bake it, you will get fucked up. In gelcaps or not.

And my point in my earlier post you questioned was that eating herb can get you fucked up in ways far different than just smoking it.

That was my point.

GOT IT?

[BobBong]

well no shit HD, you can wipe your ass with sandpaper to, doesn't make it a great idea.

you can put cat shit in your soil... doesn't mean it's a going to be a good idea.

you can put birth control pills in your water... doesn't mean you're going to get a female plant...

notice a trend?

You can't tell me that putting raw pot/hash in whatever it is you're baking is the ideal method for cooking with cannabis. Because it's not and you know that. or do you?

You're not always right my friend.. infact sometimes, you're just dead wrong.

[HARDDON]

use sandpaper to wipe ass?
birth control pills in water?????

WTF planet are you on today? Dont put strange foreign objects or words into my mouth.....

Yea I see a trend here.

Don't blame me cuz you got your extra Y chromosome gifted to you.

Yes I am gonna sit here and tell you that you can eat a fucking weed plant raw and get off. WTF is your point?

is there an "OFFICAL GUIDE TO COOKING WITH HERB" by BobBong that I didnt read?

Cook with it however the fuck you want.

Hell you can shove it up your ass if you like....wont get you high....but then not everyone shoves things up their ass for the buzz......

Do they Bob Bong?

[BobBong]

So you're going to tell me that me making cannabutter, then using that cannabutter to make brownies,cake,etc. is going to be the exact same as just dropping whole buds into my brownie mix?

[HARDDON]

No I am not saying that. But I will say dropping whole buds into your brownie mix will result in fucking you up if its good stuff...ABSOLUTELY.

But you are trying to say that there is a 'proper' method for cooking with it.

To me that is like telling someone how to interpret a painting.

I will tell you that I have eaten the stuff raw, cooked, baked, stuffed, ground up and I will never do it again because each and every single time I have done so I have regretted it because the buzz was too intense and fucked me up......

If you ingest it, you are going to absorb the THC present. Cannabutter or raw weed....your body is going to absorb the THC.....

I get a different buzz smoking a joint versus using my vaporizor. Each has its own unique buzz....but that doesnt make one way "PROPER" and the other way "IMPROPER" to smoke herb....

DOES IT? Of course not.

So dont tell misty that shoving it in gel caps is improper use. It isnt "IMPROPER" anymore than those THC vials your uncle gets.

Its simply another delivery method...not IMPROPER use.

[stonerpoet]

It seems like a really good idea, but I'm not 100% convinced it would actully work. At the same time your taking your hit, your also hit the fumes/remanders of the butain.

[misty116]

First the brownies:
jeez, have some sense, theres no reason u cant cook the hash, crumble it, THEN put it in the gel cap.

People should take posts on this site with a little more of a light heart, if you disagree how about not assuming that you are the right one at the 1st moment. Then maybe il agree with you. Which, as it happens i do, whatever you put in the gel-cap will be absorbed by your body [THC-wise anyhoo], hell, you could even put raw bud in the cap.

stonerpoet:
perhaps if you heated the element enough, you could remove the flame before taking the hit, so u just pull air through, it heats up in the element, passes over the weed, picks up the THC vapour, cools a bit in the little passages, then its in your lungs.

to be honest i only thought about it for about 2 minutes anyhow.

HD:
the thing about ingesting weed is that the absorption of THC is close to 100% whereas with a joint, it is maybe half that [dont really know the specifics, but it is a lot less] and that is only from the smoke that enters your lungs, why not try putting just, say, one joints worth into a whole batch of brownies, or even less. I dont know how well known the glastonbury festival is in america but i got this wonderful flapjack there that tasted soooo good, and we just got slighly warm inside, a bit fuzzy u know.

[BobBong]

i never used the word improper

who's putting words in who's mouth now?

Cannabutter or whole buds.. as long as it's heated, you'll get some effect from it.

Eating RAW buds is actually not very good for you. the trichomes are known to irritate the stomach lining. moreso in some people.. not so much in others..

you're pretty arrogant harddon, you always have been. you feel like you know better than just about everyone here.. and that's just sad. So you keep telling people to put cat shit in thier soil.. and to eat raw buds. some of what you say can be taken seriously.. some of it not...people need to learn this stuff on thier own.. not taking the words of a guy that gets a harddon from being arrogant as fact.

[HARDDON]

BB...

You're right...you didnt use the word IMPROPER.....here is what you said:

"That is not how brownies are made. The hash/pot used for cooking needs to be cooked before hand to get the THC out.. if you remember thc is not water soluble. which means just pouring it into your cake mix isn't going to do squat."

How dare I take from the context of your post that you inferred "IMPROPER" usage.

And....more specifically...

"which means just pouring it into your cake mix isn't going to do squat."

is just plain wrong.....
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THC is not water soluable. It is however fat soluable. This means that to penetrate the bloodstream via the glucose polymers, there must be fat lipids present. That is why your cannabutter seems to be so good....any fat lipids will do.

You can find your fat lipids in the meatballs, in the butter, in anything with fat. Once absorbed in to the bloodstream, THC now has to deal with a way to cross the blood brain barrier.

In gaseous or vapor form, this is very easy. However, in matter or solid form, it is much much more difficult.

If you want to maximize the THC transition thru the blood brain barrier, try eating some raw with a couple of fish oil supplements....ideally those high in Omega 3....there you get delivery at maximum levels thru the EPA : DHA ratio of 3:2.

I dont know everything.....never claimed to. Hell even posted one guy I couldnt help with his clone questions cuz I dont have nuff experience to do so.

But I do know you can get high when YOU SAY.... "just pouring it into your cake mix isn't going to do squat."

YOu are the one talking out of your ass. You need to deal with your issues.

I got better things to do than to sit here and argue with fairies.

[BobBong]

yea... just putting buds in your cake mix.. isn't going to do squat.. that's right.

you have to cook it.

[HARDDON]

The hash/pot used for cooking needs to be cooked before hand to get the THC out..

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.

ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR ERROR...REBOOTING......

DISREGARD THIS INFORMATION AS ERRANT DATA POSTED BY BOB BONG.

[BobBong]

when you quote it as a fragmented sentance like that..yea. it looks wrong. Obviously if you just consume raw hash or raw cannabis you're not going to get the same effects as you would if you cooked with it before hand. making it into butter...alcohol...extracting the thc PROPERLY before actually cooking with it. If you overheat it, you lose potency. If you don't heat it enough... you're not extracting as much as you can.. therefore wasting alot of your product.

You're right harddon, you don't know everything. you've acted like you do though..in the past. and i'm sure you will .. again.. act like an arrogant fool.

Cooking with Cannabis (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Cooking+With+Cannabis&btnG=Google+Search&meta=)

Find out for yourself.. how to cook properly with cannabis... don't take my word.. or the word of arrogant fools as fact...Just find out for yourself.

[HARDDON]

If you don't heat it enough... you're not extracting as much as you can.. therefore wasting alot of your product.


ANOTHER ERRANT POST BY MR. BOB BONG.

THC does not need to be heated to be extracted. THC IS SOLVENT EXTRACTED FAR MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN HEAT EXTRACTED.

Alcohol is a prime solvent that requires no heat whatsoever to work.

If you read my oil guide, you will see that alcohol is all that is needed to make oil. The heating of the alcohol only work to evaporate the alcohol.

Sitting in the cold for a few weeks will result in the same product...just a lot longer time to get it.

Let e make this simple so that even a school boy junior could understand...

When ingested into the stomach, the body will secret hydrochloric acid which is nature's best solvent.

Hydrcholoric acid will eat thru metal. It will disolve meat. It will disolve grease. It will disolve most anything orgainically based with an acid pH.

It will certainly dissolve trichomes which is where the THC resides.

Once disolved, it will attach to glucose polymers that bring all components from the small intestine to the bloodstream, including the THC.

Once in the bloodstream, they will attach themselves to lipids present in the blood. These lipids will then circulate the body into 77,000,000,000 (thats 77 trillion) cells.

Once in the cell, they will be stored into the fatty membrance that protects the cellular DNA from damaging substances.

(This is why pot can stay in your system for up to a month or even more for heavy users)

As the THC is transported to all these cells, many will migrate towards the brain...because the brain is made of mostly fat...near 70% in most people, and probably 99% in BobBong's.

Once in the brain, the now converted THC will attached itself to neuron transmitters, but most importantly, neuron receptors.

Once attached to these, they act by "SQUEEZING" or placing a gravity pressure specific force to the neuron trans/recept. It is this squeezing action that creates the misfiring of electrical signals from the receptors and the incomplete and innefficient reception of these elctical signals.

THIS IS WHAT CAUSES the "BUZZ" feeling. It is this squeezing action that causes short term memory loss.

All of the above scenario is completely capable of happening as long as fat is present in the bloodstream.

The more fat in the substance or stomach, the more THC will be absorbed.

THC DOES NOT REQUIRE HEAT OR ANY OTHER TRANFORMING ENVIRONMENTAL STRESS OTHER THAN SOLVENT BASED TO ACT UPON THE BRAIN.

So to be told you have to cook, heat, or in any other way fuck with the temperature to absorb THC through the dietary tract, is pure 100% BULLSHIT.

DO NOT BELIEVE THIS HIPPY LEGEND AS IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

And I will be here everytime to ensure that this type of information that is simply wrong will not go uncorrected.

Whether I am arrogant or not is at this point irrelevant. The Facts are Fact and listening to the tales of a 20 year old nurse who reads a cook book is not always the best source of FACT.

In this case, you can take HARD ON's specific arrogance as FACT.

Enjoy :)

[BobBong]

feel good about yourself now?
rofl.. i never said THC is extracted only by heat.. if you look back i even posted a picture of the alcohol spray's my uncle gets from his local compassion center...thanks for the fat head comment though.. my respect for you and your cat shit advice just dropped beyond the point of no return.

I was arguing that raw cannabis will not get you that "fucked up" and infact can cause some people to get sick. THC needs to be extracted by "solvent", alcohol or heat. this is why we cook with cannabis.. and smoke it too. You're full of yourself man.. you always have been..and assholes like you .. always will be.

Like I said before.. people need to learn it for themselves, because there's alot of people spouting bull and cat shit out here.

[BobBong]

ANOTHER ERRANT POST BY MR. BOB BONG.

THC does not need to be heated to be extracted. THC IS SOLVENT EXTRACTED FAR MORE EFFICIENTLY THAN HEAT EXTRACTED.

Alcohol is a prime solvent that requires no heat whatsoever to work.

If you read my oil guide, you will see that alcohol is all that is needed to make oil. The heating of the alcohol only work to evaporate the alcohol.

Sitting in the cold for a few weeks will result in the same product...just a lot longer time to get it.

Let e make this simple so that even a school boy junior could understand...

When ingested into the stomach, the body will secret hydrochloric acid which is nature's best solvent.

Hydrcholoric acid will eat thru metal. It will disolve meat. It will disolve grease. It will disolve most anything orgainically based with an acid pH.

It will certainly dissolve trichomes which is where the THC resides.

Once disolved, it will attach to glucose polymers that bring all components from the small intestine to the bloodstream, including the THC.

Once in the bloodstream, they will attach themselves to lipids present in the blood. These lipids will then circulate the body into 77,000,000,000 (thats 77 trillion) cells.

Once in the cell, they will be stored into the fatty membrance that protects the cellular DNA from damaging substances.

(This is why pot can stay in your system for up to a month or even more for heavy users)

As the THC is transported to all these cells, many will migrate towards the brain...because the brain is made of mostly fat...near 70% in most people, and probably 99% in BobBong's.

Once in the brain, the now converted THC will attached itself to neuron transmitters, but most importantly, neuron receptors.

Once attached to these, they act by "SQUEEZING" or placing a gravity pressure specific force to the neuron trans/recept. It is this squeezing action that creates the misfiring of electrical signals from the receptors and the incomplete and innefficient reception of these elctical signals.

THIS IS WHAT CAUSES the "BUZZ" feeling. It is this squeezing action that causes short term memory loss.

All of the above scenario is completely capable of happening as long as fat is present in the bloodstream.

The more fat in the substance or stomach, the more THC will be absorbed.

THC DOES NOT REQUIRE HEAT OR ANY OTHER TRANFORMING ENVIRONMENTAL STRESS OTHER THAN SOLVENT BASED TO ACT UPON THE BRAIN.

So to be told you have to cook, heat, or in any other way fuck with the temperature to absorb THC through the dietary tract, is pure 100% BULLSHIT.

DO NOT BELIEVE THIS HIPPY LEGEND AS IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

And I will be here everytime to ensure that this type of information that is simply wrong will not go uncorrected.

Whether I am arrogant or not is at this point irrelevant. The Facts are Fact and listening to the tales of a 20 year old nurse who reads a cook book is not always the best source of FACT.

In this case, you can take HARD ON's specific arrogance as FACT.

Enjoy :)

Facts usually come with proof.. please.. prove this.

[BobBong]

you really know how to twist words around.. it's amazing.. you twist and twist until it looks right to you.

Where do you get the idea that i'm a nurse? what does heat have anything to do with brain chemisty? we're talking about making the THC compound active before putting it into your body.

Eating raw bud, will not get you nearly as high as it would if you smoked or cooked with it..

Taking anything you say as fact is like stabbing yourself in the brain with a pitchfork...

[HARDDON]

Oh yes you did say THC needs to be heated....


""That is not how brownies are made. The hash/pot used for cooking needs to be cooked before hand to get the THC out.. if you remember thc is not water soluble. which means just pouring it into your cake mix isn't going to do squat.""


""Cannabutter or whole buds.. as long as it's heated, you'll get some effect from it. ""

Learn to read your own posts.


Facts usually come with proof.. please.. prove this.

I spent 4 years in pre-med learning this. I have a PhD in nutritional biology. You want proof?

Go to school and learn something besides nursing and staying in touch with your masculine side even though you dont know if it exists.

Get off my ass...I'm hetero....all the way....

Come to think of it, that might be your problem with me.

[BobBong]

As opposed to eating it raw? ya.. it should be heated.. you need to do something with it to get any kind of proper effect out of it. not just consuming raw marijuana or hash.

I really like how you brought the who sexuality thing into this though...very mature.

I guess it just goes to show that you can spend 4 years in "pre-med" school,fill your head up with hot air and still act like a child on a forum board..

[HARDDON]

Yes and what a great life and board it is :)